jaxxy:
The million dollar question is what is the reason? any crimes commited? There should be a reason.

We ask some dumb questions sha.

DeOTR:

Very annoying. It's because it's very convenient to be lazy.
I don't rate any public servant, including their counterparts, the political office holders.

The bold sums it up

Agree on all counts.

When I first got to england despite being a graduate, I had 2 full time minimum wage jobs as a security guard and at macdonalds. After finishing 12 hours of standing, I will go and do macdonalds where there is not a second of rest. I did what I had to do to improve myself. In Nigeria, you are a minimum wage worker you earn 30k or less and you have time to go to church for overnight vigil and revival?

We are not serious

DeOTR:

Ask most of them if they can pay their cleaners at least 150k as they want the minimum wage to be, it'll be another story.
I've learned one thing in life: the best way to get a pay raise is to change your job. No profit oriented organization will wake up one morning and decide to double your salary.

The annoying thing is these people mostly are unskilled and have a bad attitude and poor work ethic. You would think that common sense would tell them that the best way to get a salary increase is to work so hard to get noticed and make themselves indispensable.

triplechoice:
No . It's exploitation when you pay someone a salary that's below what they deserve simply because the law has given you the freedom to do so. Why can't an employer be considerate and do it the right instead of hiding behind the law?

You should understand that the average business owner is unwilling to pay reasonable wages unless he is forced to by the laws of land where' he operates.

If you can't afford driver ,then don't employ one and pay him peanuts. Drive yourself until you can afford to. The driver is a human being like you that needs to feed very well in order to give you his best services.

Minimum wage is not the only thing responsible for the ever rising cost of living everywhere . Why you choose to focus on minimum wage alone, and ignore the other factors is what I still don't understand.There are countries without a minimum wage yet they experience inflation from time to time.


It's very wrong to use something that happened in the past when the circumstances were completely different to interpret the present or make forecast about the future. You won't get it right.

The 70s was a period when most Nigerians were working as civil servants and so you can understand why the impact of the award was wildly felt, leading to traders raising their prices arbitrarily .

But times have changed. Only a few are civil servants, and so, each time there's an upward review of minimum wage in this country,it's only marginal increase in the prices of goods and services that usually result , which is not enough to cause hyperinflation.

I didn’t read all you wrote but let me tell you a basic principle in emplotlyer employee relations. If you feel your employer is exploiting you, you are free to quit and find another job. It is not slavery, it is not forced Labour. You likely can only get what you get because that is what your productivity and skill set (or lack there of) is worth in the open market.


Like I said you are free to quit. You have a sense of entitlement. Nobody owes you a job or 3 square meals, you earn it by the value of your work. If 30k is all anyone is prepared to pay you, then get a second job. Or go and work for your father’s company where you can be idle all day and get a salary that is comfortable.

I have repeated this many times: the reason why most employers are only willing to pay minimum wage workers so little is 1) they are unproductive…you need 3,4,5 to do the job of 1 person so the salary that should go to 1 person is shared amongst them. As a Nigerian business you are competing with imports from other countries with productive workers not workers who spend their day singing and playing praise songs. In the end the customer does not care whether The employer paid you and the 3 other unproductive workers he has to employ N100k each for every 1 worker his competitor abroad does. He is only interested in the price of the product.

kelvindj98:
I honestly don't know why some folks here derive pleasure in people suffering. You celebrated when Emefielle made Naira scarce because it helped your useless candidate. You celebrated this strike too despite mostly affecting average Nigerians. You better check yourselves to asylums. Mad people.

Most of them
Will end up suffering from the effects of the new minimum wage because most of them don’t know the minimum wage law does not even cover them. It does not apply to employers with less than 25 staff, agric workers, contract staff, part time workers, etc. majority of employees fall into the excluded category.

triplechoice:





.A lot of states, about 31, have been paying correctly the old minimum wage of 30k and even above it. You ignored those ones for zamfara state where the governor is violating the law due to wickedness and not because he can't pay in order to push forward your false narrative that most states can't pay if it's increased. Lagos, Edo and some few others are now paying above 60k to their workers. Why are you blind to those.

Modified. Yes, minimum wage won't take you home but at least it will help prevent exploitation of workers by employers who will like to pay below that .

