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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:03am On Jul 31, 2017

Brother you understood baba's question?
What is the confusion? What can't baba understand? It's simple, we pray to the Father, Jesus prays for us, and Jesus said pray for one another.
Baba's idea of prayer is unbiblical, baba prays "To" Mary or baba's begging Mary "To" pray for baba.
If babe was to pray for Mary-it still would have been unbiblical, Mary's dead, followed by the saints.
{Ecclesiastes 9:5} For the living know that they will die, But the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

johnw74:
your posts to brocab are not clear, but i will make two points

1.there is a diffrence between praying for people and praying to people, such as mary
praying for people is good, praying to people(who cannot hear you) is stupid but more importantly it is unbibical
Christians pray only to God, not to people who have died, as rc's do

2.bro is right, begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural, that is: it is unbibical

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:42am On Jul 31, 2017*

You need to explain-with more details?
{John 17:20-23} Say's, Jesus prays for all believers.
I haven't a clue what you mean, Pray to me, Jesus" in the Lords prayer? Are you expecting Jesus to bow down before me,
and pray to me.
What are you saying-explain this madness.
{2 Thessalonians 3} Paul ask his brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for him.
Praying for the living-is what the Lord had directed us to do, but it aren't a direction from the Lord, when you pray to His dead Mother, begging Her to pray for you, it is unscriptural.
Praying to others, who are already dead, is dangerous-you maybe asking a demon to pray for you, this is why Jesus said: pray to the Father in Heaven. You believe there is One God-the demons believe and tremble.

Babacele:
1.The Lord's prayer you quoted to counter my pointing out the Christian tradition of praying for each other when I " holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners". True or false?
2 . You said begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural and that the only biblical prayer is the Lord's prayer.
3. Since we must obey scriptural commandments according to, and since we all pray to Jesus whereas He has given us a prayer formula. So please Mr Pentecostal stop dodging and being crafty by just quoting for us where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus " in the Lords prayer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:31am On Jul 31, 2017

If you had read {John 17:20-23} you will know Jesus prays for us.
And if you read {John 14:13-14} What we ask in Jesus's name, Jesus will do.
{Matthew 21:22} And all things you ask in prayer, believing you will receive. {So when I ask-I say it, in Jesus name.}

Babacele:
you want us to be robotic - what you called ' obeying commandments', no problem. Just quote me for me in that prayer where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus" .

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:19am On Jul 31, 2017

Maybe if you read the scriptures yourself instead of relying on me, to answer them for you-you would have the answers, or maybe you are trying to trick me in your craftiness.
{Hebrews 1:6-9} Explains who Christ is: God said: to Jesus, Your Throne O 'God will last forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom, You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness, Therefore God" You God, has anointed you. With all oil of gladness, more then Your companions.
.{Matthew 1:23} Behold the Virgin shall be with Child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they call Him Emmanuel which means God with us.

Babacele:
you want us to be robotic - what you called ' obeying commandments', no problem. Just quote me for me in that prayer where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus" .

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:27am On Jul 31, 2017*

In Jesus name-I for one-don't pray the Lords prayer on the street corners.
The Lord said: go into your room and pray to the Father who art in Heaven.
It is the Pharisees-that were heard for their many words on the street corners, and the Catholic's are known as the modern day Pharisees, as we all know it.
{Matthew 28:18-20}Jesus said: all authority on Heaven and on Earth had been given to Me-then Jesus told His disciples-to go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey or that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of this age.
If this is what you call standing on street corners-witnessing to people about Christ-then you need to obey the commandments the Lord had given you.
And in Jesus name we pray to the Father who art in Heaven.

Babacele:
tell the world that you Pentecostals don't pray to Jesus, that you don't stand in public places to pray as against Christ advice. Quote from the Lord's prayer where Jesus said" pray to me; stand in public places to pray". Very simple ,and stop dodging now that you need to be really scriptural.

