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HealthRe: Coronavirus: Dr. Joe Abah Talks About Nigeria Airport Preparedness Vs. US And UK by CanadaOrBust: 4:55pm On Mar 01, 2020
See this one. Like it is not the same airport I know. If u r willing to part with some money, they will personally carry your bags and escort u like a vip, no matter how sick u r. The most corrupt airport I know, bar none
PoliticsRe: Why Imo Case Is Different From Bayelsa, Ihedioha To Supreme Court by CanadaOrBust:
ultimateprof:
Ihedioha should go and rest because he has nothing convincingly to say. Let him test defeat and feel how it looks. Nonsense!
But alas this is not about Ihedioha. I am neither from SE nor a supporter of Ihedioha. This is about YOU and every other Nigerian. This embarrassment of this judgment diminishes all of us.

How can u tell any Nigerian that lying and cheating does not pay when they can see for themselves that the highest court in the land rewards blatant cheating and forgery??

Different if Uzodinma were already the governor and they did it not want to overheat things. NO, they overruled all lower courts AND INEC itself in order to replace an already 8-month governor with a 4th place finisher, all based on clearly fraudulent documents!
PoliticsRe: Why Imo Case Is Different From Bayelsa, Ihedioha To Supreme Court by CanadaOrBust:
Tareq1105:
You will borrow Ihedioha #100m tomorrow. You want them to review their judgment given last month.

Haven't you heard that even where Supreme Court gave judgement in error, or judgement was given by a Lord Justice just after leaving a beer parlour, that's what the Law is.

We told Lyon he no hear.
This proves u wrong:

Olorunfemi v Asho
This is yet another case in which the Supreme Court took the bold position to set aside its earlier decision. The Supreme Court set aside its judgment delivered in January 8, 1999 on the ground that, it failed to consider the respondents’ cross–appeal before allowing the appellant’s appeal.

Johnson v Lawanson
Coker J.S.C. delivering the court’s judgment held that “when the court is faced with the alternative of perpetuating what it is satisfied is an erroneous decision which was reached per incuriam and will, if followed, inflict hardship and injustice upon the generations in the future or of causing temporary disturbances of rights acquired under such a decision, I do not think we shall hesitate to declare the law as we find it.” The court then ordered that the appeal be re-heard de novo by another panel of Justices of the Supreme Court. Nadio2019


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/02/precedents-when-supreme-court-is-asked-to-reverse-itself/
PoliticsRe: Why Imo Case Is Different From Bayelsa, Ihedioha To Supreme Court by CanadaOrBust: 4:03pm On Mar 01, 2020
bkool7:
You ppl are ridiculous

Did Pdp win the election in Bayelsa?
Yet the SC jettison the people's mandate regardless and gave victory to the loser.
What happened to, " The candidate is only a representative of the party?"
Ameachi never contested but was given victory because his party won and he was the legitimate candidate of the party.
SC will not reverse it's verdict.
Since you people accept the Bayelsa and Zamfara verdict where Pdp clearly lost the people's mandate but was given victory, you ought to accept this too
Imo is not comparable to Bayelsa and Zamfara. Disqualifications are common in politics, per those states.
But in Imo the SC in broad daylight, unabashedly and
blatantly rewarded clear cheating and forgery that even kids can tell is cheating and forgery. What does that say about us as a people? It diminishes each and everyone of us. How can u teach children about not cheating when they can see for themselves that the final court in the land rewards cheating and forgery??

Also, at the very least, it greatly reduces your ability to have a say in who governs u because it allows for any ruling party to “win” any election it wishes, (all they have to do is obtain INEC documents and write any result they wish - which the SC must accept by precedence of this case) which will inevitably lead to a one-party country.
PoliticsRe: Why Imo Case Is Different From Bayelsa, Ihedioha To Supreme Court by CanadaOrBust:
mrphysics:
Stop wasting your time and energy. There's nothing at stake. The supreme court will let you know again that No court on "Earth" will review it's judgement.

