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ElFenomeno1:
So it pops off around here too?!

It kind of does. Though it's the same washed up argument over and over again

Amadioha strike anyone wey dey tender apology for this thread. Make una dey fire dey go o jare. Nah dat one sweet pass.

Nihilist:
SBW...but you know that

All Blacks all day err day...but you know that....

This world cup will be tight though

I think it could be a All Blacks v Australia/Ireland final.

The WC is going a huge pain for my commute though...I have to travel to Fleet in Hampshire once a week, and my route through London is the main artery to Twickenham

Will SBW start though that's the question? Also The All Blacks centre patnership is likely to be Nonu and Conrad Smith, so how much of a starring role is He likely to play coming off the bench?.....England's Jonathan Joseph will also be one of the stars of this tournament(His sidestep is insane)

It will be very tight. Not sure about Ireland. They seem to always choke on the Biggest stage. Les Blues in contrast always rise to the occasion. Will be backing them to go very far.

My brethren lives very close to twickenham so trust me I know much of a pain your journey to and from will be.

Nihillist

The big one starts on friday u know. I really can not wait. C'mon u Red Roses. Who do you think will be the star of this year's tourney? My money is on Julian Savea. Dude is an Absolute Beast!

Nihilist:
Chic2pimp A40 Nitlad

Oh boy i don see am o

A40:
Hahahaha! Haba Klose is infinitely better than Giroud. Apart from his tenure at Bayern where he was poorly motivated, Klose's numbers are better. Giroud is an average joe

Only Wenger can legit attempt prosecuting league challenges with Giroud and Welbeck. He must be a masochist

Loool no be say I dey compare am directly with Giroud but He is no more than a level better.

coogar:
bobby charlton? mediocre?
world cup winner, balon d'or winner, champions league winner, yet mediocre?
you are talking rubbish, raumdeuter.

Don't mind Dayo.

Klose Bawo? Is He any better than Giroud?

raumdeuter:
Rooney is a mediocre striker. And I saw Rooney right from his debut till now

Maybe in the English posse of no talent he might be counted as decent but when we are talking about strikers globally.

Rooney is a poor imitation.

I didnt see Bobby Charlton he was probably another mediocre forward too thats just hyped by a country who desperately needs someone to celebrate

He scored his only world cup goal after 3 attempts. 6 tournament goals . Nigga please!!!

Probably another Mediocre Striker? An attacking midfielder with 49 international goals mediocre? A Balon d'or winner mediocre? The best player at a worldcup(at worst second best)mediocre? I know you hate anything English but this is just insane and you know it

SIRcumalot:
The 2014 world cup success is the crowning achievement of a team that has knocking the door since the 2010 world cup even through the euros. Maybe a semi-finals finish at most.

I'll take even a while further back. Since the worldcup they hosted in 2006

SIRcumalot:
Why not ?
Giggs was honoured has the greatest EPL player a few years back.

Performing to the best of your abilites won't get you a golden ball in the world cup if your team mates aren't good.

Giggsy's award has more to do with longevity than anything else. Off the top of my head i can name 3 man united players that had more of an impact in the premier league era than Giggs(Ronaldo,Cantona, Keane)

It might not but it'll leave you with a shot at it

SIRcumalot:
No matter how great you're football na 11 vs 11
A lone star in a bad team can't do much by himself.
George best and ryan giggs are two man utd greats that through accident of birth never played a world cup tournament

No one is asking for and neither are we expecting a miracle. Performing to best of your ability is all I ask.

Best is a Great of the game(NI were shocking during his time so He can excused) however Giggs isn't.

SIRcumalot:
What does this really prove ?
Aside from the fact that you're a superstitious fellow.
Is the tournament where some of the best players in the world may never participate or even go far enough to win anything a real test for where talent is ?

Supersitious ke? How? When it can proven with FACTS on the ground?

When I talk about performances, I am referring to individual ones not team ones. Standing above your peers in a team setting is what I am talking about here. All the true Greats of the game have shown their worth in these said competitions and it is what the majority of them are and will be remembered by(Di Stefano and Best[possibly weah from an African Perspective]are the only two Real Great off the top my head that have not done so)

raumdeuter:
The French team was the classic example. When their team was dominated by Serie A players

E.g In 1998 Thuram Parma, Deschamps Juve, Djorkaeff- Inter Desailly- Milan, Zidane- Juve, 5 starters They won the World cup
4yrs later their first teamers were dominated by EPL players Barthez-Man Utd, Wiltord- Arsenal, Henry- Arsenal, Viera-Arsenal, Petit- CHelsea 5 starters they failed to qualify from the groups

I think it is fair to say playing in the premier league severely hinders one's ability to perform in international tournaments

SIRcumalot:
is the serie a and the la liga to blame for the bad outing of both country in the last world cup.

