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@ Ogajim, tanx & welldone, but i'll advise u to seek d truth and not just d 'praise & worship'. Jesus Christ advises us to cut-off anything that will lead us astray. Iductrination is a subtle & gradual spiritual poisoning.

@ Kola Oloye, first of all i want to implore you to seek d truth with an open mind and focus on d substance, and not d shadow. Now let's look at some of ur response:
  Using abusive language on elderly people
Calling a foolish man a 'fool' or a criminal a 'thief' is definitely not abusive, even if he's older than Methusela. You'll agree with me, Jesus wasn't as old as d pharisees & saducees,  but used very harsh, 'abusive' (according to u) words to describe them- 'vipers, evil, adulterous generation, hypocrites, (mat. 12:34,39, 16:4, 27:18), bind guides, serpents (mat.23:13,16,33)
Now concerning the matter at hand,I'm neither for or against.Whatever your spirit ask you to do,please do.
My major concern is this:If we notice any man of God going astray what we ought to do is to be praying for such person.
  U surprise me here _{trying so hard not to sound 'abusive'} who are u afraid of? Do you fear man or God? u have to be for or against, u can't be lukewarm like d church of d Laodiceans (Rev.3:16). You can't do whatever ur spirit tells u to do, but what GOD TELLS U TO DO!
  - Jesus says if u give to d poor, u shall have TREASURE IN HEAVEN (Mat.19:21) and RECEIVE A HUNDRED FOLD RETURN (Mat. 19:29). In contrast, ur 'daddy' Adeboye says 'you get a 100 fold return when u give to d wealthy GO/'High priest', no mention is even made of storing treasures in heaven _{am i surprised?}
  - The brethren in Berea did not pray when Paul preached to them, instead they searched d scriptures to confirm if all what Paul told them were true (Acts17:11).
  - If d black americans & south africans took ur advise and only prayed in d face of oppression by wicked govts, they'll still be in bondage, and u wouldn't be fasting & praying to get a visa to these countries today. And as a reminder, d struggle for freedom in these countries were led by pastors (rev. martin luther king, Rev Desmond Tutu). But here in Naija, we're always enjoined and urged to pray for corrupt, wicked leaders (probably 4 good health & longlife to continue looting & oppressing d pple) by our 'priests & high priests' (Pst Tunde Bakare is an exception in my view though). With this kind of weak, passive & ignorant attitude, is it any wonder why we're where we are as a nation today? -So much POVERTY in d midst of so much ABUNDANCE!!! 
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@ Real truth, good point there. Prior to d good/bad (depending on hw u see-am) work of sanusi, no RCCG member would believe pastor Akingbola is such a crook. And another good pt u made about d many seeds he must have sown to 'daddy' d 'HIGH PRIEST'. Don't u think d EFCC shld look into this.
Also, remember some yrs ago simiar things happened in CEC where some guys where nabbed in their coys (sheraton and some banks, can't rem their names) for stealing huge sums of money. They all claim to have sown huge sums in the church. And yet again u're right on pt, their gullible, pathetic and most probably hypnotized members will continue to follow-follow, like sheep to be slaughtered. They continue to 'learn' but refuse to open their eyes to see d truth!

@ Devonian, tanx bro. It's SO nauseating how xstians (nigerians especially) have allowed religion to blind them, and like d scripture says, they 'perish cos of lack of knowledge'. And that's why, like someone said earlier, u hear them say things like- 'touch not my annointed, leave them for God to judge'. Thus, with no system of check & balance in place by d church & govt, they (pst/papas/GO'S) happily play god, smiling all d way to d bank in their jets.
  @ Petres 007, enigma, kunle, real truth, devonian and co, tanx so much for ur contributions. It's so good to know there're still pple/xtians out there who are not high on d (religion) drug. I'm looking 4 bros like u guys, who seek d truth, who fear no man but God,  to study scriptures together in order to know d truth about things like - d sabbath, born again, d kingdom of God, d Law etc. Starting a thread soon, u guys shld pls join in. Once again, tanx and God bless u.

By d posts am seeing here its obvious pple are begining to shine their eye well-well! I for one used to respect 'daddy' alot, that's until of recent. He looks so calm and gentle, talks softly and dresses simple; u just can't help but respect him (there're many others like him around, no need mentioning names). I started having doubts when i heard him say some strange, unlikely 'miracles'. Deep down my heart i found them hard to believe (am sure u've heard some urself).
Needless to say, Nigerians fear their pastors like God, pastors should be respected not feared, FEAR GOD ONLY! It has gotten to d extent they don't want to hear anything -ve bout their pastors, even when they're true. On d day of d morning devotion i mentioned earlier, when i pointed this error out, a hot argument ensued with my siblings. Pst adeboye is so feared/respected in my family nobody wanted to hear me out, to them he can do no wrong. Unfortunately, alot of xtians are like that, their papa/G.O. is superhuman and can do no wrong, always quick in comparing them to old testament prophets of old- Elija, Elisha and so on. So anything he says, true & false, is swallowed hook, line & sinker by their gullible and pathetic followers, like zombies.
I want to encourage us to 'prove all things' like d bible says, fear no man but God, 'By their fruits u shall know them'. Let's maximise d power of d internet and expose these WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTHING. I believe we can start an online revolution against these men of god 'dog' and the corrupt, evil rulers/politicians working against d progress of this nation. (funny enough, these 2 classes of pple (religous leaders n politicians) work hand-in-hand TO IMPOVERISH NIGERIANS). Their relationship is mutually beneficial, if u know what i mean. Right now, i'm just so filled with 'righteous indignation'!