For the benefit of others after truth, I present below Jesus admonition on how to pray:

Matthew 6:5-15 New International
Version (NIV)
Prayer
5 “And when you pray, do not be
like the hypocrites, for they love
to pray standing in the
synagogues and on the street
corners to be seen by others.
Truly I tell you, they have received
their reward in full. 6 But when
you pray, go into your room, close
the door and pray to your Father,
who is unseen. Then your Father,
who sees what is done in secret,
will reward you. 7 And when you
pray, do not keep on babbling like
pagans, for they think they will be
heard because of their many
words. 8 Do not be like them, for
your Father knows what you need
before you ask him.
9 “This, then, is how you should
pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10
your kingdom come,

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:40am On Jul 31, 2017*

{Matthew 6:9-13}
Jesus said: pray like this.
Our Father in Heaven,
Hallowed be your name.
Your Kingdom come,
your will be done,
on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil.
For this is the Kingdom and the power and the Glory forever. Amen.

Babacele:
answer my question

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:27am On Jul 31, 2017

Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.
Read it again.

Babacele:
Mr scripture ,show us in the Lord's prayer you quoted above where Jesus mentioned" pray to me Jesus" , or "pray in the public places while standing on your feet" ? ... but we pray to Jesus ,and we don't think God -ever merciful -would condemn to hell those who pray on their feet in public places because we understand the mysteries of Christianity which maybe strange to some persons and non Christians the same way it is difficult for non Catholics to understand Holy Mary's mother of God and intercessory divine status , or why a St Peter can loose or bind anything on earth and in heaven since he is not God; or why Christ would use in his parable the example of Samaritans and not Pharisees to drive home his message of love and brotherhood ; or why Jesus would drink and wine with sinners , or what He was saying by 'John baptised you with water but i will baptise with fire and spirit' , or what Cornelius would imply by ' this is water( not stream or a River Jordan) baptise me or what are you waiting for" ; or from where Lazarus was brought back to life after been death for days when it has been said" after death judgement".
Let God judge us poor sinners ,Mr Pentecostal.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:17am On Jul 31, 2017

Thanks for the input brother, 'Yes' we are all one with Christ as the Word stands.
The stories I have read on this forum in the past, until now-it amazes me how many different religions, we both have written too, who claim to know Christ-the JW's, and the Roman Catholic's, and how much of these two line up with each other, with no dealt.
Half truth believers, who think there religions will save the world. Having everybody other then Christ Himself, to be mediators-or saviours.

johnw74:
yes bro there is a time yet future when all who have died in Christ, and when those still alive will be caught up to Christ, and will some time after that sit on Christ's throne even as He sit's on His Fathers throne,
it sounds crowded but it's a metaphor meaning we will all be one, the saved in Christ and Christ in the Father

(1Th 4:16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(1Th 4:17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Heb_8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

mary will be among those believers that will be granted to sit on Christ's throne
-be one with Christ,
as Christ was granted to sit on Fathers throne, the one and the same throne as u pointed out

neither mary or anyone else sit's on Christs throne with Him at this time
pius 1X and rcc are wrong

roman catholicism has both Jesus and mary sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high
and Hebrews was quoted as reference

hebrews has only Jesus sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high, and not mary

pius 1X signature is appropiate: in Bull Ineffabilis

Bull further says: mary a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection

they leave Christ completely out of it, they will have their reward

@underline, ha ha more unbibical rubbish

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:34am On Jul 30, 2017*

The Catholic's had given Mary the shorter end of the stick-Jesus said: He who overcomes, sits with Jesus on His Throne.
{Revelation 3:20} He who overcomes" I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcome and sat down with My Father on His Throne.
Which means, there's no other throne, only "One Right Throne, where Jesus and God sits-Mary wouldn't be sitting beside the Throne of Jesus-she would be sitting on His Throne with God and all the saints.

Ubenedictus:
You cant even admit when you are wrong, it shows you arent even sincere.

Carm lied that the pope says Mary sins at the right hand of the majesty on high whereas the pope clearly says Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high while Mary sits at Jesus right hand.

Is that the same thing Or you guys just enjoy lying about the catholic Church.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:00am On Jul 30, 2017

{Psalm 69:8} Blows Mary and Jesus's half brothers and sisters out of the water, it's interesting.

johnw74:
dictus, u rc's say mary is forever a virgin,
there are many verses showing u 2 be wrong,
and i have seen how u don't believe them and twist God's Inspired word,
which is calling God a liar

psalm 69 is a messianic psalm and Jesus quoted it twice concerning Himself

(Psa 69:4) They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

(Psa 69:5) O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

(Psa 69:6) Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel.

