DoctorAlien:
It is very important to note that Christianity is actually widely different from Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism(headed by the Papacy) rose to power in the 4th century A.D. with the edict of Milan in 313 A.D. For the most correct representation of Christianity and its nature, you have to consult the Bible(a Book which the Roman Catholic Church despises).

Christianity has never been, is not, and will never be in enmity with science and reason. Nor have true Christians throughout the ages ever been opposed to science and learning. God, in fact, commissioned science when commanded man to "subdue" the earth(Gen. 1:28). Luke the Gospel writer was a Physician(Col. 4:14).

While I might not gainsay the fact that the RCC persecuted scientists and destroyed much science literature, Bompiani, in his "A Short History of the Italian Waldenses" records that the Waldensians, a group of Christians who existed throughout the Dark Ages, embraced science, and were very much learned in the "Science of the Scriptures."

No True Scotsman.
Surprise us with something new naa.

JackBizzle:



Where did i cuss on this thread? You well so?

JackBizzle:



Are there theoretical physicists in Naija sef?

I think so.

JackBizzle:



Makes you want to question reality. What if time is actually slow in real life? Dreams are were it is actually moving at a standard pace.

Sure, time is an enigma. I'll defer to them theoretical physicists on this one.

JackBizzle:


Interesting. The surgery was about two hours but it felt like 5 mins. I cant really say when the hallucination started

That's okay. I didn't expect you to. People lose perception of time while under.

So, I think we've been able to prove that a person can hallucinate while "unconscious"

hopefulLandlord:


these doctors and their big big terms, please, break hypnagogic down for laymen like us

Hypnagogia simply means the progress from being awake to falling asleep. It is characterized by a whole lot of stuffs including hallucinations.

In Jack's case, since he said it happened after he got the anaesthesia, it definitely would be triggered by the anaesthesia. Examples are Ketamine and Nitrous oxide.


However, Ketamine is much more associated with Dissociative hallucinations like out of body experience and near death experience.

701ecilana:

Anyone who holds hopdfullandlord in such high esteem as to recant his faith on an account of him, is either a stupid teenager or a lost soul, confused and dead.

It's becoming glaring now. Wen they floored threads trolling and insulting, just calm down, open a thread and invite them to debate.

See what S.pacetacular did to C.atfishbilly who was all over the place making noise, today he is humbled.
Adepeters who was making noise, is now so quiet because if he talks, Space will crush him.

These are people who are shouting intelligence everywhere o, Christians are crushing their balls everywhere in NL.

Where is K.ingEbukasblog sef?

Did what to who?
Christians and their selective amnesia.

Sounds like you had a hypnagogic hallucination Jackbizzle.
It occurred as you were drifting to sleep due to the medications given.
Am I right?

spacetacular:


My dear friend c.atfishbilly you do argue a lot. In my profession experience has always been our guide. despite being medically brushed up we still depend on individual experiences and scenarios we meet on the field to make decisions. All cases do not respond or follow same procedure. We work on an as is basis.

People with personal experiences often need no convincing because replicating such personal experiences are as good as not possible. Each experience is unique to the one experiencing it.

My favorite Nairalander
Good to have you back.

dalaman:


What generates consciousness and how can it be clearly demonstrated?

The vast majority of science is of the agreement that consciousness resides squarely in the Central nervous system.
There's no out of body consciousness that's separated from the brain. It has never been proven last I researched.

butterflylion:


Your Oliver Wolf sacks who said the below quote?

"He speculates that “it might be related to their isolation and social deprivation, their longing for the world—an attempt to provide a virtual reality, a hallucinatory substitute for the real world which had been taken from them"

Note the words "Speculate and might".

He was speculating on why NDEs happen not how they happen. Big difference.

Also your Oliver Wolf Sacks was an atheist and a homosexual who sought for anything to explain away the same God he lost faith in and disbelieved which was why he particularly attacked Eben Alexander.

He didn't particularly attack Eben, he was just surprised that a supposed scientific man closed his mind to any semblance of scientific explanation. Sam Harris was much more vicious.
What has his sexual orientation got to do with anything?