Maybe a Canada Court will
Read this and stop making a fool of yourself:

Olorunfemi v Asho
This is yet another case in which the Supreme Court took the bold position to set aside its earlier decision. The Supreme Court set aside its judgment delivered in January 8, 1999 on the ground that, it failed to consider the respondents’ cross–appeal before allowing the appellant’s appeal.

Johnson v Lawanson
Coker J.S.C. delivering the court’s judgment held that “when the court is faced with the alternative of perpetuating what it is satisfied is an erroneous decision which was reached per incuriam and will, if followed, inflict hardship and injustice upon the generations in the future or of causing temporary disturbances of rights acquired under such a decision, I do not think we shall hesitate to declare the law as we find it.” The court then ordered that the appeal be re-heard de novo by another panel of Justices of the Supreme Court.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/02/precedents-when-supreme-court-is-asked-to-reverse-itself/

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PoliticsRe: Why Imo Case Is Different From Bayelsa, Ihedioha To Supreme Court by CanadaOrBust: 3:49am On Mar 01, 2020
kahal29:
Oga no need for plenty talk........ Just dey arrange the 100 million fine una go pay tomorrow
All newspapers in the country are also watching and many have noted what a travesty Imo is. I don’t see how the SC can let the judgment stand and still look Nigerians in the eye:

The following is from the actual summary of trial materials as presented in a major reputable newspaper.
Pay special attention to the bolded.
———————————————-

That Supreme Court Magic Judgment
This Day (Lagos) 17 FEBRUARY 2020

... According to summary of trial materials, no ward collation agent was called to show that at the collation center results were brought from the 388 polling units where the alleged exclusion took place...

The petitioner, rather called 28 polling unit agents who came to identify some of the results tendered by the petitioner from the bar. All the electoral documents were tendered from the bar and thus dumped on the court without anybody giving evidence correlating the contents of the result forms with the tabulation done by the petitioner himself.

Each of the 18 polling unit agents under cross-examination, manifested ignorance of the contents of the documents and never convinced anybody of being present in their claimed polling units...

Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) had in their reply to the petition disowned those result sheets and averred emphatically that NO RESULTS WERE GENERATED from those polling units as elections in those polling units were cancelled by presiding officers as a result of violence, over voting, snatching of electoral materials, etc. The Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) stated that any result from those polling units presented by any of the candidates, in this case, the petitioners, must be fake.

When confronted with the purported result sheets tendered by the petitioners, each of the witnesses admitted as follows:
i. The names and signatures of the Presiding Officers are not well found on those results.
ii. The names and signatures of other party agents did not appear on the result sheets, neither could they mention even one party agent of the other political parties in those booths.
iii. The result sheets do not contain the total number of ballot papers used and number of ballot papers unused or invalid. The scores of political parties are not clear on the face of the documents.


Based on the above, it appears the Supreme Court was desperately working to an answer in favour of the ruling party... and the only opening to do that was to accept the fictitious results of the 388 polling units willy-nilly. And instead of doing substantial justice on the matter, it ended up delivering one of judiciary's greatest infamies which even a kid learning arithmetic can see through. The judgment turned logic on its head, rewrote the basic universal laws of arithmetic and did grave and substantial injury to our democracy and the power of the people to choose who governs them. With this judicial precedent, the Supreme Court has inevitably rubber-stamped political rascality and the judgment could shape our democratic future.

The court has widened the opening which politicians exploit and manipulate to get into elective offices. All one needs to do is to stay somewhere, maybe in one's room, probably with one policeman or so, write one's own results, submit to INEC for counting and if it refuses, don't worry, bid your time till you get to the court. With supreme arrogance, the final court of appeal will recognise the results as legitimate, credible and authentic and pronto, you will be declared duly elected.

