₦airaland Forum

Op, you are right obaseki is doing well and it's Benin's that are the majority fighting him especially if you consider the hoa members mainly his people.

But the koko is that it is Adams as national chairman that would do the primaries

J111333:
In as much as I sympathise with Onitsha fire victims, this so stupid of Reno.
So if Buhari compensates the victims and continues with his incompetence, Reno will start to support him forgetting that all Nigerians are Buhari administration's victims.

Good criticisms are healthy for every organisation or government and beneficial to the public.

Is like you don't get it that all he wants has been attention from pmb or government funds.

Since his self acclaimed every second to mentor of buhari isn't working.

This is the a pure begging gimmick and frustration

Ronaldo admitted messi makes him a better player but couldn't nominate such greatness that could motivate a big player as him in his top 3 players for FIFA best.


Messi isn't obsessed with Ronaldo 24/7 but still nominated him in his top three choices.


Difference is Talent, God blessing you externally with what your hardwork can't give you.


Jay jay okocha on the ball till tomorrow is a definition of talent outclassing forced labour

mastermaestro:
Obaseki, this is too much. You will need more than natural influence to win this battle. I support you, but you are going too far. Increasing the number of political foes is a clear path downhill.

The truth is people underestimated the influence of oshomole in Edo.

I always say obaseki is doing well but can't win an election cos he isn't a politician as Adams.

The gullible believed they have a say but you can clearly see how Adams who isn't governor controls almost all the machineries in Edo including those under obaseki nose.


Very sad though, harsh reality

V

alBHAGDADI:
Did Jesus condemn tithing? No. He had every opportunity to state that tithing would no longer be practiced, but he didn't. Instead he upheld it.

But you are here saying he was only talking to the Jews under the law, and that the moment he died and ressurected, the law became abolished or stopped. According to you, can sleep with your mother since the below law has been abolished.

Leviticus 18:6
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.


Next time, don't say jargons.

lol, I would have to leave it here, I can see its a lost case


One of your comment you mentioned how would a pastor survive without tithe so I understand this is a dead end.

But my happiness is 90% of the persons who have commented here know their left from right.

Shalom

alBHAGDADI:
You said every relevant thing about Jesus are what were documented. That means if it was no longer for tithe to be paid, it would have been documented showing him kicking against it. But since tithe was to be continued, Mathew 23:23 shows him approving it.

Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted "the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith" these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So the only time Christ talked about tithe wasn't in awe as you put it, he expressed disgust on how the Pharisees hypocrites are cherry picking the law that suits them while ignoring "the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith" that was more important.


Doesn't this even sound like him talking to our modern day pastors that cherry pick laws that suit them while leaving vital holiness issues?

Mind you Christ didn't dispute tithing for the Jews which he meet but he didn't fail to point the hypocrisy in it.

He was sent to change these Mosaic laws so he simply had to die first to render them mere Jewish ceremonies not binding ordinances.

He expressed disgust at it and didn't say don't do it only because the solution hadn't been delivered yet to the Jews themselves.



In all these no talk of gentiles tithing was even mentioned not when Christ critised it let alone when he became the new testament

alBHAGDADI:
Go and read Genesis 14 to see that Tithing existed as ALL THINGS long before God even promised Abraham the land of Israel.

Why is it not written that the mentioned professions didn't pay tithe? Where is it written that it was only farmers that paid tithe?

Look, it wasn't only agricultural produce that Jesus label as tithe alone. He also stated that tithe can be paid from all you possess which can include money. Remember the parable of the Pharisee who boasted that he pays tithe from all that he possess. Jesus didn't condemn him for paying tithe in that manner. Rather, he condemned him for something else.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

You can't expect Jesus who is God to pay tithe. Secondly, just because it wasn't recorded that the Apostles paid tithe doesn't mean it never happened. Lastly, where is it mentioned that farmers paid tithe?

Their is no relevant documentary of Jesus life that wasnt recorded in the bible.

It was for a reason, from the event in his birth, to going to temple to study as a child, to baptism, to paying tax, to praying, to going to the synagogue to read the Torah as the fulfiller of scriptures etc.

He did everything and they were majorly recorded just to show God becoming man and fulfilling the relevant order of life and spirit

Christ didn't question the tither then because it was ideally the thither obligation to God as a Jew not for "gentile" and he hadn't not died to reconcile the sacrificial law and priestly intersession

Please be guarded that it is an everlasting covenant only for Jews to the levite even after new testament.

The only difference for Jews today is the sacrificial burnt offering is now a mere ceremonial stuff for them cos of Christ.