(Psa 69:7) Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face.

(Psa 69:8] I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

(Psa 69:9) For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Joh 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
Joh 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

I am become an alien to my mothers children

God's word shows in many places that mary had other children,
it is so clear, and yet rc's twist and lie, giving those verses different meanings,
as they do with all Bible verses that show their doctrines to be satanic.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:20am On Jul 30, 2017*

I am on my way" and on my return, I will stop on the net-seriously you aren't expecting me to change my verdict-do you actually believe, for one second, I would change God's doctrine, for the Vaticans?
We already know if I cant get any sense out from you-then it isn't my worth while trying to get any sense out from a priest.
You both follow that same doctrine, that isn't scriptural, "So good bye...

emmanuelex1:
You are on your way, Keep lying to your self. You just enjoy argument even when you are ignorant of the subject matter. Before explaining the subject matter then to you and your friends who insulted me for delaying my explanation due to your inability to type the full recitation I requested. This is how you and your friends create argument online and stay online insulting people. If you want to truly change the doctrine go to Vatican or visit catholic priest close to you to discuss it. I wont message you again.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:17am On Jul 30, 2017

Babacele:
Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:51am On Jul 30, 2017

I am on my way..But I believe it won't do me any good-asking another priest-when Jesus said: we are all priest in the kingdom of God.
And if you can't answer the questions-then asking another-wouldn't be worth my trip.
You all believe in that same false doctrine that doesn't line up with the Word of God.

emmanuelex1:
START TREKING

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:53pm On Jul 29, 2017*

Uben the problem is-having access to the net-opens up a new door way-most everyone on this planet have inputted some sort of information somewhere, where people like myself can find-its a matter of pushing the right buttons.
If we were to find information about the Catholic Church-we don't waste our time asking a priest-we already know what sort of responds we will retrieve from he/she, and plus why ask a another priest, when the word of God say's, we are all priest, and if we are priest-then I am asking you Uben.
And because you don't believe any of this is true-obviously you are protecting your beloved Church! This is common throughout the globe-we all protect our beliefs.
I and Johnw74 protect the written Word of God-where in your case, you don't, you protect another doctrine, one that does not line up with the Word of God, you would rather protect Mary the saints and the Pope, before you would protect God, as it stands.
But yet you call yourselves Christians-like the JW's the Mormons do-and every other religion out there, who only believe in half truths, about the written Word of God.
So it isn't worth getting yourselves worked up, over nothing-we match everyday Johnw74 and myself are solders protecting our belief's, our God the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ubenedictus:
so if a toyota car is very faulty the right thing to do is read about it from innoson abi?

That again is silly logic.

When you wish to critique something you hold it to yourself to atleast read the material you are critiquing, you cant critique carl max if you have not read his work.

You cant objectively critique the Catholic Church by reading matt slick. Start from the beginning if you are truly unbiased and objective. Read up from the Church what she teaches then you can Start critiquing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:14pm On Jul 29, 2017*

It all depends if those people were saved? But the Word of God still stands, it doesn't give us any authority to pray to dead saints already in heaven.
If they are part of the Church of God-we haven't the authority to pray "TO" them, or pray "THROUGH" them-nor have we received any authority from the Lord "TO" ask the saints in heaven to pray for us on Earth.
Jesus said: we must pray "TO" the Father in Heaven-and pray for "EACH" other, still living.

Ubenedictus:
The question remains, as the saints in heavy members of the body of Christ Or does death remove people from Christ?

It is a simple question Stop dodging It.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:01pm On Jul 29, 2017*

We could argue this point all day long Uben-but you can't beat history-it's the past-unless you have a time machine.

Ubenedictus:
This again shows your ignorance , tyndale bible was translated from the greek manuscripts compiled by Erasmus. This is a verifiable.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:58pm On Jul 29, 2017*

The Word of God say's we are all priest-so what good is it, to me, to see another priest?
Uben this is what, I like about you, you prefer to run away, rather then act upon the answers.
Again you are pushing this topic further away-because you know-yourself you can't answer the questions-and you haven't the evidence to back up your theories.

