So, we have been able to establish that.
1) Dr. Eben wasn't declared brain dead because people that are sedated are never declared brain dead.

2) Dr. Eben made up his 7 days theory, people who have NDE lose perception of time.

3) Professor Oliver Wolf Sacks has already explained everything that happened, so I don't see any argument here.

4) Christians and their lying to further their agenda. Al Taqiya comes to mind.
And it's called Obsterics, not gynaecology. You want to discuss immunology and oncology and you can't even get your terms right? So when I mention cd4 you'll call it condoms 4?

Laughable.

butterflylion:


Allow me jump-start your herbal brain.

Now you change the language to PROVISIONAL DIAGNOSIS OF LABOUR ba?

Labour isn't diagnosed based on dilation alone is it?

Latent phase :
Cervix less than 4 cm dilated.

Active phase
Cervix between 4 cm and 10 cm dilated
Rate of cervical dilatation at least 1 cm/hour
Effacement is usually complete
Fetal descent through birth canal begins.

The diagnosis of labour is made when these criteria are met:

history of regular, painful contractions: in well-established labour, a uterine contraction lasts for about 50-60 secs and occurs every 2-4 minutes.
There is a show or breaking of waters and
progressive dilation of the cervix.

I hope you know what A SHOW is.

Dilation must match with the history of contraction as I already mentioned and not dilation alone.

You just got set up and you fell for it as the herbal doctor you actually are.

Regular uterine contraction is different from actual established labour contraction which is why the spacing and frequency are ALWAYS TIMED as I already stated.

You are a medical shenanigan!

Where is your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of cancer oga herbalist?

Oh, you want to go technical?
Dumbo that doesn't know that it's possible for a woman to reach full dilation during labour without rupturing her membranes which will now be ruptured artificially using an amniotomy hook called Artificial Rupture of Membranes.

Dumbo that doesn't know that women can be in active phase of labour before seeing SHOW.

Watch out for the technical areas beofe you say women push at 4cm, bloody liar.

I can repeat it for you again, like I said, repetition is needed for dumb people to get things.

A woman presents with regular uterine contraction with cervical dilation at 0cm is admitted under the provisional diagnosis of labour. Cervical dilation of 0cm doesn't preclude labour because Latent phase of labour is from 0cm to 4cm.
If cervical dilation progresses, then the woman is in true labour but if cervix remains at 0cm after observation, then she's diagnosed as having Braxton Hicks.

I repeat, no one says False Labour at presentation.
Do you want me to repeat it for you again so that you can get it?


This simple thing is messing you up, you now want to discuss immunology and oncology.




Your personal Lord and Savior wasn't brain dead.
He had his NDE as he was regaining cortical function.
Dude totally made up his 7 days as per Tupac Shakur wey him be because it's been proven that people with NDE lose perception of time.




Go to the health section and open your thread. I can't view your Medical ignorance alone.
Colleagues have to see it.

butterflylion:


Do you even realise you are a jumbo dumbo? If forced labour is never diagnosed at presentation is actual labour also diagnosed at presentation without duly laid down medical checks required carried out?

I can see you head isn't in the right place. Herbs have done a number on that medical shenanigan brain of yours.

I know I sound like a broken record but it has been shown that you have to repeat things for dumb people before they get it, so I don't mind repeating.

A woman presents with regular uterine contraction with cervical dilation at 0cm is admitted under the provisional diagnosis of labour. Cervical dilation of 0cm doesn't preclude labour because Latent phase of labour is from 0cm to 4cm.
If cervical dilation progresses, then the woman is in true labour but if cervix remains at 0cm after observation, then she's diagnosed as having Braxton Hicks.

I repeat, no one says False Labour at presentation.
Do you want me to repeat it for you again so that you can get it?


This simple thing is messing you up, you now want to discuss immunology and oncology.




Your personal Lord and Savior wasn't brain dead.
He had his NDE as he was regaining cortical function.
Dude totally made up his 7 days as per Tupac Shakur wey him be because it's been proven that people with NDE lose perception of time.

butterflylion:


Shut your odour reeking mouth. These are your very words in two places. First:



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What medical personnel would first diagnose labour prior to checks? Any credible gynaecologist would use these words of mine in quote "LETS CHECK HER AND SEE" or "LETS SEE IF SHE HAS BEGUN LABOUR". Then checks are done to determine labour.

