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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:30am On Jul 25, 2017

I believe Mary was taken after Queen Isis, holding her baby-she was also called the Queen of Heaven, and the Mother of God-Dianna-was their goddess.
On top of all that, Donald duck, and Micky mouse are on the roof mowing the lawn.

johnw74:
baba, the rcc say Mary is the queen of heaven,
however the queen of heaven is a false god, that was worshipped long before Mary lived

Jer_7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:22am On Jul 25, 2017

I myself agree with you Bro-the Catholic's are fooling themselves-thinking they will see Heaven-the Word tells us one must be born again-before he will enter into the kingdom of God-the Lord also teaches us-we will know them by their fruit.
And plus-everybody that becomes a true born again believer-doesn't worship after another-never sets themselves up, to fall backwards into any other denomination.
Jesus said: He knows His own.
{John 10:14} I Am the Good Shepherd, I know My Sheep, and My sheep know Me.
{John 10:27} My Sheep know My voice, and My Sheep follow Me.
{John 13:1} Jesus had knowing His own, who were in the world.
And the scriptures keep on coming, but do the Catholic's truly believe?
"No"

johnw74:
baba, according to rcc itself, u r not going to Heaven

Dear Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven?

If you're a Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven when you die? As a Protestant, I can say that I know I am going to heaven. This isn't arrogance. It is confidence in the work of Christ and not my own work. It is confidence in the ability of Jesus to save me completely, to have fulfilled all of the Law perfectly, and to have cleansed me from my sin totally. Therefore, because all my hope and trust are in him and not what I can do, I know I am going to heaven. If my salvation depended on my goodness and abilities in any way, then I can't have any confidence that I will make it to heaven because I am an imperfect sinner. But God is perfect and requires holiness (1 Pet. 1:16). This is why God provided Jesus who fulfilled the Law (Matt. 5:17), including loving God (Deut. 6:5) and loving your neighbor (Lev. 19:18). In other words, Jesus did everything that is necessary for us to do. This is why we should trust Jesus alone and not Jesus and our goodness or Jesus and our church or Jesus and our ability to love God and our neighbor.

But, what about you? Do you have that confidence? If not, perhaps it is because of the requirements that the Roman Catholic Church has stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

“The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 1257).
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).
“This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn,” (CCC 980).
“The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation, (CCC 1129).
“Service of and witness to the faith are necessary for salvation,” (CCC 1816).
“The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law [i.e., 10 Commandments, CCC 2070], because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 2036).

Are you as a Catholic able to keep all the requirements that the Roman Catholic Church says are necessary for salvation? We both know you can't.
Are you sincere, and do you go to confession?

If you go to confession, then that means you are not keeping the law perfectly; otherwise, you would not need to go to confession. So, the very fact that you go to confession demonstrates you're not able to live up to the standard of God's requirement. But since the Roman Catholic Church says you are to keep the Law to be saved, please consider this:

Gal. 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law.'”
James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all."

God's standard is perfect. We are not. This is why we need to trust Jesus alone, so that we are justified by faith. What about you? Are you doing that? Or, are you trusting in Jesus and your ability to keep the Law?

Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
Rom. 4:1-5, "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."

by Matt Slick
Dear Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:44am On Jul 25, 2017*

Well the bible is the Word of God-so you work it out?
Haven't you heard? {Matthew 24:35} Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God-every time we read the bible we are Hearing God speaking to us.
So yes" God speaking to us-is the same as Jesus speaking to us. Don't you believe Jesus when He Said: I and the Father are One.
Do you believe in the Trinity-not because the Trinity Word isn't written in the bible-as a Catholic-do you personally believe, In the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One' in all?

Babacele:
in short are you saying the bible is the same as Jesus?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:33am On Jul 25, 2017

Mary is the supreme goddess only to the Catholic's.

orisa37:
Do you know what The Staff of Moses, The Scarf of Elijah and The Sceptre of Righteousness, all mean in Christianity? The Virgin Mary is and The Rosary is her symbol of communication with The Holy Spirit. Mary is The Mother of Saints and much more than a Saint. Mary is The Supreme Goddess in Christianity, The Righteous.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:11pm On Jul 24, 2017*

