yes jack is back wit full force..mod pls fp?

gbokukueba:

I know your type. Its people like you that started saying getting a sim and phone is not the issue its buying credit that is the issue and you have graduated into buying a car is not the issue but maintaining the car.

You mentioned having a second job that brings you income outside salary... who says you cant maintain a car on your salary if it is adequate? Am sure you will prefare to live in your own house at baruwa and working on the island rather than rent a house at Gbagada which will be close to work...

You better enjoy your life... Life is too short for iranu!!!

hahahahah..indeed..now i know ur kind of person..no wonder only 10% of d world's population are wealthy while 90% of ur kind r strugglin wit unnecessary expenses just 2 show off and tink u can rub shoulders wit d rich..now i know y u may neva gain wealth because U c money wit d eyes of an employee..expenses,more expenses,liabilities,more liabilities..smh..kep being a slave 4 dat company and hope it doesnt encounter any downsizing soon..na dere ur eye go shine..just hope it wont b 2 late 4 U..lol

okpara ugo: Childish question.

Is owning 3 cars a sign of success NO!!!

Building a house isnt even a sign of success. One can still do all these things yet without constant cashflow and he isnt successful at least financially.

tanks bruv..d bolded is wat most people lack wen dey acquire a liability...

Emmadani: I beta buy a land n gain extra money 4rm d sale than buy a car n waste/loss extra money on it...U dnt need a car when u are nof financially stable...Sum pple go just win lotto/baba ijebu carry d money buy car in the next 2 month landlord go kum knock at ur door...I beta build ma huz n ride a bicycle or keke napep than buy a car worth millions then continue to pay huz rent...If ma girlfrnd no like am like dat make she go sleep joor,galz to like car.

now dats d positive mentality am talkin about..knowin d difference btw an asset and a liability is d key 2 financial freedom and gr8 wealth...thumbs Up!

coonz: You guys are talking of car maintenance like its one big deal. What kind of car are you driving? Well, my car hasn't been to the mechanic since january. Car can be a necessity and also a luxury, it depends on the type you own. The yellow buses in Lagos is alone a reason for one to own a car, if you don't have one, what's your reason?? Its either you love the treatment in the yellow buses or you can't afford one presently.

ohh..am sory..mayb u didnt get my drift..apart 4rm d maintenance part,dere r oda huge expenses associated wit it like minor accidents,changn of parts,(fuellin Ur car,sumtims on a weekly basis)etc..so wat U need is an xtra income 2 take care of such..it doesnt require a specific car 2 prove dat U r wealthy or successful but hvn various businesses or companies(assets) dat provides U wit excess or unlimited CASH 2 facilitate ur luxuries like expensive cars,is required..

Freiburger:
Mind helping me out with some of them?

ohh sure...if U hv several businesses or a business dat produce excess income 4 U 2 take care of ur expenses or debts(in dis case,d maintenance of ur cars,houses and oda luxuries dat incur huge expenses)...but U know success means different tins 2 different people dependin on dere mentality and aspirations in life..so wats urs?

gbokukueba:

Poverty thinking...

hahahahaha..i tink it sud b d oda way round..dont U tink so..y buy a car wen U dont have d means 2 maintain it..U sud now know who has d poverty tinkn(or may i say poor mentality)..hehehe!

Freiburger: Is there any particular yardstick for measuring success?

yap..so many

lonelydora: Buying a car is a neccesity. Buying a certain type of car(Performance Vehilces) is a sign of success.

Wrong..having an avenue dat takes care of d huge expenses of buyin a car or anyoda necessities like a house is a sign of success..witout several sources of income,U may find urself incurrin unnecessary expenses and into more debt!

..buying a car only gets U more expenses(car fuel,car maintenance,etc)..if U need 2 get a car as a necessity,den U must have d resources(an avenue dat generates income outside ur usual job) 2 meet a car's everyday challenges inspite of its obvious comfort!

Image123:
i never hinted that i was giving unwillingly, did i?

hmm...whatever...suit urself!

christemmbassey: how i go kill my senior pastor! If e no fit learn trade because of im age, make im follow write those stale books, sell cd/tapes and sell 'mantles' like im mate, even bible say make lazy man no chop. Be bless my bros.

i dey laugh..lol..staY blessed!

Image123:
i guess you mean to say verse 3 not 5? The One that is witnessed to be alive is Jesus our Lord. Compare with other scriptures and with passages in a reference Bible. Also. see,
Hebrews 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Then this your verse 1-12 demarcation get as he be oh. Most of your friends think the whole chapter talks of tithe especially v18, this your 1-12 cut is new oh.

d bolded says it all..wat more proof do U need?..my broda,just give WILLINGLY FROM UR HEART 2 EVERYONE includin ur ministers or leaders of d gospel,D POOR,D NEEDY,etc..God bless U..

christemmbassey:

The bible says we should give to God also.
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him." Mark 12:17 KJV. which naira note carry the image of Jesus? Oga go and learn handwork or do business, Paul worked. Nobody says we should not give to church or pastor, what we are saying is that the death of Jesus had put a stop to payment of tithe, even the modern jews dont pay tithe, Jesus did not collect tithe, Peter, John, paul etc etc did not, you that is collecting whose example are you following? God bless.

hahahaha ...U wan kill am?