Second post of yours:

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ONLY A NON MEDICAL PERSON WOULD FIRST MISDIAGNOSE PRIOR TO CHECKS. A woman begins to feel what she thinks is labour but is she medically qualified to confirm? So she goes to her gynaecologist and says "SIR I THINK I AM IN LABOUR".

Her gynaecologist in accordance with proper medical procedures would ask certain questions after which he would ask her to lay down on the examination table for cervical check. Then and and only after then can he declare full labour or Braxton Hicks (which he never diagnosed in the first place as a misdiagnosis)

I hope your herbal brain can wrap itself around all I just said.

You are a Fvvcking medical shenanigan!

Free advice to you as well right here and now. Help the medically ignorant by posting your ground breaking pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of cancer here so you can help our illiteracy.

Like I said, keep out doing yourself.
False labour is never diagnosed at presentation, the woman is first of all observed over a period of time before it could be said that she has false labour.



You don't read? scratch that, do you even know how to read?
This small thing is proving too tough for you and you want to discuss immunology and oncology.
Laughable.

butterflylion:


Shut up ogbonu jati jati! This your herbal medical practice is really a big problem to you.

WHY AND HOW WOULD ANY MEDICAL PRACTITIONER FIRST MISDIAGNOSE WHEN THERE WAS NO CHECKS PRIOR TO CONFIRMATION OR DENIAL?

ONLY LAY MEN WOULD FIRST MISDIAGNOSE. WHY USE A LAY MANS OPINION AS A MISDIAGNOSIS WHEN THE RIGHT DIAGNOSIS IS BRAXTON HICKS WHEN THE PATIENT IS OBSERVED?

RIGHT DIAGNOSIS IS BRAXTON HICKS WHEN CHECKED AND THERE WAS NO INITIAL MISDIAGNOSIS BY A COMPETENT MEDICAL PERSONNEL.

I hope you can see as I deliberately and clearly showed you your medical shenanigan.

You are medically inept and just wish to lie your way through an argument.

Where is your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of cancer?

Wow, so a woman shows up with contraction and after no dilation is noted at initial check, she's immediately called Braxton Hicks despite it being shown that labour starts at 0cn dilation.


You're outdoing yourself. Clap for yourself. Don't say this rubbish at the health section when you eventually open your thread. Free advice.

butterflylion:


Felixomor again when caught he runs and hides behind sarcasm. He just lied again about his own comment. Let me show what he calls sarcasm

Catfishbilly said the below



Now when his Braxton Hicks error is exposed the same person who emphatically used it as an example now calls it sarcasm.

Hahahahahahahaha what a jumbo dumbo

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The post you quoted clearly states, labour was misdiagnosed, the diagnosis now changes to false labour/Braxton Hicks. Never called it sarcasm.
It is fuckkking there you illiterate retardddddd. Person with medical knowledge that encourages women to push at 4cm. That's how you'll tear their cervix and ake them give birth to dead babies.
Now I know why you don't like journals. You don't fuckkking read. Your education made you so.




Go to the health section and open a thread, let the whole world see your ignorance.

Half baked illiterate.

butterflylion:


Claiming Braxton Hicks is a misdiagnosis for actual labour when Braxton Hicks does not cause dilation which occurs in actual labour would be the least of your blunders trust me.

Claiming you have a pathophysiology for spontaneous remission would be the least of your blunders trust me.

Claiming stroke does not have degrees would be the least of your blunders trust me.

Need I go on? Your herbalist knowledge is too dim for actual medical science. No wonder all you do are make assumptions and have medical fantasies of things not medically available.

Where is your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of cancer.

I have explained Braxton Hicks and labour 2 times on this page. You're too dumb to comprehend it, that's why you go around making ridiculous Medical statements.


Since you're too dumb to understand Braxton Hicks and labour, it's a given that you'll be too dumb to understand sarcasm even if it's fuckkking you in the arse.


Go to the health section naa, why are you scared? Don't you trust your brain anymore Mr Dumb fellow that doesn't even know the definition of labour but wants to argue immunology and oncology.


