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A001:
I didn't refute that. It's an undeniable fact that the human body has many flaws.

What I refuted is his assertion that anyone can design a human body.

Ok then we are good.

If a discussion is going on here that doesn't interest you then stay of out and allow those interested to engage themselves.

A001:
I agree with your post mostly, but the highlighted is a funny assertion.

Even the smallest part of our body is extremely complex, let alone the whole human body.

It would take the brightest human minds millions of years to design a human. I don't think you know the level of complexity of the brain, liver, lungs, etc.

Our sciences are still primitive as oceans of mysteries remain unknown and undiscovered by researchers.

I was writing a book on consciousness late last year, and by the time I delved deeper into the research of what consciousness is, I realized the problem of consciousness is really a hard one as the Austrian philosopher David Chalmers said.

It would take years to develop a robust theoretical and mathematical basis for consciousness.

At one point while working on the problem, it would look like I had cracked it, then the whole thing would look nebulous again.

After reading various books on the subject, it dawned on me that to understand the problem of consciousness, one needs to gain a deep understanding of Quantum Physics, Electromagnetism, String and Superstring theories, holographic duality theory, hypercomplex numbers, just to mention a few.

The human body is extremely complex, and to understand what consciousness is, it would take scientists at least 200 years.

Do you know the level of research done for the past 100 years and billions of dollars spent to develop the Standard Model, the most successful theory in Physics?

If you do, you wouldn't have made that statement. I don't think you understand how complex our body, especially the brain, is.

Are you refuting his claim that the human body has many flaws or what? He is not wrong in that aspect. The human body has numerous flaws and also contains some organs we don't need.

fattprince:
Werey I know. But Bible talk say, he allow Mary born Jesus before he touch her and they born plenty children

According to the Catholic faith and some other Orthodox churches, they never had any other children.

Roland17:
Baba, which Catholic teaching taught you or anyone that Joseph was old? No Catholic doctrine will teach you Joseph was old, except the ones written by other faiths/ denominations to ridicule the immaculate conception or Mary’s place in the life of Jesus? Based on what we know from the Bible and the Catholic faith, Mary had an immaculate conception and died a perpetual virgin. Which means she never bore another child after Jesus for any human and Ezekiel 44:2 alluded to this immaculate conception and perpetual virginity and Revelations 12 did the same.

In the original Greek writing the word used was “Adelphios” which means brother which is distinctively different from “sibling” which did not exist in Greek language, so the closest would have been “blood”. The Greek word “Adelphoi ka Adelphai” meaning “brothers and sisters” were typical words used amongst extended families and people who shared the same faith or even ethnicity, it did not imply they were members of the same nuclear family.

Joseph was a carpenter and every year as tradition required, they walked to Jerusalem for the feast of the Passover and the journey was 3 days long. I am supposed to believe that Joseph, a man whom according to you was 90 when he married Mary walked to Jerusalem from the time Jesus was born until he passed? Remember, the recorded version of the walk to Jerusalem was when Jesus was 12, that means Joseph would have been 112 years old, with Mary and Jesus..Abeg tell me another Cap

Let me state that while I am a Catholic Christian, I am by no means a fanatic when it comes to religion because I know very well that religion has been weaponized over the decades, so has the writing/ interpretation of the Bible. One last thing, I believe Joseph is the most underrated character/ personality in the Bible.

They are many historical and Catholic writings dating back to 100AD that proved Joseph was an Old man before he was betrothed to Mary. So many apocryphal writings like the Gospel of James and History of Joseph the Carpenter( written in the 5th century). Another one is the Panarion written in 374 AD by Epiphanius the bishop which detailed the earlier marriage of Joseph were he had 6 children. One of the earliest documents we have outside of the Bible that describes Mary’s life is the Gospel of James, and it depicts Joseph as an older man who was essentially Mary’s guardian. It’s also one of the first documents that declared Mary’s perpetual virginity. The brothers and sisters of Jesus in the bible was referring to those children from Joseph earlier marriage.

fattprince:
What fact? Let's even reason logically. According to the Bible Joseph never had any wife or children before having Mary betrothed to him . So he had to wait till he was 90 before marrying a 12 years old girl I mean doesn't that sound like he agreed with a man to marry his great grand daughter does that make sense?

The bible mentioned nothing of such nature at the bold. According to Catholic and some traditional history on Saint Joseph dating back to AD 180 , he was an old man and a widower with six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James before meeting Mary. Hence the bible mentioned Jesus having brothers and sisters.

Ellexy:

Thought as much.

