It's laughable when every religion starts arguing about who is serving the TRUE GOD.
Suggestion: Maybe you're all wrong?

GlorifiedTunde:


Ok.

My ways are not your ways man.

I decide how I reason.

Good luck to you!

Your ways are not your ways either. You are living someone else's made up fantasy

Hey, are you sorted on this issue?

GlorifiedTunde:


Oh! Now I get!

I picked the wrong person to reason with. Ciao!

Lol if you could actually "reason", maybe you might not choose to live your life by the words of prehistoric herdsmen

GlorifiedTunde:


Not every clear conscience is pure.

An assassin's conscience is clear to himself but not pure.


Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Follow the Bible to the letter!

Following that fictional book to the letter will lead you nowhere. If choose to live your life by the words of one book, the least you can do is first find out where it came from

GlorifiedTunde:


Who is ignorant? I who read and know my Bible or you?

Which is the first marriage in the Bible?

Why did God not make more than one for Adam?

Why didn't God get two women from.his ribs?

God didn't know.better abi?

The polygamy era was the old testament - the era of the LAW!

There were too many things wrong with the Law. And that's why Jesus came - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law ...

And who says Jesus did not speak on marriage

Ignorance is trully bliss

Lomg story short, the bible is a storybook. Fictional work. If you were curious enough, you'll realize that by now

GlorifiedTunde:


Who is ignorant? I who read and know my Bible or you?

Which is the first marriage in the Bible?

Why did God not make more than one for Adam?

Why didn't God get two women from.his ribs?

God didn't know.better abi?

The polygamy era was the old testament - the era of the LAW!

There were too many things wrong with the Law. And that's why Jesus came - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law ...

And who says Jesus did not speak on marriage

Ignorance is trully bliss

So the old testament is wrong? All of it? Or just the part about polygamy being okay? I thought the whole bible was God's written word?
Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.  (Matthew 5:17-18)"

But what if "biblical truth" is all a lie?

Keep your decision on bedroom issues between you and your spouse. Sex is not the beginning and end of a relationship but it is vital. Talk about the situation and lay out your impressions and worries to your significant other. Whatever resolution you both arrive at, trust me your clear conscience while you're at it will assure you that you're sinning against no man or God.

GlorifiedTunde:


Why do you call it spiritual sentiments?

Who is the originator of marriage? Is it not God?

How come every time people discuss the Bible when it comes to marriage and relationship, everyone starts complaining?

The originator of life and marriage gave us a manual - the Bible. And you prefer to profer solutions with your brain?

No wonder many marriages are a SHAM! No one consults the right manual - The Bible again

Origin of marriage is what? Lol. Ignorance is bliss.
The bible is well known for it's tolerance of polygamy. Even Jesus Christ has no quotes attributed to him about the issue despite living in a time when it was rampant.
Monogamy, or the marriage you speak of is primarily a Roman ideology, not Christian.
So if you want to discuss your God's idea of marriage, don't forget to add the extra wives and concubines.

I wonder if Christians are embarassed by their God's lack of astronomical knowledge anytime "the light of the moon" is mentioned in the bible

sonmvayina:


it happened my dear..and only one family survived.

And they commited incest and God was okay with that?

I was indoctrinated into the catholic faith from birth.
But I've lost my faith, and found reason.
I hope one day you all break free from the mental shackle that is organised religion

"I'm lonely, Let me create angels to praise me and adore me"
"One angel revolted against me? Shit. Well, I'll send him to a really awful burning place. Shouldn't I kill him, so all the evil dies with him? No, what's the fun in that?"
"Still bored, let me create a different realm and put creatures there that can praise me some more!
Meanwhile, that revolted angel has free passage into this realm and can try to take companions for himself too. Seems fair enough.
These new creatures will live and die, then come and be judged by me.
The ones that didn't believe I exist or didn't praise me well enough will burn forever. (Well, till I get bored again)"

Would have expected the 'mammywater' to disguise herself better than to appear at a lagoon front.
How OBVIOUS.