Ubenedictus:
i would have offered a rebuttal but i have already advised you to see a priest. Do well to the us how it went.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:57pm On Jul 29, 2017*

{Psalm 110:1-2}The Lord said to my Lord, sit at My right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool.
Sorry: still there's "No Mary.

Ubenedictus:
it actually is in the bible, gleaned from psalm, but since i am unwilling to continue a rather unproductive argument, i'll rather ask that write it down and add it to the issues you wish to ask a priest.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:43pm On Jul 29, 2017*

It really wouldn't do me any good asking a priest-I don't believe your doctrine even exist. Thanks anyway.
There is information flying in all directions over the net, plus I have seen with my own eye's-the twist and the turns you Catholic's have shown, your disbelief towards God's Word, stands-so talking with another priest wouldn't make a difference, he/she will fill me in, with the unscriptural knowledge, just like you do.
And if you don't believe, neither will the priest believe.

Ubenedictus:
visit a priest and ask him these questions .

Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 5:02am On Jul 29, 2017

So I have sent the fee to the Vatican, what do I do next.

emmanuelex1:
Sorry you can trek to vatican

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:53am On Jul 29, 2017

This is a true statement.

johnw74:
because the rcc has many unbibical lies in it's teachings

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:18am On Jul 29, 2017*

"Really" it seems you Catholic's haven't been taught anything about the bible, or any of the verses written in it.
Praying to Mary and other dead saints is not biblical, and praying to anyone other then God is idolatry, nor to bow down to a statue or a painting, and bow down to them, is evil, and it's forbidden in scripture.
When confronting the Catholic's they say, they don't pray to them, but we ask them to pray for us {We all have spoken with Catholic's, and of course they had agreed they pray directly to Mary}
Nowhere in scripture does it say pray to dead saints, Nowhere in scripture does it say ask dead saints to pray for you. Nowhere does it say that people in heaven will pray for people on Earth.
Live Christians on Earth can pray for you, but dead people will not pray to God for you, and we can't find any passages to justify this.
And the question is, why pray to the dead-when you can pray to straight to God?
It's a evil and terrible thing to pray to Mary, but Catholic's seem to worship Mary-more then they do Jesus.
The Lord will not share His Glory with anyone, but the Catholic's will do all what they can do, to justify rebellion, but the truth is Catholicism will continual to put many people on the road to Hell.

The Salve Regina {hail Holy Queen} is Blaspheme.
[Hail Holy Queen Mother, Mother of Mercy, our life our sweetness and our hope}
To thee do we cry, poor banished Children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in the valley of tears. Turn then most gracious advocate, thine eye's of mercy towards us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus O clement, O loving, O sweet, Virgin Mary!"

Catholic's we have one mediator, and this is Jesus.
{1 Timothy 2:5} There is One God, and one mediator between God and man, the messiah Jesus.
{Hebrews 7:25} Wherefore He is able also to save them, to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lived to make intersession for them.
{John 14:13-14} And whatsoever you shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father maybe glorified in His Son, if you shall ask anything in My name I will do it.

Prayer is worship, "The angel said: "No" worship God, not me, "Peter said: get up.
{Revelation 19:10} hen I bowed down at the angels feet to worship him, but he said: to me, do not worship me, for I am a servant, like you, and your brothers and sisters who have the message about Jesus, Worship God, because the message about Jesus is the Spirit that gives all prophesy.
{Acts 10:25-26} When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell at Peters feet and worship him, but Peter helped him up, saying, "stand up" I too am only a human.

Mary idolatry in the Catholic Church.
{2 chronicles 33:15} And he took away the strange god's, and the idol out of the house of the Lord, and all the altars that he had built in the mount of the house of the Lord, and in Jerusalem and cast them out of the city.
{Leviticus 26:1} Ye shall make you no idols nor graven images, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall you set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it, for I am the Lord your God.

The Scripture never ever say's pray to dead people, or ask dead people to pray for you.
{Matthew 6:9} Pray like this-Our Father in Heaven hallowed be thy name.
{Philippians 4:6} Be careful for nothing, but with everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your request known unto God.
{Lamentations 3:40-41} Let us test and examine our ways, and return to the Lord! Let us lift up our hearts and hand to God in Heaven.