Fuckkking retardddddd.



And your Lord and savior was never brain dead.
He had his NDE as he was regaining full cerebral function.

butterflylion:


Isn't it a shame that knowledge isn't restricted to you? I am a sharp minded individual and same way you always refer to medical journals poorly understood by you I do same but with a better understanding.

If you wish to cop out simply say and do so rather than this your appeal to sympathy.

Where is your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission which you claimed you had. By the time you post it here then you will know just how knowledgeable I am. Go ahead.

Illiterate friend go and open a thread in the Health section then we'll discuss that topic so that your ignorance will be laid bare to the Medical world.

Pushing at 4cm would be the least of your blunders, trust me.


You are not even a medical personnel, you're not qualified to engage me, you said so yourself.

felixomor:


Shattap,
Likewise since end - stage cancer is supposed to lead to the end of the patient
If it reverses then its no longer end-stage cancer that was diagnosed.....
Chai

You are really a herbalist!

I'm not going through this with you again. You and your illiterate friend go and open a thread in the Health section then we'll discuss that topic so that your ignorance will be laid bare to the world.

Pushing at 4cm would be the least of your blunders, trust me.

butterflylion:


All these your shouts of illiteracy is not what was asked. You claimed you have access to the pathophysiology for spontaneous remission and since yesterday I have been begging for it and the only responses I have gotten from you have been shouts of illiterate illiterate upandan.

It's obvious you are simply on a face saving mission right now since you know you have nothing to show oga herbalist.

All over this thread your medical ineptitude has been on open display. I may not be a medical person so I am permitted to make little errors compared to what a so called herbal cum medical doctor has been doing all over this thread.

Where is your pathophysiology?

You're not a medical person and you have the right to question the opinions of a medical doctor?


End of discussion ladies and gentlemen. This dude isn't qualified.

butterflylion:


Shut your dirty lying mouth. On this very thread you actually invented goal post shifting and have so mastered the art.

Who would consider Braxton Hicks as labour if not the medically uninformed? Can a medical person call Braxton Hicks actual labour when they know what to look for to confirm actual labour?

Do you see your stupidity in full HD format? You are using lay mens assumptions to argue actual medical observations regarding Braxton Hicks. You are a Jumbo Dumbo!

We asked for your pathophysiology and you vanished only to reappear with a labour example for misdiagnosis and you wonder who actually shifted the goal post. Is Braxton Hicks no longer a labour topic?

Why are you this confused herbal doctor? Your Agbo no dey work for you again?

So if a woman having regular contractions suddenly appear and you do a vaginal exam and discover she's not dilated yet, you make a diagnosis of false labour without observation just like that?


No wonder you say women can push at 4cm. Illiterate.

butterflylion:
Catfishbilly since yesterday I have been begging you for this pathophysiology for spontaneous remission and instead you have slowly shifted the talk to gynaecology.

Go to the health section open the thread and we'll talk about it.

So that my colleagues can hear you spill your pseudomedicine bullshit like a woman can push at 4cm.

My belle oooo.
Fuckkking illiterate retard

felixomor:


Keep quiet please
There is criteria for labour diagnosis.
And that criteria is what is used
Brain death also has criteria and that is used also

Stop compounding your issues further.
Meanwhile, your ground breaking pathophysiology is still pending.

There's criteria and there's definition, they both work hand in hand, one can't be done without the other.


So definition of brain death is irreversible, so if it reverses, then it's not brain death. Una dense ooo

butterflylion:


If I call you mumu now people will say I am being a bully.

Remember you first mentioned Braxton Hicks contractions and used it as a misdiagnosis of labour? Does Braxton Hicks cause dilation? Yes or no?

The answer is no! And since the answer is no and dilation is one of the requirements for labour determination how then can a qualified medical person misdiagnose Braxton Hicks as actual labour? Do you see another of your medical ineptitude exposed?

Oga herbalist where is your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission and stop running to text books for simple things about pregnancy.

Goalpost shift alert!!!!!!
Illiterate that says a woman can push at 4cm, how dumb can a person be?


The crux of the debate has been if labour could be diagnosed at 0cm and I've demonstrated that. Latent phase of LABOUR is from 0cm to 4cm. But your blindness won't let you see it.