"I do not pray. I accept the means at my disposal for working out my destiny. It seems to me that I have been given a mind and willpower for that very purpose. I do not expect God to single me out and grant me advantages over my fellow men. Prayer seems to me a cry of weakness, and an attempt to avoid, by trickery, the rules of the game as laid down. I do not choose to admit weakness. I accept the challenge of responsibility."

erusen:
so you see my point right , I came across something on line concerning evolution theory constantly being rebranded daily I mean its not sure

No, I don't see your point. Understand the theory first

erusen:
what was the experiment it sounds like a story to me.long after am gone man I can't buy that crap see I love science more than this country and I know the basics it is observation and experiment neither I have seen in this theory

1. I'm struggling with your grammar
2. This sounds like a classic case of bashing a theory you don't understand.

Let's try a different method; Understand the theory first, if you think it's wrong afterwards, explain why in details. If your argument can hold any water, I promise you worldwide fame.

KingEbukasBlog:


No no ! This is not proof of evolution , it just proved that I was right on that thread . The DNA and genetic composition of those animals (fossils) were used as some sort of blueprint in the creation of the new inhabitants of earth during its restoration . That could be what He did but its been mistaken for an evidence of evolution . Oh no !

Natural selection does not link to evolution . Creatures are designed by God to adapt and this characteristic has been mistaken as proof for evolution .


Atheist scientists are pushing so hard to provide "facts" for evolution thus denying creation .

1 Timothy 4:1:





Not literal demons /spirits per se but "facts" like this that turn people's mind away from God or give them that impression that there is no God .


Why believe in evolution when there is no proof that life came from inorganic matter , from which it evolved from ? Shaky/Sandy foundation (abiogenesis) but solid building (evolution ) .

But hear ye the word of God which I can never refrain from telling thee :

Matthew 7:24-27



People like me who believe God (solid/strong foundation and building ) is the creator of life will surely have the last laugh , at the great fall of the theory of evolution .

#LoudThought

There's no point discussing science with you, so let's start with the appropriate level of ignorance.

The bible, the word of God you say? Have ever wondered where this book came from?

erusen:
was evolution experimented

Good question. Yes, it has been, is still being and will continue to be experimented long after you're gone

trustman:
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You have clearly shown the level of your knowledge of the things you speak about. 

Again, note this: fossil can be a trace of past existence but that a thing existed in the past does not amount to knowing how it came from a lower, simpler form to a more complex form or to the state the fossil shows. In other words, fossil DOES NOT prove evolution.

Telling when or how a creature lived DOES NOT amount to a PROOF of their evolution. Mutation does not necessarily amount to evolution. 

But more importantly, to the extent that you have not been able to PERSONALLY investigate these things but have had to rely on others' analysis, experimentations, deductions, etc. you are still exercising 'faith'. 
 
Evolution is not an exact science. I hope you know what that means. Therefore to accept is as gospel truth means you're relying not on rational or empirical system of thinking but on a non-empirical one. You're then not really different from those who believe in creationism. 

Now, you're just arguing for the sake of it. Either that or your lack of understanding of science is deeper than first feared.

Creationism? Really? On what basis could anyone believe in that? There's no single rational evidence or proof to support that claim.

The day you choose to start thinking rationally, explore the science of paleontology.

trustman:

Listing Fossil evidence, DNA, Genetic commonalities doesn't prove anything. Fossil evidence can show that the thing in question existed but that a thing existed is very different from HOW it 'evolved'. 

So, let me ask you again: What 'rational evidence' in fossil documentation made you 'accept' other peoples' statements about it? 

Fossil evidence; dating, analysis of location, surrounding rocks etc can tell when, how dead creatures lived. Of course it proves they evolved. The timeline of their evolutionary existence, showing slow organ mutation into different forms, shapes etc fit accurately. Natural selection and evolution is STILL being observed in LIVING organisms today. DNA and genetic analysis of creatures predicted to have evolved from common ancestors confirm this theory beyond reasonable doubt.

I'm unsure if your questions are honest or a desperate attempt at pedantry, but these things are out there if you're really curious.

trustman:
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You've gone the same way again - vague and ambiguous. 

I ask again: what is the proof of evolution? What 'rational evidence' made you 'accept' other peoples' statements about it? 

A simple SPECIFIC sentence will do. You don't need to summarize all the 'knowledge' you have gleaned from your numerous sources. 

