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Nigeria's journalist, Tomi Oladipo, was pictured carrying victims of the terrorist attack that occurred in Nairobi, Kenya on the 15th of January 2019. Tomi Oladipo is BBC's Africa security correspondent.

I thought they said Nigerian journalists prefer to cover violence from a mile away.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46888682

Tetehjewels:
https://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/x_large/public/articles/2018/11/13/nz-boeing-131118.jpg?itok=mWhAx2lh&timestamp=1542073025

US planemaker Boeing on Friday said it had agreed deals worth an overall $9.3 billion to sell 50 jets to Nigeria's Green Air and 30 to Saudi carrier flyadeal.

The company lauded the Nigeria accord, which includes a further 50 options, as the largest signed to date in Africa.

As with the Saudi deal, the Nigerians are purchasing single-aisle 737 MAX planes.

"While flyadeal has been operating new Airbus A320s, the airline says it has selected the 737 MAX for the future," Boeing said in a statement.

The firm noted its first deliveries to Saudi Arabia were in 1945, as those DC-3 aircraft "gave birth to commercial air travel in the kingdom".

Flyeadeal is a subsidiary of Saudi Arabian Airlines and flies to a range of domestic destinations across the kingdom.

Boeing quoted the director general of Saudi Arabian Airlines, Saleh bin Nasser Al-Jasser, as saying: "The demand for air transport services in the domestic market of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has grown exponentially," adding flyadeal had ambitions eventually to "cover new markets outside of Saudi Arabia".

The flyadeal is for the 189-seater 737 MAX 8, whose operating costs Boeing said were eight percent lower than the carrier's current fleet of Airbus A320s.

If all the purchase options are exercised, the two deals unveiled Friday will be worth around $17.6 billion at list prices.

Green Airways owner Babawande Afolabi said the Nigerian end of the deal was a strong sign of growing African entrepreneurial dynamism and resilience.

Boeing saw that deal as a step towards construction of a "solid" Pan-African network, adding the Africa aviation sector has "exceptional" potential.

Since launching the 737 MAX Boeing said it has received more than 4,800 orders from more than 100 customers worldwide.

European rival Airbus said earlier this month it had 380 net orders for planes from January to November with 673 deliveries over that period.

Boeing said it had landed 631 orders between January and September


https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/africa-top-stories/boeing-lands-jet-deals-with-nigeria-saudi-for-dollar93-bn/ar-BBRfYoH?li=BBQbhAJ

Mynd44

This press release is inaccurate please refer to https://www.nairaland.com/4917099/nigerias-green-africa-airways-places

Earthbound:
So why is it taking so long for the government to resurrect a national airliner?

Successful modern day airlines are efficiently-run private sector driven entities.

National carriers are a thing of the past.

Green Africa Airways, a Nigerian start-up value airline, and Boeing announced a commitment for up to 100 737 MAX 8 aircraft, evenly split into 50 firm aircraft and 50 options, as the airline gears up to begin commercial operations. The total deal carries a list-price of $11.7 billion, the largest aircraft agreement from Africa, and will be reflected on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries website once finalized.

"Today is a historic day for the Nigerian and African aviation industry," said Babawande Afolabi, Founder & CEO, Green Africa Airways. "This landmark deal takes us much closer to our long-held dream of building a world-class airline that will unlock a new realm of positive possibilities for millions of customers. Broadly speaking, this deal is a bold symbol of the dynamism, resilience and soaring entrepreneurial drive of the next generation of Nigerians and Africans."

Green Africa Airways, a value airline based in Lagos, Nigeria aims to offer safe, quality and affordable air travel and be a significant contributor to the economic development of Nigeria and the African continent. The new airline has received its Air Transport License from the Nigerian government and is anchored by a group of senior industry leaders led by Tom Horton, former Chairman and CEO of American Airlines, William Shaw, Founder and former CEO of VivaColombia and Virasb Vahidi, former CCO of American Airlines.

"Nigeria is uniquely positioned to be the home of the next major value airline. The strategic partnership with Boeing positions Green Africa Airways to expand and improve air travel for customers in Nigeria, and further strengthens the relationship between the United States, Nigeria and Africa," Vahidi said.