Now, what I said was that if a woman is having contractions and is admitted to the hospital, a provisional diagnosis of labour is made, but if no cervical dilation is notes after a day or 2, labour was misdiagnosed and the diagnosis is changed to false labour/Braxton Hicks contractions because those contractions don't cause cervical dilation which the woman in question never achieved.

Dumbo

shaybebaby:

No, you are not encouraged to push before 10cm. You get an emergency cesarean. Below 4, I repeat you are not in active labour.
Some women start to dilate, have steady contractions and then cease. They are sent home and given a time to return if nothing has changed and the baby is overdue. Or they are induced to get things moving along. It depends on many things, her general health, if she is at risk of developing certain complications, the health of the baby, even race plays a part in determining what line of action believe it or not.

For most whites, their babies engage weeks prior to due date. For us blacks, are babies mostly do not until we are in active labour.

In essence what he saying is that circumstances change which means that what was valid in one moment no longer is if the circumstances requiring the first pronouncement are no longer there. A new one will replace it.

Thank you. Someone that gets it.

butterflylion:


Exactly! So how can a misdiagnosis occur when you are already at 4cm as he claimed?

He thinks at 4cm the cervix is still closed so false labour can be declared at 4cm.

He does not even know what dilation means which was why I had to post those pictures.

The standard used on labour and determination of readiness for delivery is from 0 cm to 10cm. From 4cm a patient can be encouraged to push especially if she refuses to dilate further after observation. The coming baby as he causes contractions and moves further down will help the dilation along but delivery is often much better and easier when dilation is at 8 to 10cm

And yes high risk pregnancies always cause induced labour options or operative delivery.

Patient encouraged to push at 4cm?

Ha, now it all makes sense. Chai. Wetin person no go see for Nairaland.

felixomor:


The op has demonstrated more medical and even clinical knowledge than you since the beginning of this thread.

The joke is on u

Oh,you too don't know the stages of labour? My God

felixomor:


Another foolish quack attempt
Comparing labour to brain death

There is nothing like misdiagnosis of labour
False labour is a technical term and diagnosis
It doesn't translate to misdiagnosis of labour.
Stop compounding your problems!

I repeat, only quacks like u play with human lives by misdiagnosing brain and certification of brain death.

I was only comparing how definition aids in diagnosis. Smartass, I never compared both.

What I said was that the first diagnosis was wrong, misdiagnosis, so the diagnosis gets changed to false labour.

You guys are dense

butterflylion:


Shut your bloody odour emitting gap called a mouth and withdraw those leprous things you type with called fingers.

A cervical exam checks for dilation from 0 to 10 cm and not 0 to 4cm (another proof of your medical ineptitude)

Even though the patient may be having contractions she would be placed on observation. Her 0cm can jump to 7cm in less than an hour depending on the space between her contractions.

See how easily you can even misdiagnose labour? 0cm to 4cm? My God!

Actual labour MUST INDICATE a few things and one is cervical effacement. Cervical effacement is measured in percentage. When your cervix is 100% effaced, that means it is paper thin, so the baby can slip right through and when this is observed during the cervical check and there are also close contractions then labour is determined.

Are you now a gynaecologist oga herbal doctor?

You know Nada and need to stop typing erroneous medical diagnosis with those leprous fingers of yours. You who claims to know about labour see the misdiagnosis you just gave about labour up there.

Even my attached picture proves me right and proves you wrong!

Fvvcking medical illiterate!!! Herbalist champion!!!

Someone that knows nada about Medicine that can't even get labour right that wants to discuss immunology and oncology.

Labour is divided into 3 stages.
The 1st stage is further divided into
1)Latent phase with cervical dilation of 0cm to 4cm with no finger entering the cervix at 0cm in a nulliparous woman
2) Active phase of labour from 4cm to 10cm full dilation.

Go and read an obsterics textbook. Stop embarrassing yourself. And you want to discuss immunology and oncology.
Little things like this and you can't even get them right.

Fuckkking genius you are.

butterflylion:



Oh lawd indeed you are a medical shenanigan.