...Even more perplexing was the fact that in some of the polling units, voter turnout was more than the registered voters. How is this possible?
In Uzodinma's result sheets, there was no voided vote and only two parties, the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and APC participated and were reflected in the election results of the 388 polling units. Yet, 70 political parties participated in that election and were all reflected in the INEC declared results of other polling units all over the state.
..,Does it mean that other parties such as All Progressives Grand Alliance (APGA), Action Alliance (AA), etc., did not participate in the election in those 388 polling units contrary to INEC's results in other areas of the state?
Why did the result sheets reflect only two parties when so many parties participated in the said election? Apparently, Senator Uzodinma concocted those results that fly in the face of the basic laws of arithmetic and common sense between the PDP and the APC after the fact that the PDP had won the election and he only scored his party a vote figure higher than the PDP vote. The corollary to that is that if it was any other party that was on the cusp of victory, Uzodinma's results would have been between just the APC and that party! Yet our almighty Supreme Court glossed over all these fundamental anomalies in Uzodinma's result sheets which had been rejected by even INEC... and accepted same as authentic.
A further assessment of the result sheets of the disputed 388 polling units showed that the said units are all in the Orlu Senatorial Zone where Uzodinma and the candidate of the Action Alliance Ugwumba Uche Nwosu come from. So even if the 388 polling units were concentrated mostly in Uzodinma's ancestral home, surely, Nwosu who emerged second in the March 9, 2019 election in Imo State and was backed by the incumbent governor at the time, Rochas Okorocha, his father in-law, must have amassed some votes from the units. But these votes were curiously missing, for the simple reason that they forged the results, and very badly at that.
Furthermore, Uzodinma of the APC scored an average of 98% of the total votes cast in the 388 units, whereas he scored an average of 13% in the remaining polling units in the state. How could this be? Why was it that it was only in these 388 units throughout the state that the voter turnout was either more than the registered voters or achieved 98 to 100 percent of the registered voters? Please note that emphasis is NOT on the number of accredited voters which is usually far less than the number of registered voters. Uzodinma's fake results validated by our Supreme Court defy reason. The pattern of the results from the disputed 388 polling units clearly shows the improbability of such an occurrence. And on the basis of the testimony of one policeman, and 28 discredited polling units' agents who gave contradictory statements at trial, the Supreme Court accepted the results.

In declaring Uzodinma governor of Imo State, the Supreme Court simply annulled a valid mandate freely given to an individual and transferred it to another person who came fourth in the election.
PoliticsRe: Why Imo Case Is Different From Bayelsa, Ihedioha To Supreme Court by CanadaOrBust: 3:22am On Mar 01, 2020
kahal29:
Redeem what? Just package 100 million for Hope tomorrow.
Here is what I don’t understand about people like u: Can’t u forget having a sentimental favorite for a second, and just step back and broadly look at what it is u r supporting??
Can’t u see that if this embarrassment of a judgement is let stand it diminishes every Nigerian including you yourself? Because it blatantly rewards clear cheating and forgery that even kids can tell is cheating and forgery. How can u teach children about not cheating when they can see for themselves that the final court in the land rewards cheating and forgery?? Also, at the very least, it greatly reduces your ability to have a say in who governs u because it allows for any ruling party to “win” any election it wishes, which will inevitably lead to a one-party country.

A Supreme Court overrules all lower courts plus INEC in order to replace an 8-month gov with a 4th place finisher, all based on clearly fraudulent documents. And here u are, gloating about it!

Anyway, whatever happens, the leaders of thought in the country and international community are watching the case. They understand what is at stake and have made their positions clear.
————————————————-

Nobel Laureate, Prof. Wole Soyinka, Prof. Pat Utomi, Gen. Abdulsalami Abubakar, leadership of the Nigerian Bar Association, others, to monitor Supreme Court Imo judgement review.

Ihedioha Vs Uzodinma: Civil Society Leaders Urge Supreme Court To Reverse Judgment


BY SAHARAREPORTERS, FEB 11, 2020

Leaders of civil society in Nigeria have asked the Supreme Court to set aside its judgment pronouncing Hope Uzodinma as duly elected governor of Imo State...

