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Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Well if it's God watching over you Catholic's and not men-then why have you been praying to Mary-for the saints to watch, over you? And plus what the names of these Saints? Are they the apostles-or are they saints the Catholic Catholic made saints?
You shouldn't be asking me Who made me a watchmen, you should be happy I am the one that yells from the house tops spreading His message across the land, a watchmen's job isn't to watch over you-I am here to warn you.
Which I have been doing for how long-I have been warning you to turn your ways back to the bible-which of course you have refused to do so.
I have been spreading the good news across the valley-you must become a born again believer-before you can enter into the kingdom of God.
Which of course you have refused to do this also.
emmanuelex1:
Who made you watchmen? Please God watches over me and other Catholics not men.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:48pm On Jul 13, 2017
You should know by now Uben-How long has it been-and still you haven't produced any evidence, about your beliefs-can you find any of it, written in the bible?.
And how can I understand if you aren't willing to explain-why you ask Mary to glide you-and why ask Mary to give you the saints to pray for you? when we have Jesus to pray for us? {John 17:20-23}
Ubenedictus:
Romans 10:17 NKJV - So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Acts 8:31 31 And he said, How can I (understand), except some man should explains it to me?

His advice is apt. If you lack understanding of the biblical principle behind catholic practices and it seems we on nairaland are unable to help you, then i advise u to see a priest someone qualified to explain the biblical principles and its applications.
Or u may check
[url]forums.catholic.com[/url]
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:32pm On Jul 13, 2017
How can I learn something-when you know yourself it is unscriptural?
Ubenedictus:
You should know by now he isnt interested in learning, that is why everyone allows him to keep talk, his forte is baseless accusation.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Well you can call me anything you like-I am used to your abuse-I can only expect the worst from a Catholic, to be honest nothing nice said-would come from any of you, not on this forum anyway.
Even the Atheist-rebuke the Word of God-you aren't any different to the world-the world knows their own, Jesus also had problems 'such as these-with the Pharisees, He had warned us about them-He said: we will know them, by their fruit.
And we know you-by your fruits.
Every time the Word of God is mentioned, and every time we speak it out-you all seem to get yourselves all worked up-over nothing.
Of course we know the reasons why, none of you know the truth about Christ.
Your teachings aren't right, nor is it teachings from the bible-the Catholic's believe in a completely different doctrine-you call yourselves believers, but your goddess, isn't that same God, we born again Christians believe.
Lets face it, the Jw's, the Mormons-the Seven day Adventist, aren't any different to the Catholic's, who can only practice their religion on the dark side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIcvGAf9bFo
emmanuelex1:
Thanks Mr double standard
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:18pm On Jul 12, 2017
It doesn't matter which Church rapes young Children-what matters not only the Catholic Church is involved in this sort of behaviour-it's spreading-plus if you had read up about this man fully, he was raped as a young child by a priest.
Which is quite sad-he had continual his walk-from a victim, to become the abuser.
emmanuelex1:
Since you once insulted Catholic Priest in Vatican enjoy this news http://www.blackberrybabes.com/2017/07/us-based-nigerian-pastor-gets-15-years.html
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:10pm On Jul 12, 2017
I am happy for you.
emmanuelex1:
Thanks I have my answer already
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:08pm On Jul 12, 2017
I am only replying, what you have written-you said you ask Mary for which popular saint to pray for you?
You had agreed you ask Mary-in other words you pray to Mary, asking her for directions, for which saint.
Most believers in Christ ask the Lord directly for Him to pray for them-Why not ask the Lord to pray for you-listen to what the lord say's in
{John 17:20-21} I am not asking on behalf of them alone-but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me, through their message, that all of them may be one, as you, Father, are in Me, and I am, in You, may they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that you sent Me.
This is the prayer you should be asking from the Lord, Jesus pray's for our faith.
Mary nor the saints, can not do, what Jesus can do.
emmanuelex1:
Continue the twist. i guess you are seeking from page
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:49pm On Jul 12, 2017
"No you asked me what Church I worshipped last Sunday-as I had said I don't need to wait until Sunday to worship the Lord, I can worship Him everyday of the week-meaning who needs a Church building to worship.