It is not exploitation if the law does not mandate that they comply with the minimum wage. The vast majority of workers in Nigeria (over 90%) do not fall under the law and it has been So they will continue to be paid way below the minimum wage. They won’t benefit from it but their cost of living will rise due to the inflationary effects of the minimum wage. That is my point.

Read about the Effect of the 100% Udoji award of the 1970s. Govt workers got 100% salary increase, In anticipation prices started rising in the end there wasn’t much benefit for the rest of the country only perhaps govt workers. On the contrary prices went up for everyone else.

Nigerian journalists are so mediocre. In all of the story no mention of what is being mined, why are you a journalist?

mbahdi:
Useless nlc
Dem no serious only fighting for their selfish interests

The irony is that many people supporting Labour do t realize whatever minimum wage is agreed will not trickle down to them and will cause inflation.

To start with (see section 4 below) minimum wage law exempts employers with less than 25 staff, agric workers, contract workers, part time workers and daily rate workers. It applies only to government and organized private sector workers with 25+ staff strength. So all this wahala for majority of Nigerians nothing will change.



Long and short most people backing Labour will not see any benefits and will reap the negative consequences..inflation and job losses. Labour will tell you they are fighting for you they are not. In a nation of over 200m people only 1m are federal government workers and the majority of those are not on mimimim wage.

If you don’t work for the federal govt and you are earning 30k, when all is said and done, after all this noise and wahala, you will look at your alert and it is still 30k…because all this was not for your benefit . Your employer would not be breaking the law because minimum wage does not apply to him. If you complain too much you will be sacked. By definition if you are on minimum wage you are easily replaced, your skillset if any is not scarce! The real issue like I have said many times is the lack of productivity of the Nigerian worker


The salary of a Zamfara teacher who was earning N8000 is not suddenly going to go up to N60k+ . Where was Ajaero when it was N30k, they were paying 8k since 2019?


Finally I should add, minimum wage anywhere in the world is not meant to take you home. Yes they say so but in practice it never does. You are not supposed to be comfortable on minimum wage or else you have no motivation to improve yourself and that is bad for any economy .

CuteNbad:
The Peak of Stupidity is believing that this current crops of nigerians politicians are incapable of paying themselves such.

Your mindset is poor. A man is poor first in his mind before he becomes poor in life. Fix your mind. What some of them make in deals is more than your misleading inflated figures. No need to invent lies.

CuteNbad:
but Nass member earning 2M+ basic salary with 27M+ allowance MONTHLY Is realistic abi.

Stupidity is when you believe their monthly allowance is N27m. Stupidity is believing they collect over N50m a year for accommodation. People are taking their annual allowance and passing it is monthly and you believe? At that point the problem is your stupidity.

Are senators guilty of many excesses..yes but there are things you see and common sense must tell you this is not plausible.

Benjamin4388:


you are trying so hard to come across as someone that is woke...but you are really so daft and am not offering any escape route for you..continue in that state of mind..it might probably serve you well

This is simple basic laws of life since time immemorial. A man eats what he sows, from the toil of your hands you shall eat. The real world does not care what the price of garri is in the market. What matters is what is the economic value of your abour or output? That is what determines what you are paid.

I repeat for the umpteenth time, the average worker in Nigeria has an output of N150k a month. So you understand, a minimum wage worker under civil service structure is level 1, a graduate is level 4, a perm sec is level 16. So the average worker we are talking about is level 8, I.e a graduate with experience. Where then should a minimum wage worker fit it if a graduate with experience only has an economic output of N150k?

These are facts not sentiment. What you people are suggesting is that the minimum wage worker should be subsidized for his inefficiencies and lack of productivity and we know what Al happens to subsidies in the end. Besides, where is the money to come from? You may not like my comments about religion but I am simply giving you one example why the output of the Nigerian worker is so low.

ALCOHOLKILLS:


You are writing jargons, I am not even a worker nor a civil servant but a business man. unlike you what affects other Nigerians affects me too hence I used us, I won’t reply you again and I never bothered reading your nonsense. Is obvious you’re a teenager or a fool at forty under your parent’s roof

Shame

Thats like someone claiming to be a lawyer and not understanding what tort is. Even the pure water hawker, the tomato seller, Jelili the mechanic understand input costs…including cost, output and economic value of labour.