Speaking with the dead in scripture is always associated with sorcery.
{Leviticus 20;27} Men and women among you who act as medians or who {Consult the spirits of the dead} Must be put to death by stoning, They are guilty of a capital offence.
{Deuteronomy 18:9-12} When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God given thee, thou shalt not to do after the abominations of those nations, there shalt be not found among you any one that make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that use divination, or a observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or an charmer, or an consulter, with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer, For all that who do these thing are an abomination to the Lord: and because of these abominations, thy Lord your God doth drive them out from before thee.

But here are some reminders for you Catholic's, just in case you do turn yourselves fully over to God.
{John 14:6} Jesus said: to him I am the way and the truth, and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me.
{1 john 4:1} Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, to see weather they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
{Matthew 6:7} And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases, as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their many words.
When I think about it-it would be pretty scary, to find out-on judgement day-I will end up in Hell-because I had chosen Mary, and all the saints to be my mediator's between man and God, instead of Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:07am On Jul 29, 2017

Do you actually believe the Lord is talking about those already in heaven? Wait I will just wake the dead up-since you believe they are still with us-I may have to ask them which direction they are going-before asking for their prayers.
"No" he is not talking about praying to heavenly saints, they can't hear us, but God can, God said: we must pray to Him in heaven, but on earth we are to pray with each other, and God is in the mist of us who are gathered in His name.
Your doctrine doesn't show any evidence it really exist.

Babacele:
We believe in one God Almighty and pray to Him alone directly ,through our clergy and congregation or through the holy people in heaven .

in your futile efforts at destroying Christianity's 2000years + history , seemed you forgot you uttered these words below not long ago?

y brocab: 10:59am
Jesus said pray for one another.
{James 5:15-16} And the prayer
offered in faith will restore the
sick. The Lord will raise him up, if
he had sinned, he will be forgiven.
Therefore confess your sins to
each other, and pray for each
other, so that you may be healed,
the prayer of a righteous man has
great power to prevail..

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:38am On Jul 29, 2017

Can us sinners pray for you too?
Is Donald duck and Micky Mouse praying for you. I can see now, why you don't have enough room in your prayer time-to serve God.