The airline initially plans to develop the Nigerian market and then build a strong Pan African network. According to Boeing's 20-year Commercial Market Outlook, airlines in Africa will require 1,190 new airplanes as the continent boosts both intra-continental and intercontinental connectivity over the next couple of decades.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-21-Boeing-Green-Africa-Airways-Announce-Landmark-Commitment-for-up-to-100-737-MAX-aircraft

DANA Air went through a serious audit process before they were reissued their operating certificate that makes them probably the safest Nigerian domestic operator at the moment.

I think they should still be held responsible for their dodgy engine maintenance.

That just goes to tell you how low the operating standards are in Nigeria.

Most of the current operators in Nigeria don't have anywhere near the safety structure that Dana Air have.

Domestic Air travel is still waaaayy safer than travelling by road.

lionlee216:
A layman is here again.

In cars, we have gears changing from gear 1 to 4 just to increase the speed. In planes, do we have such gears too?

Lets assume Lagos to London is 6hrs at a required speed of let say 200km/hr, can d pilot can just decide to increase the speed to reach destination faster like 4hrs plus or 5hrs?. For example; Like Nigeria, a driver can say if he drives to abuja from lagos, he will spend 8hrs and another can say 7hrs.

They say china is Very far, Australia is far etc. Those presidential jets. Will they stop to refuel or they can destination straight without stopping at neighbouring countries to refuel?

All these falcon x, gulfstream like those in presidential fleet, can y travel long range like from Nigeria to like south Africa, east africa and north africa.

I see A380 is very huge, which Boeing can compete with it in terms of efficiency

Dont tell me to ask google poop

Most jet airliners have a design cruise speed, usually Mach 0.7 to 0.85 (approximately 800-1000kph) cruising above or below this speed will adversely affect range just like driving ur car at gear on or at 250kph for a long distance. Jet aircraft do not have gears, but some propeller aircraft can adjust the angle of the propellers for high or low speed conditions.
The Nigerian presidential fleet is really top of the line by any standards. The G550 and Falcon 7X are some of the longest range business jets in the world.

Aircraft efficiency is a really complicated topic. The A380 is the most efficient, if you can fill it up. And that's the biggest problem, very few airlines can fill them up. Unfortunately, most A380s are not flying with enough passengers to make a profit. The Boeing 777-300ER is the king at the moment

omohayek:
A miracle - a meaningful discussion about monetary policy on Nairaland! I'm too tired to participate tonight, but keep up the work guys [@Bevista and @jpphillips].

This reminds me on the Nairaland of old, before data became cheap

This may be good news to some.

The aviation industry has been dreading the entry of ex-militants into the industry as airline pilots.

Secondly, i have met many of the beneficiaries of this program and I can categorically tell you that many of them are not militants. Most of the actual militants were unable to complete the training program due to unruliness and just not been suited for the program. Those that scaled through were the non-militants who were smuggled into the program. The whole amnesty programme is flawed. They should have concentrated on skills that suit the personality of ex-militants.

bidexiii:
NEW BUT YET TO BE IDENTIFIED,NAF UTILITY HELICOPTERS
ON THE BATTLE FRONT'S.

These are civilian helicopters. This particular one and a sistership were used heavily during the 2015 election campaign in Northern Nigeria. i saw them many times all over the place. The soldier is probably one VIP protection duties.

bidexiii:
ANY-ONE WHO KNOW'S WHAT THESE GUYS ARE ?

Most likely EOD units.

Take notice the camo t-short in the first picture. I saw a "Special forces of the Nigerian Armed Forces" poster a few weeks ago and it had operatives dressed in some interesting uniforms. There were 2 or 3 digital camo patterns and also complete webbings. I didn't get a good look because it was on some oga's desk and I didn't want to get frog-jumped for snooping

bidexiii:
PICTURE OF A NA SNIPER WITH AN "BARRETT M82" ANTI - MATERIAL SNIPER RIFFLE

This is a perfect antidote to insurgent technicals and IED-laden suicide cars. One round to the engine block and the technical loses it greatest asset on the battlefield: manoeuvrability.

Next item on the wishlist: ATGMs

bidexiii:
A NA (SF) Member of the 72mobile strike force. With a beryl riffle mounted with an advance thermal imaging scope !

Haaaaaaleluyaaah!!!!

bidexiii:
WHAT IS THE STORY BEHIND THIS "YET ANOTHER MYSTERY HELICOPTER" SEEN ACTIVE AT YOLA LAST NOVEMBER?

This was the mysterious helicopter that crashed a while back near Yola with Caucasians on-board with lots of cash and ammunition.

