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davidylan:
I'm assuming by considering his works "classical" you mean they are now obsolete? Quite absurd really. I dont know about you but Newton's laws of universal gravitation is quite impressive... the stupidity of thinking that somehow his works are less impressive than those of Neil's Bohr basically leaves me constantly flummoxed.

I hope you realize that one definition of classical (in physics!) is - relating to or based upon concepts and theories that preceded the theories of relativity and quantum mechanics; Newtonian.



The usual fallacy of appealing to authority. How many of these physicists do you personally know? Are you privy to their personal faith? So because some physicists do not think the bible is true automatically means they are right? Just how many of those physicists share the current hypothesis on chronic traumatic encephalopathy? My guess would be zero... so i guess CTE does not exist then. Bravo.



Actually they do... perhaps you assume we will find them in 2567?

Your limited (clouded) understanding of science is quite evident now. FYI Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation has now been superseded by Einstien's general relativity. I love Newton, but the poor guy never even got to learn about how atoms make up everything.

On the bible, I suggest you study christian history; the canonization, early christian versions, synoptic gospels, lost scrolls etc. You might understand why no serious scientist can take the book seriously.

Faith is belief without proof. Like many others, I left that path because I prefer rational thinking, logical reasoning based on evidence.

Humans invented Gods to attribute concepts beyond their comprehension. Science has offered by far the best explanation of concepts surrounding life and existence than any fairytale religious book ever will.

Open up your mind and educate yourself.

Rationalize your thought process. Plan/live your life like there's no supernatural aspect to it. Understand your problems and strategize logical solutions to them instead of expecting divine interventions. Find and correct your short comings instead of blaming them on "unseen forces of darkness". Strive to be happy, because even amidst broken dreams and seemingly endless problems, the world is a beautiful place.

The simple answer is No, there's no God that concerns himself with granting favours to his creatures.

You've wasted enough time looking for non existent divine intervention. Face your problems and look for rational solutions to aid you in your quest for happiness. Be strong, Life is beautiful

starlingslimnet:
It doesn't matter bro.....you can reject religion and that will not harm you like I have rejected religion but you can't reject God, if you do so you will die spiritually.

You can only "die spiritually" when you believe in the supernatural. I understand that you might need the presence of a supreme being watching/judging for it to all make sense. I don't. And I'm more alive than I've ever been

davidylan:
The vastness of the cosmos is meaningless without life itself. Biology helps us understand how that life came about and what guides its interaction with the cosmos. You're trying to put the cart before the horse... largely because you either dont understand biology or you do and realize that it contradicts your point of view. Hiding behind the "vastness of the cosmos" is just useless IMO.



You really dont want to go down the road of the fossil record because i am quite certain you have never studied it at all. If you did, you would stay quite clear of using it as proof for evolution... there is a reason no one is talking it up. If the fossil record for intermediate life forms existed (as would be expected if indeed evolution occurred) no one would be debating the theory today.



To say Newton was a victim of a lack of scientific knowledge that dominated his era is dishonest at best or stupid at worst. Take a look at the 3 laws of motion again and please explain how that is evidence of an era that lacked scientific knowledge.

The problem with such ridiculous nonsense is that it is typical of those who like to hide behind the facade of "enlightenment" when in fact they are simply empty suits.

The laws of motion must really impress you. There's a reason his works are classified under "classical" physics. Do you know that Newton practiced alchemy? There was a lack of understanding of the fundamental building blocks of matter during his time. That you can somehow ignore the fact he didn't have access to discoveries and technology that the likes of Bohr or Einstein would later enjoy is beyond me.

If you trust scientist views so much, why stop at Newton who lived centuries ago? How many prominent living physicists currently share your biblical convictions? The simple answer is ZERO.

Missing fossil links don't undermine Darwin's theory. That they haven't been found doesn't mean they never existed or they'll never be found. Have you bothered to check how many biologists currently DEBATE Darwin's theory? We're talking about one of the most widely accepted scientific theories OF ALL TIME.

The ignorance of mankind created religion. The intelligence of mankind is calculated to destroy it

davidylan:
On the contrary, i was quite sure that you did not include biology because clearly you know that it does not support your theory of some random earth just appearing out of nowhere. That is the trick that people pull all the time, they rush to their safe havens (astronomy, physics) - esoteric sciences where they can spin things as they want, knowing that 99% of the people they are talking to have no clue so of course they can never be wrong (they can just invoke the fallacy of appeal to authority when found wanting).

I find it odd that you have chosen to not study the subject that is most fundamental to the creation of man - biology and the theory of evolution.

lol perhaps you also dismiss Newton's laws since he believed every word of the bible too? I believe every word of the bible (of course i question some parts) but how that has any relevance to a scientific analysis of your own viewpoint leaves me wondering.