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@ Real truth, been trying to download d e-book all to no avail, but not to worry, i decided to scan d relevant pages and post here-

@ Joagbaje, i said daily devotional (not manna) and went further to state d name written on it: OPEN HEAVENS Volume Ten 2010 (Anniversary Edition). We don't attend d RCCG in my family/house but use it for our morning devotion. (By d way, i've decided to stop using it since i discovered these errors).

@ July, i may not agree with everything pst Ayo says, but on this one am in total support/agreement. Somebody, wether man or God has to do d dirty job, cos with some pple still around i don't see hw this country can move forward. To them Nigeria is their personal property and anybody that stand in thier way must be eliminated. Greedy, blood-sucking, devilish leaders/politicians, bent on holding a country of over 150m pple to ransom, stealing & piling wealth for their generations unborn. Let them die and burn in hell for all i care, so this (potentially) great nation can move forward!
These pen robbers are worse than arm robbers (Like Fela rightly said), they have no fear of God and thier attitude when they rob d pple is 'Heaven will not fall, and if heaven like let it fall!', CRIMINALS!
Seriously, i sometimes dream of a Jerry Rawlings solution in this country.

wed 17 march, 2010, i meant.

@ Real truth, to verify is easy- just get a copy of the RCCG daily devotional with 'Open Heavens Volume ten 2010. 10th anniversary edition' and d name of d G.O. written on the front cover. Go to wed17, 2010. Topic: ONE HUNDRED FOLD RETURN. Pls d reader can verify for him/herself.

It went further to say and i quote: 'some pple will say 'my pastor is very comfortable and donesn't need what i want to give him, instead let me give to somebody that needs them'. Always remember, you're not doing the recipient a favour but yourself when you give, stop robbing yourself of great blessing' (implying you don't get blessed when you give to the needy).

I see manipulation of scriptures for personal gains here, prove me wrong pls.

While reading d daily devotional of d RCCG of wed 17 march, 2010, titled ONE HUNDRED FOLD RETURN, it says pastors are priests, and encourages d reader to always sow in d lives of their priests (pastors) in order 4 dem to get a 60 fold return. It went further to say general overseers (G.O's) are high priests and also ecourages d reader to always sow into d live of their G.O. to get a 100 fold return. It went further to implore the reader not to mind the fact that their G.O.'s have d luxuries of life while sowing into thier lives.
   
My points of disagreement with the above:
1. I'm yet to see anywhere in d bible that says pastors are priests and general overseers are high priests, instead d scripture says ;ye (children of God) are a holy nation, a royal priesthood'. And we have just 1 high priest- Jesus Christ (cant get d relevant scriptures now but am sure u're familiar with them.)

2. Please where in d scripture does it say if you sow into the live of pastors/'priests' you'll get a 60 fold return, and if you do same to general overseers/'high priest' you get 100 fold returns?

Pls somebody enlighten me on the above, or am I missing something here?

@ Petres, enigma, kunle, inesqor and co welldone, wish we had more of ur kind in this naija then we wldn't be where we are. Karl max said 'Religion is d opium of the pple'. It's a drrug, once u're deep in it, u cant see beyond ur nose, can't think out of d box! I kno cos i've been there, used to think it was my duty to defend all pastors, cos i saw them as priests & prophets of old (more of that on a new thread am coming up with). Nigerians (pentecostal xtians in particular) have become very docile & passive cos of d drug they're fed with in churches.
Only a heart seeking d truth will understand u guys. Alot of these guys here have been warned in their churches not to listen to anything contrary to their teachings & pratice wether biblical or not. My advice to anyone reading this is to seek d truth urself, study, and check-up what anybody says (even if it's ur pastor or GO) in ur bible.
Just as an aside, have u ever wondered why with all d big & inflential pastors we have in this country (1 is even one of the 50 most influential pple in d world) they always shy away from confronting d evil leaders we're cursed with (pst Bakare is an exception here), but instead specialise in telling their members 'smooth things'. Afterall, pastors (rev martin luther king, arcbishop Desmond Tutu etc) led d fight 4 change in thier countries. THOUGHT 4 FOOD!