Mistaken for NAF or NA Aviation assets, but I'll bet they are PMC operated through the NSA.

bidexiii:
NAF HELICOPTER

Can someone help I'd these bird ? I know it will be an agusta westland but just want to be specific bit I know it might be of the 109 variants ?

The AS350s are operated by our "foreign partners" on their "training missions". hey don't shoot me, I didn't use the "M" word.
I have identified at least 8 aircraft used by m_____________ in direct combat support in the north-east.

Ah, let me go bury my head in the sand like everyone else.

your options are:
ILR-ABV (Arik or Overland)
ABV-KAN (Aero, Arik, Azman)

or
ILR-LOS (Overland)
LOS-KAN (Aero, Arik, Azman)

Thanks boss

I'm interested in knowing which factory installed navigation systems work in Nigeria. I've heard that some manufacturers do not offer maps that cover Nigeria.
I would appreciate if you could state the type of car, year of manufacture and your experience/obsrvattions.

I'm a heavy Google maps user and would like to buy a car with a system that would give me a similar experience

Bugatie:
Mr President dis not derogate anybody!
It's in their nature for touts to shout in motor park, otherwise, how will ppl hear them.
Shouting is their working tool, same way a mechanic uses spanner

I don't blame you, I blame the Nigerian educational system for your inability to distinguish between "shouting" and "quarreling". Do motor park workers need to quarrel to get their job done?
In a saner society, that careless comment will cost him the election. NURTW has significant voting power.

It's not very cultured for a president to degrade an entire profession of Nigerian citizens. After referring to motor park workers in such a derogatory manner, he will expect them to vote for him.

They can't deceive us anymore. We will believe when we see them parked on the tarmac at makurdi

We have special forces units in the navy and army, who are very active in the north east. It's a worldwide practice fir special operators to wear masks to conceal their identities due to the nature of their work.
I hope I'm right.

The aviation transformation is a big sham, talk to any aviation professional. These fares are not sustainable and none the airlines have any serious long term plans. 90% of the airports are not economically viable. No single airline in financially buoyant.
Aerocontractors and Dana Air - Dem dey try small but barely hanging in there due to the harsh operating environment + the usual internal mismanagement

Azman Air - run by the owners sons who are clueless. Dead airline walking.

Discovery airways - owned by a subsidy "beneficiary" gone broke. Dead airline walking

First Nation - hasn't modernised it's business model since the bellview days and can't compete with the newer competition. Dead airline walking

Arik Air - Chairman of dead airlines walking. Horrible business model and in extreme debt. Hanging in there cos the owner is a GEJ sycophant so the presidency keeps the banks and other debtors of him. Will die within 24 hours of GEJ leaving office. Currently owing staff 2+ months of salary in addition to a massive debt portfolio.

Air Peace - new kids on the block. No solid business model or commercial management. Wrong aircraft that can't make money with their current business model. Enjoy the cheap tickets while they last. Let's see if they survive past the first round of major Aircraft maintenance checks.

Now I see why companies recruit foreign graduates ahead of Nigeria-trained graduates. Since I returned to this country, I have always struggle to analyse the thinking of the average Nigerian graduate I come across in the corporate world.
The big issue is the barbaric mentality.
The same mentality that makes a man pummel four young students to death with wooden planks and then douse them in fuel and set them alight?
The same barbaric mentality that makes a crowd of onlookers watch the above and not intervene
The same barbaric mentality that makes young men believe they have to join secret cults instead of engaging in intellectual research and development
The same barbaric mentality that the average nigerian student displays in the name of "Aluta", instead of displaying a higher intellect than the average
The same barbaric mentality that the average nairalander is displaying on this thread based on 95% of the responses above.
The same barbaric mentality that exhibited on most nairaland threads were supposedly educated people cannot have a discussion without displaying illiterate traits such as name calling, religious and ethnic bigotry, etc

So let's analyse a scenario:
We have a hypothetical Uniport student called Victor. Victor has just watched the video of the killings on his phone and is enraged as you and I are.
So we are saying Victor should leave his dormitory and proceed to Aluu?
When he gets to Aluu who in particular is he supposed to attack (Those chaps on the video are definitely going to be in hiding)?
Let's assume Victor decides to "teach the community a lesson as whole" by destroying random property or hurting random people, how is he different from chap with the big stick?
What exactly is the intellectual reasoning behind the protests?
I thought building a tetiary institution in a community is supposed to increase the intellectual level of the community
Why not address the fundamental issues:
1. Failure of the security system: Indigenes and Uniport students resident in Aluu, including one of the deceased, have complained about the lack of security in that area.
2. The activities of secret cults in Nigerian universities which contributed to the above, among other social ills
3. Failure of the Judicial system: That allows criminals to walk free. That leads to Nigerians taking the law into their own hands. majority of us are ignorant, lynchings have been the norm in Nigeria for over 20 years.