Plus I can't remember Last Sunday, half day's I spend time on the net-sharing the Word of God.
emmanuelex1:
Face the question and stop diverting, even if you are worshiping now I do not care, I asked where did you worship last sunday?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:43pm On Jul 12, 2017
"No I haven't finished my race yet-I am still running my race.
And when you ask Mary which popular saint to pray for you-then this proves you don't only honor Mary, but you pray to Mary-for directions.
emmanuelex1:
May you finish your race not me, but if you meant arguing it means probably they so you as being ignorant. Point of correction we ask Mary which is the most popular saint to pray for us.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:37pm On Jul 12, 2017
"No it isn't my problem-it is your problem-if you refuse bible teachings.
Remain a Catholic if you wish-but the word of God say's one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
It's your choice, if you refuse to become a born again believer-then it's your choice where you would rather spend eternity.
emmanuelex1:
HRM, you must think this a interview session.? I am a Catholic and will remain one, I Worship God and then honor Mary, if you do not like it that is your headache.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:27pm On Jul 12, 2017
I don't need to wait until Sunday to worship anybody-I am happy to worship the Lord everyday of the week.
emmanuelex1:
Where did you worship last sunday? I mean which church?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:23pm On Jul 12, 2017
You haven't explained enough-you haven't told me why you believe you need to pray to Mary and the saints, those already in Heaven-why not pray for those who aren't in heaven-we are the ones that need it most.
Mary and the rest-have finish their race-now its up to us to finish ours.
emmanuelex1:
I have explained to you enough what we Catholics do but you do not want to understand. Probably you searching for the lies you pastor told which I do not have.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
To understand praying for the Living-is one thing-but praying for the living in heaven is another-they are already with the Lord, so why pray to them. Shouldn't the Catholic's be praying "for" them-instead of praying "to" them-even that sounds silly, when they have already finish the race.
Isn't this the Lord's job is pray for us on Earth {John 17:20-23} and doesn't the Lord asked us to pray to Him the Father.
If you truly believe-firstly you would do what the Lord asked us to do-pray for one another, who "aren't" in Heaven-become a born again, Mary and the apostles done just that-they obeyed the Lord and His commands, why do we need to pray to the saints who are already in heaven, wouldn't it be better if you had a direct line into Heaven, This is why the Lord asked us to become born again Christians, Becoming a born again Christian we have that direct line straight to God-we don't need to pray to the saints, to retrieve answers, we need the answers straight from God, we are already connected, Jesus said He will send us the Holy Spirit to teach us all things-if this is the case, then we are Spirit filled believers, connect to the Godhead in Spirit.
Doesn't this mean anything to the Catholic's?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:53am On Jul 12, 2017
So does this mean-I am only retrieving half baked knowledge from you-because you can't answer the questions asked by me, you do believe in Catholicism don't you?
For how long have you believed?
It's quite strange for someone like you-that believes-and yet you haven't got the answers ready to tell somebody like myself, you haven't any knowledge to pass on about your beliefs, so what good are you, believing in something when you don't really know anything about it?
emmanuelex1:
What is in your topic? I have told you Catholics worship God, believe in the Holy trinity and honor Mary. So what do you want me to do? you can not learn everything online, please kindly visit a Catholic church to learn. You want to continue masturbating on your half baked knowledge about Catholics? To effectively criticize and convince someone you need real knowledge not half baked.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:38am On Jul 12, 2017
Thank you.
emmanuelex1:
You are entitle to your thoughts and way of reasoning.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:38am On Jul 12, 2017
You sure do..
emmanuelex1:
I am sorry I can not help yout ignorance but we Catholic know who we serve?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:34am On Jul 12, 2017
This is true-which is another lie told by the Church. People are searching for the cash flow-which of course is a problem within.
