obasijoy: @Gloriagee thanks for your contribution but a child is only a bastard if the mother doesn't know her child's dad. Thank God there is DNA. she most not sleep with two different men. She can date a particular guy and give birth for the guy and also let the guy know she has his baby. The reason is just for her kid to know his or her origin. It pains me whenever I see pretty rich ladies without husband or kids. I believe that one of the primary reason we are in this world is to have kids. Someone to remember us with when we die, they also keep the generation going.

we heard you the first time

plaetton: The book of revelation is not taken seriously by sane people. It has always been a favourite for mad and semi-mad people. It was almost discarded during the gospel selection process by father Eusebius and his crew.

As written in the book itself, it was probably written by a man under the influence of hallucinegenic drugs.
It can be given hundreds of different interpretations, depending on how sane or insane one is.

AHHHH BUT YOU ERR MY DEAR FRIEND. YOU ERR. the book of revelation cannot be given different interpretations. it is event specific and era specific and is chronologically accurate. the specificity is impeccable. what you call insane ? is viewed that way by intelligence-challenged people.

rolaake: Thanks Gloriagee but you are obviously a Christinan and missinformed.

I am not and will NEVER EVER again[/i] be a christian. Research the bases of you faith, one that came many thousands years before that which of your fore father's. The in brought to Africa by those who took your forefathers slavery.... you believe in their[i] god. I believe in what as proven to work and manifest and was around at thee inception of earth not come white man's faith to indoctrinate and emasculate their people, victims and followers. A faith with a 'men-made' manuscript / book of 'doctrines' aka 'The Holy Bible', that empowers men but deameans and constrain women. I can say much more but that is up to you to discover on your own.

My advise to you, don't waste your life living and waiting on EMPTY PROMISES.

SAYS THE WOMAN WHO IS WAITING ON THE EMPTY PROMISE OF A BABALAWO AND MAMALAWO

plaetton:

He he he.
Since you mentioned it, I have always wanted to ask, what is the difference between praying and praying hard?
Kindly explain.

one has four extra letters at the end of it H-A-R-D

rolaake: Buzugee, you don't really believe I will fall for this do you? I mean there so many things wrong with your statement that I won't even bother listing it because I am sure you too know what they are.

AM FOR REAL. DO YOU WANT THE ACCOUNT NUMBER HUNNY ?

PAGAN 9JA:


he is not talking about money making schemes so stop advertising your failed religion.

and there is no such thing as "Mamalawos". Ifa priestesses are called Iyanifa.

DIDNT YOU GET BORN AGAIN RECENTLY ? WHAT ARE YA, INDECISIVE ? LOL

obasijoy: Please I want to know where some topics or things that has been happening in this world is written in the Holy Bible. Though me personally, I haven't come across them in the bible so does that mean God knows all this will/must happen?

1)Having a baby out of wedlock .
2)Having kids from different men.
3)A married woman having kids by another man for her husband.
Etc.

All this things happens everyday in the world. But I haven't seen where they are written in the bible. Though God said avoid fornication and adultery.

To me, if not civilization that enlighten our brains and brought pills, condom, birth control etc any woman that made love to any man during her ovulation period must be pregnant for him.

God doesn't support abortion.*thou shall not kill*
And He still said* go to the world and multiple*
*children are the inheritance from the Lord*

Why I'm asking this ? Is b/c I see a lot of women approaching 40/45 without husband and kids. Is it not better for those ladies to have kids at least and make sure the know the biological father of their kids and also let the man know too than dying without achieving anything in this world. At least have something they will be remembered with. They joy she will get from her kids may even make her live longer than living like an island.

Please where is giving birth out of wedlock written in the Holy Bible? Thanks.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GIVING BIRTH OUT OF WEDLOCK. WHOMEVER YOU HAVE S-EX WITH IS YOUR HUSBAND. S-EX IS THE MARRIAGE SEAL IN GODS EYES. SO IF YOU SLEEP WITH SOMEONE AND DONT MARRY THEM ? THAT IS FORNICATION. EXODUS 22 VS 16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sex with her, he must pay the customary bride price and marry her.