People just need to find history Uben-History doesn't tell lies.
Tyndale dedicated his life from translating the bible into vernacular English, so the laypeople of England could read it for themselves, This was not expressly against the rules, as mentioned, but Tyndale could not get anyone in the Catholic Church to help him with room and board.
Everyone was uncomfortable with the bible being reality accessible to the commoners, "because how could the Church then keep power"
Not to be deterred Tyndale went into hiding in Belgium and Germany, evading capture while he translated the New Testament, finishing it in 1525
It was printed en-masse and smuggled all over Europe, especially into England, "Where the Catholic's in charged burned a number of them in public"
Tyndale also finished the Old Testament in 1530 Tyndale was finely caught after some help from a backstabbing so call friend, name Henry Philips. Tyndale was charged with heresy-for no other reason but translating the bible into the English Language, Tyndale was strangled and burned to the stake-by the Catholic Church On the 6 Oct 1536 In Vilvoorde, outside Brussels, the Catholic Church had never apologised.
So what had Tyndale done in His translations that was so heretical?
Tyndale had translated the Greek word for "elder' as elder" instead of priest" He had translated the Greek word for, "Congregation' as congregation instead of Church" and the Greek word for "Repentance" as 'repentance" in stead of penance"
Why were such difference important to the Church? The Roman Catholic Church have priest not elders" A congregation implies a locally autonomous of believers guided by the Holy Spirit, 'And not a hierarchical unified subject to the Pope.
The Roman Catholic Church is built on penance and indulgence to the priest and Church, not repentance to, and forgiveness from God.
{See Martin Luther's 95 These on indulgence, the debate that sparked the Reformation} in trying to render the Greek into English, Tyndale's translations exposed the errors of the Catholic Church to the people, which quickly brought the wrath of the Church down on Him..
Uben it is easy to find who murdered Tyndale-and why? We just can't hide History, Like you can..

Ubenedictus:
Stop telling lies, tyndale was killed in anglican england under king henry the founder of anglicanism.

why do u think tyndale got his manuscripts from?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:37pm On Jul 24, 2017

Its good to hear you are back Uben-at least I may get some sense out from you, not like these other Catholic's who haven't half the brain you have.
Uben not only my N/T but for all who chooses to believe, N/T O/T is all the same Uben O/T tells of the coming of Jesus-and the N/T Jesus arrives. Don't forget Jesus always quoted O/T scriptures, and the N/T was written after Jesus-by inspired men filled with the Holy Spirit.

Ubenedictus:
I guess ur new testament is also pagan since the catholic church compiled its canon.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:27pm On Jul 24, 2017

The bible wasn't just written by men-the bible was written by inspired men of God.
It was the Spirit of God who inspired these faithful men, many were the disciples of Jesus-these men witnessed-the truth about God-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God.
The Bible is full of God's Word-reading the bible-is listening to God speak.

Babacele:
The bible was written by men and consists of the old testament and the new testament and by implication Judaism and Christianity . So it contains Jewish history, mistakes, inspirations ,biases and God's intervention etc Jesus is the word of God made long after the Torah had been in use. No amount of deifying the Bible can replace Jesus the word of God.

As at the time Jesus talked in Luke 4:4 there was no book called the Bible. And John was clear by saying that' the word was made flesh'. it is clear enough.
The is a collection of holy scriptures which has been subjected to different reviews by men.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:18pm On Jul 24, 2017

Again the written Word of God-Haven't you not read about Abraham-nor Moses in the bible?
Jesus quote scriptures all the time-and Jesus's Spirit the Holy Spirit-gave the disciples the written Word of God, to write down, on the old manuscripts, found centuries later and translated into a book, and it is called the bible.
Don't you remember-the Catholic Church informing you with this information?

Babacele:
the bible contains some words of God. and God is still speaking to men. what book did Moses or Abraham read before God spoke to them?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:53am On Jul 24, 2017*

Yeh Brother-it's funny, I'm reading what Baba is saying-it just shows bro-without having the Spirit of God-like most, they are lost sheep,
every time I look at my bible-I see bible written on both sides on the front cover.
With this sort of info, it could spread like wildfire-this could ruin the Catholic secret society.
How about Trinity or the Rapture, do we find these words written down? And yet the Catholic's believe they exist..

johnw74:

Ha ha, now don't go trying to teach us the Bible, u know little about it

The Word of God here is: God the Word who became the man Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God here is: the Holy scriptures-the Bible:
Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

u c that bro, there is no word Bible in the Bible, so what does that mean, that it doesn't exist? baba a bit 2 confused

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:36pm On Jul 23, 2017

Isn't this clear enough for you-try reading the news papers-watch you Television-or listen to the Radio.
The world knows what your beloved Church stand for.
And the world knows God is the God of love.
Nothing in these two lines resemble to each other.

Babacele:
be specific and coherent pls.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:19pm On Jul 23, 2017

Ha Ha Ha this is funny.
Do I have to explain this to you-Mr know it all.
And of course you would rather refuse the Word of God-to become a born again believer, that you yourself haven't the slightest idea what the scriptures say-concerning where the scriptures are written-and what is the name of the book where God's Himself had laid His Word, so the world may know God exist-which are written into a book called the Bible..
And where do you think {John 1:1} is written into? A book call the Bible..

Babacele:
Mr God ,mr judge. U know nothing about being born again. It is not some exclusive clubs meant for some privileged to be flaunt at some poor folks but God alone knows who qualifies.
The word of God is Jesus and not the Bible. John1:1-1.
From Genesis to Revelation there is no word like Bible. pls try and learn .