The group posited that the court erred in its judgment and faulted the process through which the apex court arrived at the decision.
In the statement signed by Dr Olusegun Awe Obe, the Concerned Leaders of Thought and Conscience in Project Nigeria, highlighted reasons the court should not have pronounced Uzodinma as winner of the election...
PoliticsRe: Supreme Court: PDP Uncovers APC’s Plot To Frustrate Reversal Of Imo Judgment by CanadaOrBust: 1:30am On Mar 01, 2020
obiekunie2:
these are issues bedeviling our country - good men keeping quiet is one of the reasons why we are were we are today.

there is no more time to sit on the fence and be claiming "non-political and non-partisan" the evil may end up affecting each and every one of us in one way or the other.
But it is exactly by being non-partisan that u r able to speak up and call a spade a spade. Imagine if I were APC, how can I say Imo is a travesty and an embarrassment; or if I were PDP how can I say what I think - that Bayelsa punishment is a bit too severe
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust: 1:03am On Mar 01, 2020
IMMORTALGOLD100:
you have answered your question sir .
How?
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust: 1:02am On Mar 01, 2020
neutrotoba:
So did an incident happen in Iran that caused panic all over the world or not?
What has Iran got to do with outbreak of corona??
Look, some people have the gift of premonition but it is not attached to religion. And if they hone that gift, with practice they become quite accurate. Doesn’t mean they are any closer to God than u. Also has nothing to do with wether they are pastor or not
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust: 12:48am On Mar 01, 2020
manduwem:
My Pastor (Apostle Udom) prophesied about outbreak of

strange illness n blindness but what he didn't say was that It wud start from china or something like that (I wunt say what he didn't say). Twas number 9 on his prophecy for 2020. If u wanna watch pls just fast forward to 1hr 38mins mark bc it's an upload of the whole service.
U made me laugh. How is what he said related to corona?? He saw strange illness AND blindness breaking out in THIS country, no mention of it affecting any other country
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust: 12:37am On Mar 01, 2020
teejona:
How many Imams have come out to prophesied? The Imams are busy doing their act of worship and praying for salvation. Before you compare look well. If any Imam come out to talk nonsense in the name of prophecy it is we the muslims that'll expose his evil. Because muslims know the basic foundation of Islam because it is not about what the Imam say, it is about what is in the scripture. And one of such is that no one knows future except Allah.
Wrong. Some people have the gift of premonition but it is not attached to any religion. And if they hone that gift, with practice they become quite accurate
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust: 12:20am On Mar 01, 2020
Fearcom:
There's something called the "gift of a word of knowledge" by the HOLY GHOST. 'a word' in this case means partial knowledge. It can come in the form of saying a particular event will happen but the time and place of fulfillment is hidden. It can also come in the form of saying a time for a particular event to happen without the knowledge of the event itself.
In that case I’m a prophet: a particular event has been revealed to me, but the time and place of fulfillment is hidden - a former president of Nigeria will die. Watch and see, I’d be proved right - what a great prophet I am! Also I foresee an earthquake and a volcanic eruption. And there’d be a terrorist attack this year, so take steps to protect yourself.
PoliticsRe: Supreme Court: PDP Uncovers APC’s Plot To Frustrate Reversal Of Imo Judgment by CanadaOrBust: 9:50pm On Feb 29, 2020
obiekunie2:
salient, deep and insightful comment - but the zoneBs will not understand the implication of th supreme court gaff.
Thanks but I’m really neither political nor partisan, just that this particular judgement goes waaay out of bounds
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust:
adamadwealthy:
You, which one did you see?
Haters like you are suffering from absurd envy and extreme inferiority.
Can’t u see that if prophecy does not have to be specific or have a time frame, then anybody can be a prophet. Also, this type of pandemic is precisely what a prophet would see. Even a non-believer with gift of divination will likely also see it.
Let’s also remember that some pastors have gift for divination that is not related to their being pastor - they’d have that gift wether they are pastors or not.
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust: 9:30pm On Feb 29, 2020
Kokoebapluse:
There is no more prophet on earth, Prophet Muhammad is the last and seal of all prophets,
Depends on how u define prophet
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust:
Smooyis:
Don't judge by mere appearances. God is above all. If He chose not to reveal it to them, does that mean they are not men of God.

You people always look for any slight opportunity to disparage men of God. God is watching you shocked shocked shocked
“Man of God” is a peculiarly Nigerian term. I feel we should all be men of God or at least strive to be. Instead use terms like Pastor, Rev, etc.

