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Dont derail the thread bro

vooks:
What happens at death?

" You will RETURN TO THE GROUND, FOR YOU are DUST and to DUST YOU shall RETURN" Gen 3:19

If man CEASES to exist, then God the Son ceased to exist for three days

He himself confirmed it that he will be in d ground of the earth for three days and three nights (Read Matt 12:40)
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But we know at death the spirit is separated from the body

Of course , the spirit in the NOSTRILS of all mankind, ( job 27:3) the "breath of life in our NOSTRILS" GEN 2:7, of either The good, bad , righteous, or unrighteous Return To God

So Jesus lived in the spirit beyond crucifixion

Pure fabrication .. Jesus spirit, d breath of life returns to God(luk 23:46) , as a matter of scriptures Jesus himself didnt ressurect from the grave until the third day,infact didnt ascend to heaven until 40 days AFTER his ressurection

! John 20:17

dd12345:
to add to it further, AFTER JESUS WAS RESURRECTED,the bible says He was still around for 40 days, seen by his disciples, where was he sleeping? even when the door was closed, the passed thru the door and appeared to His disciples including doubting THOMAS who dig his hands into the scars in his hand and legs(showing Jesus still have bones and flesh after ressurection). No wonder while thomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD...

So flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God ??

So Jesus is still been affected by the weakness of man ??

So Jesus was lyin when he told the disciples that his body and blood will be sacrificed for mankind whereas, he will still have them back ?? ( Luke 22: 19,20) !

So the apostle peter was fooling us when he said Jesus was killed in flesh but was made alive as a spirit being (1pet 3:18) was killed in a physical body ( human) but was raised in A " Spiritual Body" 1 Cor 15:44 ??

dd12345:
Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus.

JESUS IS NOT GOD-MAN, the two natures are separate.

with His human nature, he was to show us as example how to walk with God experiencing the same thing we experience shown by his human attributes listed in the write up until He is made perfect... heb 4:16 says For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our
infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Because of His human nature,He was able to die for our sin.

Alright ........ If this doctrine is true , Did Jesus continue to possess a human body in heaven ??

elantraceey:
Answer to your question NO

Uv demolish that cover up phrase already .

so ..... One dies, but the other 2 are alive , so are u sayin there are 3 separate Gods ??

Trinitarians bliv there ar three distinct persons

1) God the father 1st person and God.

2) "God the son" ( this phrase never appear in the scripture) . 2nd person and God

3) "God the holyspirit" ( this phrase never appear in the scripture) 3rd person and God !

FROM the above list ... We have 3 distinct persons, whom are God , Thus 3 Gods !! Oh... Trinitarians quickly cover it with the last phrase " they are not three But One" !!

That last phrase is the main focus of this thread .
Trinitarians Should Answer This:


:::: If the trinity doctrine is true and the 3 are one , [size=25] what happen to the Father and holyspirit when the son died for three days ?? If the 3 are truly one, why didnt the father and holyspirit also dead ? [/size]

dd12345:
If anybody have any questions about this...you can ask me for clarity...

I have 3 questions .... But lets start with one

1) If Jesus is a God-man , how could he have died ??

vooks:
I talked of puny brains and used the fewest words

Walk me through your logic. Is it written anywhere that Christ appeared before himself?
Is it implied or suggested that Christ appeared before himself?

Well done ..... You have started using ur common sense ( which trinity doesnt want u to use) and very soon am sure you will walk out of that brainwashin dogma of trinity.

" christ appear before God ( Jehovah Psalm 83:18)" Heb 9:24

vooks:
Is there anybody who said that Christ appeared to himself?
How do you jump from Christ appeared before God to Christ appearing before himself?

Goodmorning ..... FLASHBACK: the op ask, " did christ appear to himself" and you answered " Yes He Did" !!! Or uv forgotten ?

vooks

Yes he did

italo:
Another question: "who is the eternal Father"

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"He that sent me is REAL" joh 7:28 ... Jesus here emphasize that the Father who sent him is a real person, so dont confuse them together .

Jesus was prophetically called " Eternal father" because he is the person through whom Jehovah God his Father will give mankind eternal life .
.... "Jesus is able to save completely those who are approaching God ( Jehovah) through him , because he is always alive to plead for them " Heb 8:25 !