No qualified gynaecologist diagnosis labour Without first carrying out checks especially a check of the cervix of the patient to see if it is opening. The cervix is checked for dilation and when dilation is observed (no matter how small) she is said to be in labour or close to delivery.

Why do you rely on definitions so much and not practical observations? Those who misdiagnose labour are the pregnant women themselves or those around them who are not medical professionals. NO GYNAECOLOGIST WILL MISDIAGNOSIS LABOR. IF CONTRACTIONS DO BEGIN AND THE PATIENT IS BROUGHT IN THE GYNAECOLOGIST FIRST CARRIES OUT CHECKS BEFORE DECLARING SHE LABOR HAS STARTED!

you no get sense I swear down.

Now you are using another wrong medical explanation to defend your lies. Even this latest example is medically alien to you oga herbalist especially since you did not know that checks are done prior to labor declaration.

Where is your pathophysiology on spontaneous remission?

Shey you see why I said people that are ignorant shouldn't be talking? You know nothing about medicine so keep quiet.
Latent phase of labour is from 0cm to 4cm that means that cervix can be closed and a diagnosis of labour is made. You don't even know common labour and you want me to discuss immunology and oncology with you?


Fuckkking illiterate.

felixomor:


Sharrap, UK is not my village.
Its Only quacks like you that misdiagnose

Explain the pathophysiology u were told to do

You have been struggling to cover your ignorance all along from stroke to brain death.

You have no shame!

Doctors misdianose especially if the diagnosis is a clinical diagnosis like your brain death
Definition and criteria are used to aid diagnosis.

Let me use labour as an example. Labour is defined as a regular uterine contraction with gradual effacement and dilation of the cervix leading to complete expulsion of the contents of the uterus.
So, a woman comes in with uterine contraction, a diagnosis of labour is made, but after 2 days, no change in the length of the cervix, cervix is still closed then labour was misdiagnosed, the diagnosis now changes to false labour/Braxton Hicks contractions and she's sent home.




Same thing with brain death. It is defined as irreversible loss of function. So, if function returns, then brain death was misdiagnosed.
It's all there in the definition. I don't know how hard this is.



And the stroke post was obvious sarcasm. You christians aren't smart enough to detect obvious sarcasm.

felixomor:


Stop being a fool
Here is another case of someone who was certified brain dead by 4 different doctors in the UK and he still miraculously came back.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9223408/Miracle-recovery-of-teen-declared-brain-dead-by-four-doctors.html

You want to join the clutching straws game?

So doctors do not misdiagnose in your village abi?

Brain death is a clinical diagnosis, so it's largely dependent on the skills of the person diagnosing. Countries like America have even gone further to say that only neurologists should declare a person brain dead.
It's even there in the definition of brain death that it's irreversible. How dense can you people get?

Your Dr. wasn't declared brain dead because he was sedated, how can you come back from a place you never went to?

butterflylion:



Same thing is about to befall who? AgboIjede fall on you!

I have told you repeatedly you make a lot of nonsensical comments. You have my permission to make your submission on this very thread.

Na by force to go health section? If you are such an authority as you claim why do you need your colleagues so desperately in the health section? Does it not show how inept you are? Much the same way you copy and paste from medical journals without at least trying to explain same in your own writing.

If a patient in need of your herbal medicine comes to you so na so you go dey do? Common Stroke you never knew it had degrees and types and when caught again on that one you quickly ran to Sarcasm to hide your shameless lying self.

Stop quoting scripture with your confused herbal brain! Do you not know you are the Swine that scripture in Mathew 7: 6 is talking about?

God's words are not for you to refer to in your defence as an atheist . Even that area too has you confused.

Where is the pathophysiology for spontaneous remission? I still dey wait.

Submit it here and then go and invite your colleagues from the health section to come and join the fun. Or are they anchored down in the health section and cannot move to other sections?

Wey the pathophysiology oga herbalist.

Suddenly now you remembered the health section and that you have colleagues there ba? A place you never visit but always sit here in the religion section yet now you are desperately seeking i go to the health section which even you a herbal doctor no dey go.

500 tonnes of shame fall on you!

Guess you're getting the princessebuka treatment after all.
Next time, if you accuse someone of lying, do so with proof.
Just this small conversation here where you guys couldn't even understand the definition of brain death you now want me to discuss immunology and oncology with you?
So that you can scream and holler "liar" and "made up" to every little alphabet you don't understand? I'm not doing that.