blackbriar:
Lord, have mercy on us.
CHRIST, have mercy on us.
LORD, have mercy on us.
CHRIST, hear us.
CHRIST, graciously hear us.
GOD, THE FATHER OF HEAVEN, have mercy on us.
GOD THE SON, REDEEMER OF THE WORLD, have mercy on us.
GOD THE HOLY GHOST, have mercy on us.
HOLY TRINITY, ONE GOD, have mercy on us.
HOLY MARY, pray for us.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, pray for us.
HOLY VIRGIN OF VIRGINS, pray for us.
ST. MICHAEL, pray for us.
ST. GABRIEL, pray for us.
ST. RAPHAEL, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY ANGELS AND ARCHANGELS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY ORDERS OF BLESSED SPIRITS, pray for us.
ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST, pray for us. ST. JOSEPH, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, pray for us.
ST. PETER, pray for us.
ST. PAUL, pray for us.
ST. ANDREW, pray for us.
ST. JAMES, pray for us.
ST. JOHN, pray for us.
ST. THOMAS, pray for us.
ST. JAMES, pray for us.
ST. PHILIP, pray for us.
ST. BARTHOLOMEW, pray for us.
ST. MATTHEW, pray for us.
ST. SIMON, pray for us.
ST. THADDEUS, pray for us.
ST. BARNABAS, pray for us.
ST. LUKE, pray for us.
ST. MARK, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY APOSTLES AND EVANGELIST, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY DISCIPLES OF OUR LORD, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY INNOCENTS, pray for us.
ST. STEPHEN, pray for us.
ST. LAWRENCE, pray for us.
ST. VINCENT, pray for us.
SS. FABIAN AND SEBASTIAN, pray for us.
SS. JOHN AND PAUL, pray for us.
SS. COSMOS AND DAMIAN, pray for us.
SS. GERVASE AND PROTASE, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY MARTYRS, pray for us.
ST. SYLVESTER, pray for us.
ST. GREGORY, pray for us.
ST. AMBROSE, pray for us.
ST. AUGUSTINE, pray for us.
ST. JEROME, pray for us.
ST. MARTIN, pray for us.
ST. NICHOLAS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY BISHOPS AND CONFESSORS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY DOCTORS, pray for us.
ST. ANTHONY, pray for us.
ST. BENEDICT, pray for us.
ST. BERNARD, pray for us.
ST. DOMINIC, pray for us.
ST. FRANCIS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY PRIEST AND LEVITES, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY MONKS AND HERMITS, pray for us.
ST. MARY MAGDALEN, pray for us.
ST. AGATHA, pray for us.
ST. LUCY, pray for us.
ST. AGNES, pray for us.
ST. CECILIA, pray for us.
ST. CATHERINE, pray for us.
ST. ANASTASIA, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY VIRGINS AND WIDOWS, pray for us.
ALL YE MEN AND WOMEN, SAINTS OF GOD, make intercession for us.
BE MERCIFUL, spare us, O Lord!
BE MERCIFUL, graciously hear us, O Lord!
FROM ALL EVIL, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM ALL SIN, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THY WRATH, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM A SUDDEN AND UNPROVIDED DEATH, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THE DECEITS OF THE DEVIL, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM ANGER, HATRED, AND ALL ILL WILL, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THE SPIRIT OF FORNICATION, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM LIGHTNING AND TEMPEST, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THE SCOURGE OF EARTHQUAKE, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM PESTILENCE, FAMINE, AND WAR, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM EVERLASTING DEATH, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THE MYSTERY OF THY HOLY INCARNATION, O Lord, Deliver us.
THROUGH THY COMING, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY NATIVITY, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY BAPTISM AND HOLY FASTING, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY CROSS AND PASSION, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY DEATH AND BURIAL, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY HOLY RESURRECTION, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THINE ADMIRABLE ASCENSION, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THE COMING OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE PARACLETE, O Lord, deliver us.
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, We Sinners beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST SPARE US, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST PARDON US, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO BRING US TO TRUE PENANCE, We Beseech Thee hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GOVERN AND PRESERVE THY HOLY CHURCH.... We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO PRESERVE OUR APOSTOLIC PRELATE AND ALL ECCLESIASTICAL ORDERS IN HOLY RELIGION. We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO HUMBLE THE ENEMIES OF THY HOLY CHURCH, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCH SAFE TO GIVE PEACE AND TRUE CONCORD TO CHRISTIAN KINGS AND PRINCES, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GRANT PEACE AND UNITY TO ALL CHRISTIAN PEOPLE, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO BRING BACK TO THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH ALL THOSE WHO HAVE STRAYED AWAY, AND LEAD TO THE LIGHT OF THE GOSPEL ALL UNBELIEVERS, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO CONFIRM AND PRESERVE US THY HOLY SERVICE, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST LIFT UP OUR MINDS TO HEAVENLY DESIRES, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST RENDER ETERNAL BLESSINGS TO ALL OUR BENEFACTORS, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST DELIVER OUR SOULS AND THOSE OF OUR BRETHREN, RELATIVE, AND BENEFACTORS FROM ETERNAL DAMNATION, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GIVE AND PRESERVE THE FRUITS OF THE EARTH, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GIVE ETERNAL REST TO ALL THE FAITHFUL DEPARTED, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE GRACIOUSLY TO HEAR US, We beseech Thee, hear us.

SON OF GOD, We beseech Thee, hear us.
LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKEST AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, Spare us, O Lord.
LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKEST AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, Graciously hear us, O Lord.
LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKEST AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, Have mercy on us.
CHRIST, HEAR US.......
CHRIST, GRACIOUSLY HEAR US.......
LORD, HAVE MERCY ON US.......
CHRIST, HAVE MERCY ON US.......
LORD, HAVE MERCY ON US.......

Our Father, etc, (In Secret.)
V- And Lead Us Not Into Temptation.
R- But Deliver Us From Evil.

Psalm LXIX

Incline unto my aid, O God.
O Lord, make haste to help me.
Let them be confounded and ashamed that seek my soul.
Let them be turned backward and blush for shame that desire evils to me.
Let them be presently turned away blushing for shame that say to me, "Tis well, 'tis well."
Let all that seek Thee rejoice and be glad in Thee; and let such as love Thy salvation say always, The Lord be magnified. But I am needy and poor: O God, help me.
Thou art my helper and my deliverer; O Lord, make no delay.