IF YOU ARE NOT A VIRGIN ? THEN THE PERSON WHO DISVIRGINED YOU WAS YOUR HUSBAND AND WHOMEVER YOU SLEPT WITH AFTER THAT ? YOU WERE COMMITTING ADULTERY.

HOWEVER WE ARE IN THE TIME OF GRACE AND LOTS OF PEOPLE DONT KNOW THIS BUT YOU KNOW IT NOW CUZ I HAVE TOLD YOU.

ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION WITHOUT SEX ? HMMMM THATS DEMONIC. GOD DID NOT SET THINGS UP LIKE THAT. SO WHOMEVER NOT BE FOR ME IS AGAINST ME

BUT HEY ? PRAY HARD AND HOPEFULLY IT ALL WORKS OUT FOR YOU

DUNNO DUDE. I HAVE NEVER FASTED IN MY LIFE

Ileke-IdI:
A straightforward reading of Genesis 3 and 4 would lead one to believe that Eve's first children were Cain and Abel, born outside the Garden, after the Fall. This would not be a problem except for one word in Genesis 3:16...


“I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth."

In older translations, the word sharpen is translated as increase. God is telling Eve that the discomfort of bearing children will be worse

THE GARDEN OF EDEN IS ACTUALLY THE WHOLE WORLD ( THE EARTH ). WHEN IT SAYS THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN, IT IS A METAPHORICAL STATEMENT WHICH MEANS THEY WERE KICKED INTO SUFFERING. THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF COMFORT INTO DISCOMFORT. KICKED OUT OF JOLLOFMENT INTO 'SHUFFERING AND SMILING'
AND ANIMALS WERE NOT PUNISHED. WATCH AN ANIMAL GIVE BIRTH. THEY JUST KICK THE BABIES OUT WITH NO PAIN AND THEN UP AND LEAVE AND CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING ( EXCUSE ME FOR SCREAMING. I LOVE THESE CAPITAL FONTS )

ijawkid:

Sorry if we sound kinda vehement....

Now if u want we could discuss on the seven spirits of God mentioned in revelation....revelation itself tells us who those spirits are.....they are angels.......

But as regards the holy spirit is it an angel or is it God or is it even a person......

I would love if we all go back to consider the greek and hebrew word that is translated to holy spirit or the spirit of God.......

Thanks....

And sorry once again for[b] sounding a lil violent[/b]....it sometimes makes. D discussion fun......:-)

Ijawkid the violent man. i got a lil scripture for that. PSALMS 18 VS 48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

this book describes the events of the world from the inception to the end. it talks about the 4 empires that have been on earth ( babylonian, medio persian, greek and roman ), talks about the 1st and 2nd world war and impending 3rd world war, talks about the dark ages in europe, talks about the european rennaisance, talks about the building and emergence of america as a superpower, talks about the emergence of europe as a world power, talks about how black people got to west africa, talks about the transatlantic slavery, talks about how america will influence the world with its democracy, talks about how countries will be put under sanctions iff they do not embrace american democracy, talks about how american culture pervades the whole world, talks about how blacks will be oppressed in america, talks about the eventual destruction of america by europe china russia and iran who will all gang up together and throw nukes in america after they finally get tired of americas bullcrap, etc etc. all of this is in the book of revelation. and you think this aint real ? yall slipping. yall on a slippery slope.

diluminati:
no matter how you try to dribble it, he is at best imaginary,all in your head. No argument on earth can refute that except you have seen him land on mount sinai with your eyes not spirit eyes or dream things. Man always try to tag events and stuffs to explain God but he is still imaginary.

actually he is not imaginary. he is described in the bible in the book of daniel as a black man with a white afro ( kinda like wole soyinka )

no thread for argentina nigeria basketball ? its on right now

Ihedinobi: Let me explain something to both you guys, Ijawkid and Buzugee. I made an opening statement. It indicated my intentions for the thread. There is no law that says anyone must answer the post. I appreciate it when anyone does, but once they do, they're morally obligated to stay within the bounds of the discussion.