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:04pm On Jul 23, 2017

How do we know it wasn't God that guilded the Catholic Church-because God is the God of the Living-He isn't the God of the dead.
The world already knows the Catholic Church carries on with standard paganism-a Church that show signs of sin, everything the Church stands for-is truly against God.

Babacele:
earlier on this thread while employing foul words Mr Pentecostal,you quoted Leviticus where Moses gave the " thou shall not worship another God" law to the ignorant Jews unlike we poor Catholics that we so much rever God that we beg holy people and saints to help pray to Him despite all our numerous direct communion with the most merciful universal Father.

The same unpredictable Lord told Moses to adopt what modern pharisees would term paganism to promote the faith in Him , like using the ash of burnt heifer for cleanliness Num19:16-18, or the raising of the bronze snake which has great significance with Christ crucifixion as shown in the verse below:

Just as Moses lifted up the snake
in the wilderness, so the Son of
Man must be lifted up,
John 3:15
that everyone who believes in Him
may have eternal life.

So how do you know it wasnt God that guided the Catholic church?

Do you really understand?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:53pm On Jul 23, 2017

God has Judge you-but if you aren't willing to become a born again believer, how the Word of God tells us to be-then God had already Judge you.

Babacele:
after 2000 years of leading the Crusade, no gate of hades has prevailed against the Rock: the Catholic church despite all the challenges . That history you cant wish away . And stop wasting your time on assumptions and stop feeling like God. Those who worship God do in truth and spirit and only God knows who qualifies.

Go to uncharted terrains e.g Afghanistan to preach the gospel not to Catholics who have paved the way. Let God judge us.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:32pm On Jul 22, 2017*

All we believers are trying to show you-is the creator God retrieves all the glory, we are trying to show you-to find any truth-you must read your dusty old bibles, it's the Catholic Church who claims it was they, the Church began with Peter, but yet if this is true-then why does the Catholic's preach another doctrine, Peter walked with Jesus-and he would know the in's and out's, what Jesus spoke off.
{Acts 3:6} Then Peter said: silver and gold I do not have-but what I do have, I give you-In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.
This is the Peter we believers know off-this isn't the Peter the Catholic Church rest upon, If Peter was the author of the Catholic Church-then one would think the Church would follow after Peter-and do the things Peter done.
He laid His hands on the sick-the blind now see, and Peter raised the dead {Acts 9:36-42}
Is this not the Church we would expect to see? Wouldn't we want to have these same gifts Peter had from God-wouldn't we become born again believers just like Peter was-and all the other apostles-like Mary-when the Holy Spirit fell upon them at Pentecost.
{Acts 2:2-6} Then suddenly there came a sound from Heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the hole house where they were sitting, then there appeared to them divied tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
It seems the Catholic Church don't baptise any of you-with the Holy Spirit-listen to what Paul says in {Acts 19:1-7} And it happened while Apollos was in Corinth, that Paul, having passed through, the upper region, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples He said: to them, did you received the Holy Spirit when you believed?
{Did the Catholic's received the Holy Spirit after Baptism-of course not-because you were all babies at the time, and at that time, none of you believed.}
{V 2} So they said: to Paul, we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit", And he said to them, "into what than were you baptised? So they said: into John's baptism..
Then Paul said: John indeed baptized with the Baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him, who would come after him, that is on Jesus Christ".
When they heard this, they were Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, and when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit come upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
This is why it is important to be like Peter-He was truly filled with the Holy Spirit-no man in the flesh can do such Miracles, without having the Holy Spirit. Mary carried the Spirit of God with her-she was filled with the Holy Spirit-she like Peter and the rest of the disciples were filled, and even today more and more are being filled with the Holy Spirit-spreading the gospel, where the disciples left off, this is a question I would be asking the Church, why doesn't the Catholic Church teach on these important issues?
Peter and Mary didn't need to pray through anybody else-being filled with the Holy Spirit they could pray directly to the Father's throne room.

Babacele:
What impossibility can be like giving birth to God? And what portion of the bible God said Mary was temporal? This same God that called Mary blessed among women and that she is highly favored(Lk1:28) ,and Holy Ghost filled Elizabeth that called her mother of God(luke1 :42), whose divine position is being recognized by Catholics for all generations (luke1:48), who can make Christ hour come even when it wasn't yet time(John2:5)

if Judaism with all the Mosaic laws is what would redeem us ,why did God came as man Jesus through Mary?
Why did he Christ have to establish his church on St Peter who has the Apostolic mandate which no gates of hades has been able to prevail against in the past 2000 years(Math 16: 13-20).

