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Religion / Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by CatfishBilly: 9:39am On Aug 11, 2017 |
butterflylion:So 2 models published in a peer reviewed scientific journal that even your precious Vilenkin's tried to discredit now counts as Pseudoscience? Please, tell me, when did science journals start publishing Pseudoscience? |
Religion / Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by CatfishBilly: 9:15am On Aug 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Lol, you present an argument from incredulity proof, I counter with my own, I don't see how that's a problem. And you have the nerve to say I don't understand how logical arguments work? Whether its 1 or 2 or 100 , no evidence to support them . You can cry all you want .You and your mentor WLC should go and cry to the scientific communities that published it, don't come and cry to me since you have no idea how these things work. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by CatfishBilly: 9:03am On Aug 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I said there's no evidence for creatio ex materia, not no evidence for Eternal universe. I wonder how you came up with the corollary. An eternal universe can be independent of god, I don't know why you want to force god into this scenario, god doesn't work in this scenario. Its a model like you said . Models are not evidence . There are a thousand and one models for an eternal universe with all the crinkum-crankum known to pseudo-science but there is no evidence to support them .Sure they were all published in scientific journals that are peer reviewed despite them being pseudoscience. Your desperation is glaring. I wonder how you got your thousand and one number, I'm only aware of 2. |
Religion / Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by CatfishBilly: 8:34am On Aug 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Now you're trolling. At least we've been able to establish one thing. You have no evidence whatsoever for your Creatio ex materia bullshit. Read Aguirre A and Gratton S (2002). Steady-state eternal inflation. It contains all your answers. |
Religion / Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by CatfishBilly: 8:12am On Aug 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Aguirre's model in 2002 supports it. I've told you, if there's a rebuttal to a scientific paper, it is another scientific paper, not a backhand comment by a rival. If you're so sure that no eternal model of the universe is plausible, where are the papers supporting it? This is science, not theology or philosophy. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by CatfishBilly: 8:02am On Aug 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Here we go again with the Creatio ex materia theory again. I've asked you for your proof of this and all you could come up with was an argument from incredulity by John Lennox 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 9:03am On Aug 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Atheists can discuss revealed theology when talking about religion. Atheists can discuss natural theology when discussing with Deists. Theology basically means The study of God, so atheists can discuss god when discussing religion too, it's just which characteristics of god thats being discussed. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Prophet Onyeka "Heals" A Mad Man In Onitsha (Photos) by CatfishBilly: 7:00pm On Aug 02, 2017 |
Spacetacular, I'm back. The person reporting my posts is a real asshole though. |
Science/Technology / Re: A Look Inside Facebook's Data Center : Where All Your Data Is Stored by CatfishBilly: 3:10pm On Aug 02, 2017 |
ExInferis:Burn!!!!! 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 3:23pm On Aug 01, 2017 |
spacetacular:I'm a spirit baptized, tongue speaking, devil defeating, blessed child of the kingdom. Purchased with the blood of the lamb. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 7:22am On Aug 01, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog can't an atheist also be a religious skeptic? |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 4:54pm On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I don't see why this is causing an argument. Someone can be an atheist and a religious skeptic. They are not mutually exclusive. I am an atheist and a religious skeptic, so I can discuss religion as I damn see fit. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 4:40pm On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:What has Johny been doing since? You're yet to refute his last post. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 1:04pm On Jul 31, 2017 |
johnydon22: 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 12:20pm On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Vilenkin's comment, not a paper, since when did scientific models start getting rejected by offhand comments and not papers? Scientists have already rejected the theory , there is no evidence to support the theory , it simply does not work - no eternal universe model has ever worked . What is there to refute ?You're getting it wrong, this statement started when I said nobody knows the origin of the universe, theists said therefore it's god and you backed that up that theists have been in the forefront of sciences, so I asked for you to provide papers written by these theist scientists that it was god. Let people speak for themselves , when did you become their mouthpiece . Your comfort zone is uncertainty , speculations and fantasies and you'll do anything to pull anyone into it .So, what's the right way? Say that it was god when you have no evidence? Or can't even explain how the god supposedly did it? |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 12:08pm On Jul 31, 2017 |
spacetacular:Okay. |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 11:58am On Jul 31, 2017 |
spacetacular:Jesus Christ. What part of "My position of the fine tuning argument was based on your stand that earth was designed perfectly to support life not the plausibility of extraterrestrial life" don't you understand? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 11:54am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:They didn't work according to your research or because it didn't agree with your position? I'm yet to see a scientific paper that refutes Aguirre's model, if you have one, kindly post it here. WLC isn't a theoretical physicist. Theists have been at the helm of scientific progress . So what are you saying ? Atheism on the other hand started with fantasies and imaginations and atheists try to use science to prove their imaginations and fantasies - this is basically what is going onwith atheist cosmologists.So, provide papers by the theist scientific community that presented irrefutable evidence that it was god. Hawking did , he claimed that the universe created itself because there is a law such as gravity .Take it up with Hawking. Hawking doesn't know, Lennox doesn't know too. It's simple. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 11:46am On Jul 31, 2017 |
spacetacular:My position of the fine tuning argument was based on your stand that earth was designed perfectly to support life not the plausibilityof extraterrestrial life. Notice I said "could" it wasn't a definitive statement. Besides a lot of scientists think its plausible. If you want to discuss this, open another thread. |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 11:25am On Jul 31, 2017 |
