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lomomike:
it seems like most people especially the ignorant church goers have been blinded by their ignorance that they can utter such terrible things from their mouth yet not be afraid of the consequences thereof. I am not perfect but at least i know what the bible say concerning offerings, tithes, first fruits etc, pls Christians and church goers study your bible with directives from the holy spirit i believe u'd better understand. The bible say study to show thy self approved, the bible also said knowledge come by hearing and hearing the word of God, it also said dis book of the law shall not depart from your mouth but you shall meditate on it day and night, Many people have unfortunately ignored studying the word of God which is actually an operation manual for effective living and as a result, they have come to show to the world how ignorant they are and how disobedient they are also. the bible encourages offerings, tithes, first fruits etc, its actually a medium with which you test God to bring blessings and abundance to u if its done with faith. the bible said therefore bring forth all your first fruits into the house of the lord now test me and see if i will not open the gates of heaven and release blessings on u so much so that there will be no room, the !st fruits, tithes and offerings were also encouraged by Jesus Christ cos he came to fulfil the scriptures contained in the old testament.Note tithes, 1st fruits may not necessarily be cash. its just that we are living a currency controlled era , pls stop being robbers and stop robbing God, it doesn't pay. Even if some so called men of God swallows your cash just know that its not your case but the case lies with them and God when their grace period expires. to those that have ears let them hear,

Can i ask u a simple question? why is it that pple like u & ur ilk always run to d old testament (d law) scriptures 4 support only when it comes to issues of money but are gravely silent when it comes to other issues of d law? Is it cos u couldn't find any in d new testament to backup ur claims? Have u not read in romans that we're no longer under d law but grace?
You're just like d gentiles who Paul preached to but were later convinced by d jews to be circumcised and keep d law. Go and read Pauls' angry reaction to them in d book of acts.
Nontheless, if u choose to keep d law, u have made d finished work of christ on d cross of non effect and u therefore MUST KEEP ALL ASPECT OF D LAW! So be ready to
- stone any witch/wizard to death (suffer not a witch to live)
- stone any adulterous woman to death
- take ur pound of flesh when offended (an eye 4 an eye)
- eat only clean meat (no more pork, catfish, crayfish, snail etc)
- go to jerusalem for all d numerous feasts
- keep d sabbath, which by d way is saturday (this one is even b4 d law, like u claim tithe is also b4 d law)
- build an alter and offer up burnt offering etc and all other aspect of d law.
I guess d person asking why this thread was opened is benefiting from this scam and doesn't want d eyes of gullible & ignorant pple to be opened or is plain ignorant himself.

Pukkah:
Religion is the opium of the masses and will continue to be. Many people cast their troubles on religion, expecting overnight miracles, forgetting that no matter who you are at any point in time, regardless of your belief system, you must have challenges as long as you are alive.

Tell dem my brother. This is d main reason we're not moving forward as a nation. Instead of fighting & demanding for our rights to good governance, good roads, security, stable power, we turn to religion for instant miracles 4 ourself and family (as if other nigerians don't matter, _{as long as it's not me and my family}. Our religous and political leaders recognise this and laugh their way to d banks, while ur eyes are tightly closed in prayers 4 miracles, they get their miracles instantly @ ur expense.
D average nigerian about to embark on a journey from lagos to ibadan (less dan an hr journey) will pray and fast against accidents (bad roads), highway robbers (lack of security), police encounter (corruption). But same nigerian in a developed society takes all these for granted because of d reaponsible government they have in place, which was made possible by d people.

mabell:
Everybody is just against Pastors forgetting that they are not the originators of the first fruits
The first fruits started in the bible days,even now and not even in the days of Jesus

Ex 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Le 2:14 And if thou offer a meat offering of thy firstfruits unto the LORD, thou shalt offer for the meat offering of thy firstfruits green ears of corn dried by the fire, even corn beaten out of full ears.
Le 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
Pr 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

God gave specifications through his prophets, that's to show you the importance of the first fruit and he specifically stated that it should be given to the prophet, so, which one is your own about giving to the pastor or the pastor asking for it. If the pastor can talk about any other subject, how much more about the firstfruits.
I'm not aware he forces anybody to give, it is a thing of choice in as much as God demands for it.
Any bible believing church should preach firstfruits
I give my firstfruits, it is not the first or second and neither will it be the last
It is my money remember
At this point i have read it in the bible with my two eyes so it is not whether pastor says so or not, i just give it
abi the bible na lie!