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:43am On Jul 22, 2017

"No I suppose we won't-another Catholic bites the dust, the blind is leading the blind-these so called believers can never come to the truth, the Catholic's can't see pass the man made images.
{John 20:25-29} Thomas said: unless I see the nail marks in His hands, and put my finger where the nails were-and put my hand on His side-I will not believe it.
{V 29} Jesus said unto him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you had believed, Blessed are they who have not seen, and yet have believed.
The Catholic Church runs with Thomas, he and the Church, need images to believe.
And this my friend tells us the Catholic's aren't strong enough in faith to accept Christ fully to believe.

johnw74:
we will never see those verses

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:21pm On Jul 21, 2017*

Why do you believe Mary and the saints are holier-then we are?
Do you not know-Jesus gave us away' so we on Earth can have a direct line straight to Him-do you not know-if you became a born again believer, we are filled with the Holy Spirit-just like Mary and the apostles were-and we have a direct praying line straight into heaven-because we are connected-to God's Divine Spirit-did you not know, once you become a born again believer-God connects us straight into the throne room of God {Hebrews 4:16} Let us than approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so we may receive mercy and find grace, to help us in the time of need.
{James 4:8} Draw near to God-and He will draw near to you.
We don't need to call on Mary to pray, nor do we need the saints to pray for us, we already have that connection straight to God, He is just a phone call away.

Babacele:
the Pentecostal generation that is calling her envelope or demon?

Despite the divinity of Mary ,mother of God, we catholics direct all our prayers to God Almighty and only beg Mary and the Saints to help us pray to God because they are holier.
We are not like the old testament folks who didn't know God but believed in stones,woods etc as their God.

God himself honored - if you like call it worship- Mary by allowing Her to be His mother, then who are we not to honor her? You lots that splash and worship the pictures of your G.Os every where wants to teach us not to honor God's Mother?
if you want to know about the Rosario, ask questions and stop spewing ignorance and judging.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:44pm On Jul 21, 2017*

Well this is interesting-you are saying St' Stephen said; God doesn't stay in one Place built by men? Well it appears the Catholic Church disagrees with St' Stephen-the Vatican believes the Roman Catholic Church belongs to God?
Well sorry to disappoint you, I don't go to a Church building to find God-and I don't turn to Mary to find God either-nor do I pray to the saints, my sister is with the Lord-but I don't pray to my sister for any guidance, I pray straight to God, He is the one' in my heart everyday-and everyday I seem to be on this page writing to you and the many more who claim to be somebody other then born again believers.
But the problem is-it is you that needs the Church to comfort you-and you poor Catholic sinners need Mary to lead you to God, only because your hearts are hardened, and you haven't the slightest idea how to come to Him..
We have preached the gospel time and time again to all of you, and still you have refused the written Word of God-you would rather believe the lie-rather then believe the truth of God.
I am filled with the Spirit of God-so I don't need anybody other then God to lead me straight to Himself..
Jesus said one must be a born again believer before he can enter into the kingdom of God-which of course you aren't a born again to know this knowledge enough to realise He is the only doorway into Heaven.
Mary is only human, she was never part of the Trinity-she is blessed-we are blessed-there are no records found in bible history, Mary is our mediator between God and Man. We have only One mediator between us and God-Jesus Christ is Lord.

Babacele:
According to St Stephen, God does not stay in any place built by men, so why do you go to your church to look for God? We poor Catholic sinners pray to God through the mother of God Mary who is in heaven with God and the saints.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:56am On Jul 21, 2017

Where is the part-we have to pray to Mary? You mean to say we waited this long-for nothing, do us a favour, don't return our calls.

emmanuelex1:
ALRIGHT I WANTED A HEALTHY DISCUSSION TO SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE BUT YOU RESULTED TO INSULTS. NEVERTHELESS I WILL SHOW FEW OF MY EXPLANATION AND WILL STOP AT THAT BECOS I DO NOT WANT TO BE TEMPTED TO INSULT YOU FOR CALLING ME DEVIL AND A LIAR. GOD BLESS YOU AS YOU READY THE BELOW.

CATHOLIC RECITATION SHOWING JESUS IS THE ONE WE ACTUALLY WORSHIP - HERE ARE THE MAIN PRAYERS OF THE ROSARY
• In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost
• I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sin, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. (Said before the Rosary)
• Our Father, who art in heaven hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. (Said before each decade)
• Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. (Said after each decade)
• O my Jesus, forgive us of our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls into heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy. (Said after each decade)

RECITATION CONCERNING MARY

• Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. (Luke 1:28)
Blessed art thou among women (Luke 1:41-42a, Luke 1:48),
Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus (Luke 1:42b)
Holy Mary, Mother of God (Luke 1:43)
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen (Luke 2:35, John 2:3-5 )
JOHN 2:3-5 ==== 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.” “Woman,why do you involve me?” Jesus replied.“My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
The "Hail Mary" written above has the scriptural references after each line. Some Evangelicals feel that it is blasphemous to say that Mary is "Holy." Peter quoted Jesus, "you shall be holy because I am holy’" (1 Peter 1:14-16). We don't think Evangelicals would think that is blasphemous. Jesus said that human beings shall be Holy, because Jesus is Holy, and also Mary is Holy because Jesus is Holy. Her holiness is derived from him. Mary's obedience to God and closeness to Jesus made her holy. Our nearness to Jesus makes us Holy.
We are asking Mary to pray for us. She is praying the same way a pastor might pray for you or me. We think she is a kicking prayer warrior than our Catholic Priest or Pastor or even better than Evangelical pastors.