I guess in four engine planes, the failure of one engine or even two (one of each pair on either side), can still be managed by an experienced Pilot.

But most of our local flights use two engine planes (one on each side) and the failure of one will cause so much "roll" that the plane would 95% of the time, CRASH.

if we want to make comparisons, lets compare like with like.
Now show me how many single engine planes (one on each side) survived an engine failure while fully airborne?

That plane should have been properly checked before passengers board...... and the problem detected earlier.
If that has been done, all these "fear and near mishaps" could have been avoided.


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Utter drivel! In certain circumstances, 4 engine airplanes are more critical to land in engine failures than 2 engine aircraft. A lot of 4 engine aircraft are not flyable with only the number 1 or 4 engine operative, others cannot execute a go around maneuver with 2 engines on one side inoperative.

Passengers have need to worry about engine failures. Airlines use "transport Category" aircraft which are certified to PART 25 standards. This means the aircraft should be able to safely operate following the failure of an engine at any phase of flight. Engine failures in modern aircraft are rare.
Every pilot (Jet transport, certain turboprop pilots train once a year) in Nigeria has to undergo recurrent training every 6 months which include two mandatory items: engine failure on takeoff and single engine landing. To a competent pilot, its all in a day's work.

In the airline industry, the assumption is that airplane components are not 100% reliable so contingencies are made for failures. The buffer between what aircraft are capable of and what is actually permitted in operational service is called the SAFETY MARGIN. The important thing is this safety margin doesn't get eroded by greed and sharp practices. The primary duty for ensuring this does not happen lies on the NCAA, which itself is a very weak and ineffective agency.

Let's all refrain from uneducated comments please. Despite the fact that most of us claim to be educated and enlightened,majority of the posts here seem like the views i would expect from Aluu villagers.

The aircraft in the picture is a Bombardier CRJ900 jet, Most likely of Arik Air. Overland does not operate Jet aircraft. Arik Air operates any Abuja-Ilorin-Abuja service.

Hovering means to stay suspended in the air without moving. Aeroplanes cannot hover, only helicopters. They HOLD. Holding means to fly in a racetrack pattern over a point.
Reasons aircraft hold:
1. To wait for another aircraft to take off and land
2. To wait for weather conditions to improve
3. Somtimes air traffic control may request an aircraft to hold to create additional space between aircraft
3. to sort out a technical issue. Pilots have long checklists they have to complete whenever there is a problem. It is common for pilots to "enter a hold" during emergency situations especially when they are close to the airport.

Holding is a perfectly safe procedure.

The aircraft did not crash land. There is a difference between a crash landing, a precautionary landing, and emergency landing and a normal landing. please don't get people's heart rate unnecessarily elevated. The aircraft had 2 (out of 14) burst tires.

Your list is totally full of errors
Type Price Owner
1. Falcons 7X. $51m(N8.2billion) Mike Adenuga (possibly on order, but i think he has a falcon 900 on order, half the price)

2. Bombardier Global 6000 $45.5m (N7.3billion) Unknown (River State Government among others have this on order)

3. Bombardier Global Express 5000 $45m (N7.2billion) Aliko Dangote (I think he has a Global XRS which is a bit more expensive, not a 5000)

4. Gulfstream G550 $40m(N6.4billion) Bishop Oyedepo (I doubt. Baba has a Challenegr 604 and a Beechcraft 1900D. There used to be a Hawker 800, which I think he sold.)