My dear u need to study (not just read) your bible again. d fact that something is in d bible don't mean u should do it, scripture interpret scripture and also, we're in a different dispensation. Let me ask u- have u read where it says in d bible- 'suffer not a witch to live?' will u now stone a self confessed witch to death? Do u keep d lords' sabbath (saturday)?, Don't u eat unclean meat (pork, cat fish etc)? The truth (which i believe ur pastor knows) is that we're no longer under d law but under grace. All things have been given us for free, u don't have to pay a dime. Be it 1st fruit, tithe, seed sowing etc if u must give do it cheerfully and without compulsion.
 Lastly, i'll advice u to give to d needy, orphans, homeless, widows etc remember christ said anything u give/do to these people (not ur pastor) u have done/given to him and u will store up treasures for urself in heaven. (sorry am not quoting scriptures here cos am not with my bible but am sure u know d relevant scriptres)

harakiri:
Yes, it is true and expect an army of "true believers" a.k.a gullible lemmings to challenge you for having the effontery to open this thread. Even if their pastor tells them to bring 6 months income in exchange for divine blessings,intervention and miracles from above. . .they will do it without batting an eyelid even if it means borrowing or selling property. Whoe betide anyone who tries to talk sense into them. They would rather kill you than listen to you because they can't face the reality that all the false hope they have been paying for through tithes,offerings/seed offerings,vows,donations,thanksgiving,building contribution and so on has all been a fraud! Truth is always bitter though. Like my people say : The day a madman realises he's mad is the day he ceases to be mad.

GBAM! U just hit d nail on d head.

I dey laff-o! I dey laff @ pple who have eyes & ears for decoration, those who worship man, those who refuse to read their bibles.

shinaidowu:
@Ymodulus
Haba it should not get to the level of calling them idiots and love-peddlers, na wah o.

Back to the topic i think its very lame for Joagbaje to defend anything here. Honestly i am beginning to get confused about Christ Embassy. Pastor Chris celebrated his birthday, everybody knew about it but did everybody go for the birthday, the answer is NO. So those that went how did they get IV was it not sent to them. Personally i paid for the ticket make e no be like say na me poor pass, but the rationale behing that idea or who muted at all still makes me to wonder. If you want to restrict crowd or the so called senior Pastor who were locked out last year, and you want them to get a seat this year. While not simply give or allocate the number of seats par the cards to the churches, must it be sold for a whooping 1000.
People are always looking for what to say but must we always give them what to say. But just a thought how does Pastor Chris ministry keep expanding, its just a food for thought. That means God is with him no matter the mistakes or error the church makes, that should be the key learning point about God. Thats my own opinion o.

@ d bolded, i can only imagine d number of pple like u that grudgingly paid d N1k only to start smiling and jumping in an atmosphere of psychological delusion once inside. THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO TO YOURSELF IS TO DECEIVE YOURSELF!
Ask urself how do other religions and churches expand? Is rapid expansion a proof that God is with a ministry? Then God must be with islam, catholic, budhism and any fast-growing religion/ministry, cos each 1 of islam & d catholic church have a population of over 1 billion, and i don't think ur CE has a worldwide membership of up to 10m members. Using ur logic, any church not expanding rapidly lack d presence of God right? _{food 4 tot}

10cirenoh:
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I strongly disagree with d above. I've an account with diamond bank (should be dormant by now though) and i've got ugly stories/experiences of how diamond bank steals from their customers account. Sometime in 2009 i discovered they've been withdrawing 3k every month for 5 months (that's 15k) from my account. When i complained they claimed txts were sent (i never got any) informing customers operating that type of account of d new cot (as against d normal N5/N1k charge) and adviced me to migrate to another account with N5/N1k cot. I did, only to get a txt on d 30th dec 2009 that starting 31st dec 2009 (less than 24hrs), N10k will be charged as cot on dis my new account (DBXA i think)! I quickly rushed down to d bank to complain and was again adviced to migrate to yet other accounts with varying fixed cot, least of which is N1,500! See me see wahala! how much i get for account, i immediately emptied my account and left 4 good.
Now pls note, i was informed by my account officer that d 3k cot charge on my previous account was stopped after much complaint from customers but d money wasn't refunded. It will interest you to note also that alot of their customers are not aware of such deductions frm their account cos i narrated my ugly experience to 2 friends who had accounts with them and they decided to check their accounts only to discover same thing. Is this not daytime robbery? Am still furious @ Diamond bank for stealing my money!