I'm still willing to discuss it with you if you go to the health section. You might learn a thing or two on immunology and oncology.

butterflylion:



See this brain dead hormonal misfit who does not even understand what the discussion is all about how much more what the medical language being applied means is jumping into a thread like a grasshopper just to say it's all lies when catfishbilly has been the one offloading lies like



Now that he has been caught and asked to present his much acclaimed pathophysiology he quickly switched to personal attacks on my educational background and here comes Jackbizzle the recruit to his rescue thinking he can save some face for catfishbilly by calling Felixomor and myself liars.

Kolewerk! You should have sniffed some Cameroon pepper before typing that rubbish because the Cameroon pepper would have given your brain the much needed shock therapy it needed to stop you from typing before reading through the thread.

Jackbizzle we spoke only truth on this thread so what do you gain by trying to show that a liar who is actually a herbal doctor is the one telling the truth? When did assumptions become truth?

As I said, you better go and meet that herbal doctor so he can prepare the Cameroon pepper therapy for you in accordance with his herbal practice.

Please if after reading this absolutely breathtaking thread all you could say are lies of your own by calling us liars then Abeg waka! I do not want to be accused of Child Abuse by the time I start smacking you around.

See, it is very simple. The same thing has happened between my self and princessebuka. I said something Medical and he made himself judge jury and executioner and declared it a lie, I stopped discussing Medical issues with him.


Same thing is about to befall you. Dude it is very simple, I won't give the food of children to swine.
You say I've been lying, point out one lie, you haven't. You just declare something a lie because of yours imagined years and research background in the medical field. Seems like anything you don't understand it can't imagine how possible it is is automatically a lie or made up. I won't waste time with you, if I write you'll shout liar or insult the journal I quoted from (who fuckkking does that except half baked illiterates).


So, go to the health section, open a thread, list your qualifications with picture evidence, I'll list mine, then the good doctors of the health section will serve as judge, jury and executioner, not your illiterate self that haven't got a clue of what I'm talking about.
You know the way to the health section right? Shining example of a failed education system.

butterflylion:


You mumble a lot of incoherent nonsense do you know that? I have already giving you the damn permission to state your pathophysiology right here. You can invite your medical doctors to come join us here on this thread from their health section. I want all of us to have a jolly good time together as we beam the limelight on you and your medical breakthrough of a pathophysiology for spontaneous remission.

Embarking on a temper tantrum isn't what you should be doing right about now. Whip out the pathophysiology like it's done in the western oldies when they whip out their pistols.

Oga herbal doctor my educational level creates a huge shadow around you so go figure.

Your education is nothing to write home about as you could confidently discard a work that physicians spent millions of dollars on research to be able to publish it in journals.

Which school gave you that mentality to completely disregard research work? Have you even graduated? If you have and you did final year project, you wouldn't disregard research work like that. Or maybe it's the fault of your University.



Open the thread in the Health section, I want to expose your ignorance and half baked education there.

butterflylion:



That thing called shame, you no get the nephew of am or the sister or brother how much more the main person called shame.

You are the one who said there is a pathophysiology to spontaneous remission and knowing that you would run to your journals just as you are already complaining up there Felixomor and I asked you for this ground breaking medical pathophysiology and instead of doing your normal copy and paste you are here shouting milky way and illiterate Upandan.

This is my thread so I give you permission to post this pathophysiology here and not on another thread.

Your herbal doctor claiming actual MD body odour no dey give you shame?

My intelligence and that of Felixomor are eons beyond yours obviously if all we have been doing on this thread have been giving you actual medical facts while you have been offering assumptions only.

Now you claim class? Do you even know what class looks or feels like? Are assumptions in the face of facts class? Are lies from you class? Are making up things as you went along class?

Even the milky way you mentioned would be ashamed to be associated with your sort. Just like the legal practice has charge and bail lawyers, in medicine your type are known as being medically questionable or medically ignorant.

Post your pathophysiology here make shame catch you now.

Na wa, I write myself, they say I'm making stuff up, I post articles, they complain. Point where I made stuff up, they can't, just say it beat their chest and believe it.