Also Oliver Wolf sacks died in 2015 and with all he claimed he knew about NDE and the brain he could not attempt one single NDE on himself neither could he jump start his own brain when he suffered ocular cancer and when the metastasis spread to his liver.

Yet for something he never experienced himself he felt he could explain away another neurologists experience with a wave of his hand.

However even he could not avoid using the terms "speculate and might". Which shows that in his "certainty" he was still very "uncertain".

So, NDEs have a store in the human brain where you just reach out for them and experience them at will? Things we learn every day.
Eben is a neurosurgeon not neurologist, big difference.
And he didn't explain with a wave of the hand, he gave concise scientific explanation not GodDidIt that the only comeback Eben had was "I stand by every word I said"

I guess now that he is dead he would believe in life outside the brain because he is experiencing it now in living colour.

Of course, in the bosom of the Flying Spaghetti Monster who created heaven and Earth where he will never run out of spaghetti and meatballs.

I still dey wait for your pathophysiology.

I still dey wait for your health section thread.

butterflylion:
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The speed with which you atheists run to claim debunk up and down without making any attempts at reading or doing a proper research is simply a clear demonstration of how stupid and desperate you all are.

I pre-empted all of you and the source of your claims of debunk this and that and if you had bothered to take just 10 minutes to read this thread you would have seen that the links you posted have already been debunked on this thread as far back as page 1. If you couldn't read even the first page before posting this rubbish then I am not shocked at your desperation and stupidity.


http://iands.org/ndes/more-info/ndes-in-the-news/970-esquire-article-on-eben-alexander-distorts-the-facts.html

But the guy has been debunked naa.
Oliver Wolf Sacks article which shows clearly how everything happened. But you still don't wanna accept it.
It's okay though, hold on to your beliefs if it makes you sleep better.

butterflylion:


And you did not see him insulting others (myself included) on this same thread ba?

By the way an insult is never an insult when it is true. He is all he has been called because he gave cause for that to be.

Maybe you can now help him with the pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of end stage cancer which he claimed to have and I have been asking for, for the past 5 days. If I call him a liar now you will say I insulted him ba?

Yea, says the Medical genius who tells women to push at 4cm and declares heavily sedated people brain dead.

Go to the health section. It's not far away, should I post a link for you?

butterflylion:
Catfishbilly I just got in from my pig farm and have this strong conviction that you have finally developed the ability to post your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of end stage cancer which you claimed to have.

Please do not disappoint me as you have done for the past 5 days. Promise and fail is never a good thing.

I dey wait.

Ogbeni, health section is not.far, go and do the needful.
Fear dey catch you?

felixomor:


If they call u journal and wikipedia doctor now, you will start ranting.

Sure, since in your community, it's forbidden for a doctor to regularly update his knowledge. No wonder you're still stuck in the past.

butterflylion:


I remember when you were busy making noise about multi verses and all that and claiming it was actually science when it was full throttle hard core pseudoscience and sci-fi bull crap and you never saw your stupidity even when kingebukasblog slammed you about it but here you are trying to shoot down the same pseudoscience you presented as scientific evidence of an eternal universe.

Oh I guess you did not see felixomors sarcasm.

Pseudoscience bullshitt that gets published in science journals?
This is what a scientific journal looks like, that's Aguirre's model. https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0301042
You don't even know what pseudoscience is. No wonder you're pushing ICR

LightandDarkness:


As in, just the level of stupidity is shocking, and he wants to tell me he's a doctor. Bleep.

It's a Christianity thing. They are just dumb fellows.

felixomor:


And those canals are heme and blood ba?

Herbalist!

The canals supply blood which contains heme to the osteocytes, olodo rabata.

felixomor:

Shut up that dirty mouth.
And where is the blood there?
Shebi u said osteocytes receive nutrients from blood which contains heme?
So the heme is now "gap junction"?

You just demonstrated ignorance on osteocytes and it's going to stay with you for long.

Ediort.

You're looking for blood, abi?
Well, here it is. Osteocytes receive nutrition from canaliculi and harvesian canals
https://www.britannica.com/science/osteon

felixomor:


Sharrap please.
Nutrients to osteocytes exchange via gap junctions by osmosis and other means.