ALCOHOLKILLS:

People like you who brag worth nothing in reality. an empty barrel makes the loudest noise, is obvious you don’t even worth my reply….. God have mercy on your lost soul . I won’t indulge you, you’re below my level

By Felicia

It is not bragging, it is reality check and I don’t care about your name.

You are employed to sit at the exit of a supermarket and your job is to tear customers receipts on their way out. Even at that you are useless that customers have walked past you and you are calling them back ( we all experience this at supermarkets) how useless are you at tearing receipts that you are distracted and customers walk past you?

They pay you 30k. You think you are hard to replace? 1 million Nigerians are queuing to replace you tomorrow if you dared to ask for salary increase because you will be sacked. That like it or not, is the story of the typical Nigerian minimum wage worker. His role requires no skill and he doesn’t do it well. If by chance a new minimum wage is introduced and enforced people like that will lose their jobs because no employer is going to pay anybody 70k just to tear receipts.

Many people don’t realize the reason they even have a job is because their wages are 30k or whatever. Any higher and your employer starts to question whether he needs you.

ALCOHOLKILLS:


You are mad thinking I earn 30k monthly people like you are evil and selfish and only think for yourself alone. You’re a pathetic lost soul

Truth hurts!

There is someone doing a job earning 30k that will get sacked if he dares ask for a salary increase, yet there is someone doing the same job on 200k that his boss will pay him whatever he wants than have him leave.

The difference is value.

A rude awakening is happening in Nigeria on many fronts and many will abuse me for this but it is about time!!!

ALCOHOLKILLS:
criminals and they are paying us 30k monthly

Because you are only worth 30k. If you could get more you would. Others earn a lot more. There are drivers and cooks who earn 40k and there are those who earn 200k.

If you could earn more you would leave and get a better job but you can’t leave because those who pay higher wages don’t like people with poor attitude to work or poor skill set.

For every job paying 30k, there are people doing the same job are earning3,4,56 or more times for the same job whether you are a gardener, driver, teacher or Nurse. Why is it you can only get a job that will pay you 30k?

Most Nigerians don’t want to accept the reality, you get plaid little because you offer little.

Davidcorny:
So your anecdote applies to over 150 million Nigerians? If even half are lazy then the crime rate would be in every state. You're out of touch, your posts just highlight one or two points from the people replying you then apply a broad generalization to it. Please list the two jobs you think an average Nigerian ought to have, or can all Nigerians pick up a fast food job by night and civil service job by day? Or can we all have trade jobs? People like you are most likely sponsored to spread disunity on this forum or have some agenda behind your posts.
Before Nigeria got this way people could work one job and afford a house, is that feasible for most anymore? No, but you in the UK you want Nigerians to pick up multiple jobs, jobs that don't exist here compared to the UK, at least if you're spreading propaganda, spread something more realistic, though from the average nairaland puff piece it's expected to see gutter content.

First of all I live in Nigeria. I am also an employer of Labour commercially and privately. So I talk from a position of knowledge and experience.
Secondly, in Nigeria of the past there was work ethic…that has gone and a reason for that is Pentecostal Christianity and entitlement mentality.

I have some minimum wage staff that I retain simply because I know they have families not because they bring any real value for what they do or don’t do. It’s only in Nigeria you pay someone you know doesn’t do anything because you. This is why I can say for a fact that many people will lose their jobs especially in the private sector if they dare ask for a salary increase because many employers just keep them on for emotional/benevolence
and not economic reasons.

I already gave you the example of my gardener. I wanted to sack him a few years ago because he useless. He used to be full time and earning now N50k a month, at the time he was on 40k a month. My wife persuaded me to keep him for 3 days a week and increase his salary at the time to N50k. I since found out he was only coming half days for only 2 days a week because he does other jobs on other days. Bottom line is he has 4 other jobs. At least he showed initiative. Others are spending their time in church praying and fasting.

I am fine with that because like I said he is useless and I have people in the house who do the things he is supposed to do anyway but he dare not ask me for a raise.

Let me tell you something about 95% of Nigerian minimum wage workers in my experience. They are mostly useless and not worth the little they earn. You have to be really useless to earn minimum wage in Nigeria. We retain them because the next one will be the same. You sack one the next one is equally or more useless. Every now and again one comes along you can’t afford to let go…..that’s the one you pay the big wages.