I have said that if it were necessary I am prepared to show that the Scriptures take the concept of the Trinity of God for granted. That necessity will exist when it becomes logical and obligatory for me to present a better explanation than the one offered by the holder of a position I disagree with.

Neither of you two have defined a position and explained it reasonably such that I can reject it and come under necessity to producte a better answer than it. Why then do you ask me questions? It is only right that you answer mine which opened the thread.

Again, what are your positions, both of you, and how do you answer the difficulties I have pointed out? If I disagree with your answers, I will be reasonably compelled to offer mine to your own questions.

ok so i just read your question very well and i will say i give up. seems like one of those questions that requires answers based on conjectures and assumptions and innuendos and personal opinions. i deal in pure sound doctrine. questions relating to pure biblical verses. as such i will have to dip out of this question. preciate you though

rolaake: Where are most of this people? How do you find them? And how do you know which one is legit?

i know one but he gets paid before consultation. he is very good. can i send you my bank account number ? when i recieve payment i will give to him and have him consult with you.

ijawkid:

What is ur take on verse 8 of that 1 john chapter 5.....

And[b] sorry if it sounded as if I and buzu were insultive.[/b]....

What do u have to say about the holy spirit also being one with blood and water....

Remember the scriptures explains itself....

i thought i was quite polite actually. then again i have not quite won any pulitzer prize for my manners yet

Ihedinobi: Ijawkid and buzugee, I hope that you two will get done blowing hot air at some point and set about taking a stand and defending it from the Bible. So far all I've seen is a lot of insult and abuse hurled at a position you don't like not an argument of any sort to invalidate it.

And when you go with there's no word such as "trinity" in the Bible to attack the concept, you're not making an argument. You're just making an excuse not to do any intellectual work. My request was for commenters to use their heads to come up with Scriptural arguments for their position.

I have named the difficulties in the defined categories. Pick your category and solve the difficulties associated with it then your comments will have served some useful purpose.

seems like you are the one blowing hot air. you did not bring out one scripture to prove to us why you believe in the trinity. you just pretty much vomited your own vain opinions. if you started the question by quoting the scripture that supports your belief in trinity, then your post would have made sense. right now your question is a pile of kaka. so please quote scriptures of trinity so we can at least pretend to take you serious

ijawkid:

Let us assume that,that verse did exist in d original text,it still does not support or even mean d trinity...

Verse 8 tells us that blood,water and spirit(that same spirit that is in verse 7 mr anony quoted) are also one.....

is blood and water also part of a trinity or do they form a trinity??



I ask trinitarians this question a lot...

Meanwhile buzu bobo good explanation.....

you know what it is ? some people are mental hoarders. they find it difficult to let go of mistakes learnt from the past. they probably went to catholic church and heard the demonic trinity doctrine. and ever since then they cant do their own bible study to see that this is rubbish doctrine. and they just hold on to the past errors and perpetuate it from generation to generation.

afam4eva:
Chei, Nigerian can sabi twist scripture. Lol. I wonder why Peter's own was an issue if it was not by lips but by deeds. If you really believe in Jesus then you won'tr mind taking a couple of bullets for his sake.

peter went on from the episode and still went on living a holy life. he did not deny christ by his deeds. just his lips. he was as cunning as a serpent but harmless as a dove. had he not denied christ he would have been killed and all the works he did would not have been done. you have to remember that christ did not admonish him for the denial. he simply stated that you will deny me 3 times. so it was not held against him. now had he denied christ with his deeds, that would have been a different matter.

Mr_Anony: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one 1John 5:7 KJV.

Now that's a bit of scripture for you guys. Can we now get down to the bible and start discussing properly without shouting all over the place?

what you quoted is not talking about the trinity. what that means is that your deeds are monitored by the father, the holy spirit in you and the word ( which is the spirit of christ ). so these are the 3 things that store up your deeds. they are one in that they all record mans deeds.

its like how you have 3 score boards recording one game. they are a unit because they are recording the same game but they are 3 different separate things.

ijawkid:

Thanks my brother...