Goshen360:

Commandment is different from principles! This is very clear from scriptures. That's why I said again and again, you're going beyond what is written. There's nowhere in the word of God tithe\tithing was referred to as PRINCIPLES you people always hide behind, it was a COMMANDMENT. Also, EVERYWHERE the subject or commandment of tithe\tithing was given in scriptures, that word 'tithe' all surfaced, both in the OT and NT. E.g Matthew 23:23. You're insulting Christ by insinuating that he forgot to use the word 'tithe' when he commanded that those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel. One thing you MUST do is, if it (tithe\tithing) was a principle, then show us scriptures instead where COMMANDMENT changed to PRINCIPLE or you show us from scriptures how COMMANDMENT is the SAME AS PRINCIPLES. Then we will look at it. Otherwise, you're going beyond what is written!



If you're disputing this, then why don't leave it as it is. Don't you know the Christian giving is different to Mosaic tithing? Tithe\tithing is a function of commandment whether the one that is commanded likes it or not but Christian giving is as a man purpose in his heart, not according to commandment. Lemme me show you that from scripture,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Corinthians 9:7

That word, NOT of NECESSITY is the Greek word anagkē and it means: 1) necessity, imposed either by the circumstances, or by law of duty regarding to one's advantage, custom, argument. 2) calamity, distress, straits.

Tithing is a commandment BY THE LAW and Paul, the Apostle says, Christians giving should NOT be of necessity. That is, it should not be by 1) imposed either by the circumstances, or by law of duty regarding to one's advantage, custom, argument. Tithing is a Jewish CUSTOM and it is BY LAW a COMMANDMENT. Jesus and His Apostles that wrote the whole of the New Testament NEVER taught tithing to Christians. Why are you suggestion it?



This is been tricky! You CANNOT PROVIDE FROM SCRIPTURES SPECIFICALLY THAT TITHE WERE GIVEN? This is the least I expected from you. If you cannot show from specific scriptures, then why show or insinuate or suggest tithe for New Testament Christians? Everywhere tithe is commanded, it was specifically mentioned. Hebrews 7 then dis-annulled the tithing ordinances and commandment. We have also showed you many scriptures that tithe was NOT taught to New Testament Christians but you on the other hand CANNOT show specific scriptures that tithe were given, what then is your basis for argument? You just want to argue because Alwaystrue said so to you or what?



It is natural to give but it is not natural to be legalistic in giving. It is required by law of countries for their citizens to pay taxes but it is not a law for people to give to others. In other words, people give naturally not because they are following a law of giving. Tithing is a LAW that is COMMANDED. If you can't understand this, then you need to go back into the Mosaic law and understand what tithe is. Whether they like or not, they MUST tithe. Besides, not all who live in Israel were commanded to tithe, only those that produced crops and rear animals. Others were not commanded to tithe.

tanks 4 observing dat..tot i was the only one who took notice of his frequent movement like a clock ,its obvious dat he is going beyond wat is written in the scriptures and trying so hard(possibly in vain) to instil dat word 'TITHE' in the new testament scriptures..guess dats d reason y i stopped answering him..thank U lord jesus!

Goshen360:

Commandment is different from principles! This is very clear from scriptures. That's why I said again and again, you're going beyond what is written. There's nowhere in the word of God tithe\tithing was referred to as PRINCIPLES you people always hide behind, it was a COMMANDMENT. Also, EVERYWHERE the subject or commandment of tithe\tithing was given in scriptures, that word 'tithe' all surfaced, both in the OT and NT. E.g Matthew 23:23. You're insulting Christ by insinuating that he forgot to use the word 'tithe' when he commanded that those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel. One thing you MUST do is, if it (tithe\tithing) was a principle, then show us scriptures instead where COMMANDMENT changed to PRINCIPLE or you show us from scriptures how COMMANDMENT is the SAME AS PRINCIPLES. Then we will look at it. Otherwise, you're going beyond what is written!



If you're disputing this, then why don't leave it as it is. Don't you know the Christian giving is different to Mosaic tithing? Tithe\tithing is a function of commandment whether the one that is commanded likes it or not but Christian giving is as a man purpose in his heart, not according to commandment. Lemme me show you that from scripture,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Corinthians 9:7

That word, NOT of NECESSITY is the Greek word anagkē and it means: 1) necessity, imposed either by the circumstances, or by law of duty regarding to one's advantage, custom, argument. 2) calamity, distress, straits.