A bad showing at a tournament every now and then is expected and can be forgiven If you have either won as much as the Azzuris or the Nazis have over the last century or La Furia Roja have over the last decade.

That is beside the point though. The point it is if u want your national team to be competitive during international competitions, your star players should be 2 to avoid the premier league like a plague. The last time a player plying his trade in England was amongst the top three in the votings for the winner of the Golden Ball was Bobby Charlton(Winner) in 1966. 1966 ikwuru gini?Odikwa serious o!

Odunharry:
true talk....Henry to me is better

Ofcourse He is.

Mourinholic:
None of us who deal with DAYO have been hear to say anything about Henry and big games ........

One or two of your commrades have been here to say exactly just that

hensben:
You're not making sense. Show me were boateng was man of the match in those finals he played. Drogba always rated as man of the match in almost every finals he played unlike Henry who don't even have known to point to apart from scoring goals in regular epl matches for arsenal. Drogba won awards in French league Henry had known, he was a flop at juve. Drogba don't just appear in big games for appearing sake.

I won't even go as far as to ask you to list the BIG Finals Terry was rated MOTM. I would be taking the piss if I did that. What I would ask you to do however is to list the number of Big Finals JT has put up a half decent showing?

I am pretty certain you never watched Henry at Juve(most people never did apart from Ardent Serie A fans ). Henry's problem had more to do with failing to settle in Italy rather than being a flop. I bet you never knew He had 2 coaches(with different ideas on what his best position was) in the 6 months He was with Juve. In His last 7-10 games, He actually did play well. If Drogba was judged by only his first season(Full not Half like Henry btw) with chelsea, He would also be considered a flop.

I am yet to see anyone rate Drogba over Henry apart from NL's Pseudo-Analysts.

Nihilist:
Terrible accent.

Don Cheadle can do flawless Cockney but Will Smith cant even be bothered to learn the accent?

Why didnt they just give it to Chiwetal who is BOTH A-List and Igbo?

He won't pull in the type of Numbers the producers are targeting. He is lacking the "XFactor"

The same dudes that are rating Drogba higher because of his Big games performances will be the same set of dudes foaming in the mouth when both Raudmeuter and A40 use the same yardstick in rating BoaTank higher than Terry

David Luiz kwa ......We all know BoaTank is far from being the best thing since sliced bread but comparing him to Luiz is stretching it a bit.

Adaeze003:
Oh please shut it already, most of you can't comprehend that simple post. Barking up the thread like wild dogs...

Mtcheew

@everyone that quoted me, grow up already! Shameless men, exchanging words with someone that's much younger than you are.

Tufia...

They sure did hit a nerve didn't they?

Ibime:
60000 is alright abeg

Juve even downgraded to 40000

Spanish giants can afford to fill 120000 stadium because they are owned by fans who only pay £20 per head.

You cant fill 120000 charging £50 entry fee.

Try watching match from the top of 80000 stadium, you won't see match well. Some of the fans at Old Trafford, Bernabeu and Nou Camp are just there to savour the atmosphere. They need telescope to watch the game.

60000 isin fact the ideal size that does not hamper viewer experience, and also the size a big club can be expected to fill at current entry prices. To fill 80000 stadium you will have to drop the price so there is no increase in turnover by adding 20000 seats

Absolutely true. I remember when Me and a couple of mates went to the camp Nou late last year. We were camped right at the top of the stadium. We Could not see A thing. Might as well have brought a tv set with us.

A40:
Douglas Costa and Arturo Vidal are on standby with the K.Y ready to s0domize A$snal. Its gonna be ugly and grimy

There is a totally different Arsenal u know

Oh boy nah Le Arse for Munich. A40 shey u ready?

AirborneLacer:
Take Jimenez bro, Laporte is just an upgraded version of Gerard Pique.

Technically good but quite slow.

I actually quite rate Laporte u know. I think he'll be a quality signing. He has definitely left an impression on me

£40M for stones? Are you having a laugh? Give me one of either Jose Jimenez or Laporte every day of the week

raumdeuter:
You dont know the media can influence perception and award. You know David Beckham was once a WPOTY runner up?
Have you forgotten how we heard about the invincible power of average players like Joe Cole, SWP, Adam Lallana, Andy Carrol and other half baked English footballers without a proper football education? At the peak of these so called Golden generation around 2006, After the 2006 world cup, You realize Owen Hargreaves the only foreign based in their midst was standout performer of the world cup and the others were seen to be just a little better than 2nd division players

Actually with the awards count Terry would be rather higher than Baresi, Costacurta

Even though I still think Ferdinand is mediocre, he is still better than John Terry

Yes David was runner up in 99 and imo It was fully deserved. His performances during united's treble winning season that year were outstanding. You know how you love to bang on about "What were his contribution in the final"? Guess what? He created both of Utd's goal that night.