I HAVE BEEN PACKAGING ALOT OF EXPLANATION FOR YOU GUYS BUT EXPECTED NO MORE REPLIES FROM ME BECOS OUR DISCUSSION IS NO MORE HEALTHY DUE TO INSULTS YOU HAVE RAINED ON ME. MAY GOD BLESS US ALL, IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:49am On Jul 21, 2017

Is this it-is this all we get-where's the part Emman said we have to pray to Mary?

johnw74:
emman, one more time that's just a copy and paste of your above posts, r there many more to come

where are the Bible verses showing u r to pray to Mary

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:43am On Jul 21, 2017

THE MEANING TO RECITATION IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD REPEAT SOMETHING ALOUD OF MEMORY, OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER?
So what is it-would you like me to repeat over, and over, and over, without insulting you?

emmanuelex1:
I am sorry Man I requested the full recitation and nothing more. I can not see any recitation. If you have truly posted it before in full please copy and paste to me, and note Do not explain anything to me , just copy and paste the recitation you said you ave typed before while I do the explanation. If you insult me I would stop replying you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:57am On Jul 21, 2017

So you would like us to repeat the recitation-over, and over, {Matthew 6:7}And when you pray-do not keep on babbling like the pagans do {The Catholic's do} for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
So you wan't us to recitation repeatedly pray the rosaries Hail Mary Mother of God-over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over?
"NA" Your on, your own.

emmanuelex1:
Please do not agree with anything yet, Moreover I observed you did not even reference the bible while agreeing to some you choose to agree with. I need the recitation only I do not want your commentary because I will do that my self referencing the Bible. Please type only the recitation. Thanks

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:48am On Jul 21, 2017

Mary's blessed, just as I am blessed.

Babacele:
After the Annunciation ei the message of God's willing to manifest in flesh through birth to Mary by Angel Gabriel , the Holy Mother accepted this huge opportunity to redeem humanity by say: " behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy world...." Lk 1:38

When Mary visited her cousin Elizabeth in Lk1:40-43, her divine presence - holy spirit-was felt even by the baby in Elizabeth's womb who said: " whence is it to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" ,to which Mary replied thus:
My soul magnify the Lord,......for he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Lk46-48.

So who are the generations calling Mary blessed today if not Catholics ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:45am On Jul 21, 2017

It isn't biblical about Mary-so lets try and keep the bible simple-and obey it with full strength.
It wasn't the Catholic Church that made the bible visible to the hole world-matter of fact the church hid the bible-and it was men and women, the Church had murdered, men and women died in faith because of their courage they had for Christ.
The Catholic Church had removed William Tyndale head and burnt him to the stake-because he himself had changed the bible from the Latin language, to the English language.
Lets be truthful-and let us not hide the facts-how the bible was led to the people.

Babacele:
After 2000 + years of laying the Christian foundation through the apostolic mandate Christ gave Peter and which the early church fathers transferred down to the Catholic clergy through the papacy ,including making the bible available to the whole world ,it is easy for overfed grandchildren in the Christian faith to come around to launch ignorant attacks on their fore parent - the Catholic church.

These ignorant lots many of who can't survive a 100 years of hades after the death of their founders, always found it hilarious throwing blasphemous hauls at the very important foundation of the Christian redemption- the virgin Mary. These folks who question the special intervention role and divinity of Mary the mother of Jesus, run to their pastors/ daddy GOs to intercede for them before God. Mary Mother and these GOs who is more divine?
Ladies and gentlemen let us take a journey through the Bible where the Catholic simply adopted Mary's acceptance speech to work with God to save humanity from the peril of the adamic sin.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:04am On Jul 21, 2017*

Don't we just love the fact, we can find everything we need to know about almost anything-concerning religion, of course you are expecting me to say the Hail Mary prayer-but deep down I don't like to say anything that is unbiblical, I feel I am robbing God-if I am praying to someone other than He.
So instead I have found three unbiblical passages to the Hail Mary, the text to the Hail Mary prayer incorporates two bible passages:
Hail full of grace, The Lord is with thee" {Luke 1:28} And he came to her and said: O greetings favoured one-the Lord is with thee.
{Luke 1:42} And she came with a loud cry' Blessed are you among women, and Blessed is the fruit of your womb.