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Bro, Heb 9:24 posted by the op says "Christ enter into heaven and appear before God "

Whom is called " God" in this scripture ??

Op ask .... Did christ appear to another christ ??

italo:
Let me ask you a simple question:

Who is "the first and the last."

God or Jesus?

pen or pencil ..... That statement affirms that pen is distinct from pencil.

God or Jesus .... That statement affirms that God is different from Jesus ! " Christ seats at the right hand of God ( Jehovah) " Col 3:1

So lets look at the scripture where both of them use the same title.

Isaiah 44:6 " I am the first and the last , there is no God but me" .... Jehovah God use first and d last to denote his being the Almighty God !
BUT HOW DID JESUS, HIS SON USE IT ?

Rev 1:17 : " I am the first and the last ,... I became dead, but look! I am livin forever and ever "... Jesus used first and last to denote his glorious ressurection from d dead, he is truly the "first" ressurected to everlastin life and will be the last person whom Jehovah God His Father will raise from the dead. ! Its Jesus,who will resurect others ( Joh 5:28,29)

paulGrundy:
Koine Greek--Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεός ἦν ὁ λόγος.

Greek transliteration--En archē ēn ho Lógos, kai ho Lógos ēn pros ton Theón, kai Theós ēn ho Lógos.

Greek to English--In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with (toward) the God, and [b]G[/b]od was the Word.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1

That's the original interlinear translation

Copy and paste, who told you its original .... Once again, the greek had no laws of upper case and lower case like we do in english language diferenciatin "g" & " G"

Adopt Uppercase:"IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH THE GOD AND GOD WAS THE WORD"

And 2 cor 4:4 will also read in upper case " ho theos THE GOD OF THIS WORLD " .Dats SATAN, ho theos !

So therefore translators discretion is advised

John 1:1 states that the word was WITH SOMEONE ! Which refers to the almighty God , Infact, Joh 1:2 Will not be necesary if Jesus is Almighty God

italo:
Jehovah's Witnesses!

Jesus is God because the Bible says so.

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God...

The folly of religion ..... Uv forgotten The original greek doesnt have CAPITAL LETTERS like english language

It literally reads " in d beginin was the word, and the word was towards the god, and god was the word" a translator must supply capital letters into d language in which he translates
statement
1) the word was toward the god ! : this clearly show d word WAS WITH someone ! Which no doubt refer to the Almighty God ,

2) and god was the word ..... This secon "g" has no justification to be capitalized !!

Verse 2 indicates that the word is not the Almighty God ....

Joh 1:2 " This one ( the word) was in the beginning with God "

..and the word became flesh and lived amongst us."

d Word, only begotten son became flesh NOT GOD who sent him into d world ( JOH 3:16

@ Captivator .... Sorry Bro , None of them can explain ur scripture , imagine one telling me Christ appear before himself ( another Christ) , an hoax of delusion , No wonder they call their dogma a " mystery" ...... Infact, physics is a mystery to an art student , u know why ? He doesnt know or understand it , so also God is a mystery to trinitarians bcoz they dont know him.

vooks:
Yes he did

If Christ appears before Christ ....... Then we have 2 Jesus Christ , ?? Ur answer is faulty

BabaGnoni:
So without flowery language but in layman's terms what is the verdict?
Who is returning to judge and save mankind? Is it God or Jesus?

Act 17:31 reveal that Jehovah God Almighty, the God and Father of Christ is d person who plans to judge mankind .

His majesty has appointed Jesus Christ his son to overseer the whole work of judgement . So Jesus will be the one to carry out the WILL OF HIS FATHER

After this, Jesus Christ wil report back to His Almighty God And Father

"NEXT, he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power" 1 cor 15:24

BabaGnoni:
So without flowery language but in layman's terms what is the verdict?
Who is returning to judge and save mankind? Is it God or Jesus?

Act 17:31 reveal that Jehovah God Almighty, the God and Father Christ is d person who plans to judge mankind .

His majesty has appointed Jesus Christ his son to overseer the whole work of judgement . So Jesus will be the one to carry out the WILL OF HIS FATHER

After this, Jesus Christ wil report back to His Almighty God And Father

"NEXT, he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power" 1 cor 15:24

frosbel:
Good one CANTICLES , level headed as always.

