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I have been inclined not to respond to your posts, which are most often medicine after the fact.

The problem with the Crystal Services applicants and a lot of people in Nigeria is that they are lazy - they do not bother to do their research, check their facts, ask legitimate sources for answers.  They want shortcuts and to do things on the cheap.

How many times have I seen people post on NL asking about a website when the time it took them to log in and post they could have done a Google search and found it (and I have done many of these on my mobile phone so it's not rocket science).  

Those same people who were scammed could easily have:

Looked up the information online provided by the CIC.
Contacted the Canadian High Commission and Deputy High Commission for information and clarification
Read the information from different forums online which provide legitimate application support, including one of the threads here in the Travel Section of NL.

There is no secret way to do things, there are no shortcuts.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.

They will blame the agents, alfa, pastor, family and friends, traditional doctor, juju wey pass juju, big men, secret cults, all sorts of nonsense instead of accepting that, from the  evidence presented, the Crystal Services offering did not add up. 
 
They have no one else but themselves to blame.  Some of us repeatedly stated the right way to immigrate to Canada, and what CS was doing was suspect, and got nothing but insults and curses from these same applicants.  

Desperation is not an excuse for stupidity.  I would like to think people will learn from this, but I very much doubt it.

The Lord has provided information all over this thread, but keep waiting for Him to give you answers.

I am not supporting anybody but i just want people to mind what they say to those affected, insulting them doesnt make anybody better than them.I know that all of us have been scammed one way or the other. you claim my information are medicine after death, well thats your opinion,but i believe those that need it are making use of it. Let me ask you,what have your likes contributed?.Some claimed that they have warned people here,what is the percentage of people who putted up for the programme and are on nairaland?. Few if you must know,mind you they have the right to choose their path in life. Are they not the same set of people that are dropping email to get another info on how to travel. Let them decide and dont insult to drive home your point, it doesnt show how strong your point is. Mind you,if you see my post next time, just shut your eyes ans scroll to the next on.its a free world

i will just tell those that are not scammed as lucky,because all the facts this guy displayed show lot to convince pple. involvmnt of police,immigration and notable pple. if some of you are accussing those that applied as wanting to cut corners. What of those that had to travel down from overseas to apply.well the Lord will give us answers to our questions

news getting to me is indicating that fred has been arrested.i will try and confirm this.two fm station have confirmed it.stay tuned

i wish mariofemi wont answer some people questions here. Let justwise and the rest give us update since they are crusifying those that are. If some people know how to catch those agents that milk applicants dry,let them help us with their "i know it all" skills. I come here preaching peace, some said its chaos they prefer. Let them teach us how to start that chaos. We all have the right to choose where we stand at any point in life and thank God we still have the right to change that stand. None of you here is bringing solution, so stop critisizing those that are. Havent we all done enough damage arguing here. Well i will still continue preaching logical reasoning and peace here. if you are not happy about that,then sign out of here.

see if you people want to sit here and argue about who is who, then you all have a problem. mariofemi that you are talking about was at NAPTIP to meet with the agency on progress report. He was even seen along with some other petitioners adressing the crowd. While mariofemi and the others were claiming itso a scam,some applicants still argue with them that its not and that they still believed that its real and there is visa on thier pp. no matter how you argue here,applicants out there will take the path they so wish. I still maintain it that we should watch our utterances.not mariofemi or ojdollar or justwise alone,but everybody

Must we insult to press home our point. There is no difference between you and those that you are insulting because, your insulting them shows the level of eduaction you attained. Everybody will get their pp back once they are retrieved by NAPTIP. I dont need to say much, but let mind our utterances.