Ellexy:
Okay

Now back to my earlier post.

Capaldi:
It seems you have started confusing yourself. Christianity is an Abrahamic religion so is Islam as it's stated in their Quran. What stand did you bring from the bible yesterday? If you say because Islam doesn't recognize Jesus Christ as God that means it's not the same deity then Christianity and Judaism are not worshipping the same deity as well cause Jews don't recognize Jesus Christ as a God. Whatever narrative you want to jump into,it's going to choke you. You have no point whatsoever.

Ellexy:
What is your religion again?

I don't have a religion.

Ellexy:
You're very funny. Yesterday I told you the stand of the Bible about this issue and you downplayed it. .

It seems you have started confusing yourself. Christianity is an Abrahamic religion so is Islam as it's stated in their Quran. What stand did you bring from the bible yesterday? If you say because Islam doesn't recognize Jesus Christ as God that means it's not the same deity then Christianity and Judaism are not worshipping the same deity as well cause Jews don't recognize Jesus Christ as a God. Whatever narrative you want to jump into,it's going to choke you. You have no point whatsoever.

Ellexy:
This passage you quoted is very funny

I have given you the passage and they are plenty more that shows Islam is centered on worshipping the same Abrahamic God as Christian/Jews.

Ellexy:
Lolz, no be wetin we tell you yesterday, you gree?

I mean it's literally in Islam holy book that they worship the God of Abraham not hearsay or personal opinions.

""And who would reject the faith of Abraham except a fool! We certainly chose him in this life, and in the Hereafter he will surely be among the righteous”"

Quran 2: 130

Including numerous Passages in the Quran.


You were giving me your personal opinion with nothing to back it up.

A001:
Facts? Okay.

You need to research the history of religions (especially the popular ones).

If you do so, you'll realize there are little facts in your posts on this issue.

Okey.

BlueMann:
Ramires

Retirement looks good on him. Have you seen Torres?

A001:
It's obvious your knowledge of the history of these popular religions and gods is limited.

The fact that Yeshua (your god) plagiarized the texts of older (African) religions to develop the Bible doesn't mean Christianity originated from Africa.

Also, the fact that the writers of the old testament copied the concepts of the religious texts of gods like Mithras, El, Sin, and older religions doesn't mean Judaism originated from any other Asian country except Israel.

And the fact that Muhammad plagiarized the Bible to develop Qur'an doesn't mean Islam originated from Isreal.

Only a mischievous or ignorant person says Islam has its origin in Israel.

The origin of the god of a religion shows the origin of that religion.

If you took a course in a foreign school and plagiarized their literature to create a local concept (such as a philosophy) centered around your personality, the origin of that concept is your country, not the foreign country you stole their knowledge.

Men this is tiring. I have given you facts after facts yet all you bring is backhanded logic from were I can't fathom that has no evidence or credibility. Man am done with this.

A001:
I didn't mention Judaism in any of my posts. Jews and Christians both worship Yahweh since the god originated from Israel and both religions originated from that country.

Judaism and Christianity are the personal philosophies of Jehovah, just like Islam is the personal philosophy of Allah.

Do you have your own personal philosophy or you adhere to the personal philosophy (the religion he founded) of Yahweh?

Stop disgracing and confusing yourself with the location of their origin. Islam originated from Judaism, trace their roots to Abraham and worship the same God as Abraham same as Judaism. It's all over the Quran . Judaism and Islam are FAR more similar than either of them are to Christianity in structure and practice but also beliefs as far as who God is. Even their definitions of God and the nature of God and monotheism are pretty much exactly the same and actually conflict with Christians beliefs about God. The people of the religion are telling you yes but you are saying no. Make it make sense.

Even within each religion they discriminate against the branches of their own religion. Sunnis hate the Shia and the orthodox Jews have sustain hatred for the reform Jews. Protestants and Catholics also have animosity towards each other. Even in the same various religions they are different doctrines and beliefs.

Ibime:
Capaldi approach is factual, which is that Mohammed claims the same God as the Jews. It is all over the Quran.

Whether the Jews or Christians accept it is up to them. Of course they won't. But then the Jews won't accept the Trinity God of the Christians either.

Smartest thing you have ever dropped in my mentions.

A001:
Christians and Muslims don't worship the same god.

Christians worship Jehovah/Yahweh, an entity native to Israel who claims the title God in the Bible.

Muslims worship Allah, an entity native to Arabia who claims the title God in Qur'an.

Bro it's basic understanding and I won't be going back and front with you on this . How can Islam that follows and even appropriated most of Judaism be worshipping another God different from Christianity? So basically you are saying Christianity and Judaism worship a different God. Yes or No....!