Interesting topic. I hear alot of people here saying tithing was before d law, how about keeping d sabbath, was that not also before the law? (God rested on d 7th day after creation and commanded us to observe it as a day of rest) So if u must pay/give tithe you must also observe d sabbath and every iota of d law.
  Tithing was a minor part of the law (as confirmed by Jesus himself) but we're not under under d law but under grace. If u really want to understand and confirm wether we are to give tithe or not, study Paul's gospels and you will see that this issue arose even those days. D jews in d time of Paul were compelling d gentiles to be circumcised and keep d law, but Paul was angry and told them they need not keep d law.
  It amazes and amuses me how pentecostal pastors are quick to jump to d old testament when it comes to issues of money but are quick to declare we're no longer under d law when it comes to other issues (like keeping d sabbath, not eating unclean food, observing all d feasts etc). Some even say 'tithing is d secret to your prosperity'. Makes me wonder how many pple in d worlds' richest 100 pple paygive tithes!
  For those who still insist on giving/paying tithe here's my advice:
     The levitical priesthood is no more, and we have  1 high priest, Jesus (whose priesthood is after d order of melchizedek, whom abraham gave his one-off tithe). D question now arises- how do you give your tithe to Jesus? Remember, He said if you give to d poor you've given to him. So plz if u're convinced to pay tithe, give it to d poor and needy! Guess your pastor won't find this funny

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Hi guys, its been fun reading u guys comments & contributns even up till now. I make posts occasionally but always spend my free time on nairaland. Just want to confirm d news am hearing, is it true that glo gave uti $700k? Plz somebody confirm, if true that'll be good news really, with all d noise been made by those zombis zimbos over d $300k great grand pa, dictator mumugabe gave mumunya, this will shut dem up finally! Once again Congrats uti and all nairalanders.
On shuti, i loved d romance, am sure even mufc fans luvd it and still do. They look gud 2geda, both tall & beautiful, like a romantic movie. We all want to see, albeit secretly, that romance we all crave 4 ourselves, play out b4 our eyes, like a movie. Shuti is our own Brangelina! But guys am afraid dat-
1. sheila is a 'free spirit' as uti puts it, and may be 2 much 4 our boy to handle @ d long run. uti is reserved & conservative when it comes to romance/relatnship. He said it once on d show dat most celebs marriage crash cos they cldn't keep their family from d press.
2. d pressure we're putting on dem may do more harm dan gud. lets live dem alone to make their decisions, which ever way it goes, whether marriage or bff, we'll always stand by dem. Cheers!

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Whats wrong with d poster looking 4 a virgin wife? Abeg ladies free d guy, when u girls always have a long list of qualities u want in a man including- 'RICH, TALL & HANDSOME GUY'! Now u want to crucify d poor guy 4 wanting a tear rubber.
What u guy shld know is dat 4 a girl to b a virgin in her 20s tell a lot about her past and makes a man appreciate n respect her more.

@ yinkade, shame on u! It's ppe like u dat give yorubas a bad name and d reason why nigeria is where it is. U dis enemy of progress, traitor! How cld u snitch on us to ur mumu fans? Henceforth u have bin declared persona non grata, u disgust me! Don't ever post on nairaland again, go to ur mumuland, I.DIOT!!!

How're we sure innocent civilians/hostage are not among d 15 dead? We all know how our soldiers operate.

bxg:
omg i just saw irene running out of her bed unclothed

Saw it too cldn't believe ma eyes! That girl is damn sexy!

@ montelik, am not surprised, just keep it to urself, don't do de-marketing here.

In his diary session mumunyam said uti called him a small boy that was y he attacked him(uti) yesterday, suggesting uti provoked him. Shocking, d way this boy twists events in his favour, unfortunately, most pple on d bba website don't seem to watch d show live, as they depend only on biased report on site 4 updates,which they ignorantly respond to. He attacked uti unprovoked, saying 'uti i'll finish u', calling him a coward and daring him to look into his eyes and tell him he(mumunya) can't finish him. Uti was wise to see d trap and simply called him a small boy, saying 'i won't bring myself down to ur level, u be smallie'. (That shut d mumu up last night). D thing pain mumu and he start to complain to biggy say uti needs to show him some respect even if he's young.
Even if homeboy no win at d end of d day he will hav hmself and his mouth diorreah to blame, but we won't stop doing our part, we must stand by our boy till d end.