As for prophecy, if it does not have to be specific or have a time frame, then anybody can be a prophet. Also, this type of pandemic is precisely what a prophet would see. Even a non-believer with gift of divination will likely also see it.
Let’s also remember that some pastors have gift for divination that is not related to their being pastor - they’d have that gift wether they are pastors or not.
emkz
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust:
“Man of God” is a peculiarly Nigerian term. I feel we should all be men of God or at least strive to be. Use terms like Pastor, Rev, etc. instead of “man of God”

As for prophecy, if it does not have to be specific or have a time frame, then anybody can be a prophet. Also, this type of pandemic is precisely what a prophet would see. Even a non-believer with gift of divination will likely also see it.
PoliticsRe: Supreme Court As Graveyard Of Electoral Mandates (By Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.) by CanadaOrBust: 6:12pm On Feb 29, 2020
charles614:
today i saw clearly where there is re-run in imo state and i saw ihedioha reclaiming his lost mandate.there will be a re-run election in imo state after supreme court review where ihedioha will win the election and reclaim his lost mandate.
Is this a prophesy or an educated prediction?
PoliticsRe: Supreme Court As Graveyard Of Electoral Mandates (By Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.) by CanadaOrBust: 5:53pm On Feb 29, 2020
tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Was Coronavirus Included In 2020 Prophecies? by CanadaOrBust:
tinajohn:
Check prophecy number 7 - suggests he was speaking about coronavirus...
Not at all. He said sicknesses many world leaders are suffering from and have been hiding will finally surface this year. No mention of China or type of illness

If prophecy does not have to be specific or have a time frame, then anybody can be a prophet. Also, this type of pandemic is precisely what a prophet should see. Even a non-believer with gift of divination will likely also see it.

* modified*
Just watched it again. It was not even close. He was talking of illnesses leaders themselves have and have been hiding but will now be exposed that will now make them bed-ridden and many will not make it! Has absolutely nothing to do with corona. You folks should stop being deceptive
HealthRe: New England Journal Of Medcine: COVID-19 Could Be No Worse Than Flu. Pic&link by CanadaOrBust: 3:14pm On Feb 29, 2020
tongue
HealthRe: ‘coronavirus Outbreak Is Getting Bigger’ – Who by CanadaOrBust: 3:05pm On Feb 29, 2020
Na wa
HealthRe: Quarantine Yourselves If You Notice Symptoms Of Coronavirus- Governors Forum by CanadaOrBust: 3:01pm On Feb 29, 2020
franchasng:
Nigerian weather is too hot for coronavirus to survive and spread like in other western and Asian countries.

Coronavirus cannot survive for more than 5 seconds outside human body to infect the next person because the virus will die under Nigeria's hot weather before it can infect another.


The only medium it can use to spread and infect people is through direct fluid contact like sex, kissing, pre-intimacy and maybe hugging.

Coronavirus cannot survive under Nigerian hot weather
I sincerely hope u r right.
Scientists in the house, what’s the science on
This?
Also maybe it won’t be able to kill West Africans like malaria
HealthRe: Italy Has Spread Coronavirus To 11 Countries So Far (info Graphic) by CanadaOrBust: 2:31pm On Feb 29, 2020
afroniger:
Hello, what are you talking about? At the last count, America has over 60 confirmed cases of Corona Virus, while next door Mexico just experienced its first yesterday (through the same italy). Canada has 14 so far.
USA is 6 times population of Canada
If Canada has 14, USA ought to have 84. So US at 60 is doing better than Canada
CrimeRe: My Story As A Cult Member........initiation Phase Included... by CanadaOrBust: 2:19pm On Feb 29, 2020
ozoebuka1:
I think you are not alright. What will be my benefit when he quotes me? Lots of crazy people roaming this site... Don't quote me again because i won't reply you. You can now run along. undecided
”Don't quote me again” - mark of a stupid person.
What will u do if he quotes u sir? How will your not replying him affect him in any way? You now see who is crazy? Stop gratuitously butting in if u don’t like being put in your place
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Well-equipped To Handle Cases Of Coronavirus, Says Lai Mohammed by CanadaOrBust:
NGpatriot:
Instead of asking silly questions, feel free to educate us with your answer.