The first passage is from the angel Gabriel's greetings to Mary when he came to inform her that she had been chosen to bear the Messiah.
The second is her cousin Elizabeth greetings to Mary when Mary came to visit her, who was also pregnant with John the Baptise.
The third part of the "Hail Mary prayer" is not from the bible, and is in fact a direct contradiction to scriptural truth.
Holy Mary' Mother of God pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death "Amen"

The last part of the Hail Mary prayer has 3 unbiblical parts to it.
First is not-and never was "Holy" Mary she was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature, and she recognised that she needed a saviour, in fact the very passage used in Hail Mary, known as Mary's Magnificat {Luke 1:46-55} Contains the declaration, my spirit rejoices in God my savour, a clear indication that she understood her need for a saviour from sin.
The bible never say's that Mary was anyone but a ordinary woman who God chose to use in a extraordinary way, yes Mary was a righteous woman and favoured {grace} by God {Luke 1:27-28} At the same time Mary was a sinful human being, who needed Jesus Christ as her savour, just like anybody else.{Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, 6:23, 1 john 1:8}

The second unbiblical part of the Hail Mary is addressing Mary as the Mother of God, Mary was the human Mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate, but she was not the "Mother of God" neither is she the "Queen of Heaven" another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no bases in scripture.
God doesn't have a Mother, Nor does He have a Queen, He is a eternal infinite being-uncreated and unborn, self sufficient and self-sustaining.

The third unbiblical statement is the Hail Mary is the plead for her to "pray for us sinners" Here we see the unbiblical practice of praying to Mary to intercede for God for us, first we do not need another intercessor with God.
Christ is the only intercessor we need, Through Jesus and Him alone, we have direct access to the Father, Christ alone medicates and intercedes between God and man. For there is One God and One mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus {1 Timothy 2:5} Praying to anyone other than God alone is anti-biblical.
Praying to Mary is petitioning for her to pray for us is against the scriptures. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other then God is robbing God of the glory that He is alone, something God hates and He will not tolerate {Isaiah 42:8}
While Mary was certainly a Godly young woman, greatly Blessed in that she was chosen to bear the savour of the world, she was not in anyway divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped , revered, venerated, or prayed too.
So no I won't pray to anyone other then the Father, and if you choose not to reply back to me-who cares-there are plenty more, who are willing to try to add and remove the scriptures, just like you did..

emmanuelex1:
If you can not type the recitation, do not quote me again because I will not answer you again. No recitation no answer again.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:10pm On Jul 20, 2017

I am waiting to hear what you have written to Johnw74-since he had done what you have asked.

emmanuelex1:
I just see many mentions yet I can not find the recitation I requested yet you want answer. Please do not quote me again without recitation. I only need the recitation. Do not quote except you give the recitation which will show you have knowledge of the subject matter.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:27am On Jul 20, 2017

Answer your side of the bargain-You did give us your word to reply, we already know the Catholic's have a hard time telling the truth, so prove us wrong, and answer the question.

emmanuelex1:
I poted it repeated just for to know that I only wanted you to type the full recitation first before I can answer. It is either you accept you are ignorant of a novice about the recitation you criticize. Please do not quote if you can do not even know what you criticize

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 10:18pm On Jul 19, 2017*

I suppose I am saying that Jesus is the Almighty {1 john 5:20} tells it all, written in the NWT Bible. This is where the confusion comes in-a JW refusing to use his own bible-after reading a few verses myself-yes' the NWT bible is a book of confusion, no-wonder you prefer the KJV.
I will take out some of the verses the JW's refuse to believe from the NWT Bible.
{Nehemiah 9:32} And now O our God the God great mighty. The JW's say Jesus is mighty-and God is the almighty. But the NWT proves otherwise.
{Job 36:5} Indeed, God is mighty and rejects no-one.
{Psalms 24:8} Who is this glorious King? Jehovah, strong and mighty, Jehovah, mighty in battle.
{Isaiah 43:10-11} "You are my witnesses," declares Jehovah, "Yes, my servant whom I have chosen.
So that you may know and have faith in me" And understand that I am the same One, Before me no God was formed. And after me there has been none. I-I am Jehovah,' and besides me there is no savior."
{John 10:30} I and the Father are one. [The JW's refuses this verse repeatedly]
{2 Corinthians 13:14} The undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the sharing in the Holy Spirit be with all of you. {The JW's actually believe in the trinity}
And if God is the Almighty-and Jesus is the Mighty-than their must be a mix up in the NWT AND THE KJV bibles
{1 John 5:20} BUT WE KNOW THAT THE SON OF GOD HAS COME, AND HE HAS GIVEN US INSIGHT" SO THAT WE MAY GAIN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONE WHO IS TRUE. AND WE ARE IN UNION WITH THE ONE WHO IS TRUE, BY MEANS OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND LIFE EVERLASTING. So yes" the JW's and I believe, Jesus is the Mighty and the Almighty..