How can we be deliberÀting on some crap set up on paganism??....

Trinity,trinity,trinity but that wonderful word does nt even exist in d scriptures(I knw sometimes trinitarians wish d word was sneakÉd into d latin vulgate)...

How can a doctrine which is central tÓ true worship not be found in the bible but Ónly in some man made creeds....

Then what the hell are we to deliberate on??....

just a lil whilÉ from now they'll run around celebrating the birthday of Jesus,Yahweh and d holyspirit joined together on decem.ber 25th just as pagans. From whom the triune .doctrine was .borrowed. From always do..........

i have never seen the word before in the bible. dunno where all these nut jobs come up with the demonic doctrine

ijawkid:

Oboy hw far?

Long time

YEAH LOL. BEING IN OTHER SECTIONS DISCUSSING OLYMPICS BASKETBALL.

Jerry2i: who cares if u do?mtchewwwww.the doctrine of d Blessed Trinity is mystery dat u can't n will neva understand,except by His divine wisdom.

MORE LIKE THE DOCTRINE OF BEELZEBUB

dh'c:
Thank GOD there's lyf in between and whosoever walks in this light will have everlasting life(Rom 8:18)

AMEN.

plaetton: The notion of a perfect and omnipotent creator designing and fashioning the universe, should at minimum, guarantee a perfect an orderly functioning of the creator's most valuable flagship product,man.

Apparently, that is not case. Just like a badly made product,the human product is beset with all manners of disfuctions and malfuctions, and without any reset or reboot buttons.

left untreated, a simple bodily malfunction can lead to a gradual degeneration and inevitable death.

This begs the question of how can a perfect omnipotent creator be credited with so much design flaws?

However, from an evolutionary point of view, disease, disfunction and malfunction should be expected and makes perfect sense. The trial and error mechanisms of ceaseless cell divisions are guaranteed to produce errors that manifests in the form of unfavourable genetic mutations.

DISEASES WERE CREATED BY THE LORD FOR PUNISHMENT AND CORRECTION.

FIRST DEATH YOU CAN WORK YOUR WAY OUT OF, SECOND DEATH YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH LOCKED IN TO IT AND CANT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO BEAR IT OUT TILL PENANCE IS REACHED.

FOCUSING ON TRINITY IS DEMONIC AND NOT SCRIPTURAL. THIS IS ROMAN CATHOLIC BULLCRAP. STOP TALKINGGGGG ABOUT TRINITY. NEXT TIME I READ ABOUT TRINITY AGAIN ON NL I PROMISE TO SMASH MY PUTER

WW3

Billyonaire: Let me make this very clear to Americans, I love you guys, the fast cars, the American specs and all the dollars. But when it comes to Business, my doors are open only to Chinese. I dont trust Americans and their covet operations. I hate people playing boss in my own continent. The chinese are down to earth, so suck it up Madam Clinton, your media calls us diseased, poverty stricken people, always living below your dollars, so what they fvck do you need in my continent and why the heck are you advising me on who to do business with? I guess I got no business acumen to know that Chinese are better humanoid species than people whose interest is to kill a man to ra.pe his wife ?

i can relate

suwailad: The only thing we know about God is what we think, can we then say he is imaginary at best explanation?

not exactly. scripture do say ' we are made in the image of God'. GENESIS 1 VS 27
so when you look in the mirror, you are looking at god

afam4eva: We all know that when Peter was asked if he knew Jesus, he said "know" thereby denying Jesus for the fear of being persecuted.

Now, if a gun were pointed atr your forehead and you are asked to denounce Jesus or die. What will you do? Is Jesus worth dieing for for you? Let me hear from you guys.

Abeg, make una talk true.

good question but not practical. denying Jesus is not done by lips but by deeds. so i can easily tell them i will denounce Jesus so i dont get shot. then when they let me go, i will go and carry on my life according to the deeds expected of me from the messiah

scripture do say >>> So be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves. matthew 10 vs 16

jehovah wickedness.