I always tell them but they never seem to understand you are not a skilled worker. I can have 10 of you tommorow. So if you have no special skill seperate yourself from the crowd with your dedication to your job and when you do, whatever you ask your employer will give you. But you can’t come with entitlement mentality and wushu washy attitude to work and be demanding salary increase…Lori kini? Which work are you doing, what value are you adding to my life? It’s not just minimu wage workers, same with many graduates.

gigfx:



You make sense sha. Work here in the UK no easy. If na to dey laugh for customers they employed u for, u self go know say u work when u finished work for that day.

Please tell these people here at home. They think they can japa and continue their nonsense abroad. Abroad if they pay you £1, you will earn that £1. I am always amazed in Nigeria when I go to a supermarket or shopping mall and the staff are playing Christian music or music of any kind and dancing. That’s why they are on minimum wage that can’t take them anywhere.

In fact I remember the day I went to order some furniture from a Lebanese, he told me he could get it done the next day. “But you know your people have to go to church”. It wasn’t a Sunday, his staff attend night vigil on fridays. You and I know that if it was in the Uk we’d happily stay and get paid time and a half or whatever…not Nigeria, they must attend vigil. Then there was the I went to cash and carry and the staff were playing Christian worship songs singing, I just walk out in disgust…I am a Christian myself. Somebody employed you to sell goods and a customer walked in needing attention instead your loud music was a turnoff and none of them even noticed me. These things happened about 10 years ago but it was when I knew religion has killed the Nigerian work ethic. These are the workers whose salaries can’t take them home. How can it, when someone employed you to sell his goods but you didn’t notice the customer because you were singing and dancing to loud music?

Don’t let anybody tell you there are no well paying jobs in Nigeria. The problem is mediocre workers.

gigfx:



In as much that I agree with you that we pray a lot for everything in Nigeria, and that is just the way we are brought up. But, to be reasonable the jobs are not out there, many graduates of 10 years ago are out there with no jobs. So, where do u want to see 2 place to work.

And u here in the UK were able to work 2 jobs because it is hourly work based. If ur contract is 37hrs a week, u know by say 4 days u will meet up with the hours. So u have extra 3 days and the jobs are out there. If u like u look for another job or use the 3 days to rest.

And that is my point, we have created a culture of entitlement and though they are not solely responsible, our pastors have contributed massively to it by encouraging miracles and prayer instead of work. That is why the economic contribution of the average Nigerian worker is N150,00k a month. If an average worker contributes 150k, how little is a minimum wage worker contributing economically? We are a very unproductive people, the reason why salaries are low is because it can take 3,4,5 people to do the job of 1 person so naturally the salary that should go to one person is shared. It is only in Nigeria you will employ someone whose only task is to tear receipts from customers exiting a supermarket…think about it…that in itself shows the Nigerian worker has so little economic value. That you can employ one just to tear receipts. Thank God you live in the Uk, do you see security men sitting down? Do you see workers in commercial and government establishments idling around doing nothing? Toh!

Normally your salary should be less than your economic contribution as an employee. If you want to work in Nigeria, there is work, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise and those who deliver value get paid well precisely because most are useless and unproductive.

Oh and by the way it is not the way we the old anthem generation were brought up. This religiousity and praying for miracles and favoir started with Pentecostal Christianity and that’s largely post 1990 phenomenom.

Kobojunkie:
This man ehn! Na him gullible followers wey dey suffer in all of this I dey pity. Imagine coming to this life to worship another man, generation after generation!

The time they should spend doing a second job, they spend in church every day. They are the ones that will come to the only job they are lucky to have tired because they spent the night at Vigil. At least if you are tired because you have 2 jobs one will understand.

I discovered my y security guard has 2 jobs, my gardener has like 5 ( he is supposed to come 2 times a week for the whole day but I let him do half days for the same pay so long as the job is done) And some entitled people feel they have a right to demand ridiculous wages. Lori kini?

gigfx:



I don't know the abroad you are referring to anyway. But one thing I noticed about Nigerians working two jobs in the UK is that, not that they can't survive with just one job on their own. But because they wanted to send money home, mostly they engage in 2 or more jobs.