Do you think there is (or it is necessary for) a prophecy for this method of salvation/judgement in the old testament ?

Thanks.

My Brother, according to your original post .... Its clear the hebrew scriptures said Yahweh will judge the world !! But since Act 17:31 has explained that Yahweh will be the judge , but he will do it through a man he has appointed , whom is Christ . ..... I PERCEIVE THIS IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES ,

Yahweh prophesied at Isaiah 11:1 " and there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jesse; .......... And Upon him the spirit of Yahweh must settle down , and he Will Not Judge by any mere appearance to his eyes , and with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones of the earth " - Isa 11: 1-5

What a nice topic

Lets turn to the scriptures , Act 17:31 explains

" God ( Yahweh).. Has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness through a man he has appointed (Jesus) " Act 17:30,31

An2elect2:
Yes i believe and know that Jesus is God. You have to be completely blind to not believe Jesus is the Almighty God. Some people doubt this because what the only see is the humanity of Christ and if there is any work of Deity attached to His ministry it is ascribed to someone who is God. Do they know that they are denying God. What were the expecting God to look like when He willed to come to this fallen world to save mankind. To save the man, you come like the man. Men were made with blood in them and blood was required for the remission of our sins. Do you expect God to come as the Spirit He is? How will His work on earth be feasible? Before Abraham, before David there was Christ. If this was an ordinary man there was no way he would have preexisted. Only God can claim that.

If you fail to see that Jesus' deity was clouded by the flesh He had on Him, then you are without knowledge of the true God.

DO YOU AGREE THAT JESUS HAVE " A GOD AND FATHER" ??

NEWBIN:
Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began. John 17:5

U got me laughing , wait ... Dont u see that Jesus was praying to someone higher than him , He was praying to the FATHER !

He request to the Father, whom he also called " The ONLY TRUE GOD" in verse 3 ! Once again ... He reffered to the father as " THE, ONLY, TRUE , GOD !!! JOH 17:3 ! ONLY, ONLY, ONLY ... Uhm .

According to his request in John 17:5 , God exalt Jesus to a higher position , and at dis moment " Christ seat " NOT ON THE THRONE OF GOD, BUT "at the right hand of God" Colosian 3:1

NEWBIN:
Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
so the 'HE' In this verse is not GOD?

Interestingly, Verse 7 shows that THE ALMIGHTY ,Most High GOD is speaking , while in vrs 8 which you quoted, d person been adressed is a worshipper of that God !

That clearly illustrate that Jesus is not the Almighty God , Infact , JESUS was annointed by the Almighty God .

until u read for urselve and confirm the proper construction of the sentence from psalm 45:6 which was originally addressed to a human king in isreal that is gettin married to the princess of tyre . Am sure the psalmist is not callin that human king gettin married, a God ?

RS: " your divine throne" !Ps 45:6.

Luk 1:32 " and Jehovah God WILL GIVE HIM ( Jesus) the throne of David his father"..Shows that Jehovah God is d person who confers the authority of kingship to Christ

NEWBIN:
Revelation 22:12-16


16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

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I agree with you here , that Jesus sent his angels ..... But from whom did Jesus himself received that revelation ??

NEWBIN:
Revelation 22:12-16

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

" Alpha and Omega" !

Rev 1:8 says the owner of the title is Jehovah God Almighty ! The Father and God of Christ.

Rev 21:6,7 verse 7 indicates that those chosen to be in heaven will be the " Sons" of d the person described as Alpha and Omega ! WHEREAS Jesus called them " brothers" (matt 12:50; 25:40) ... This shows d text applies to JEHOVAH, the God Almighty and Father of Christ !

Rev 22:13 mentions Alpha and Omega which evidence points as referin to Jehovah God Almighty the father of Christ... Though " First and d last" was also applied to Jesus in rev 1:17,18 , Similarly, Jesus and his followers are both called " APOSTLE" (Heb 3:1),this doesnt mean they ar d same person or of equal rank

NEWBIN:
NO CONTRADICTIONS AND NO CONTROVERSY BRO

CHECK 1 TIMOTHY 3:16

" And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Have u been so blindfolded ?? Oh ! U never knew God didnt appear in the ealiest manuscript , codex sinaiticus never reads ' God' in
1 tim 3:16 , God was inscribed later by trinitarians , YET Modern translators have detect this error and it now reads " He (Jesus) was manifest in flesh"! See lies, fabrications and myth , blunders all bcoz of provin a churchianity concept.

