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freshboi88:
Is Jesus first and last?....simple question

I am not here to trade words but to show u the truth. I can only do my part And allow the Holy Spirit do his.

The answer to this question will reveal d lies u r trying to tell

Jesus is first and last because he was first from the dead to be raised to eternal life and the last by the Father.


It doesnt mean Jesus never died!!!!

Jesus is not the one in that heb 1:10-12

Emusan:
You have shifted from nature/form to Glory....

What happened to His divine nature since He didn't come to earth with it?

Either the divine nature died as people with flesh and blood died before they could pick up another form or the divine nature was hidden in the human nature.

One thing must happen but unfortunate for you, you can't agree that the divine nature died.

So for the last time, what does it mean that Jesus emptied Himself?

Is that John 17:5 he gave you not clear enough, His divine nature was part of his heavenly glory he had before the world was which the Father took away .

Divine nature hidden In human nature ? Not emptied ? Empty means to remove completely .

Your lie can't hold water again that's why you couldn't support it with your previous statement.

So how does the above correlate with this your statement? "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4"

It means you deliberately twisted those verses to support your lies that's why you're hiding under the (...)

Everyone can see what those verses are saying!

Paul said they share Same sufferings. The share here is the same as 2Pet 1:4, does that not tell you they share the same nature with God ?

freshboi88:
Trinity will fall when u explain this Mr "And" is a break......religion comot sense from Ur head


8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”[g]

10 He also says to the Son,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
and made the heavens with your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain forever.
They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will fold them up like a cloak
and discard them like old clothing.
But you are always the same; [/highlight]
you will live forever.” [/highlight] [h][/b]

Years after the psalm was written , Jesus became dead .

freshboi88:
Is Jesus first and the last....?......mumu answer the question first let scales fall from Ur eyes

The one At Hebrew 1:10-12 will never die. Jesus died .. Jesus been first and last doesn't change this. He was first and last as per his ressurection from death. Not that he never dies , if Jesus never dies, who pay for your sins ?

Barristter07:
This will be addressed in my last post.




" So now you, Father , glorify me alongside yourself with THE GLORY that I had alongside you before the world was " - John 17:5

Simply means he didn't Come to earth with his Heavenly Glory.




" You endure the same sufferings that we also suffer. And so our hope for you is unwavering, knowing as we do that, Just as YOU ARE SHARERS ( Same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4) of the sufferings "

Are they Equal partners of the same sufferings ?

Trinity will fall , London bridge is falling. For more persons to share the exact same divine nature will mean the Trinity bracket need to be expanded. They are in trouble

freshboi88:
Is Jesus the first and the last, the same yesterday, today and forever?

The answer to this, answers Ur question

Revelation 1:18 - I became Dead. Jesus

Emusan:
Everyone knows Jesus died but only a deluded JWs will think the YEARS of Jesus ended when He died when they believe the same Jesus is still in heaven now.

Did Bible say Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever?

The psalm say Never , at no point will the person die. Lame one

freshboi88:
No not my rants scripture


8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”[g]

10 He also says to the Son,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
and made the heavens with your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain forever.
They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will fold them up like a cloak
and discard them like old clothing.
But you are always the same;
you will live forever.”[h]

Jehovah calls Jesus Lord and says he created the heavens and the earth!!!....OMG!!!

Reconcile it

Either the Bible lied or freshboi88 lied ... One must he true.

The person spoken of here years will never end ... Has Jesus years ever once end ? Has he tasted death ?

Be sincere

Emusan:
The great hider behind keyboard!

I love this your line....

Then since we're FELLOWSHIP/COMMUNION WITH The Holy Spirit then it means we are EQUAL AND THE SAME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT...

Bravo!

I know your tune will change now!

With means ?

freshboi88:
This one is stale, I have quashed this arguement with Hebrews 12:10

divine nature is not holiness , define nature ? Angels are holy, do u now accept they have divine nature ?

freshboi88:
This one is stale, I have quashed this arguement with Hebrews 12:10


But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you[/b]laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, [b] and your years will never come to an end.” +

Jehovah says Jesus created the heavens and the earth with the works of his hands. Jesu!!!!!!

Even the Jehovah u claim to be witnessing has exposed u. What a shame!!!!

Jesus never died ?

One single question dismantle your rants. Dont be ignorantly proud Na disgrace e dey give person.

freshboi88:
This one is stale, I have quashed this arguement with Hebrews 12:10


But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you[/b]laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. [highlight] But you are the same, [b] and your years will never come to an end.” [highlight] +

Jehovah says Jesus created the heavens and the earth with the works of his hands. Jesu!!!!!!