You might find it odd, but when you understand the the vastness of the cosmos and the observable universe and realise how insignificant our existence is compared to the timeline and scope of events, you might understand my lack of deep interest in biology.

However I have a lot of respect for Darwin. Evolution remains the only rational explanation to the existence of life forms on earth. Fossil discoveries in Paleontology and DNA technology have only strengthened his theory

Isaac Newton did not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, that's as far as his doubts took him. Coming from a time when religion and education were intertwined, there's not much else you can expect. Newton, like many revolutionary scientists during his time was a victim of the religous thought process and lack of scientific knowledge/data that dominated his era. Still, you might want to read about his rather interesting religious views.

KingEbukasBlog:
First Account : Divine purpose stated or announced

Second Account : The actual creation of new inhabitants of the restored earth was done . The second one is the "true one " and in that order

Lol I like how you've appointed yourself defender/explainer of God's supposed message. Let me enlighten you. Genesis is patched job of legends and myths of early Jews. There are two principal authors, and this is just a simple example of the hatchet job done in the compilation of the bible. Way too many contradictions and discrepancies. Not to start with the aspects disproven by science.

davidylan:
lol you must be a genius to have studied all that IN SUFFICIENT DETAIL to be able to make sense out of them... my guess is as usual, you're basically name dropping and really haven't studied a lick of what you claim. Let me ask a simple question - how does biology explain the creation of life?

Don't you think it's interesting how I never included Biology? So because Biological science hasn't (yet) concluded on the definitive process of the origin of living matter on earth, your holy book must be correct that "God did it"?

"You don't fully understand the universe (yet), your science is wrong about everything!"

I'd rather that than Genesis 1 & 2. Two differing accounts of creation in the first two chapters of the same book.

Again, I reiterate that we can't have a rational discussion if you literally believe every word of the bible.

davidylan:
I didnt assume you were ignorant, i simply noted that like so many, you tend to use the term "enlightenment" rather glibly. Take for example the last line of this post... what does "enlightenment in all aspects" actually mean? You never explain it at all. Infact its so broad as to be actually meaningless. How does that enlightenment help you come to the conclusion that the bible is fiction? It seems to me that you're making a jump in logic...

Enlightment in all aspects means I've studied Physics, Cosmology, Astronomy, Paleontology, History of religion, monotheism down to Christianity, the history of the bible itself, synonptic gospels, the cannonisation, lost scrolls, the endless discrepancies in the supposed inspired written work of an all powerful being. There's only one reasonable conclusion. Questionable have been turned into unshakeable truth by the passage of time.
If you believe every word of the bible is from your supreme being then I'm not sure we can have a rational discussion

davidylan:
Care to explain what you mean by "enlightenment"? Enlightened on what? We can start from there.

So you don't understand my views, but you assume I'm ignorant. Typical.
Enlightenment on all aspects. The part that might concern you the most would be that the bible is really just a fictional compilation

davidylan:
You'd be surprised how ignorant you truly are when you go beyond the superficial understanding you claim to have.

Care to elaborate? I'm always willing to learn

starlingslimnet:
No man can justify God by words only God can justify himself to individuals.

Has it ever occurred to you why you are much concerned about someone you don't believe exist or have no use to you and for you?

Because it was drilled into me from birth. At home, School, sunday school. Endless cycle of brain washing. Yeah and there's the little fact that I live in a society dominated by religous based ideologies.
I believe religion does more harm than good for humanity. That's why I've decided not to ignore it. The atrocities commited in the name of your Gods are unspeakable. I've lived a lot better since I had no devils to blame for immoral, inhumane and irrational actions

starlingslimnet:
If that is the case why bother yourself about it? Oo it's that same eternal conviction in every human soul about reunification with God his Creator... the same thing that keeps drawing man back to Eden.

I'm not bothered. Indoctrination led me to think along those lines. Enlightenment and reason has explained it's all fiction. Obviously, your mind is still trapped.
I can't conceive a God that rewards, punishes his creatures for their actions, which he claims to already know before they occur, but also insists they have free will.

starlingslimnet:
There is only one God of gods; the Creator of the universe. His name is Yahweh if you reject him you accept Satan your archenemy.