@ Ikengawo & co, Nigeria may be no 1 for all i care, but if we don't have simple basic infrastructures (light, security, good roads etc) that small countries like Ghana take for granted, then of what use is it? Nigerians, we like decieving ourselves, suffering and smiling, instead of admitting there's a problem and tackling it head-on. Reminds me of some smooth-talking pentecostal churches that teaches their members to say 'am rich' when they actually mean 'am broke' or 'am strong' when they're sick, as if that will make the problem disappear. instead of admitting there's a prob and looking 4 d soln.
We like hoping & praying 4 a messiah to come, when God has given us all we need to make a change, a pple deserve d leaders they get. As far as we pretend its ok and shy away from confronting d criminals/politicians that hold d country hostage, then things will remain d way they are. Even if oil rise above $200 pb, u still wont see change cos 0.0001% of the population will steal everything. All these countries (within & outside africa) that Nigerians are running to today, (fasting & praying 4 visa) @ 1 time or d other in their history, paid d price of d freedom and d infrastructure they enjoy. WE MUST PAY OUR OWN PRICE for change to come.
WAY FORWARD: My pple, d first step is 2011 elections, don't be scared of blood sucking politicians and their thugs, let's come out enmasse to vote d right pple in and insist on free & fair elections. Anything short of that will be met with massive protest all over d country, we'll make d country ungovernable, and i tell u they'll give us our choice. It has happened b4 in other countries and we can make it happen here. Iraq is a good example here- with all the threat (not empty) from extremists, iraqis came out enmasse to vote, even with bombs exploding in some places. They recognise and understand they're shaping their future. NAIJA, LETS BE WISE & DO WHAT IS RIGHT. A word is enough for the wise, God bless Nigeria.

Obviously, gene doesn't want to talk bout it cos of d bad publicity it will bring if/when it crashes and she wouldn't want to rock d (aristo) boat. So, she's playing safe . All thesame, gene's ma girl, my best local actress, and dbanj, one of d most eligible bachelors in naija. They make a good couple to me, with all d indices and ingredients of a high profile reltnshp. Pls help me welcome our own BANJENE!

Pls let America invade Nigeria and liberate us from the grip of these corrupt, power-drunk ruling-class/PDP!!! What we're experiencing in Nigeria is worse than any form of colonialism, poverty & suffering in d midst of plenty! At least if America colonise us we're sure of getting basic infrastructure if nothing else- good roads, stable power, security etc, which is just what d average nigerian is asking for.

[color=Black]Interesting topic here. Let him that have ears to hear & eyes to see hear and see. Unfortunately, some pple have eyes & ears for decoration. Advice to all CEC members and members of all churches for dat matter: open yr eyes, shine ur eyes well-well!!! Read scripture urself and ask questions within and without ur church, seek d truth cos only d truth can set u FREE, free from all lies and false doctrines and teachings and traditions of men.
 On d other hand, if u want to be deceived by closing ur eyes to happenings in ur church inconsistent with scriptures, by feeling secure in d midst of a crowd or by pleasing ur pastor (instead of God), then GOODLUCK! [/color]

@ Petres 007 & Enigma, i really admire ur courage to stand 4 d truth and enlighten others. Concerning the blind trust and fear most pple (like sheep) have for their GO's/papas, i don't have much to say other than 'let those who have ears to hear hear', but unfortunately alot of pple only have ears 4 decoration, and i feel 4 them cos i know d hardest thing for any human to do is to accept ERROR OF BELIEF. It takes a sincere heart seeking d truth to do that. Personally, i started seeking d truth some yrs ago and began experiencing what d bible says- 'and d truth shall set u free'.
I'm really interested in rubbing minds with pple after d truth and wld like to meet with u and dig into d word on several issues like- sunday worship, tithe, keeping d law, true meaning of 'born again' etc. I suggest we open a thread specifically on these bible truths (i've not opened a thread b4, think i might just start). Once again, more elbow to ur grease

Very funny but real. To evry rule there's an exception;
    RULE- d typical naija babe beleives a guy must spend and spend to show his luv/b4 she'll give it to him (as if they're selling it). U'll hear some say 'afterall if d relatnshp end what will i have to show as my gain?' And funny enough, after depending on men 4 practically everything they will want to claim equality/women right like oyinbo pple.
   D EXCEPTION: there's a very small % however dat give more than sex in a relationship, they give moral, emotional and sometimes financial support. But there's also an exceptn here too, u'll hardly find a pretty, young, enlightened, not-desperate-4-marriage naija babe support a guy financially!!! Those that do are mostly sugar mummies or dem don dey comot market and on d condition dat d guy must sabi work well-well!

I just wonder what d ladies are complaining bout!!! wetin? hw can u insinuate gene's too good 4 dbanj? whats ur criteria? whats so special bout her anyway? D fact she's dated married men (even if they're ex-president & ex vice) and with a child out of wedlock, will make most eligible bachelors ( not even up to d kokomaster level) run away from commitment. I think most girls here are just jealous of gene or dbanj, (eg tatiana009) don't know who.
Anyhow that said, i think they're good together, luv relationships like this, hoping to hear d bells soon! Goodluck to 'BANJENE'!!!

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