But their is a lot of us people-who don't go for this kind of teachings-because we know it is false.
emmanuelex1:
Some are searching for Financial prosperity and Miracles.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Another lie bites the dust-the Catholic's uses Mary as their mediator-it is no-good lying about your beliefs, Mary is used in the Catholic Church so she can bring you all to safely.
The dead can not pray for us-God is the God of the living-He isn't the God of the dead.
You are mistaken-about who you truly believe in, I don't ask my dead love ones to pray for me-I ask the living to pray for me, your beliefs is not written in the bible.
We agree Mary's alive in Heaven-with the apostles-but when we pray, we pray directly to the Father in heaven, I don't ask everybody else, only because Jesus said pray to the Father in my room, plus their is no other scripture that tells me to pray directly to Mary-the bible had never interpreted me to do so.
You say you pray to Mary-for what reason-Mary is not part of the Trinity Godhead-and if you truly believe in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit-then why don't you focus on praying to them? The bible tells you to pray to them.
Have you through you may be praying to Satan's demons-because Jesus did say you need to pray to the Father, He didn't say pray to everybody else-"you can pray "for" somebody else"-but don't pray "to" everybody else, who aren't part of the Godhead, you say you read the bible, these are the questions everyone should ask a Catholic believer, this is the sort of information you should know, no-one other then the Catholic's pray to Mary and the dead saints..
How would your prayers be answered, by God Himself, if you continual to pray to Mary, "No" you don't just honor Mary you actually pray to her, she was only human-so why would anybody want to pray through her?
emmanuelex1:
Jesus is our God, Mary is not our Mediator, but we honor Mary because we believe she can also pray for us. When we say Mary pray for us is just like telling a holy pastor to pray for you. Catholics say MARY pray us, ST Andrew pray for us etc, but ask your self why do Catholics not say Jesus or St Jesus pray for us. See you know nothing about Catholics all you do is assume. We believe in the Holy Trinity, God the Father, Son and Holy spirit. I hope you get satisfied now.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:42am On Jul 12, 2017
I do believe they don't teach people to molest Children-but those who do-there is no tougher penalty for them to stop doing it.
Most of them hide behind the Vatican, which of course they have there own laws to protect the abusers.
As I have mentioned before I wasn't one of the ones who were molested, but I do know plenty who were, and have to wear the scares for life, while the Church protects their own.
These cases-are usually forwarded towards another Child, once the victim, now the abuser, towards the innocent.
But to see this sort of abuse coming out from amongst the Church-it really limits God-and His love towards us all.
Many don't come to Christ-because His name had been abused-by the power of the Church.
Ubenedictus:
lol

If you have read my posts here you would have known that I have no problem agreeing that for about 2000yrs men and women of God have committed horrible crimes while hiding behind the church. There is a difference between a "a man or woman of the cloth" committing sin and the church.

Catholicism doesn't teach people to molest children or steal children or participate in a government policy that steals children. The church didn't steal any child nor did it molest any child in fact such actions are considered sinful and prohibited for Catholics and yet we have unfortunate, tragic cases where people who should know better involve themselves in such cases.


If you were molested then I sympathize with you and I advise you to take legal action to make sure the perpetrators get prison term.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:10am On Jul 12, 2017
AOG means Assembly of God-this is one Church I had attended some time ago, but now-I don't have a Church I can call home.
emmanuelex1:
Ignorance is truly a disease, Catholics leave to other Churches, Catholics gain new members also, is just like some Christians leave Christianity to Islam while some muslims leave Islam to Christianity. We Catholics do not drag members like other Churches(business enterprise) do. Please Iif do not message again if you can not bury your shame and tell me the full name of your church.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:06am On Jul 12, 2017
Ask yourself why are they leaving?