Fossil evidence, DNA, Genetic commonalities

KingEbukasBlog:


I see a contradiction , but do you see it ?

Where exactly in the bible are all these claims you made written ?




There are close to 5, 000 Religions in the world . Did you create the other 95,000 ?



You are really good at exaggerating . LOL



An assertion - no proof , just an assumption . Apparently you said this to give the irreligious people the 'we are smarter than Christians' impression .

Check out the top 20 richest people and 20 people with the highest IQs in the world . How many are religious and how many are not ( have fun with that )



Hosea 4:6



Proverbs 4:7




These verses just killed off whatever insinuations you made

Lol. And he quotes more storybook verses to prove the authencity of the storybook.
Maybe learn a little about Christian history? From Judaism to the ACTUAL origin of biblical books,the Canonization etc.
There's no point trying to have a rational conversation with someone that takes that book seriously

KingEbukasBlog:


1. Since man evolved from the ape ancestors - homo erectus - homo sapiens etc . Can you provide the ancestry line for other members of primates - monkeys , gorillas etc ?

2. Without similarity and presence of fossils , is/are there another convincing evidence(s) for evolution ?

3. Do you think there is another way to relate fossils and modern animals apart from evolution ?

Those are very good questions and a step in the right direction, if they are honest curiosities. Understanding Darwin's theory will explain them perfectly.
If you're truly curious, you can pick up any ALevel Bioology textbook. Or better still, the internet is your very informed friend.
I really don't want to post links because there's fun in finding things out for yourself.

KingEbukasBlog:


1. Since man evolved from the ape ancestors - homo erectus - homo sapiens etc . Can you provide the ancestry line for other members of primates - monkeys , gorillas etc ?

2. Without similarity and presence of fossils , is/are there another convincing evidence(s) for evolution ?

3. Do you think there is another way to relate fossils and modern animals apart from evolution ?

DNA

trustman:
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You said it yourself that Biology wasn't one of the subjects you studied. So maybe then you'll not be able to understand the context in which I used my words. 

I don't see what gravity has to do with 'jumping out of building'. Certainly one can prove gravity without that; can't we? On the other hand, what is the proof of evolution?

Unfortunately you are not able to clearly explain your statements. They are for most part either vague or ambiguous. 

If your belief in 'vastness of the cosmos' is not baseless and empty then tell me on what basis you accepted it - on your 'faith' in what some other persons presented to you as 'facts' or on the basis of your own empirical ( self-experimented) evidence? 
Clear answer please, and no need for insult or pun. 

Remember you said:
 "I prefer rational thinking, logical reasoning based on evidence."
Whose evidence? The ones you worked out yourself or the ones others claimed and you accepted by 'faith'?

Faith, you say? Based on other people's EVIDENCE? I agree and I'll explain why this isn't blind 'faith'.

You see, science works because with sufficient funding for research, you can test ANYTHING you wish to verify or disprove. Something you might not know is that once a Scientific Theory is disproven by ONE SINGLE EXPERIMENT, it is SCRAPPED. That's millions of scientists worldwide researching, making observations and calculations daily, testing and applying thousands of laws and theories. You know, as opposed to one man writing some verses, another claiming these words are inspired by a supreme being, then forcing everyone to take it as law. No evidence, no proof, Nothing.

Not studying Biology doesn't mean I have no knowledge of Darwin's great contribution to science. We're talking of a theory accepted by Biologists, Archeologist, Paleontologists. Strengthened by every new fossil discovery and DNA analysis, even though the technology wasn't close to being discovered when he made his work public.

If you want 'proof of evolution', you might want to understand it first. Read a book

CaptainJune:


"In our current form". Do you care to shed more light on that expression?

The current human anatomical structure. You can find more answers if you do a little research. Knowledge is power

CaptainJune:


The earth is not 6000 years old. However, Man's existence on earth is 6000 years plus now. That is a fact.



Let me ask, when the Devil was kicked out of heaven along with his angels, when did that happen, before the creation of Adam or after? The answer to this question will enable one to fully understand Genesis chapter 1:1 and 2.




I can understand the unwillingness of many to accept this fact but if they open their minds they will understand that this earth is much older than Man.