You have exposed your quckery again.
Butterflylion, come and see, the quack ediort is out again!

Receive sense. https://www.reference.com/science/function-canaliculi-3b676589b529f17#

You don't even know the function of gap junctions, and gap junctions don't use osmosis as there's no semipermeable membrane and gap junction transports ions not the solvent as is in osmosis.
A simple link to explain osmosis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmosis
Gap junctions and osmosis are 2 parallel lines.

What are the "other means" you're talking about?
God.

felixomor:


Hahahahahahaha non scientists that floored a university in court.
The joke is on you.

You have posted almost 5 times
And you cant offer any scientific talk on the topic

Speaks much on your quackery. You are the only clown here.

This is not my debate. I've had this debate with you, I'm not going to put myself through that again.

My only job here is to expose them pseudoscientific websites you guys put up. That's all.

Bunch of clowns.

felixomor:


"About Creation-Evolution Headlines
Since August 2000, Creation-Evolution Headlines has brought breaking news and “color commentary” to the origins debate. Unlike most science reporting sites, CEH is not slavishly devoted to defending Charles Darwin’s views, but critically examines the evidence and the underlying assumptions of evolutionism. "


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So Address the topic or shut up!

Firstly, its obvious you dont even know what Osteocytes are. Let alone knowing that heme isnt found in osteocytes.

Secondly, we are still waiting for your groundbreaking pathophysiology.

Osteocytes contain canaliculi and the function of canaliculi is to transport nutrients to the osteocytes and nutrients are transported in blood to the osteocytes and blood contains hemoglobin........ you see where I'm going with this? Olodo rabata.


That rubbish you posted up there was what the idiot wrote on his website, but going through his contents, it's a young earth creationist website. Lying for Jesus

So far, the 2 websites they've brought as proof to back them up are 2 pseudoscientific websites run by creationist loons who have no single idea about the scientific method.


When Christians have to depend on non scientists publishing pseudoscientific facts to push their agenda, then you know that Christianity is running on fumes.

Bunch of clowns.

felixomor:
So Far,

We have had different views from different people including the well researched and including those who copy and paste without reading what they are addressing.

Mark Armitage found soft tissue Osteocytes in a 70 million year old fossil,
Yet someone went to google and used argument on heme to adress the topic.

As if that is not enough, a quack and another supposedly intelligent being suported it and said the issue has been addressed and that we were only copying apologist websites.

Those of us who took time to read and know science clearly know that Osteocytes dont carry heme.

Unfortunately, the quack and the others dont know this.

Even an article from a Darwin Evolution website , clearly shows and states the problem this discovery poses for evolution.
The website even criticised the evolutionists who hang on to the heme explanation



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"Hold your hadrosaurs; this does not solve the evolutionists’ problem. For one thing, Schweitzer and, independently, Mark Armitage, found osteocytes (bone cells) in their samples, not just blood vessels. The osteocytes retain their original structure, including their delicate dendrites. For another, two years of preservation is .000001% of 145 million years. On what basis can they justify extrapolating such exquisite preservation that far, when the ostrich bone was “recognizable,” indicating some degradation had occurred? Nobody on earth has “experienced” 65 million years, let alone a few thousand (provided that written records can substitute for personal experience). The evolutionists are assuming the long ages, not demonstrating them. In spite of this strong evidence against millions of years, they are hanging onto that belief like a baby gripping its pacifier.

"The articles betray a subtext of desperation. Pappas described the soft-tissue claims as “amazing” and “seemingly impossible.” They seem relieved that this iron hypothesis “may” provide an answer. Yet other admissions in the articles support the creationist Flood interpretation. “The bones of these various specimens are articulated, not scattered, suggesting they were buried quickly,” Pappas noted. “They’re also buried in sandstone….” Try to imagine circumstances in which a T. rex strutting across a desert suddenly became completely buried, such that burrowing creatures were unable to reach it and disarticulate it. There aren’t too many options available. Even so, up till the surprising discovery by Schweitzer, “scientists had thought proteins that make up soft tissue should degrade in less than 1 million years in the best of conditions.” They weren’t looking for it; they were shocked when they saw it with their own eyes. For years they have been scrambling to answer the “obvious question” – how soft, pliable tissue could survive for millions of years.” Have they ever considered the obvious answer? It can’t, and it didn’t.