I only work part time, 24 hrs per week, just 3 days and my wife also works same pattern, with two kids we are okay. Living in 3 bedroom flats. It's only when Billing from Nigeria comes thru for my wife she always pick extra shift or overtime.

Maybe if Nigeria too can shift to hourly rate work. Then maybe things fit dey different. And more jobs for many, so the money can go round.

I lived in the Uk for over 2 decades. I worked 2 full time jobs myself as a security and as a Mac Donald’s worker and you know how hard Macdonald’s work is.p if you have ever tried it or know someone who has and Uk security is not work where you sit down like these lazy nigggggers here. The problem with the Nigerian is they are lazy and entitled and have been conditioned to pray for everything instead of working. A minimum wage Nigerian will have a full time job and instead of getting another he will spend the time in church praying for miracles.

Whatever your reason for doing 2 jobs is immaterial, the bottom line is your single job is not enough which is the point of the minimum wage worker in Nigeria.

Paragon311:
Taking away subsidies from Fuel, Power, Education had a major impact on the Citizens.

What are the cushion effects implemented by the government for soft landing for the Masses...

Absolutely everything is damn expensive at the moment and there is no sign of any getting lower.

These increments are needed now but a very reasonable one at that.

Stop spending your productive time in church doing vigil and making pastors richer with the small you have. Get a second job! Minimum wage workers abroad have 2 jobs to make ends meet. You have time to spend in vigil after work but you have no time to take a second job?

press9jatv:
even upon the removal of fuel subsidy since last year May, it’s still in disadvantage to Nigeria and its people. Upon that the money meant for the people are been siphoned on daily basis. Abeg you have no point here. Tinubu government should yield to the Labour unions demands

Oga please stop quoting me unless you can answer the question. The topic of this thread is minimum wage. What is the economic output of a minimum wage worker if that of the average worker is 150k?

When when tell poor people that pastors will lead them astray, the chickens are now coming home to roost….their productivity is low. When they spend time in church, vigil, revival etc….this is the result…low productivity.

Now they want salary for work they have not done.


Abeg don’t quote me with foolishness. How much is the economic output of a minimum wage worker. That is the basis for discussion not the price of bread or tomatoes.

press9jatv:
when your oppressors are busy looting the treasury that’s meant for you and your family, did they think about the GDP you always mentioned here.. you are even ignorant about the fact on GDP growth in Tinubu government. Tinubu government and his cronies are never ready to cut their salaries to half or quarter, they are even proposing bills to increased their salaries more. Keep on defending your oppressors. The strike never reset some people’s brain yet. Seyi Tinubu is been given billions of contracts still Nigerian workers are wallowing in penury.

People answer questions nobody asked them when they don’t have answers to the question at hand.

press9jatv:
Nigeria workers are lazy why Nigeria politicians that are living large are not Abi. Keep supporting your oppressors.

Typical Nigerian mindset of avoiding the issue by diverting to another issue.

Thank God this is not a matter of opinion but fact.

The economic output of the average Nigerian worker (aka GDP per capita) is less than N150,000 a month. Yes or no?

If yes why does a minimum wage worker expect to earn anything close to the average worker, or put it another way why does a minimum wage worker feel entitled to reap from where he has not sown? From whose output shall we pay the unproductive worker?

If no, then contradict my figures with your own figure.

You want to debate politicians, create another thread, this thread is about minimum wage workers.

Honestblogger23:
Unfortunately, the nationwide blackout in Nigeria is a direct result of the government's failure to address the demands of the labour unions. The strike highlights the urgent need for a fair and sustainable minimum wage that reflects the economic realities of the country.

Labour is being unreasonable. The GDP per capita of Nigeria is N150k a month. Where in the world does a minimum wage worker earn close to the GDP per capita?

Nigerian workers are lazy, economically unproductive and entitled.


It is universally known that a man shall eat from the sweat of his brow. The economic output of an average worker is only N150k a month, so where is a minimum wage worker coming from?

Rikze:



I don't think you have sense. Because if you do, you can't mock Nigerian workers who are living in pain and penury.

1). Nigerian workers are unproductive. The reason they earn so little is because 3,4,5 people are doing the work of 1 person so they share the salary of 1 person. The GDP per capita of Nigeria is approximately N150K a month. This is the average worker not the minimum n wage worker. How can the average worker contribute N150k a month to the economy and the lowest paid. (With a much lower output) expects to be paid anything close?