I strongly believe from my investigation that famowole is FRED OLAWALE. I will imploy members of this forum to ignore him, reason for saying this will be known soon.I  stumbled upon some discovery, but i am not to say it now in order not to obstruct investigation and justice, and i will beg that any act of breaking in into CS will be at applicants detriment. Let us be civil and understand what it means when a seal is placed on a door by an authority. I read that one contributor wish to share something with us on monday, lets wait and see whats in the pandora box. I strongly believe solution is at the corner because i got to know that some delegates(applicants) are working around the clock with NAPTIP to get a solution.Please dont listen to FAMOWOLE again

You all accussed me for putting up a post here,some even cursed me.for the curses i will say amen,if i have done such. People claimed they need info in this forum,i shared what i was able to gather, what i am getting are insults. How many facts have  some of you people brought down here.all we are seeing are just what the law says and what it didnt say. Have you forgotten that there are always two ways to getting things done, either the good way or the bad way (there are result for each). How many of you can give us what happen today at crystal office. Well,most of you are sitting on your butts and writing rubbish here all claiming to be living somewhere in the world outside africa. I was at crystal today to observe situation and investigate today and I was able to see some prayers session going on from the crowd there.Some men of God prayed and the crowd joined in praying for the success of the programme and to see the end of this saga. Information gathered also was that Mr fred is in the country and has gone to see NAPTIP because of the ultimatum given to him to appear on the 13th sept 2011. Why am saying this is to let you know that its better we investigate in our own little ways than insulting people here.

Some are so obsessed that they claimed am mariofemi. must you attack anybody that say something positive or even neutral about crystal services or assume such person has a double identity, its only those that support your view alone you wont insult. Please lets make meaningful contribution here,and lets be reasonable in our approach. For those that are abusing and cursing,that shows the kind of contribution you people can make,for those that see things objectively,either positive or negative, i will say welldone. I will continue to do the  little i can,the way you view my contribution is your problem.I just came back from Crystal about 2hours ago.thank you

''Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new'' This is my statement for those that partook in the programme. I pray the Lord provide a better begining for those that lost all. For those that milked people dry or made money out of this. The Lord will visit you with anger. amen

@ chivic123 and famowole,

Chivic123 and famowole your post says it's your first or second time here but I doubt it. I am not going to comment on you findings which I disagree with. Do me a favour, post just 1 photo-copy of a visa and I will pay 1.5 million to you. I promise. It has to be one that was obtained in the name of CS.

I stand by my statement.

I'm Ted from Down Under (Australia)

i dont think you read my post correctly. I was only trying to let the house know what i heard and not that i have gotten mine. if anybody have done it that way, that i dont know. If those that claimed they have seen theirs are saying the truth, please how do you want me to know. If you are not residing in nigeria, I want to believe you have friends and family here and in lagos, why dont you try and ask one to make some findings for you rather than just believing in what people are posting. Mind you is it a crime to join this forum recently or what. Judging from yours too you joined recently or some day. I dont believe sharing what i was able to know as a crime, its just to help this forum. From what famowole wrote, you should know the guy is just someone like ogundokun that just want to crack jokes and laugh alone to it. As i am talking now, am going down again to Crystal services to see if i can get one or two info. I just dont believe in sitting down and concluding.thanks

Greetings to all nairalanders in this forum.

Honestly i just need to make my analysis and contribution on some issues. I have being following this thread right from the onset when insults and abuses started and i was fascinated,both from justwise,jennykardry,mariofemi, cipriani and oiestin,jaypree4real and the rest. At a stage mariofemi and justwise were the only set of people making us see reasons on both side and i wonder why mariofemi backed out(still coming to that) and left justwise alone to be. On the others or some in this forum,i wonder what you are now trying to do.when the battle was hot between them,most of us turned on lookers and when it seems the issue has tilted to one side,we decided to now join and save our faces.

I am an applicant also but i backed out when my spirit felt i shouldnt do it anymore and i quickly withdrew my passport from them directly because i followed what mariofemi said about crystal not having agents and i approached ADERONKE OSUN, who is the PA to Mr Fred(principal officer). I dont want to believe those that claimed they made investigation did,they just wanted to feel important on this forum. I made investigation on the programme and these are my findings to help this house. Some information are misinterpreted,some were made just to make the forum sweet and some are totally wrong.