The evolutionists show no shame for their falsified long ages. Instead, they boast as if they will find soft tissue millions of years older! They are like the delusional man in a joke who claimed he was dead. His doctor attempted to prove him wrong, asking, “Do dead men bleed?” The man replied, “No, dead men do not bleed.” The doctor proceeded to prick him with a needle, showing blood oozing from the man’s arm. “Well, I’ll be darned! Dead men do bleed!” Like the delusional man, evolutionists will never give up their belief in millions of years, even when the facts bleed otherwise right in front of their eyes."

Source:

https://crev.info/2013/11/dinosaur-soft-tissue-explained/

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This is a call to implore those who copy and paste without reading to desist and improve their lives.
Even an evolution website can critically spot the desperation by its own people.
Yet someone foolishly claims we are copying apologetics websites.

More contributors please.

The author of this rubbish you quoted is a creationist nutjob.
Looks at it here http://creation.mobi/david-coppedge
The guy is not even a paleontologist, he is a fuckkking IT guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He has his own entry in the encyclopedia of American Loons http://americanloons..com.ng/2015/10/1487-david-coppedge.html?m=1

Crev.info is not an evolution website. It's a young earth creationist website you fuckkking liar. Lying for Jesus.


So, with all these your scientific breakthrough, y'all still cant find a scientific journal to publish you?
It screams pseudoscience to me.

butterflylion:


Herbalist your mumu did not tell you that as long as content which is posted word for word was not messed with a simple check on google would show you the link ba?

So the link disproves content or the content speaks for itself?

And you wonder why you love articles so much and not their links

Hypocrisy much I see.

Every credible science site is speaking the same language only those who want to defend a lie just like you would see the truth and still choose otherwise.

Herbalist quack in scrubs!

So institute of creation research work with the scientific method and publish in peer reviewed science journals? Desperate creationists passing of pseudoscience as actual science. There are a thousand and one reputable scientific journals and not one mentioned the pseudoscientific crap you posted up there.

Ranchhoddas, MrMontella and LightandDarkness.
This is the link to the article he quoted, no wonder he was hiding the source.
http://www.icr.org/article/can-iron-preserve-fossil-proteins-for/
Institute for Creation Research. Fuckkking hilarious.

butterflylion:



Proof that this whole episode is a painful one for you and exposes your quack herbal ass is that for the first time ever even when I was a guest you have never and I mean never lost your cool and gone full re/tard with the kind of vulgarity you have been spewing all over this thread.

You think you can cuss away your predicament? Ogbeni you lie!

If you like Call God goat and Christ kite it will not elevate you and save you from your filth.

Where is your pathophysiology for spontaneous remission of end stst cancer Mr cuss herbalist!

So you've been calling me names and the one time I replied I'm now a cuss Lord abi?
Fuckkking retardeddd hypocrite

bennyann:



CatfishBilly I'm with him on this. The normal thing for me to say could have been, don't be like the atheists but it's a pity I will say don't be like some theists here o. You're deviating from the normal you I know on nairaland because of them.

Sis, he's been calling names from the beginning of this thread, just the one time I replied him he started crying me a river.
I've kept my cool. Analice said so, ishilove told him to stop, he refused. The one time I retaliated he started playing the victim. Christians and their victim mentality sha. Oh the whole world is persecuting us. He's a hypocrite that's what he is.

KingEbukasBlog:


Lmao !!!

That's the thing na ... Most of the things he says are lifted from Wikipedia articles . You can easily he is a fake .

And if I tell you to post one thing I lifted from Wikipedia in this page now you'll go dumb.
Lying for Jesus oshi.
There's no winning with you, butterflylion and Felixomor is there?
If I write on my own, you'll say I'm making stuff up with no proof to back it up, if I now post articles to eliminate the making stuff up talk, yall move the goalposts and say I can't write from my own knowledge.

Y'all redefine moving the goalpost, you just carry it on your back and walk with it every where.

No substance, bloody illiterates.