Is it because they aren't receiving."Truth"
emmanuelex1:
Ignorance is truly a disease, Catholics leave to other Churches, Catholics gain new members also, is just like some Christians leave Christianity to Islam while some muslims leave Islam to Christianity. We Catholics do not drag members like other Churches(business enterprise) do. Please Iif do not message again if you can not bury your shame and tell me the full name of your church.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:04am On Jul 12, 2017
I am not trying to win your soul-Just read your bible-and show yourself where the Catholic's get the idea-you must pray the Rosaries-pray to dead saints-build images of above and below, show yourself where in the bible does it say-you must pray to Mary for your own personal guidance, prove to yourself, who's lying "the Word of God which is the bible, or the Catholic Church" who is your mediator. Mary or Jesus.
emmanuelex1:
You are funny indeed, trust me you are. You can not even win a soul for God this way.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:49am On Jul 12, 2017
The question you should be asking is why, are people leaving your Church, is it because people have found the truth else where?
Maybe because your Church isn't preaching, what it should be teaching?
So your population of Catholic's are people without any knowledge-so at least we have this worked out.
But don't worry we also have people walking away from our Churches too.
These are people who haven't an interest about their future. They believe life ends here.
emmanuelex1:
Many have left yet the population in Catholics is till to much. Your church population all over the world can not be compared to Catholic population in south east alone.Thanks you have no gist. I do not think you are worth my replies.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:40am On Jul 12, 2017
This upsets you-believing your Church is above all other Churches-But to be honest-people who call themselves Catholic's are not Catholic-its only the name that carries them through life.
Many people only use the term Catholic because they either were baptised as one-but deep down-none have walked into a Catholic Church since birth.
Which doesn't count-you believing there are more Catholic's then the rest of the other believers, the bible strictly tell us, one must be born again before He/She can enter into the kingdom of God.
And Catholic's aren't born again Christians, you all have your own beliefs that doesn't line up with the bible.
Are you truly God's people? My answer to this question is "No" There is no evidence to prove the Catholic's are God's people, plus you use another doctrine, one that doesn't line up with the Word.
emmanuelex1:
Many have left yet the population in Catholics is till to much. Your church population all over the world can not be compared to Catholic population in south east alone.Thanks you have no gist. I do not think you are worth my replies.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:20am On Jul 12, 2017
I am not asking for an invite to your Church-all Catholic Churches are the same-nothing is different from them-they all worship the same.
You may see it, as only that-you invite your friends to the Catholic Church, but I assure you if God's in the picture-things will change either way.

Many Catholic's have left their beliefs to follow after the truth.
And it looks like you maybe heading that way-is finding the truth.
You may ask what is truth-you will see it, when it comes your way, and you will know it-because the truth is-you dedicating your life, for Jesus.
emmanuelex1:
You said my Church is a long way off-from doing that but I do not remember inviting you to my church. Besides I do not even think Catholics beg for members. Please serve God that is all that matters.When my friends visited my church I am did have any intention of converting them and I believe they do not have any intention of converting me either, it is all about good friends worshiping God together.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
They can't tell us anything, because It is not written in the bible. There religion is their own.
celebgistsng:
In all this talk no catholic has given us the reasons why they pray to Mary and bow before statues.no cogent proof to show that it is biblical.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:15am On Jul 12, 2017
No-one is accusing anybody-maybe the devil plays with his own children-in the Catholic Church-and of course once again you have chosen to believe such rubbish, everyone is against you, you say you read your bible-then please explain why you prefer to follow after another doctrine?
When of course none what you follow is written in the bible-the Rosaries-praying to dead saints-and making images above, on Earth and underneath the Earth?
If you truly read your bible-you would know, none of these are written in the bible-for you to follow after.
But you do follow these things, so if you truly read your bible-you would know, God is against these things, But some how you don't know, because you don't read your bible long enough to know the bible disagrees with these things.
As I have said before, by their fruit, we will know them.
It is alright to say your friends go to the Catholic Church-I have also been in and out of one too-but your Church doesn't change me-from whom I believe in, your Church is a long way off-from doing that.