Their salvation doesn't come from it, so not a do or die issue for Jews again


But Gentiles have no need for it prior to Christ coming or even now

alBHAGDADI:
He didn't just disagree with me, he displayed foolishness. That's why I called him by his name. Now, how's that an offence?

No offence but who are you to judge a human being as foolish?

You are just a Pharisee as you have been harping on this dead law since, its not like you have showed the attribute of Christ love in this discussion.

Your question on why wouldn't one continue to disregard other old testament law is simply because those laws are mostly laws in relation to how neighbours should be treated and society function which Christ emphasized must be of love and do to others what you want them to do to you.

Once you follow the basic character of christ you basically have all relevant instructions in check not necessarily because you are under law

Lol, oshomole PDP nightmare.

You should be searching for when 2ndus the serial looser tenure expires

FarahAideed:
He is Only showing Dem that they will be eating chicken like rice if voted

you are quite dumb

IGBOSON1:
If they don’t join your bandwagon of hating Igbos then automatically they’re ‘plessing da mumu button’ of Ndigbo! Conversely, when they praise murderers, despots and thieves like Buhari and Ganduje, it’s all good abi?

where did I just mention I hate igbo

Plessing da Mumu button

Lokostic77:
my question is very simple and straightforward,,Did Jesus or any of his deciples pay tithe in the Bible?just point out to where the tithe was paid because I knew where Jesus paid tax but not tithe so plz show me the verse,as a Christian Jesus and his deciples is our examples of what we must do.plz I need answer to this question and back it with scripture then i will be satisfy don't ignore this question o,if you ignore it means you're hypocrite and you're benefiting from stealing people money in the name of tithe,God bless you

isn't it funny that Jesus was well documented to have prayed and given tax to ceazer but didn't for once pay tithe "even as a practising Jew himself" but we gentiles are now bigger than Jesus overnight.

By the way the doctrine we hear of paying tithe only because of the threat of been blocked off from God financially is so selfish and unchristlike for supposed Christ followers who told a richman to go empty himself

Amanda4life:
I have felt the way some people has been feeling about tithe. In fact I have search the bible to find reasons doe me not to tithe but I found non.

Now let me tell you.
The pastor you gave your tithe also need to tithe from your money.

The bible says "so shall be more food in my house"
This food is not only for pastors but for those that comes to the house of God hungry". thats some less privileged members. Not only for pastors.

Please also not that most times blessing of tithing may not be immediate lg, sometimes futuristic and can come inform of good health, long life for you, your children, even the upcoming generation s. Good wife, good children's, intelligent children that you don't have to do special center before they earn admission.
Good daughter s, good sons, long life for mum, fathers, better jobs, peace of mind.security etc. Etc.

Please don't let anyone deceive you.

Tithe and offering is important. Please always speak on your tithe and offering before giving.

May spirit of guide you.

Its is not easy to give out.
Pls just try.
I don't care about what pastors does with my money, let the sin be upon him.

The issue even affects you than you think, Christ is the chief priest and he came to abolish tithing and mosaic sacrifices so that you can go to God directly through him.

So if you keep tithing it means you currently have a new high priest other than him, a role your pastor or who you are giving tithe has assigned to himself.

Their can't be two captains in a boat so your pastor is interceding on your behalf to another entity.

Giving your pastor tithe may look innocent to you but it is a fundamental contradiction to the new testament and the core element Christ came to abolish (ie him been the only way to God not an intermediary or third party as done by the priest of old).

By the way your pastor is paying his tithe to who exactly (himself). lol


Thank God you admitted you don't see tithing blessings immediately, God's financial breakthrough doesn't come from tithing (Arabs have the richest persons and land yet don't tithe to pastors).

Oh i forgot same Arabs give "zakat" to the needy

Blackvic1:
you wrote all this rubbish here to convince people to tithe, why are Nigerian Christians so concerned about tithing?first of all Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7)
Secondly Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation—to Jews who lived in the land of promise and you are here saying rubbish that it should be done every month thieves and criminals in the house of God , everything about Nigeria is built on Lies and deceit

If you hve money give generously to the poor that is what Jesus commanded us to do ,when the Bible said about robbing God he was referring to the levites and the priests , give give give to the poor...that’s whats important not tithing it’s specifically for the Hebrews and Jews in the old mosaic religion

I totally agree, these people actually believe those who oppose it aren't Christians themselves.

The propaganda has stayed too long from the pulpit that they can't even search the truth themselves.

Need I also add that their was coins and other monetary tenders in the old testament but the bible always referred to animals and crops as the only commodities to tithe with because by ordinances these were the only things that can be burnt as offering (just as it was with Cain and Abel sacrifices).

The bible didn't even mention money or coins for the priest, the meat in the store house was enough for them.

Today our fraudsters of pastors are against been given farm produce for harvest let alone tithe.