Bunch of nitwits dissing Medical journals. If your level of intelligence was remotely close to the eons that you're claiming, you won't say those rubbish about Medical journals. Just goes to show the type of education you received wherever it is that you schooled where they don't value research work it's blatantly obvious.


You want us to discuss the pathophysiology, go to health section open a thread at least Medical doctors would be there, then call me I'll engage you and see if they won't laugh you out of your thread with this your ignorant statement on Medical journals.

Felixomor and butterflylion, that you guys talk this way about Medical journals further goes to buttress my point on the theoretical physics and secondary School students analogy.

God, having your paper/research published in a medical journal is the Pinnacle of a doctor's career. That's how new information and breakthroughs in medicine is communicated to the entire medical community. It's not dropped in our hearts individually by the holy Spirit.

I feel terrible engaging you guys if you feel this way about Medical journals. The gulf of class between us is too huge that you could fit the Milky way in it.


If you want to know the pathophysiology of the remission, open another thread in the health section and I'll engage you at least my colleagues will be there to watch you two fools disgrace yourselves.


Fuckkking Medical illiterates dissing the lancet and new england Journal of Medicine. Werin person no go hear from these illiterates.

felixomor:

You have been exposed.
Dear Omnious Quack
So in your deluded logic
We can as well conclude that people who recovered from end stage cancer were also misdiagnosed
After all definition is now a criteria for confirming "misdiagnosis"
Even Cassano was "misdiagnosed" on his prognosis stroke

You see your dead logic?
What A shame?

People who recover from end stage cancer have a name attributed to the phenomena, it is called Spontaneous remission of cancer. With a pathophysiology behind it.
So, they weren't misdiagnosed, besides, cancer is not a clinical diagnosis there are too many diagnostic modalities that chance for errors are all but erased


People who recovered from brain death, what are they called? What's the pathophysiology behind it?


See your dead analogy?

At least you've been able to understand that definition is different from criteria. So I've not been wasting my time

felixomor:


What I asked u is very simple
Show me "Irreversible" in your own criteria that you posted with your own hands.

But we know the outcome.
You are obviously Empty!

Felix are you dumb?
Definition is different from criteria maki chut.

felixomor:


Keeep shut and read the link u provided
And show us where "irreversible" is located in the 4 criteria for brain death l
Clinical diagnosis

Your problem is not only quackery.
You also yell lies.

What a shame!

Definition of brain death is irreversible loss of function in the brain.
Definition of an entity and criteria of diagnosing the entity are 2 different things nna.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2772257/
https://www.openanesthesia.org/brain-death-definition/

Read the links and weep.

felixomor:

Its a lie
You were looking for apnea test because you are ignorant
And not qualified to manage such patient
You were also clutching straws. Just to convince yourself that u r making sense.
And there is nothing criminal in confirming a septic patient brain dead with EEG
You cant stop lying.

I never ever claimed I was qualified to manage the patient.
Apnoea test is used to declare a patient brain dead. So, he's brain dead, ngwa show your apnea test.

Every medical personnel knows that to certify someone brain dead, you need 3 things, coma, loss of brain stem reflexes and apnea test. Every other thing is ancillary including EEG, fMRI. You no know these things? Abi you watched it in Grey's Anatomy that EEG is a major criteria for brain death diagnosis

How can you be looking for who certified when the story clearly says it was only the emergency doctor who had first contact that was interviewed.
Another indication, that u dont read.

And brain death is a clinical diagnosis. eeg is even high up.
Clear your ignorance

You people said he was brain dead, ngwa bring the person and point where he was declared brain dead.
Na wa ooo

Please stop lying
"All the time" indeed

Did we say nobody has experienced such miracle before?
You are the one who used cassano's mini stroke to compare with dr eben
And now you are telling another lie of "all the time" prognosis

People beat prognostic odds all the time.
Cassano did it, people who had spontaneous remission of cancer did too.

felixomor:


Shut up ....
Answer the question
How did u confirm the "misdiagnosis" of brain death?

Because the loss of brain function wasn't irreversible which is a major criteria in the definition of brain death, so patients were misdiagnosed.

Una dense oooo