Your friends obviously must know that too, they must know who they worship, before they enter into any Church building.
emmanuelex1:
You are so funny, I think the devil is rather using you to cause hatred, I am very proud Catholic and will always remain a catholic because I love Catholicsm. As for my friends they understand we serve one God, I forgot to also tell you that they also visit my Church which is St. Patrick Catholic Church. I am not compelled to be a Catholic, I choose it and loved it despite growing from a catholic background, and who told I do not read my bible. well you can keep assuming and accusing people wrongly if it makes you righteous. Goodluck.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:40pm On Jul 11, 2017
Well this sound funny-your friends take you in other Churches, and obviously your friends are doing the same, as I am doing, listening to the Lord, It is He, the Lord, who is directing you out from amongst the crowd-and yet you prefer to mock me-because I am witnessing to you in a different way-just like your friends taking you to other Churches.
This is the same old story someone is telling you something-and of course you believe that person-I have heard this same story before hand by you? You would rather listen to your priest before you open up your bible.

Let me introduce myself, I am a bible reading believer-"and I believe every Word the Lord has installed for me, like most of us, we don't agree with other religions-who claim to know Christ-claiming to be Christian like, without producing the evidence needed-they follow the world-like the world follows after itself.
Jesus always said:He is not of this world-and He said: by their fruit, we will know them.
emmanuelex1:
I AM A PROUD CATHOLIC,BUT I HAVE ATTENDED OTHER CHURCHES BECAUSE MY FRIENDS INVITED ME FOR THEIR PROGRAMS IN CHURCH, I SEE NOTHING WRONG BECAUSE I FEEL THEY WORSHIP GOD AND PRAY IN JESUS NAME. IN AS MUCH I HAVE VISITED OTHER CHURCHES TO SEE HOW THEY WORSHIP, STILL I LOVE BEING A CATHOLIC AND I STILL REMAIN A CATHOLIC. YOU ARE FREE TO TWIST IT, EXAGGERATE IT, OR GIVE OTHER MEANING TO IT. SOMEONE OFFLINE JUST TOLD ME YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FRONTPAGE? IS IT TRUE? SEARCH YOUR HEART AND PRAY YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU ARE WORSHIPING GOD AND WHEN YOU ARE NOT. GOD KNOWS EVERY PERSONS' HEART. LET GOD BE THE JUDGE
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Yes thanks bro-join in, if you are willing-I need all the help I can get.
And I agree with you-people are stubborn specifically-when the truth is revealed.
Just remember you are always welcome to join us.
Beckino:
I've been reading your posts and I agree with everything you've been saying.
Some people are just too blind and too stuborn to accept the right antidote to see again. They'll rather start to quarell with you and call you names than reason with you.
Keep up the good work and goodluck with it.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 7:20am On Jul 11, 2017
I don't believe a watchmens job is speaking about a Church, I am no longer at, you are confused-a watchmen is somebody spreading the truth to others, somebody who is led by the Lord-yelling out from the house tops warning people to turn from their evil ways, I am doing this by writing to you, I am telling you to turn from your evil ways, by reading your bible finding out the truth about Christ for yourself.
And are you listening?
emmanuelex1:
Loooool I can not stop laughing, so you are a watch man,no wonder you are shy of mentioning the name of your church. Please tell me the full name of your church.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 7:13am On Jul 11, 2017
Get it through your head man, I said I don't go to a Church-meaning to say, I don't fellowship at any Church "Now"
But it doesn't mean I haven't fellowshiped in a Church in the past.
emmanuelex1:
You are a confused clown, what is the meaning of I do not go to church you said? who asking if you if you never being to church> you blood liar you said you do not go to church,please do you go to mosque?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 5:59am On Jul 11, 2017
You only see it as a argument-because you don't know anything.
Everyone knows-people get themselves all worked up-only because they don't know anything, this is your chance to study a thing or two, maybe than we could have a positive conversation.
Instead of listening to you-on a topic, that you don't have any information about.
emmanuelex1:
You just enjoy arguing and from Biblical and philosophical view you even lack basic ability to understand simple points. Well I can not help you, you need to understand yourself. The only I only thing I know you are good at is to assume things and accuse people wrongly. Well ride on if it is your hobby. If I may ask what is the name of church? My assignment for you is to research how Christianity came to Africa, Nigeria and to your church, please do not assume thing just research. It is must not be Catholics who came first but read it first. If I may ask once again what is the name of church?

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