All they want is money, they fraudulently assume the role of a levite priest and yet claim to be serving the only chief high priest that exist.

Christ can't be the chief high priest yet you continue to practice the system his existence has come to abolish

Funny enough am not against tithe since the church has to device a way to generate "tax" and keep the church running.

My problem is the pastors have refused to tell the people the truth and they swindle them with spirituality so they can't be questioned on what their money is been used for.


Tithe "tax" isn't meant for pastors to live the luxury life, the church including the members are supposed to agree on its use which should primarily be to maintain the church, take care of basic emergencies and help the poor which Christ admitted would never cease from the earth, just a little can be saved for pastor welfare.


By the way tithing was restricted to the jews to help the Levite's whose jobs was to man the temple 24/7 without working.

Ask yourself was their no coins monetary stuff then? So why was the bible specific about animals and farm produce, its simply because they were "burnt" as offering to God and the remainder was kept so "their would be meat in the store house for the Levite's".

The bible never asked for coins/paper money then cos it can't be burnt as offering neither was it necessary to the Levites


The other Jews would always flood the temple to "wash their sins away" with animal and crop offering, but today Christ has done the sacrifice and you don't need to visit temple every time because your salvation is within Christ who lives inside you.

In effect no need for Levite's "which pastors fraudulently claim" to be jobless because their jobs are now over, they can get a part time work instead of been jobless waiting for tithes 100%.

Lol, always seeking attention.

Dey form woke

Igbo must continue to serve the north in PDP period

Some people would just use their mouth to networth people into billionaires.

If you have legit $500m upwards their is no way you won't have "loud" businesses on ground to show for it.

And their is no way it won't attract Forbes to profile an estimate at least whether you called them or not.

That adeleke worth $700m is a scam, $20m converted to naira is enough billions to buy the so called power plants which you have attributed as his biggest investment

Izuubest:
All it takes for the Igbos to get the northern support is just a little bit of compromise on some issues like ruga and the rest, but for southwesterners even if Igbos offer them the head of Ojukwu, Nnamdi Kanu and Peter Obi, they will still disappoint at the last minute. An average northerner is a far more reliable political ally than all the generations of Awolowo both born and unborn

wow, see how you are begging to compromise been rugalized and butt licking an uncircumcised aboki just for presidency.

You even added the heads of ojuku,kanu and peter obi just to lead a zoo


Spits on you igbo

Children of hate would be confused now but their god just said the reality.

They would slave for PDP for the next 60years and won't dare raise the notion of becoming president at best they can dream of vp

Children of hate would be confused now but their god just said the reality

Keep using her to get attention, as if she never die sef which you known.


By the way what is it with ffk, dino, reno etc that they use Christianity as an attention commodity?

If you are a prayerful or zealous Christian isn't it supposed to be personal with Christ instead of this more Catholic than pope attitude.

I guess its cos it is the easiest gullible fanbase for political desperados

jayfolarin:
It's been scientifically proven that polluted air significantly lowers IQ. Some Nigerians are physical proof of this.

How can such a good news of a Nigerian-made-car being presented to the winner of bbn attract so much negativity? And worst of it all, people attach bigotry to it.

I really don't understand how we became so rotten as a people. It's disgusting to watch

its hypocrisy na, even those supporting don't have innoson cars but toyota

Osaze007:
Abeg come and see servitude 101
The same igbos knows he’s being treated like thrash but still wants to vote and be Vice President to North and lash at other southerners

it is Igbo destiny to fight over that mere commisioner and ssg spot o.


OSU laws prohibits asking for anything more let alone slug it with an aboki

Commentor:
He would be more interested in what FFK has to say about Bianca.

lol, ffk has acquired another of his bleached young snowhite bussy na

NGRsenate:
Nawa o

You scam people in the US and still ship proceeds of your scam to people with addresses in the US?

I’m sure he used gmail

I’m sure he used the computer he was using for this to check his private emails and Facebook and Twitter on the same browser window where he does his other black stuff

I’m sure he was using his home wifi with a US vpn or even without a vpn sef

There were probably too many breadcrumbs. There are Albanian credit card fraudsters in the US, plenty, but you hardly hear about one getting caught.

Blacks naturally tend to be unwise.

I can bet you an notice me kill am, blacks and showoff

Bro feel me on this deal na, sent you dm

festacman:
The rascal thinks he would hide under the cover of some dirty rags as masquerade to mock the word of God. But God is not mocked.

May the Lord bless the pastor for tolerance and forgive the youthful exuberance of this clown for he knows not what he is doing and what is doing him.

what if the pastor arranged it with him for publicity, every thing is now how to gather customers called members

Dude go stop disturbing Nairaland from now on