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vooks:
Except the lake of fire is SPECIFICALLY prepared for Satan and his angels. if they will be consumed, what's the point of the fire persisting beyond their annihilation into eternity?


Matthew 25:41King James Version (KJV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Let the scripture explain itself in its usage of everlasting fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah suffer the purnishment of " evelastin fire" Jude 7 ..... IS FIRE STILL BURNING IN THOSE CITIES ?? NO ! They were destroyed forever !! .

Their experience shows that judicial purnishment of Everlasting fire refers to " everlastin destruction" 2 the 1:9

OR dont u read that many yrs after the destruction, Jesus said : ' Sodom didnt exist when he was on earth' Matt 11:23 ??

Mitope:
Yes I can it just depends on the person

Hmm ... Depend on d person, but what about watchin a movie where ur preffered actor is callin another pretty woman " darling" or "my love" all in d name of acting ?? uhm

Newkidoo:
No i can't.. That is y i said it depends..

Ok Bro

paulGrundy:
The bible never said anything about where Adam went to when he died.

Gooood!!! The bible didnt add such heresy , beacause God himself describes the dead as someone ' who knows nothing' Ecc 9:5

I think that the Bible shows that there is a good possibility he went to heaven.

U Think ..... Stop using faulty analogy !

Adam died many years before Jesus came to earth , yet Jesus clearly said : " NO MAN has ever ascend to heaven" Joh 3:13 !!! , so the whole idea of Adam goin to heaven is heresy .

Newkidoo:
Now this is a good topic that needs my honest opinion..
Yes I can.. It depends sha..

U Can ? That means u can cope with the movie scene of another man givin ur wife a hug

paulGrundy:
Many people will not understand the point you are trying to pass across, you first of all misrepresented non-watchtower views of afterlife and attacked the misrepresentation in the context of your belief. Why not question the doctrine of the immortality of the soul first before criticising the reasoning behind it ?

So, where do u see watchtower in d above ?? ...... " the soul that sins - it itself shall die " Eze 18:4 !

Answer This: According to the scripture , where did Adam go when he dies ??

Few days ago, it was very interesting when my neighbours started a discussion on this particular issue ...... So, lets hear your opinions ! Ladies, Can u marry an actor ? ... Guys , Can You Marry an actress ?? .... Pls lets know the reason for ur answers !

many people claim this is a festive period .... But have u wondered what happen to those livestocks u killed ?? Remember " there is same eventuality for man and beast ..... All Are Going To The SAME PLACE" Ecc 3:19
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#think #

Well, truth be told .... Will u belive if the bible tells u that Those livestocks have spirit in them" .... Yea ! Read Ecc 3:19-21 ! Just like man. Av u read that ?

Of Course, those livestocks are also " livin Souls" Rev 16:3 !!! Just like man ( Gen 2:7) !

So , at this funny point .....
Why Is It that those livestocks were never said to go into afterlife, since God says " all are going to same PLACE" ??


Where is the place to which all are going ??

If these livestocks dont go into afterlife despite havin spirit and qualified as "livin souls" ... Why Man ?

Why Do both man and livestocks run away from death ?? Even cows cry when dey smell death !!!

bsjay:
Brother, when Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the mountain after many decades of their physical death before Christ came to earth, with Peter as witness, where did they come from since your religious belief has it that man ceases to exist after physical death?

You wrongly thought moses and Elijah went to heaven ... Oops wrong! Jesus states clearly: " NO MAN has ever been to heaven" Joh 3:13!

About their appearin to Jesus , didnt u read that what happen on that mountain was just a " VISION" matt 17:9 !!!

The bible also has it that Saul invoked the spirit of Samuel and he came forth, where did Samuel come from? .

Saul make enquiry through a satanic medium and a witchcraft that promotes the lie that humans do not die ,a witchdoctor !!! NOT From God ...... Its a deceit from demons and thats why God himself banned the act of tryin to speak with the dead(ISAIAH 8:19,LEVITICUS 19:31 READ PLS)!! "dead knows nothin"Ecc9:5

vooks:
Answer my question. Don't be obtuse. Do you know you can break Sabbath to save an animal's life?

Dont think like d pharisees ....... NOBODY breaks sabath by saving an animals life , saving lifes is part of Sabath, Jesus correct this Pharisees wrong notion when he said "It is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabath" Mat 12:12 ...

How much more can blood transfusion human life?

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When the bible directly prohibit the consumption of "blood" into the body system ? Act 15:29 .... Whereas we are urged to ABSTAIN from " blood"

The same way a prostitute will defend somtin prohibited and say : " why wont i do it , will i allow my children to starve to death ??"

Would you undergo organ transplant?

The scripture says nothing about organ donation and transplant .... So thats left to each person ! But in d case of transplant , all organs involve must be drained from blood with reference to Act 15:29 .

bsjay:
Yes! Because the so-called living has lost his spiritual senses, hence spiritual death! Walking corpse!

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Scripture says " Christ DIED and came to life again" Rom 14:9 ..... 1) Is dis scripture lyin by sayin christ died , when he didnt ?