sholytomx:
From your point at the end of this write up......who is the Christ? Are you saying He's the Almighty God in heaven? I didn't get you.
And Note this: I didn't use the KJV so as to twist anything but I used it primary so that their will be no argument over bible translation, as a matter of fact I use any bible translation available to me anytime I needed the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 5:38am On Jul 19, 2017*

Since you believe you know-the recitation-then it is best if you quote the verses for us?
You know we do not belong to the Catholic Church, I thank the Lord for that-or else we would be lost sheep, we don't know the secrets the Church holds-so let us in the secret society, and tells us-where these bible verses are-we must pray to Mary?
We all know the truth, but do you know? Why am I wasting my time-you haven't a clue about this matter, and you are calling us ignorant, matter of fact, you are like your father, he is full of lies and wonders-you won't find any scripture to prove your theory we must pray or ask Mary to pray for us.
Maybe you think you have the answers-but it isn't written in the bible-it maybe written in the Catholic bible-since it has 76 books to it, while the protestants bible has only 66 books-it puzzles me-why the Catholic Church had removed these books-from other bibles?
So come on, how long is this going to take, so If you want our heads to turn-then stop lying and give us these verses-that we, must pray to Mary?

emmanuelex1:
YOU are just a SCAM, how can you criticize with half naked knowledge? please I need the full recitation then I promise will quote the bible verses for you to understand. Please do not quote me if you do not type the full recitation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:11am On Jul 19, 2017

How sad are you-you never even read anything i have written-I quoted scripture you ask me to do-but of course you have found reason why you can't quote any Catholic knowledge-you believe you have.. Well it's true, in heart I was never a Catholic-like the rest of the world, who claims they are catholic and haven't seen inside a church building, but as for myself I have spent a little time, going through all the Holy communion and baptism as a child-yes I had my papers signed, and ready to go.
But my heart was never there-after I had the beatings, and the abuse I retrieved from the Nun's-I couldn't see myself living a life acting as a Catholic, they didn't show me any love-one would expect-hatred is what I had felt, and witnessed.
I am just one of the many millions, the Church had showing the world.

emmanuelex1:
Please you were never a Catholic you were just going to Catholic church then as you claim. You criticize what you have no knowledge about, All I asked for is for you to type the popular Catholic recitation about Mary and let me do the the Bible quotation and explain to you. You make laugh, you do not know or can not even type the recitation you criticize. Please do not quote me again if you can not type the recitation. .[s][/s.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 11:49pm On Jul 18, 2017*

Now you are funny" firstly the verse given {Mark 9:38-39} was to say-don't knock others when we are doing the will of God, just as well as you JW's think you are doing-The apostle John rebuke someone preforming miracles in Jesus name, only because that someone wasn't walking with them, but Jesus had pointed this verse out very clearly to them,-saying anybody who does a miracle in My name-can-not speak evil of Me.
And this is why I gave this verse to the JW's, we may not be walking with you, but it doesn't mean we aren't spreading the truth of God to the nations either. Plus you JW's believe you have all the answers, you believe you are the only ones saved, Jesus made it clear, who are saved and who is not saved-one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God. Are you saved?
And my words to be black listed is a word I myself use-who ever comes to my door either the JW's or the Mormons-trying to be pushy as they are, not allowing myself to have a say-yes we can either close our doors-or they can listen to me point out scriptures from their own bibles, the NWT bible gives us the truth, who Christ is.
I just love the fact the JW's won't push their own bible-but use the King James as a their tool to push their twisting.
The JW's are confused who they worship, New World Translation bible say's this,[Revelation 22:18-21] I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of this prophesy of this scroll: if anyone makes an addition to these things, "God will add" to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophesy, God will take his portion way from the trees of life! and out of the Holy city, that are written about in this scroll, the One who bears witness of these things say's "Yes" I am coming quickly,"' Amen Come, Lord Jesus."
[ Revelation 22:12, 21:6] Look I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with Me, to repay each one according to his work, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
[Verse 21:6] And He said:to me, "They have come to pass! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, to anyone thirsting, I will give from the spring" of the water of life free.
The New World Translation bible knows who Christ is-but sadly enough the JW's don't know. This is their argument standing at the door, and do they come back? "No".