I also don't like his tendency of always reacting to provocation. But the issue is that if Uti wants to use his tongue to hang himself, let him. But please don't try to tie d noose for him. Uti is always in d news mostly because BB is using him to create controversy and promote their show. Uti farts its news on BBA site, Uti wakes up its news, Uti says something careless about some one, its on d front page in seconds. k1 calls meryl's daughter a naughty person, not a peep from d site. mwisho goes around also making fun of other housemates, no long biased articles, paloma is conspiring with k1, no mention. Huh

If Uti is going to hang himself let him, but don't join hand to assist cause then you will be a party to murder.
 @ Montelik, u just hit d nail on d head! I watched all that happened 2day and was shocked at d 1-sided report on d bba site. They made out uti to be d agressor and mwisho d victim. I'm definitely not happy d way homeboy can't seem to control his mouth, always responding to provocation, but like u said, d report shld be balanced. U need to see d hate posts pple started posting on d site, even some so-called nigerians (might be mufc at work). Had to come on board to defend home boy and point out d bias/one-sided report. It got to a stage during d mwisho confrontatn dis morn that uti said he doesn't want to talk again and declared mwisho d winner of d fight, but mwisho won't let him be. Next thing, trust homeboy, he burst mwisho bubble by saying he's d winner of a dumb game and he (uti) is happy to be d loser in d dumb game. It's unfortunate uti has a way of always coming out looking bad after an arguement, wehter he is right or wrong.
 As an aside, its a pity uti seem to be d only one not playing d game strategically, he takes things too personal and easily shows his emotion. In this game u pretend sometimes and don't always show ur true colors. Thank God he's lost his voice, that will keep him quiet 4 a while _{till sunday i hope}

Truth be told, naija men have their own faults but dem dey try, wetin! hw many non-nigerian men can afford to train a girl thru school, spend on her bros, sis and even parents? Knew of a guy that trained his girl friend thru poly, only 4 her to dump him upon graduation, claiming levels have changed!
 A young man starts dating a girl and d next thing she shifts all her responsibilities on him- hairdo, clothes, cream, money and d inevitable r. cards. Not 4getting d normal outings _{naija babes vehemently forbid paying 4 food/drinks} and birthdays. Over 90% of our girls have this selfish attitude, less then 10% are different. A girl once confided in me that girls try to get as much as they can from their guys so that when d relatnship is over she can say, yes i gained so & so frm d relship. _{poverty mentality, low selfworth and sef-centredness if u ask me}
 Pls my sistas, its time to change ur attitudes 4 d better. Why wld u expect d world on ur bday and ask ur guy 4 money to buy him a present on his?

Hehe, i dont even know what a recharge card is. But i pay for everything for myself by myself, im very stubborn and independent. No its not getting to me just wanted to throw another thought into the mix. All good.
@ Tink ish, d bold words above are not good qualities of a wife material. hw can u be stubborn and independent, just cos u pay 4 every thing urself?

@ amber, this is not excusing hanni's action, sure it's wrong to hit a woman, but pls go and watch that video again. Lerrato practically manipulated & pushed him to d wall! Men, that girl get bad mouth, just like d typical south african babe. U push a man u know has temper to d wall with ur nagging, he over-reacts, and u turn around to play d victim, insisting either he lives or u live _{trying to manipulate bb to kick hanni out}. Even d bible says 'it's better to stay on d rooftop than to live in same house with a nagging woman.
Whatever hanni gets as punishment will be well-deserved, but Lerato also deserves some form of punishment also. That was how she manipulated yacob and pushed him to d wall and d poor guy exploded! I'm begining to dislike dis lerrato of a girl.

Hmmmm, what a funny circle of things! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

When Yacob was on the receiving end of things from the ladies, Hannington stood and watched and he justified it that he didn't want o get involved so as not to look bad.

Why then should Code have gotten involved with Hannington's misbehaviour? What if Hannington had turned violent on him, would he have been justified to defend himself? BTW, it is possible Code didn't believe Hannington would actually hit the lady, he could have been thinking "Hell, this guy is smarter than that!"

Hannington had no right to hit a woman, he should carry his own can.
GBAM!!! Cant agree with u more. But let's be fair, if u watch d video u wld see just how annoying Lerrato was! she just went on and on nagging, hannington just cldn't take it anymore, d barnmates were even getting pissed! Looks like she has been drinking. Hanni obviously needs anger therapy, shot himself in d leg, feel so bad for him.