2) Can somone who never died , be said to come to life again ??

vooks:
There is no endeavor here, but doctrinal flip flop inside which thousands have perished because the light has been flickering instead of growing brighter.
NOBODY studying the entire scriptures in ANY (per)version would conclude that blood donation and transfusion violates any portion of scriptures.

The folly of religion and its afterlife fake comfort as shown here ...... You people love this earth so much , and will even violate Gods law to stay on EARTH . !!! The folly of afterlife , u guys are not even sure of what u preach .

C'mon lets discuss Act 15:29 ..... Thats what i like .

1) what does it mean to abstain from blood ?

2) will i be abstaining from blood by consuming it thru my veins ?

3) if a patient is not eating in the hospital, such ones are fed intravenously ? Can such patient be reffered to as eating .

4) how will God who consider blood so sacred and comand it sud be shed in d ground, view the idea of consumin another person's blood

vooks:
Mumu,
That processed fraction comes from somebody who DONATED blood
If you reject stealing cars, and went out of your way to protect yours from theft, would you and your fellow m0rons need to pray about using car parts that came from a stolen car?

..... So is that why you use dat insultive yoruba word " mumu" on me ! Lets endeavour to appreciate those who are ever ready to held to God's standard regarding blood . ( Act 15:29)

None of those in christendom endeavour to follow that command on blood ... Yet they will blame those who endeavour to do it !!!

I appreciate those that reject blood includin its subdidvided fractions in obedience to Act 15:29.

vooks:
Mumu,
That processed fraction comes from somebody who DONATED blood
If you reject stealing cars, and went out of your way to protect yours from theft, would you and your fellow m0rons need to pray about using car parts that came from a stolen car?

U make me smile ..... So is that why you use dat insultive yoruba word " mumu" on me ! Lets endeavour to appreciate those who are ever ready to held to God's standard regarding blood . ( Act 15:29)

None of those in christendom endeavour to follow that command on blood ... Yet they will blame those who endeavour to do it !!!

I appreciate those that reject blood includin its subdidvided fractions in obedience to Act 15:29.

bsjay:
Why are u exposing ur utter ignorance? Do u know what the sin against the Holy Spirit is? When the bible says Adam and Eve died after eating the fruit, that does not in any way depict physical death, but spiritual death cos they lost the ability to commune with God through their intuition and also the ability to comprehend things of the spirit from the moment they ate of the fruit. Don't take that story too personal in an earthly sense because it is an allegory which serves to convey spiritual knowledge to man. That story alone interpretes so many things in a spiritual sense.

God says they will "die" the day they ate that fruit !!! ....... So he cursed that " they will return to the ground from which they are taken" Gen 3:19 !!!

God said "the day" , when God says a day it = 1000 yrs ( 2pet 3:9) !!! Adam didnt use a day before God !!! He spent 930 years , during which he fulfilled the blessing of multiplyin on earth ........ After this " he died" !!! The curse of death reigns and he "returns to the ground, from which he was taken" Gen 3:19.

By claiming adam lives forever ....... A person automatically grace the devils lie that they "shall surely not die" Gen 3:4 !!! satan Is A Liar

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vooks:
So the ' Faithful and Discrete Servant' rejects blood donation but leaves it to the 'conscience' of their members to decide if they are going to be beneficiaries of a 'practice that God condemns'?

What does "faithful and discreet servant" got to do with this discussion ??

Pls, wait ! Are they the ones that wrote Act 15:29 !!! Am discussin Act 15:29 with u and not any any discreet servant . ..... U really suprised me .

Due to Act 15:29 , Jehovah's Witnesses Refuse Transfusion Of The Fluid Called " BLOOD" ! Which we are to abstain , neither do they support it by donating a sacred blood ... Thats the stand .

It was some individuals who realise that blood contains 4 elements ( red cell, white cell, platelet, plasma) !!! ..... Their conscience bliv taking blood means absorbing all these components !! but takin a processed fraction e.g a fraction from ONLY PLASMA! (a single unit, which have been divided) Is permited by their conscience . Moreover such ones are also required to pray about it ...... All Thanks to God, bloodless surgery is been adopted by most medical practitioners of our era everyday.

vooks:
Is blood donation a matter of conscience or is it settled that the same is outrightly banned/rejected?

Once again .... Lets go back to Act 15:29

Keep abstaining from things sacrificed to Idols

From blood

From what is strangled

From fornication

Idols are prohibited, so also is anythin sacrificed to them .... But will i abstain from idols and things sacrificed to them, if i work in an idol temple or shrine ?

From fornication: fornication is a sin! Fine, but will i abstain from fornication by workin in a brothel or owning a LovePeddler house ?? Am supportin it .

From things strangled: ask an hunter, hw disgustin meat tastes if its blood is retained in it.

From blood: if God consider blood so sacred, and tell us not to consume it ... Will I be abstaining by givin it for others to consume ??

If u understand what it means to abstain fornication and idols, why not blood ?