THIS ARE MY FINDINGS
1.Crystal services doesnt have agents.the likes of matto,alhaji,Big daddy (an elderly man that lives beside crystal services office), Dr clark, AY (a fake PA to mr fred),and the rest are never agents.They are the ones that bastardised the programme.
2.The programme crystal services is offering is real and genuine,but how he want to go about the visa is what i dont know, beacuse he never revealed this to anyone.
3.The applicants are not up to 8000 as claimed but between 6000 and 7000 (pardon me for not getting the accurate figure) i got this figure based on how they took the group picture(20people per exposure and the photographer took about 52 per day,multiply by 6days 20x52x6=6240).i took my time to monitor the photograher and how he was taking it and how the protocol guys were controlling participants.
4.some visas of applicants were truly brought randomly down to the office for applicants to see.
5.The guinea material was never sold to anybody for 3000 naira,but everybody purchased it outside on their own.
6.The police are aware of the programme and they have done a thorough investigation on it.i was oppurtuned to be at Pedro police station and i saw a copy of a letter from Mr Fred to the CP of lagos state for police assistance and the endorsement of the CP on the letter at the DPO office at Pedro Divisional Headquaters.
6. One Mr kolawole and one Mr Ayo(both agents) lost their lives along with 4 others in a motor accident along the expressway.
7. According to NAPTIP, they themselve claimed the programme is real but mr fred has not finished submitting all the requirements
8. A kind of kickback or gratification which is huge in amount is among what NAPTIP need (nigerian factor)
9. For mr fred to have fulfilled requirement 1,2,3 of what NAPTIP want from him,it showed some genuity of the programme
10. A sensible person living in abroad will never drop his or her social security pin.
11. That the national theater was actually booked but txt wasnt sent on time to inform applicants of the cancellation
12.Mr fred was actually a resident of canada and started this programme in ghana.residents of okuneye street even claimed he used to get visas for australia and canada in years past,but the population of this one is what is strange
13.Its not only in the hydo power alone people will work,but some couple of organisations so far they are in manitoba,a train station was specifically mentioned by him one day when i was around with people in his office and at a joint.
14. There is a joint in ikeja where he always hang out.


On mariofemi,I was oppurtuned to meet him on monday, he is not an agent, but i guess he too just believed in the programme based on what he too know and have seen. It seems he is just a friend of Crystal services and also an applicant. He was the only person that came out boldly to addresse the angry crowd on monday when all the so called agents and staffs of crystal have all hidden their faces.he told us what he know about the whole programme and begged the crowd that for everyone to be calm that if the atmosphere is hostile, the man fred wont show up (i reason with him on that), for those that want their passport back, that he has heard the man tell applicant, they should make available a copy of the data page of the pp and also a withdrawal letter and get 1.5m naira available paraventure a visa is on the person pp,but if no visa is there, then no need to pay any amount. He was even recorded by some applicants with camera and he was asked various questions, he offered his phone number to the crowd to update them if mr fred is around in the country, and he mentioned about this forum and how he was adviced not to reply justwise and the rest anymore and even ask people to come to this forum and partake.

What i really want to bring out is that,we on this forum should learn to investigate rather than just believe what people say or post, or just turn this place to a comedy arena. kudos to justwise. Justwise and some serious nairalander are right in thier own view (not those that jump in when the story got sweeter and when the deed had been done or people like the clown ogundokun, camimserv(a fake investigator that was never at crystal in a jeep but a pathetic applicant that sat on the fence then and took a side now), risk2get (no focus) and the rest). Some of the so called anti crystal all processed the form but are all ashamed to own up to it.its better for everyone to shut up and allow justwise and few others to talk. More will still unfold on this issue because a text was been sent by a malicious sender asking people to pay 2000 naira into an account in phb. Mariofemi came around yesterday with some other applicants that are closer to mr fred, warning people not to pay the money, that the text can not be from crystal services.
I want to believe to some extent there is an evidence of truth in the whole issue,but it seems crysrtal services missed it along the way or some bad element just want to cash in on the situation and destroy it. I will continue to investigate and get more info, but strongly believe Mr Fred will arrive soon from dubai or might have arrived as they claim. I will use this medium to beg mariofemi to come out and say something to us here, "dont be shy and dont mind if you get insulted. you talked bravely to the crowd on monday and yesterday and we will appreciate that too here, even if people disagree with you".