A001:
Lols. It's a religious conspiracy to say Jehovah isn't the same entity as Allah?

It shows you don't know much about Jehovah, the God of the Bible, and Allah, the God of the Qur'an.

Well, I'm not surprised; most Christians I know don't know a lot about the Bible.

It's a historical fact that each of Allah, Jehovah, and El (or Elohim or El-Shaddai) has claimed the title of God Almighty in their religious text.

El had reigned before your religion was created.

You're merely reacting to my post emotionally. But anyone that researches the history of your religion will easily discover that Jesus Christ isn't a real person.

He's just an idea based on a real human that had lived in the past (extinct) world.

You don't know my religion so stop all those crap. Both Judaism, Christianity and Muslim worship the same Abrahamic God. Allah is just the Arabic word for "the God". Allah, Jehovah,Yaweh etc are used to refer to the same God in different languages. Jesus Christ has been proven by various theologist and historian to be an actual person that existed so stop believing Joseph Atwill delusion that He was a fictional character created by the Romans.

Amoto94:
For a start what do Arab Christians call "God"?

Arab christians call "God" Allah.

A001:
Christians and Muslims don't worship the same god.

Christians worship Jehovah/Yahweh, an entity native to Israel who claims the title God in the Bible.

Muslims worship Allah, an entity native to Arabia who claims the title God in Qur'an.

Each of these deities is different, with distinct histories. Only those that don't know the history of Yahweh and Allah say they're the same.

According to the Bible, Yahweh gave birth to Jesus Christ. But according to Qur'an, Allah gave birth to no one, which is one of his most important attributes.

Saying Muslims and Christians worship the same God is tantamount to stating Israel's Herzog is the same as the Saudi Arabia's King Salman, but both are different individuals being the leaders of the two Asian countries respectively.

In history, thousands of gods have been worshipped by humans, including Atum, El (or Elohim), Baal, Ra, Allah, Olorun, Jehovah, Zeus, Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Chukwu, and many others.

Each of these gods has all claimed the title of God at one point or the other in history. Thus, it's incorrect historically and etymologically to say Allah is the same as Jehovah.

Most Christians pray to the pagan god El or Elohim thinking they're praying to Jehovah. But both are distinct entities with different histories.

I just laugh whenever I see all these pastors shouting El-Shaddai. They don't know El or Elohim was an adversary of Jehovah.

But the clever writers of the Bible plagiarized the writings of god El, importing concepts like hell into Christianity, and also copied the religious texts of Mithras and those of the ancient Egyptians.

Hundreds of years later, Muhammad also plagiarized the Bible, especially the Jewish writings, to get Qur'an.

Also, before Jesus Christ, the fictitious character designed by Rome to dominate other nations, there had been many Kristas that claimed to be the savior of their people.

Most religious people don't carry out objective research of the history of the god they worship. But it's very important.

Bro all what you have typed are religious conspiracies so I don't know where to start from. First of all the conspiracy that Jesus was a fictional character has been rejected by all scholars of antiquity. Don't be fooled by Joseph Atwill delusion that Jesus was a Roman construct.

Ellexy:
For CHRISTIANS the Bible is the Highest authority has the final say in all matters. The same Bible says any Spirit that denies the Diety of Jesus is not of the God. On this hill I stand.

Coming back to this. Judaism also reject the Deity of Jesus and the trinity so going by your logic Christianity and Judaism don't worship the same Abrahamic God right.

Kilishihunter:
This one isn't even where they bleeped up as red cards can happen anytime. The game against Watford was where they did rubbish. Watford were there for the taking na. See the way they were manhandled though they scored in the first ten minutes against leceister. I still think he'll stay up sha.

At this point I think Everton are already safe. Leeds and Burnley have harder games coming.

Android22:
They are not so-called. They really are. I am waiting for your admission of ignorance on the subject matter first though.

When you are done with all these your nonsense and are ready to provide your so called verses/passages then mention me.

Android22:
I need you to admit that you did not know it to begin with. It is important. Please.

still waiting on those so called verses/pages.

Android22:
Confess that you did not know it then I'd do that.

Mr man can you please bring those verses or pages out.

Android22:
I have many but I want you to first confess that you don't know what the Bible teaches. Deal?

Bring out those verse or places in the bible that refutes it.

BlueMann:
Never trusted a 10-man Everton to keep them out

Everton 3:2 down.

Android22:
That Christians and Muslims believe in the same God.

What verse or places in the bible refutes it?