Tithing is a commandment BY THE LAW and Paul, the Apostle says, Christians giving should NOT be of necessity. That is, it should not be by 1) imposed either by the circumstances, or by law of duty regarding to one's advantage, custom, argument. Tithing is a Jewish CUSTOM and it is BY LAW a COMMANDMENT. Jesus and His Apostles that wrote the whole of the New Testament NEVER taught tithing to Christians. Why are you suggestion it?



This is been tricky! You CANNOT PROVIDE FROM SCRIPTURES SPECIFICALLY THAT TITHE WERE GIVEN? This is the least I expected from you. If you cannot show from specific scriptures, then why show or insinuate or suggest tithe for New Testament Christians? Everywhere tithe is commanded, it was specifically mentioned. Hebrews 7 then dis-annulled the tithing ordinances and commandment. We have also showed you many scriptures that tithe was NOT taught to New Testament Christians but you on the other hand CANNOT show specific scriptures that tithe were given, what then is your basis for argument? You just want to argue because Alwaystrue said so to you or what?



It is natural to give but it is not natural to be legalistic in giving. It is required by law of countries for their citizens to pay taxes but it is not a law for people to give to others. In other words, people give naturally not because they are following a law of giving. Tithing is a LAW that is COMMANDED. If you can't understand this, then you need to go back into the Mosaic law and understand what tithe is. Whether they like or not, they MUST tithe. Besides, not all who live in Israel were commanded to tithe, only those that produced crops and rear animals. Others were not commanded to tithe.

tanks 4 observing dat..tot i was the only one who took notice of his frequent movement like a clock ,its obvious dat he is going beyond wat is written in the scriptures and trying so hard(possibly in vain) to instil dat word 'TITHE' in the new testament scriptures..guess dats d reason y i stopped answering him..thank U lord jesus!

christemmbassey: but you said "the new testament does not require a tithe", well i am a priest(rev1:6, 2Peter2:9) and priests dont pay tithe,. Take my advice and learn a trade. God bless.

lol..bros watch it oh..no jabs ok?..but U funny..lol

Zikkyy: Just in case you pretend not to know what law am talking about, i meant the mosaic law



The law (mosaic) does not contain explanations, it is a list of do'and don'ts with rewards and blessings for obedience and disobedience. If you explanation refer to Christ and the apostle's teachings joor ....and for the abnormal behavior, what you need is a psychiatrist



The law already written in your heart, use it! abi you don delete your own? i don't see why you should be running to the library to read about how you behave. If you have to open a book to understand why you slapped a police officer yesterday, my brother that book will not solve your problem. you will need counselling




The reason i added 'should' in your post, but you said i was wrong, your post stated that the law was "a description of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion". If as a Christian you are already behaving like that by 'nature', why you dey open book again? unless you are not yet a Christian, abi?

lol..wat if d buk gets missin or burnt,na suicide ohh..i dey laugh..lol

Ihedinobi:

Now, where exactly did I insult you in that post? I insist on an answer, sir. Please point out exactly where I insulted you.

due largely 2 new rules by seun,i dont intend derailin dis thread by gettin involved in such a meaningless argument wit U..i guess,if i address U as an 'unreasonable dude',i wont b out of order..abi..lol..well,bk 2 d main issue,i tink U hv chosen Ur path 2 wat U believe in & dats d same wit me though wit scriptural backin..lol..enjoy d thread!

Ihedinobi:



It does appear that you do not understand what I did, my friend. You made an unreasonable demand of me and to show you the unreasonableness of it, I made its like of you and put my honor on the line.

Now, I have made you a promise. I will give you what you demanded of me if you can give me its like. Until you can, my friend, I have nothing more to say to you.

lol..so it has now turned into an insult..i always tot dats d path U mite take..lol..SO BE IT BRUV..guess U dont hv anytin 2 say..funny guy!

MostHigh:

I do not think

I know

These are the words of the master Yashua Ibn Joseph

wateva bruv..and ur point is?

Ihedinobi: ^^ Allow me to encourage you to read posts in their entirety and note what, if anything, they may be responding to.

clearly bruv,U r d one dodgin issues..how can such a question b so HARD for U 2 prove..smh

Ihedinobi: ^^ Fair's fair, my friend. I have not dodged your question, I merely put it in perspective. Next play's yours.

not fair enuf bruv..i askd U first..except U r not sure of wat U know..*winks*

Image123: one fellow is waking up in the middle of the night depressed about tithe, the other is complaining that his name is Pastor and not 'pastor'. What's wrong with these people? i'd advice Ihedinobi and mko2005 not to EXERT too much time or energy on this issue, the folks you're addressing are not interested in what you say.
foreknowledge

God help us all.

smh...

samtoye: I have read with interest the various arguments raised here so i say to each man his conviction. The Gospel of the new testament is premised on FREEDOM from ALL Rites,Rituals and Traditional Obligation. Gal 5:1-6. It is not a sin to obey the law of Moses concerning doctrines and ordinance but you cannot be selective of what to obey or not, he who must follow the law of tithing must also obey all other laws including the law of sabbath etc. Also he who observes it should not make it as a law unto others neither should he enforce as doctrine nor use it as basis of judgement of holiness.