Glory Be To The Father, etc.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:16am On Jul 29, 2017

Explain why do we need money-to see another Christian? Isn't the Vatican free-for all man kind?
It's always the same-with you Catholic's-you don't mind given it out-but when the heat comes back-you ran away.
It's always the same 'old story-you expect people to believe in your Gospel-but you can't show the evidence in bible history, that your doctrine really exist.
You claim to know the bible-but your doctrine isn't found in any of the scriptures, and your information about Praying "to" Mary, or praying "through" Mary-isn't seen in any of the other books the Church had taken out of the bible..
From the stone age-we now have everything written down on paper-from a signature to a camera-everything these day's have to be proven, given in evidence, before people believe it's true.
We have been kindly asking each of you-if you can prove some evidence' your doctrine is true and correct?
And please leave your abuse, outside the door.

emmanuelex1:
Please save some money and visit the Vatican to correct what you called lies. Stop mentioning me again, I chose to stop disusing with you guys
because of your insults. I gave gave you the explanation you wanted then, now you bring up another. Please save some money and visit the Vatican to correct what you called lies. I am busy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:53pm On Jul 28, 2017

Uben "Jesus had always separated Himself away from legalism-this is why Jesus had given us this message-He said: One must become born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
Uben-it is the Catholic's who always believed, they are the head of every Church-but the question we all should be asking is-are they truly saved?
Jesus made a point about Baptism-He had chosen to knee down-allowing John the Baptist to Baptise Him.
You may believe you are saved Uben-but if this is true-then by your fruit we will know you-but we don't, you speak another gospel, one that speaks legalism, that involves around you and your Church.
Yes I do know what books are missing from the bible-and what books the Catholic Church had kept hidden away from the world-and I also know-Tyndale was burnt to the stake by the Catholic Church, because he had a heart for the people-which the Church didn't have-Tyndale had rewritten the bible from Latin to every language around the world, which of course this took away the power the Church believed they had.
Tyndale and his partners wrote the 1611 KJ which of course holds the many missing manuscripts the Church tried to hide away from the public.
But now the internet is open, and we can now find all the information we need.

Ubenedictus:
hope you know it was the Church that decided what books are part of the bible and which Isn't. You claim the Church is all pagan not born again that means your news testament is equally pagan.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:48pm On Jul 28, 2017*

Which Church? Since the Catholic Church had separated themselves from the world.

Ubenedictus:
This was the question kindly answer it.

Babacele :
So holy people in heaven are not part of the
church?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:47pm On Jul 28, 2017

Please Uben explain-where is it written in the bible-Mary is sitting on her Sons right side of the throne.

Ubenedictus:
You wont read the correct document but you are happy to quote him out of context.

That is bias, sorry.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:44pm On Jul 28, 2017

Then the history must be wrong-while you Uben are right.

Ubenedictus:
tyndale bible was translated from the gate bible compilation of fr erasmus. Nobody was hiding the bible.

Church the date tyndale was killed and the date the anglican Church was decleared.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:55am On Jul 28, 2017

Praying to saints in heaven has no biblical base, the bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray-to heavenly saints.
[Hebrews 4:16} Tells us we believers on Earth can approach the throne of Grace with confidence.
Which means we don't need the saints in heaven to pray for us-we can go straight to God ourselves.
We know you Catholic's argue over the fact-praying to the saints is no-different then praying to someone living on Earth.
So I am happy to give you, your answer-praying to heavenly saints isn't biblical...

Babacele:
So holy people in heaven are not part of the church?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:14am On Jul 28, 2017

You said it, as clear as it sounds-you believe Jesus had original sin, also called ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin, resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
This is what you are pointing Jesus too-calling Jesus a sinner-because He was born through a sinner, Mama Mary.

blackbriar:
what are you saying??
please read carefully what i said.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:10am On Jul 28, 2017

Babacele:
God talks to all manner of persons irrespective of creeds ,tongue and place in everyday and everyway : through holy writings, prophets,or directly. He is a universal love that cannot be appropriated by any group whose existence is so recent and has benefited from the synthetic evolution of different cultures and efforts in man's movement towards God. Right now, God is deliberately sending babies to be born in different homes with different tongues,color and creed.

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