Jesus created the universe (Col. 1:15-17). He sustains it (Heb. 1:3). He is Lord of all.

Jesus cant do anythin on on his own, he always do the will of the Father ( Luk 22:42)

Listen ... " God ( named " JEHOVAH" ps 83:18) Create the universe through his son ( Jesus)" Heb 1:2

NEWBIN:
John 14:9

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

YES , but dont forget Jesus said ' I am a representative from the Father ' John 7:29 .... DO u see " Representative" , That should help u understand his words above.

" the one who sent me IS REAL" John 7:28!! Jesus here emphasize that the Father who sent him is a REAL PERSON!

Lets look at another scripture :

" the witness of TWO MEN is true, I am one who bears witness about myself (1st witness), and the Father who sent me bears witness about me ( 2nd witness)" John 8:17,18
This Clearly shows Jesus as a distinct and separate person from the Father .

The title " God" or "god" can refer to someone in authority or someone who have dominion over others .

We have humans that ar caled " Godfathers" and " Godmothers" ... Due to their influence.

Satan who rules the world is also called " god" in d bible... The pronounciation is still d same irrespective of the writing either " G" or " g" .

Football fanatics refer to their favourite players as " Gods" !! ....

In view of this, Jesus Christ can also be called " God" !!!

So we nw av many Gods and god .... WHICH GOD DESERVES OUR WORSHIP!

Jesus point him out as " The Father " .... " true worshippers will worship The FATHER" JOH 4:23 !

Jesus drive d point home when he reffered to the father as " THE ONLY " , " TRUE GOD" who sent him Joh 17:3!! ..... The Father (named "JEHOVAH PSalm 83:18" )
Is the only TRUE GOD. And THE God of Jesus Himself Both In Heaven and on earth ( 1 COR 15:24, JOHN 20:17)

" Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of The Prophet on many occassions and in many ways." WHAT ABOUT TODAY, IS HE STILL USING PROPHETS ?? " Now at the end of the days he has spoken to us by means of a Son ( Jesus)" Heb 1:1,2 God spoke thru his son Jesus whose messianic prophesies and teachings are recorded in the Scriptures .

Since have been watching movie .... My best movie so far is a movie titled: " HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL" !!

What about you ??

chukingchuks:
do you crush on your boss?

Choi!!!

Calm down my bro , the OP never said he falls in love with his boss ..... He only asked what a guy would do if such happened to him . ! . .....

Mitope:
That's why it's called acting

okay

She is younger than you , but she just happened to be ur boss at work , ..... Of course, she is very pretty !! But u know u cant control ur emotions ...uhmm , i mean its just beyond ur control and u find urself thinkin about that beautiful Lady everytime .

You have now have romantic feelings for her , u no longer think about her as ur boss, but as the mother of your kids !! When her car arrive to the workplace .... Ur heart skipss and beat heavily , she has become an integral part of you !

SUSPENCE: If u fall into such situation , though full of risks ( u should know, it may lead to that thing called " SACKING" .... ) ! Risk .... But what if it worked and she agreed . Dream come true .

Pause for a while , lets say you as a guy falls into such web of life ..... If you fall in love with your boss , CAN YOU WOO HER ?

.... And ladies, u can contribute too , u know what if u ar d boss, ur reaction ??


Tag: the yoruba movie "IGBOYA"

Lets drop our views and opinion

vooks:
Very predictable these Watchtower Sheeple.

Open ur eyes .... I quote jude 7 NOT Watchtower !!

Let's look at Jude
Jude 1:7 (KJV)
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1. Sodom and Gomorrha suffered eternal/everlasting fire

YES
, Jude 7 says it

2. Sodom and Gomorrha were destroyed thousands of years ago

Yes .... " Sodom and Gomorah ..... were reduced to ashes" 2pet 2:6 !

NOTE: "reduced to ashes" 2pet 2:6

3. Eternal/everlasting fire means anything BUT FOREVER. It means annihilation

Those cities ar gone ...... Infact
matt 11:23 let us know they dont exist till the time of Jesus !!! .....