2: I will reproduce a tweet I saw earlier today. The long and short is look at the federal allocation of most states divide by a minimum wage of even N100k. It will tell you how many workers a state can afford to employ assuming it spend no money on anything else. No roads, no schools, no nothing. It means a state like Oyo with Feb FAAC of N10b can only afford to employ 100,000 workers across all its schools universities, ministries etc etc…assuming all of its workers are minimum wage workers and it does not spend on anything else. if it had 100k workers to start with, at N150k minimum wage it will have to sack 40,000 workers.

https:///dmightyangel/status/1797375682311495887?s=46&t=zIh8l0Y5x1WkbEiRY9Q56Q

This is why I don’t understand the obsession with seeking foreign investors up and down.

1) if we get our act together, they will be the ones scrambling to invest in Nigeria.
2) they are fair weather investors, once things are tough they leave
3) they repatriate their profits putting pressure on our forex reserves.

Personally I always celebrate whenever a multinational exits Nigeria especially in the FMCG, pharmaceutical area…..because it just provides a void for Nigerian busineses/business men.

We don’t need foreign investors in FMCG, telecoms, pharmaceutical, oil, electricity, agric. If we cannot build and dominate these sectors on our own then we are not serious as a people.

N

mctfopt:


Thanks for this update. That was helpful.

You are welcome. I just stumbled upon the post where timselectric said he actually had 23.7kw on just one inverter. I had been looking for it and was beginning to think I was going senile because when I checked his build thread his signature said 3 growatts. Clearly the single Growatt was in the early stages.

Read and enjoy! (If you haven’t already)

https://diysolarforum.com/threads/overpaneling-specifically-growatt-spfxxxxt.47725/

Frezhkid10:

Golden morn is an healthy food..no preservative nor harmful chemical in it.

Well done continue feeding your children. Those who have sense should google the ingredients. Even the “natural” ingredients are dangerous to human consumption. Corn is basically sugar and Soy alters your hormones especially in men.

NSK4U:



But it has never happened. Your people right from Awo knew why they were afraid of allowing Biafrans to go. The development will be unmatched and you don't kid me to know better than them. But the truth is that the agitation has refused to go away, let there be referendum today, 99.9% Igbos will be on its actualisation

Don’t drag Awo into this because your forefathers told you lies to hide their shame of defeat in the war. We are not the ones denying you referendum, in fact it was Zik that insisted there should be no referendum when Awo and Sardauna insisted on it but they agreed because they wanted the British to leave quickly.

Referendum is a win win for us. Either you go (we lose nothing) or you stay (you swallow humble pie) either is a win for us…..we don’t care. The whole of SE is just about the size of Oyo state. If it were enough for you, you wouldn’t be fleeing in droves.

Let me also let you know that the real reason why you haven’t been granted a referendum is not because anyone cares if you leave. The real reason is because the North is not United and opening the door to the SE May open the door to minority tribes in the North. The North is fractured and hasn’t been the same because they don’t have a “leader” like they had under Ahmad’s Bello….that’s the real reason there is fear of referendum….that it will lead to balkanization of the North. Trust me nobody cares if you leave, not the North not the Sw and not the SS. Stop giving yourselves more importance than is merited.

I keep saying that I wish a leader will be bold enough to call your bluff, they know it’s a bluff but like I said it’s not you they are worried about. Ask the rest of Nigeria if they care and they will all tell you the same thing. So why haven’t they granted the referendum? …because it’s not losing you they are worried about.

Again I repeat the SE is the most dependent on the rest of Nigeria for its livelihood.

Please let me state this, ibos are our brothers and sisters, that’s how we grew up. I always saw myself as a Nigerian and never about tribe but you guys are overplaying your hand with this tribe thing and it’s getting tiresome. At some point people call your bluff when the noise becomes too much.

I do t know why people are stressing themselves over regional govt. an exercise in futility which amounts to playing to the gallery. It will never see the light of day. The very 1st set of people that will reject it are the SE houses of assembly.

I have always said it if you want to shit down Biafra and secession talks, give them
Referendum. When they realize they are the biggest beneficiaries of Nigeria and those with the most to lose they will borrow themselves brain.