sholytomx:
You guys are soo funny, the fact that someone did not come to ur house, does not mean ur home was blacklisted or that the person ran away, probably there was an argument during ur discussion 2geder and he/she sees there will be no point coming another day because the same argument will sprout again or something else has happen to the witness that visited you, more so you urself said u re a Xtian meaning they shouldn't bother coming to u(Don't get me wrong this is just an assumption to the reason why u didn't see the person again) now base on Mark 9:38-39; I don't see anything that can be argued about in that verse. Reading from KJV it says "And John answered him, saying,
Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy
name, and he followeth not us: and we
forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for
there is no man which shall do a miracle in
my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our
part" what Jesus said here is clear but note that AT THIS TIME the man does not need to accompany
Christ in order to be on Jesus’ side. why is that? The Christian
congregation is yet to be formed(compare Math 16:18, 18:15-17), The Jewish congregation(Isralite) still had divine recognition also Jesus did not required all believers follow him bodily(Mark 5:18-20) so the fact that the
man is not traveling with Jesus does not mean that he
is an opposer or promoting a false religion. The man
obviously has faith in Jesus’ name, and what Jesus
says indicates that the man will not lose his reward. However as soon as the Christian congregation was established, (evidently in 33ce)Individuals desiring God's favor had to be associated with it as faithful followers of Christ and carry out Christ command accordingly(compare Act 2:40,41,47). After this the mere performance of powerful work on the basis of Jesus name wud no longer be an evidence of a person being on the side of Jesus Christ, nor will it guarantee that such one wud not be guilty of reviling God's Son-Math 7:21-23

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:30pm On Jul 18, 2017*

Firstly you must understand I don't call myself a Catholic anymore-I became one while I was in side the institution I was placed at-and to be honest It didn't interest me.
Most Catholic's believe, we put Mary down-but this isn't the case-we already know who Mary is-God the Father found favour in Mary to give birth to Jesus, because of her faith she had with God, yes she was blessed, and she is the Mother of the Most high God.
{Luke 1:26-28} And having come in, the Angel said: to her, Rejoice highly favoured one, the Lord is with you-bless are you among women.
{Isaiah 7:14} Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign, behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel, "Meaning God with us.
{Luke 1:15, 1:41-43} And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary the baby leaped up in her womb, Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and Elizabeth said blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, and why is this granted to me, that the Mother of My Lord shall come to me.
Blessed as Mary was-Jesus said: those who do the will of God are His brother, Mother and Sister.
Yes Mary is the Mother of Jesus-but she isn't the one we should be setting our eye's upon-to retrieved anything from the Lord, we have the Spirit of God to help us pray directly to Him. Mary always prayed to the Father, she never took her eyes of Him-this should be a good example for you Catholic's to do the same, pray to the Father.
It isn't any good-asking Mary to pray for you. Who did Mary ask to pray for Her-no-body she prayed straight to God the Father.
You can also have what Mary had-She had a direct line to God-because she was filled with the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus said: you must become born again, before you can enter into the kingdom of God. Mary became a born again when she accepted the Fathers child, Elizabeth and the apostles became born again, when they accepted the Spirit of God..
Many Catholic's believe, Jesus put His Mother down by calling her Woman-He is given us a chance to know the truth-those who follow Me, are My brother, Mother and Sister, Mary had already made Her connection to Jesus and the Father-She was living in the Spirit of God, God's presents was around her in the flesh, and in Spirit.
Jesus explained to the crowd they too-can have life for eternity-if they will just follow Him.
This is where the Catholic's get themselves confused about the Spirit of the Lord-you can have that same Spirit Mary has, but it is Jesus that lives in our hearts and minds, Jesus had given us an opportunity to choose-whom we follow.
But listen if you are willing-Jesus made a way for us to see Him personally-like Mary and Elizabeth they received the Holy Spirit, this is why Jesus made a point of us to become a born again believer, like the apostles, we to can have that opportunity to received the Holy Spirit, like Mary and the apostles did, and all those before these,who received the Spirit of God since time began.
Jesus is alive now, and forevermore.

emmanuelex1:
First prove to me you are not ignorant of Catholicism by typing the words of the most popular recitation about Mary Catholics mostly say(SOME CLUES--- HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH YOU). If you do this I will quote verses for you to now understand the recitation concerning Mary. Please reply this quote with the recitation. But If you do not know the recitations Catholics say then tell how you will appreciate or understand the Bible verse I will quote? What you do not know is that most of the recitations towards Mary is in the bible. Well you need to see a Catholics priest and carry your Bible along while going to see him or type the recitations here then I will help explain referencing the Bible. Religion is not online gragra.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:19am On Jul 18, 2017*

Yes God does know who serves Him-the last time I looked your name wasn't even written down, that is right-your name isn't mentioned. Johnw74 was sitting above my name-No sorry-you must be under a different name. Wait-I see you now-your name is heading down under.
But if you are interested-it's easy, just sign in, under this domain-you must pray to Jesus-asking Him to forgive your sins, come to your repentance, so your sins will be forgiven {Acts 3:9} tell the Lord you believe that God raise Him from the dead, ask Jesus you want to be saved and become a born again believer.
This is all you need to do-this is your ticket to enter into the kingdom of God.
And if you are honest about it-we will know the evidence, you are saved in faith.
By their fruit, we will know them..

emmanuelex1:
I am a false accuser you said now again, hope your heart is not disturbing you? Please GOD be our Judge because he knows those that serve him.

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