How do I reject/accept that which does not exist? You are living someone else's fantasy.

johnydon22:
Lets start with "How life began

Earliest form of microscopic life on earth dates back 3.5 billions years. Specific Chemical and Boilogical evolution that led to this are still being investigated.

starlingslimnet:
If you reject God you accept Satan.. no corner around it bro

You mean if I reject YOUR God? Because I believe in one less God than you do. We are both unbelievers to the 100,000 other Gods. By your logic, you've accepted 100,000 satans

johnydon22:
You said you now know where we came from. . Just give me a little of the details not list out science disciplines for me

Okay I need you to be specific. Are you talking origin of the human form as we currently exist? Origin of life on earth? Formation of earth? Formation of our sun? Formation of our galaxy? Origin of atoms/elements? The "big bang"?

Xetima:
[size=18pt]Time is short. When are you going to give your life to Jesus?[/size]

Please, seize this opportunity and say this little prayer:

"Dear Lord Jesus, I acknowledge that I am a sinner. I acknowledge you as my Lord and personal Saviour and that you died for my sins. Please, Lord, forgive me of all my iniquities and write my name in your Book of life. From today, I accept you as my Lord and denounce any relationship with Satan and his agents. Thank you Jesus for saving my soul. In Jesus name I prayed."

Now if you said this prayer, you are born again and you know what, there is rejoicing in Heaven right now for your sake.
Next step, find a Bible believing Church around you (RCCG, Deeper Life, TREM, MFM, Christ Apostolic church, ECWA) and become baptised by IMMERSION. You life is already anew.

But what if I'm not a "sinner"? What if I have no relationship with Satan and his/her agents?
What if I just feel Christianity is a scam and all reason and logic reveals that the bible is a fictional book?

johnydon22:
Hhmmm the bolded caught my interest, i am actually imagining how you got to know, knowing surely you weren't there. .

I would love to hear the thrilling details bro. . tell me!

Science; Archeology, Paleontology, Physics, Cosmology, Astronomy. Too much to fit into these boxes. But there's enough information out there if you're truly interested. Educate yourself.

1. My God is the one true God
2. My heaven/hell is the only true after life. If you don't believe in my God, you're deifinitely going to my hell
3. I don't care if you live a moral and just life, you're still going to my hell if you don't BELIEVE.
4. The rapist murderer never up to any good? He's better than you. He BELIEVES. He is saved.
5. Science is bad for you. It'll teach you that the bible is mythical, the universe is billions of years old, it'll encourage you to reason logically which is bad for your faith. Science is doing more harm than good to humanity. *Sent from my iPad through the internet (God's creations of course)*

OLAADEGBU:
You have at least proved all the posters above to be wrong. How did you know that the earth is 4.7 billion years old, where you there?

Even with experiments there should be observations. Those of you who believe in evolution and that billions of years ago (when there was nobody there to observe) that the universe came into existence by a big bang. Then billions of years ago (when there was nobody there to see) that the earth came into existence. Then billions of years ago (when there was nil people there as witnesses) that life formed on earth. Then millions of years ago (still no one there to observe) animals began changing into other animals. Then 2 million years ago (still no one about) an animal like an ape began to change into a human being. Is that not your story? Was there anyone around to observe when your concepts took place?

Contrariwise, the Bible, God's word, though written by holy men of God, informs us that God was there and He has given us an eyewitness account of exactly how long the universe and the earth was created. It boils down to faith, you believe in blind faith while Christians believe in biblical faith. You believe in faulty human beings who doesn't know everything as we have seen folks getting it wrong above while we Christians, believe and trust God who knows everything and who has always been there.

Lol "Blind faith vs "Biblical Faith"

The bible is a story book. Faith is believing in the absence of proof. Science doesn't do "faith". The numbers are gotten from tests, calculations from theoretical physics, astronomy, archeology. Different disciplines of science leading to the same conclusion.

Here's a fun exercise. Read Gen 1 & Gen 2. Notice some contradictions in the order of creation? That's because the book, like many in the old testament (or Jewish bible as I prefer to call it) is an untidy collection from different authors. If a supreme being gives out a book to explain it all, why so many contradictions?

It's funny how Christians ignore, discard or highlight verses in the bible as it suits them. The God of the christian bible is a vile being. Child killer, woman raper, misogynistic, narcissistic apologist.

"I am the all powerful God in control of everything that happens on earth. Except for bad stuff, that's the work of that lucifer guy. Yeah, and human actions, you guys have free will too"
Well, doesn't that make you not REALLY in control?
"DON'T QUESTION ME!!!"

Brought up in a Christian home, it's been a long and difficult road to freedom from indoctrination.

I've finally found a reasonable explanation to the question of where we came from and how it all started.
The ignorance of man created religion, the intelligence of man is calculated to destroy it.

The awful part is, it seems like while the rest of the world is getting cured of this illness, Nigerians are drowning deeper in their reformed model of Christianity