Even the Jehovah u claim to be witnessing has exposed u. What a shame!!!!

Jesus never died ?

One single question dismantle your rants. Dont be ignorantly proud Na disgrace e dey give person.

freshboi88:
Jesus years never ran out because in rev 22

12“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Jesus says he is the first and last, beginning and end....there is no break


Why did u say it was a break earlier?

Jehovah says Jesus created the heavens and the earth with the works of his hands....

Are u calling Jehovah a lair

But of the Son he says

I am using your own Jehovah Witness Translation so u have no excuse

Jesus never died ?

freshboi88:
So ur And=break lie doesn't hold water anymore.

Let's agree on one thing before jumping to another

Do u agree that And is a conjunction and cannot be used as a break?

And is a conjunction and a reference to the God of Jesus mentioned in verse 9.

I ask if it meant Jesus: Did Jesus ever tastes death ? Did his years ever run out ?

freshboi88:
So And is now a break. Has JW made u this dull.

If u r an OLODO today Ur liberation has come

And is a conjunction

(used to connect grammatically coordinate words, phrases, or clauses) along or together with; as well as; in addition to; besides; also; moreover:

AND does not connote a break but a continuation.....Olodo!!!!!

But of the Son: Who says ?

Did Jesus Years ever run out. ? Did he ever tasted death ?

Frustrated man

freshboi88:
Lair!!!....it was a reference to your grand father....ode!!!!!!

Easy bro ... I understand u are frustrated . Just take a chill pill

But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you[/b]laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, [b] and your years will never come to an end.”+
Nah ur ancestors be the Son abi

There was a break , " AND " to tell you the writer has shifted focus. Psalm 102 would be a Lie if it was reffering to Jesus . Jesus years came to an end once . he tasted death , the one spoken of here will never taste death

freshboi88:
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

But of the Son he says:. Who says and who is the Son bros?

Open your senses verse 8 and 9 are a reference to the Son, verse 9 says the Son has a God.

The writer was reffering back to The GOD of Jesus Christ In verse 10-12. Jesus years once run out, he is not the one spoke of. Grow some brains

freshboi88:
Dnt run away from Ur lies

About the Son. Who says?.....

Verse 10 - 12 was not a reference to the Son. Must u be disgraced before u learn ?

freshboi88:
I know u have been blinded

I will paste it here so that u can Ur lies staring u in the face

This is new world translation. Your own bible

But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And : “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

But about the Son he says: Who says?

Jesus years come to an end when he was killed , The writer wasn't reffering to Jesus .

freshboi88:
10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.


Jehovah says Jesus laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the work of his hands

It is not my truth.it is what Jehovah says..read it, it is in your bible

Small boy , there is nothing like Lord in that psalm 102:25 , It was inserted. Go and double check before posting. spits#

freshboi88:
I have answered u.

Hebrew 12:10. King James Version
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.



New International Version
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

How are we to participate in divine nature because we have escaped the corruption in could. We have overcome sin and evil desires and so we are called to holiness

This is what heb 12:10 confirms

Hebrew 12:10. King James Version
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

I am not scared to answer my own question.



New World Translation
25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.i
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Who is the palsmist referring to?

Don't be afraid to answer mine

For your small mind , divine nature means holiness ? No wonder jozzy dey call u kid, Do you know what is called Nature?

freshboi88:
Oh good!....I'm glad we can both agree on that.

But there's just one detail that shows that you are lying


Hebrew 1:
8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]

10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11[b] They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[/b]

You say psalm 102 was a prayer to Jehovah

But what does Jehovah say about the Son?

He says :


“In the beginning, Lord Yahweh , you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands

Jehovah says Jesus made the heavens and the earth with the works of his hands!!!!!.......

People who claim to be Jehovah Witness think they know the scripture more than Jehovah himself. They call Jehovah a liar

Fixed. U can have sense now. You have been thoroughly deceived by those who removed Gods name and replace with Lord. Its a shame, u deserves to be pitied

Emusan:
Frustration has started!



As I said earlier, 2peter 1 doesn't say they BECOME/HAVING/POSSESS divine nature that one comes from your tiny brain.

What you're trying to do here is to give the word 'SHARE' the same meaning in the scripture without considering the content, something I'm very sure you won't dare try when another issue arises.

That's why I do say JWs and hypocrisy are like 5&6



This also makes those Christians still retained their ORIGINAL FORM as well.

I can see how you stylishly boycotted my question about what happened to the FORM JESUS EMPTIED?



As I always say, you people lack scriptural understanding and what you need is Bible study not online miscreant.