Donating blood for consumption is clearly an act of supportin a practice that God condemns .

vooks:
Quit burying your head in the sand,
You can't donate blood but you would gladly recieve Blood COMPONENTS and half convince yourself

And I stumbled into this gem. Of course you would never read 'apostate' literature but I have a feeling you are intelligent enough to see through your unremarkable BS
May Jehovah enlarge his coasts!

.... TRUTH remains that Jehovah's Witnesses reject blood transfusion ( Act 15:29) !!

But about the small fractions that are made out of blood !!! ... We have different conscience, I personally believe abstaining from blood includes not taking even the fractions from blood ...

But some people's conscience may not allow them receive blood in its full combination ( red blood cell, white blood cell,platelet,Plasma) .... But their conscience permits them to receive a fraction made from a part of blood e.g a fraction from plasma .. ITS THEIR CONSCIENCE!!! BUT SUCH CHRISTIAN SHOULD PRAY ABOUT THIS DECISION

bsjay:
In reality, There's no such thing as death!

Stop Speakin like dat serpent in Eden, who was deceivin Eve that there is no such thing as death , Saying " You shall surely not die" - Gen 3:4 !!! THEY TRULY DIED AND BOTH RETURN TO The Ground From WHich THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN . Gen 3:19!!! Thus returning to the condition they were before God creates them .

bsjay:
In reality, There's no such thing as death!

Stop Speakin like dat serpent in Eden, who was deceivin Eve that there is no such thing as death , Saying " You shall surely not die" - Gen 3:4 !!! THEY TRULY DIED AND BOTH RETURN TO WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN . !!!

vooks:
CANTICLES,
You can't even half convince yourself.
Respond to the substance of this thread or watch in horror as your belief sysmem is dissected publicly

JWS blood transfusion stance has EVOLVED over time to the point where some blood components are 'admissible'.

I had a JW buddy stammer trying to convince me that organ transplant is cannibalism

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What is this one saying ? Av respond to the thread ! .... Its blood transfusion NOT water transfusion , what is been tranfused is " Blood" ! Read what the scripture say about Blood in Act 15:29 ........ Stop clingin to the 90's , this is 21st century where blood transfusion is no more safe unless u want to worsen ur condition, ...Bloodless Surgey Is Been Practice All Over The World ! Most Of All " Abstain From Blood" warns the bible !

SORRY @ op

A person can only be disfellowshipped if he/she commits a SERIOUS SIN, such as "fornication" or "adultery" e.t.c ( according to 1 COR 5:11-13) which says "remove the wicked person from among yourselves"

1) Jehovah's Witnesses dont shun , they only follow the advice found in 1cor 5:11 which some people misconstruct as shunning .

" But Now I am writing you to stop associating with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolateror a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, NOT EVEN EATING WITH SUCH A MAN " 1 COR 5:11 ..... The op is highly sufferin from the fact that they take this instruction seriously !!! Probably they av stop associating with him ... Sorry !

2) Blood transfusion: what is transfused? BLOOD !
Put the watchtower aside, if my doctor says " abtain from alcohol" !!! .... But i went ahead and say " nurse, pls i cant open my mouth coz am weak, but my system needs alcohol badly... Jeez can u pls tranfuse some into my body" ..... Am I followin the instruction to abstain from alcohol ? Only hypocrites will say "YES, aftrall am not consumin it thru the mouth!" . Dont be an hypocrite

Someone Greater Than Doctor Says " ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD" ! Act 15:29 ..... Will i be followin this instruction if i transfuse into my body system ? NO! Also, Remember the previous illustration ,!!

Many people who are not Jehovah's Witnesses are now rejecting blood transfusion ! Its not safe ...... WAKE UP! BLOODLESS SURGERY IS NOW HIGHLY ADVANCING IN THE WORLD. INFACT THE BEST

MzNelly:
You're not just saying this because they're a million people watching, are you?

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Dont mind those guys ..... Dat "YES" Is a trick , by the time they say "YES" , most girls reading this will give sex to them , ONLY to discover the opposite when he left her and find another more pretty girl !

Provided he now marry her (sometimes due to pregnancy) ...... The TRUST IS GONE !!! Both of them wonder : " if we can do it together, who else is he or she having sex with? "

Saqqi01:
I respect your comments!! Well!! Anything on the face of earth has some physical age and so the human is. The soul id immortal while human body is mortal. Brain exists in human body not in the soul of human body to remember each and everything...

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This ur brain doesnt exist concept present the idea as fake ... Why not study the making of man as written in Genesis 2:7 !

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asalimpo:
Correct d rotten english u used to create this topic ,its turnng away many who cud read ur post.

Besides if ur grammer can b off how are u sure the positions u take on these issues arent wrong?

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So u dont gain anythin except to be checkin english !!! Besides, i thought u were a christian .... Yet u call people fool on some threads, and you use rotten here .... Is that the christlike way to correct people ?? I wont say more than that

@ op
ALL POINTS RAISED ARE VALID !!!

JMAN05:
op

In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Gen 3:19

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MrPresident1:
They are in hell.

Which scripture said so bro ??

MrPresident1:
They are in hell.

Are u sayin they are still alive ??

" they are dead, they will not live ; Powerless in death .. They will not rise up" Isa 26:14 !!!