5. Gulfstream V $30m(N4.8billion) Bishop Oyedepo & Pastor Adeboye (Bishop Oyedepo see #4 above. Baba Adeboye has a G4 not a G5)

6. Bombardier Challenger 604 $30m(N4.8b) Mike Adenuga (you got this one right, he also has a Global Express XRS $45-50m)

7. Embracer Legacy 650 $30m (N4.8b) Ifeanyi Uba (I'm not too sure, he was supposed to get a Challenger 605 but it was put on hold during the banking crisis)

8. Hawker 900XP $20m(N3.2b) Dr Kashim and Sir Aremu Johnson (Kashim of Barbedos group has a Hawker but i dont know whether its an 800Xp or a 900XP. He also has at least one, possibly two, Embraer Legacy $30m and a Learjet 45 see #10 below) (Arumemi Johnson has a Global Express XRS $45-50m + two Hawker 800XPs + an airline)

9. Gulfstream G450 $15m(N2.4b) Bishop oyedepo (not too sure about this one, see #4 above)

10. LearJet $13.3m (N2.1b) Bishop Oyedepo and Dr Kashim (Bishop Oyedepo.not too sure about this one, see #4 above) (Kashim =true)

This is not the top 10 list at all. What about the chap with the G550 ($60m) and a King air 350 (N5m)?. There's a lady with a Global XRS $50m. A chap with two GIVs and a falcon 900. Another chap has a GIVSP (G450) and an S76 helicopter. Quite a number of Challenger 604/605 owners. Another chap has a Falcon 2000. One former governor had a Gulftream III, a G4 and two Do328 Jets. One famous retired general/oil block owner has a Challenger 605 and a Hawker 900XP.


Finally, I am familiat with Bishop Oyedepo's travel itinerary. It is impossible to accomplish with commercial airlines and will be more expensive if he chartered the aircraft. So it is actually cheaper and more convenient to own the aircraft

The biggest killer in Nigerian avition history, Nigeria Airways, had most of its aircraft delivered brand new from the manufacturers. Except for one or two, all the aircaft WT crashed were younger than 15 years old.

Madam Minister, Please enlightened as to how you came about this figure. what formula was used? what research was done?The gullible Nigerian public is going to go to bed feeling very safe, even though the factors that caused the numerous crashes have not been eradicated from the system.
The aviation ministry and its parastatals are awash with mediocres in positions of responsible. Same thing with the so called aviation experts (numerous "captains" who have never flown for any airline).

As for National carriers, this is a thing of the past. Airlines are now privately run companies. In fact, government funding conflicts with international competition laws. The government should set up policies that make it easier for local airlines to flourish. This law is actually a set back for local airlines. There is no bank in Nigeria that can finance brand new aircraft, so the only option is for airlines to go for older, cheaper (and not necessarily more dangerous) aircraft. so Madam minister should tell us how i can get financing to by my new shiny jet.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this policy is not going to make flying in Nigeria safer.

The typical airliner has hundreds of systems, each comprising of dozens of components. Most systems have redundancies as required by law. It is not unusual to have to have aircraft flying around with known faults. The Minimum Equipment List (MEL) lays down the limitations of flying with defects.
Most aircraft in the MD83 category have a total life cycle of about 50000 flying hours or 75000 cycles which ever comes first. The Dana aircraft were definitely within this limit. In fact, with improvements in maintenance aircraft can be operated indefinitely (known as "on condition"). Most operators will replace older aircraft with newer ones due to high fuel consumption and high maintenance costs, and not safety.
Scandinavian SAS got rid of their Dash8 Q400 fleet following a series of high proile incidents, to improve the company image. These aeroplanes were hurriedly purchased ny other carriers.
What matters is how the airline deals with these faults. There are airlines in Nigeria that ignore the restrictions laid down by manufacturers and the authorities. It is the duty of the NCAA to ensure airlines comply, but the NCAA is really deficient in its function.
The fact that DANA Air aircraft in the past had malfunctions and the pilots terminated the flights is commendable. There are many operators in Nigeria who will continue to their destination so they dont draw attention to their unscrupulous practices. Also the NCAA does not promote air returns. NCAA officials will immediately ground aircraft following an air return even after the faults have been rectified by licensed engineers. The NCAA has issued instructions to the air traffic controllers to not let an aircraft depart and airport following an air return until an NCAA official has cleared the aircraft. Most of these NCAA inspectors are not even familiar witht he aircraft they are inpecting. Sometimes pilots may do an air return just as a precaution even when something is not wrong just to double check so as to have that 100% confidence that safety is assured. If you do that you will recieve an instant NCAA grounding. As a result, a lot of pilots try not to report incident to air traffic control.
20 year old airplanes are very common in the western world. Some of the Boeing 747-400 aircraft operated by British Airways on a lot of routes including Lagos-London are over 20 years old. Northwest airlines operated it DC9 fleet till they were about 31 years old. The United states air force B52 bombers are going to be operated till they are 80 years old! a significant proportion of the world's cargo fleet flew for decades in airlines before undergiong conversion to cargo aircraft.