Stop making up stories. The only player that got any sort of hype in that list of yours was Joe Cole. If those players were as lowly rated as you claim, pray tell why was JT in the team of the tournament? And don't use the same ol' excuse of media hype again. It's stale now.

If performances in worldcup finals were the only way to judge players, then Casillas is 3 times the player Ollie Khan was.

A40:
He is a product of English hype. He has not only played in ultra-defensive system but also been fortunate to have exceptionally good defensive partners

When he had to play in a more expansive setup we all saw the result, John Terry became a laughing stock

Henry is a WC and Euro winner, scratch FA cup finals we are talking about major Finals in International competitions, Drogba's record is 1/4. Terry is not Henry so I don't quite get the analogy

He has not just been Fortunate, He was a key component of those defences. I know you see individual awards as nothing more than popularists opinions(i do at times) but you also should consider the fact that these said nominees must have done/or be doing something right to have their names mentioned in the first place.


Regarding my Henry/Terry analogy, have a good look at Nateev's post. He explains it fully. Also FA cup is a major international competition abeg. It might not be one here on NL, but around the world, it is still highly rated and watched.

Katsumoto:
I think that has to do with the British giving him credit for what others did and overlooking his errors in the same vein.

I remember Henry being interviewed some years ago in a game in which Henry didn't score. The interviewer asked what Henry thought of being marked out of the game by Henry and Henry, with an astonished look on his face, responded that it was Gallas who played against him throughout the game.

If another defender had been left liked a disabled man on the ground like Ayew left Terry 2 weeks ago, you would have been hearing from Rednapp, Murphy, Neville, etc about how useless that defender is.

But I guess, you (chic2pimp) can consider him a great defender. If Terry is a great defender, then Nesta, Ferdinand, and Cannavaro must be out of this world.

Is British media also responsible for his plethora of awards? Abeg let's give credit to whom it's due. No one is saying Terry is the second coming of Baresi but neither should we rubbish his accomplishments. It's get even more ridiculous when people start saying is no better than Bramble. Bramble you know? Fecking Hell! who next?

Yh but How did/does that interview show that Henry failed to perform to the level expected of players of his caliber in big games?

The terry vs ferdinand argument is actually a very interesting one that has been going on for years. Depending on who your ask, the answer will always be different

Anyone that says the Uk is a classless society is living in denial. It has always been and will always be. In addition to all those other classes mentioned, there is also what is known as the underclass

There is also a reason why the who's who of Elite Britain keep on sending their wards to prep schools like cheam, Ludgrove,cottesmore, caldicott , Elstree etc. Then these very set then move on to schools like Harrow, Eton, Charterhouse,winchester and Gordonstoun. The network or contacts students amase at these aforementioned schools is not to be sniffed at all. And Unless you are extremely dumb, it will set you up for life.

To the individual that said we need more Grammar schools, I 100% agree. This is a clear difference in the quality of students Grammar schools produces when compared to their state counterparts. A few years back, a Very intelligent child(currently a year 2 student at LSE) of a family friend tried getting into Eton as a King's Scholar but unfortunately did not make it. He ended up going to a Grammar school instead. I remember thinking no way would Harry had gotten into Eton with their list of requirements(in addition to your Academic brillance, you also had to be musically good. The more instruments you played the better. Being gifted at a sport or another also comes in Handy) had He not been born into the Royal Family.

homesteady:
See how Barcelona Team B boy(Adama) is destroying EPL 'great defenders' on his debut! If he can start running from almost the mid-line and forced an own-goal, I wonder what Messi will do!

Humour me and ask for the names of these so called numerous "Great Defenders" that populate the league like it's running out of fashion?

A40:
The Boa-TANK is better. JT is just another product of English hype! Typical blood and thunder defender whose contributions were severely inflated and perpetually kept guys like Carvalho in the background


Drogba that lost two ANC Finals and got sent off in his first CL Final. I no blame you na Robben I blame,

Henry is a World, Euro Champion how does the comparison with John Racist come around?


98.9% of German players are better than their English counterparts that is why Germany has 7 major titles to England's 1

JT isn't just a product of English Hype. He is actually a Great defender(or was in his pom). Let's say it how it is abeg. That He has been able to maintain such a level of consistency over a long period of time says a lot about the Man.


With regards to the Henry comparison, you do know He is yet to score in a major final whilst DD has done that a number of times right?