My question now is if we insist on obeying the laws where have you placed "GRACE" or do we practice selective application of Grace? The doctrine of Grace nullifies all physical obligatory requirement to qualify for God's Love, Salvation and Blessings. Lets study to show ourselves a workman of God and don't allow men that have made their stomach their god to add burden that Christ had delivered us from. (2 Tim 2:15)

To the Advocates of NO TITHES

It is clearly shown that the act of giving is divine, encouraged by the bible and has reward
2 Corinthians 9:6-15

The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work. As it is written, “He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever.” He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness. ...

Shalom


Passages about freedom in Christ

John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
John 8:36- So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Acts 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
Romans 8:15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to son-ship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father”.
1 Corinthians 16:13- Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 11:20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face.
Galatians 2:4- This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
Galatians 4:31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Galatians 5:13- You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.

i totally agree wit dis...+100000 likes

christemmbassey: When Jesus was on earth he did not collect tithe, now that he is in heaven you ppl say he needs naira, pls what does he want to do with the naira in heaven? To buy long span to roof ur own mansion?

u gat jokes bruv..lol..

Zikkyy:

Ihedinobi na wa for o! you don turn Jesus to tithe collector because you want to justify your tithing scheme

hahahaha..i dey laugh..

m.k.o2005:

There are so many laws that were carried from the old to the new testament. But that isn't the topic for now but if you care,i can still list them for you !It was not just love that was carried from the old to the new but Christ summed up all laws of the new testament proper in love ! And now i ask you,if you agree that love is indeed one of the laws that we can find in the new and the old testament,why not allow me who intends to pay my tithe for the furtherance of the gospel to keep doing it out of the love i have for God,HIS word and HIS work !Do i pay my tithe to church of satan ? I pay to d church of God !
I ask you this question,' DO YOU LOVE GOD' ? If you do,stop persecuting HIM !
God help us

let me get U clearly,u said d reason U tithe is out of love 4 God and 2 further d gospel of christ..cant dat b DONE witout holdin on to an obligatory regulation(tithe) dat forces U 2 give a specified amount rada dan Freely giving..it can stil b done witout being a slave 2 an obsolete law..study paul's instruction 2 d corinthians about Generosity in 2corinthians 9:7..!

Ihedinobi:

I should also point out that by the above, brilapluz was indulging in escapism/legalism in his/her demand of me...which is pretty much what I intended to show with my reply.

hahahahaha..and U tink U r not guilty of escapism/legalism rite?

Ihedinobi:

Ok then. I agree that I will do so...but under one condition: that you show me Scriptures that say exactly not implicitly that tithes have been abolished and that they are not to be given to those who minister to us in spiritual things.

lol..kai..Sory 4 takin so long in respondin U r preconditional demands..just 2 provide scriptures dat prove,explicitly,dat TITHES r now 2 b received by minsters of d gospel/pastors/bishops has also turned 2 a precondition or law(hope say 'curses' r not attached 2 it..lol)..U r even d one dodgin my question cos i asked U first..so let me hear 4rm U and i wil provide mine freely witout preconditions..do we have a deal?

Ihedinobi:

Let me understand you, bro. You're asking me to produce Scriptures that say exactly that "those who minister spiritually to the saints under the New Covenant are now the ones to receive the tithes of the Lord's House instead of the Levites who did under the Old Covenant", right? You want those exact words, not words that can be interpreted to mean that, but words that say that exactly, am I right?

yes sir and dis must b 4rm d new order of tins..specific pls 4rm d grace-based scriptures not d law of moses(levites)..hope U get my drift? Tanx and God bless U!

excellence13:

Case closed, your agenda is to get rich. Whereas Christ wants us to give all we have to the poor and follow him. If I might add, I live in a society where the pensioners drive the best cars, live decently and their churches don't collect tithe.

The gospel of tithing only thrives in Nigeria because people are anxious/fearful of the future. In a country where people work honestly and diligently in their youth, only to live in misery at old age. Hence creating an avenue ,where the preaching of tithing is a form of insurance for future riches.

You deserve to be deceived, if you don't study the word of God diligently. It is not surprising, that in a country where very few homes even have neither toolboxes nor first aid kit, people don't embrace DIY (Do it yourself. We depend on others to interpret the bible for us.

Ever wondered why Christ taught us to ask for daily bread, not monthly, yearly or future bread?

lol..