spacetacular:The age of the sun and the earth is public knowledge, go and find those out yourself. Life evolved on Earth because earth has the right composition and constituents to make that possible, that doesn't preclude the fact that there could be other forms of life in other planets, so your fine tuning argument doesn't fly. I'm done replying your red herring. The argument is origin of the universe. If you want to discuss something else, open another thread. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 10:57am On Jul 31, 2017 |
felixomor:So, the earth, sun and stars all formed immediately the big bang happened, abi? Interesting! The components of the "previous universe" can't be tested because carbon dating wasn't done, the age of the present observable universe was calculated from its rate of expansion, how is that difficult to understand? |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 10:47am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You seem to have ignored the "as we know it part" of his statement. His position is that the present observable universe as we know it has a beginning, but, it is plausible that it existed in another form being the pre history of the present observable universe. I don't see what's delusional about that position With no evidence to support them , so we can dismiss them right ?There's evidence. Aguirre A and Gratton S (2002). Steady-state eternal inflation; We know , only the atheists speculate and fantasizeYou know this how? Through philosophy and theology? Hours of painstaking scientific work? No , laws of physics do not create anything - it is not speculation , it is a fact .Nobody said that the laws of physics created anything. I didn't. Lennox doesn't know, it's a classic argument from incredulity. Ask him how it happened all you'll hear is intense mental gymnastics. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 10:24am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Guth in that same video also said that there could be a pre history to the Origin of the universe, but the universe as we know it definitely had a beginning. There are other models that don't agree with Vilenkin's theorem example, eternal inflation (Aguirre-Gratton model) Therefore the universe came from nothing ?Nobody knows, theologists and theists are saying I don't know, therefore God. See my latest response to Johnydon22Do you mean John Lennox? All I see there is, I don't know, so it has to be God, it must be God. Ain't that argument from incredulity? That's a summary of his position. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 9:06am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:This quote is from Vilenkin If someone asks me whether or not the theorem I proved with Borde and Guth implies that the universe had a beginning, I would say that the short answer is “yes”. If you are willing to get into subtleties, then the answer is “No, but…” So, there are ways to get around having a beginning, but then you are forced to have something nearly as special as a beginning. You don't understand what he meant . Physicist and Theologian Isaac Newton believed that space and time had existed before the moment of creation and that God is everlasting (existing from infinite time in the past ) occupying infinite space , thats why Hawking an atheist went on to sayI don't see how this disproves what I said. Time before the big bang was inconsequential. The laws of physics and nature more or less degenerates, so, no one could say with absolute certainty what happened, theists and theologians just took the easy way out and said God. Of courseOk, fair enough. What has been observed of the universe that suggests that an external being is "supporting" its survival? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 8:21am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:There's a difference between speculation and hard evidence. The origin of the universe is purely speculative, no shred of evidence. However, evolution has tons of evidence to back it up and is one of the most wisely accepted theory in natural sciences, so it can't be speculation. He stated clearly that the universe hasn't existed forever .Hawking also said this in that lecture. As far as we are concerned, events before the big bang can have no consequences, so they should not form part of a scientific model of the universe. We should therefore cut them out of the model and say that time had a beginning at the big bang As you can see, the beginning of the universe and time was set as a matter of "convenience' How many times will I explain this same thing ? God being the First Cause is a concept of creation , an eternal universe which coexists with God is another concept of creation .Creatio ex materia is a theological concept. I don't see why a god needs to sustain a universe if it didn't create it. There's nothing to infer from that a god sustains the universe sef. |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 8:03am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Nobody knows if the universe is eternal or has a beginning. There's no scientific consensus of its Origin. All we have are speculations. 2. Here is Stephen Hawking's lecture on why there is no evidence for an eternal universeThis a condensed A Brief History of Time. The whole book gives a clearer picture. Even the quote I posted for Felix is smack there in the lecture. 3. How does an eternal universe preclude the existence of God ?For me, An eternal universe precludes the existence of a god because it isn't the first cause, so I don't see why it should be there in the first place. You can shout Creatio ex materia all you want, it's purely a theological position. I don't see how god "sustains" the universe. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 7:53am On Jul 31, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Go read about the Planck's epoch, the big bang theory. This link might help too. https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/faq.htm The big bang never said anything about the origin of the universe. It could have been eternal, this our present universe could have been the 6000 life cycle of the universe, all we have is speculation. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 7:48am On Jul 31, 2017 |
felixomor:What part of the universe could have been eternal don't you understand? Secondly,The age of the universe was calculated from the rate of its expansion. Carbon dating was used for earth. Stop mixing them up. |
Religion / Re: TOP 10 Famous Near-death Expirience by CatfishBilly: 12:07am On Jul 31, 2017 |
Martinez19:I never said that NDEs aren't real. Guess you've never heard of LYING FOR Jesus. |
Religion / Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CatfishBilly: 12:01am On Jul 31, 2017 |
felixomor:In his book, A Brief History of Time, Stephen Hawking stated it clearly that As far as we are concerned, events before the big bang can have no consequences, so they should not form part of a scientific model of the universe. We should therefore cut them out of the model and say that time had a beginning at the big bang” It has also been proven that there was "time" before the Planck's epoch. So, this present version of our universe might have a "beginning", but it was existing in another form before it started expanding. 3 Likes |
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