How many infected people or sawyer doesn't change the fact that we quickly and successfully defeated ebola and the rest of the world are still commending us and applauding our efforts, we even performed better than advanced countries including the US.

Your questions are basically irrelevant and redundant.

Tell me we did not successfully defeat Ebola and I'll take you seriously.
U don’t think Lai is being a bit of economical with the truth? See below:

The source added, “The standard medical operational procedure is to track all contacts and have them quarantined to avoid further spread of the virus. But we cannot do that here because we lack such facility, which is why there is emphasis on self quarantine.

“Even where the Italian man is presently being isolated was a room vacated by a patient. I pray God saves us in the coming months because we are not ready for the danger posed by the Coronavirus.”

The source alleged, “The only thing demarcating the room from other rooms in the ward is a red and white barricade tape. That is where the Italian man that tested positive to Coronavirus is kept.”

https://www.nairaland.com/5711761/italian-coronavirus-sufferer-lagos-attempts

This just made front page
HealthRe: U.S Is Not Prepared For Coronavirus - Health Worker, Maureen Dugan by CanadaOrBust:
ynotsadeek:
I see some comments here, and I feel sad. I feel sad because most Nigerian youths clearly hate this country.

And that makes me fearful of the kind of leaders they will become.

Nigeria survived SARS, we survived EBOLA. We will survive this too. This too shall pass.

God bless everyone who believes in this country and doing their best to help in this trying time.

God bless our Doctors, Nurses and every health worker.

GOD bless NIGERIA.
Agboriotejoye, kingkakaone , zikter
LZAA:
Cc helinues Afamed
Well said.
I want to believe in the country but below is the reality. Compare to Lai’s boastful assurance:

The source added, “The standard medical operational procedure is to track all contacts and have them quarantined to avoid further spread of the virus. But we cannot do that here because we lack such facility, which is why there is emphasis on self quarantine.

“Even where the Italian man is presently being isolated was a room vacated by a patient. I pray God saves us in the coming months because we are not ready for the danger posed by the Coronavirus.”

The source alleged, “The only thing demarcating the room from other rooms in the ward is a red and white barricade tape. That is where the Italian man that tested positive to Coronavirus is kept.”


https://www.nairaland.com/5711761/italian-coronavirus-sufferer-lagos-attempts

This just made front page
HealthRe: Italian Coronavirus Index Patient In Lagos Attempts To Escape From Quarantine by CanadaOrBust:
I want to believe in our country but this is the reality.
(Mr. Lai was being a bit economical with the truth):

The source added, “The standard medical operational procedure is to track all contacts and have them quarantined to avoid further spread of the virus. But we cannot do that here because we lack such facility, which is why there is emphasis on self quarantine.

“Even where the Italian man is presently being isolated was a room vacated by a patient. I pray God saves us in the coming months because we are not ready for the danger posed by the Coronavirus.”

The source alleged, “The only thing demarcating the room from other rooms in the ward is a red and white barricade tape. That is where the Italian man that tested positive to Coronavirus is kept.”
CrimeRe: My Story As A Cult Member........initiation Phase Included... by CanadaOrBust: 1:31am On Feb 29, 2020
PoliteActivist:
But canadaorbust is right. I was there too. You are also hypocrite. You quote him so he will respond yet pretend you want him to stop wink
Thank u very much sir. Long time no see. No mind the JJC. Guy, whatever your moniker is, that’s telling u right there. Now run along
HealthRe: Coronavirus: Face Masks, Hand Sanitizers Sold Out In Lagos! by CanadaOrBust: 10:05pm On Feb 28, 2020
tongue
HealthRe: Coronavirus: 28 Persons Quarantined In Ogun – Gov Abiodun by CanadaOrBust: 8:54pm On Feb 28, 2020
iyandaoluwaoba:
But how do you control things like this when you have an illiterate man at the helm of affairs. He's simply not intune with what's going on in his immediate environment talk more of the whole world.
But he is surrounded by phD’s who translate for him - so, not a valid point

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