You can't form random opinions and tag them with 'Fact'. Humans, in our current form have existed for more than 100,000 years.

davidylan:


I did. I spent 5 years earning a phd in molecular biology, which promptly dispelled the silly myth that science had the answers to life and the origin of man. But of course... be my guest explaining that to us.

Science hasn't explained it yet, so they must be wrong about everything. I see your argument. It makes sense.

Thankfully, Scientists braver than yourself never stopped looking for answers when they hit stumbling blocks while trying to understand concepts, otherwise we'd still attribute smallpox and viral infections to your angry God and his demons.

trustman:
I agree with Davidylan that the bible actually supports an older earth. 

An older earth does not necessary mean agreement with evolution. 

Chizzled06 is your REALITY in the 'vastness of the cosmos' or on earth? Evolution has NO rational explanation to the existence of life forms on earth.
Evolution is ONLY an attempt to 'rationally' explain observed order on earth. 

I want to believe that you are sure that at best evolution is a theory and nothing more. You must know what a 'theory' in this context means. That must be why you mentioned that:
"Biological science hasn't (yet) concluded on the definitive process of the origin of living matter on earth"

It (evolution) is, along with 'intelligence of mankind', more of 'ridiculous nonsense' than a belief in an intelligent creator for earth and the universe. 

Lol The "Evolution is just a theory" brigade. Well, so is gravity and I don't see you jumping out of buildings.

You clearly don't understand the scientific method. Scientist's 'Theory' and your everyday use of the word are unfortunately NOT the same.

Your belief in a God is baseless and empty. Born of fear of the unknown. Nurtured by organised religion and indoctrination. Think for yourself, my friend. I hope you eventually break free.

KingEbukasBlog:


Pfft !!! Im 100 %percent sure and its very obvious that you know nothing about lost scrolls and early christian versions of the bible .



Dumb statement again . Ive experienced many instant miracles . Yes ... me ... myself . But please I need a logical explanation for that aside from the usual "supernatural intervention " aka God's power

And again

1. A widely accepted theory -The Big Fraud Theory- denies the First Cause ( an evidence of an always supernatural being )


2. Life coming forth from inorganic matter / non living . Evidently this requires supernatural intervention to become possible .



This confirms the scripture - written by "primitive men " :

1 Timothy 4:1 :







But Lo and behold God does not need to impress you with "rational " actions and decisions . He would have done it any other "rational " way
1 Corinthians 1:27






This is what happens when people misinterpret the roles of Science and Religion in life . The study of nature - science - and its application - technology - are acknowledged even in the bible .



About what exactly . He's a scientist . The last time I checked atheism is simply the unbelief in the existence of God/gods . Dumb idiots can choose to disbelieve in God/gods .

Is his belief in an almighty creator now a yard·stick to attest to his level of knowledge or intelligence ?

Statistically , America and Germany have an average of 75 percent of their total population who identify themselves as religious . From your way of reasoning - close to 360 million people should open their minds and educate themselves just because they are religious .

Analytically , there is a highly probability that these people are better educated than you are ! (That's the fun part )

Lol I struggle when I try to take someone who quotes biblical verses in a rational discussion seriously.
It's funny how Christians choose to ignore the vile, woman raping, child killing, mysogystic, apologetic portrayals of your God in your holy book.
Really, you know about the lost scrolls and discrepancies in the early christian versions of biblical books? That's a good start. If you study biblical and christian history from a neutral perspective, I assure you you'll find it as ridiculous as the 100,000 other world religions.

That percentage of believers only applies to America, and that figure is rapidly decreasing. Less than half of German population, like their Western European counterparts currently believe there's a God. Those figures are incredibly crunched down when you count those that believe the bible is truly God's written message to mankind.

Even more revealing, more than 90% of scientists (the smartest people on earth) are agnostic or atheist. Again, when you break free from indoctrination and start to think for yourself, there's always only one reasonable conclusion when you analyze any of the world's current religions.

Your profound argument still remains: "Since science hasn't (YET) found an explanation for THIS and THIS, then they are WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING."
If humans never left the "I can't explain it, then God did it" phase of our existence, it's scary to think how far behind we'd still be in terms of general standards of living