The word translated as SHARER/partaker in Heb 2:14 is 'Koinoneo'
Meaning : To share with others (objectively or subjectively) :-communicate, distribute, be partaker.

While the word translated as PARTAKER/SHARE in 2peter 1 is 'Koinonos'

Meaning: a sharer, i.e associate :- companion, X fellowship, partaker, partner.

From here it's evident that both Heb 2:14 and 2 Peter 1:4 didn't convey the same message but brainwashed JWs want it to be the same.

My question still remains, what happened to the form Jesus emptied or what do you understand by He emptied Himself?

Despite you saw FELLOW , You still spit this trash , Fellows are people in the same position.

Companions shared same interest. Husband and wife are companions, sharers of the same human nature.

It simply means they shared the exact same GODS NATURE with GOD.

Then they are GOD. Smh

freshboi88:
This one is running....u no dey go anywhere. I go chuck this truth inside ur yansh today ODE!!!!!


@CANTICLES.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given. Will the child be called Mighty God or Servant ....which one did the Isaiah call him?...

Mighty God or Mighty Servant ?

Servant too ..

Isaiah 42:1

OUR GOD is not a servant.

freshboi88:
So I should go to Google for truth in the bible. Is that where u get Ur truth. sorry, I get mine from the Bible, God's inspired word.


New Living Translation
Listen! It’s the voice of someone shouting, “Clear the way through the wilderness for the LORD! Make a straight highway through the wasteland [b]for our God![b]

You are not smart at all.

Ansa the question way I ask u.

According to the verse Who is the path been made for?

God or God's Servant?

Fulfilled by Gods servant .

freshboi88:
@CANTICLES is a COWARD. You dey fear to ansa my question nii.


@CANTICLES.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given. Will the child be called Mighty God or Servant ....which one did the Isaiah call him?...

Mighty God or Mighty Servant ?

Isaiah called him SERVANT as well ( Isaiah 42:1 )


OUR GOD is not a servant.

Jesus said he is not our God ( John 20:17)

CANTICLES:
U are missing something " OUR GOD " not just God.

Revelation 7:10 again

" Salvation we owe to OUR GOD, who is seated on the throne , and to the Lamb "

The Lamb is not OUR GOD.

Think about this . freshboi88

freshboi88:
Gee...no rush, we go enta Holy Spirit matter soon. But I first have to open your yansh first in this one. I know say nah wetin u dey avoid. Nor worry bros, one question way I ask dey wait u.

If u know say u get mind, give me the ansa as I ask u o

U might cry soon .
Did Jesus lie only the Father knows when there are TWO PERSONS that know ?

freshboi88:
I SURE SAY NAH COCONUT DEY INSIDE THAT YOUR HEAD

New Living Translation
Listen! It’s the voice of someone shouting, “Clear the way through the wilderness for the LORD! Make a straight highway through the wasteland for our God![b]


New International Version
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

@CANTICLES.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given. Will the child be called [b] Mighty God or Servant ....which one did the Isaiah call him?...

Mighty God or Servant ?

Who is the servant at Matthew 12:18, Isaiah 42:1 ?

Jesus is not OUR GOD ( Rev 7:9)

U can faint now

Barry2k16:
It works on any andriod phone. You just need to download one other app that makes that possible dear

Which app boss?

freshboi88:
New Living Translation
Listen! It’s the voice of someone shouting, “Clear the way through the wilderness for the LORD! Make a straight highway through the wasteland for our God!

ODE!!!!.....USE YOUR BRAIN NAH.

Who is the "our God" in this passage?

U are getting frustrated Eyah, sorry

Our God is not a servant , is he ?

The one sent was called a servant. ( Matt 12:18)

Jesus himself clarify " I am going to my Father and Your Father , to my God and YOUR GOD "

OUR GOD sent his servant.


Revelation 7:9 is clear enough. The Lamb is not OUR GOD.

freshboi88:
[s]
Do u c why I said u r a robot. I asked u a question u went to copy Nd paste!!!!!.

In the same vein for me, when I c someone who teaches what is contrary to the bible I will engage in heated debate to prove the person wrong.

This I have done with u. Only me, I have decimated a full kingdom hall on this thread. Imagine all of u can't defeat me. Do you know why? Because I stand on the truth. Darkness cannot defeat Light. When Light comes darkness disappears.

Help @CANTICLES he said the holy spirit is a force.

I asked if the holy spirit is a force, does it mean all other spirits are force too?

@CANTICLES said no,


Then I asked him if other spirits are not force then y is God's spirit a force? [/s]

After the bible says The Lamb is not OUR GOD , u can still make this noise ? You need to be pitied


Since holy spirit is a person , tell us if Jesus lied ? That's all I needed from you.