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|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 9:10pm On Jan 03, 2016|
He forgot to tell his Crusaders then, because they killed countless Jews and Orthodox Christians alike.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 9:06pm On Jan 03, 2016|
What exactly are you trying to say? The Inquisition never happened?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 9:04pm On Jan 03, 2016|
You need a course in History. Any time Christians conquered the Holy Land, they allowed only people of similar faith into the land. Only Muslims allowed Jews and people of other faith live with them. The Muslims eventually drove out the Crusaders. That's the reason any diversity exists there today.
You're blinded by your faith. These guys bleeped up big time in the name of Christ. The Pope has apologised profusely for it. "Never again", he said.
Move on and quit trying to defend atrocities.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:49am On Jan 01, 2016|
I'm struggling to find sense in what you're saying. They went there with the intention to kill people of other faith. And they did just that. Muslims, Jews, Orthodox Christians murdered. It was evil. Despicable.
If you're so certain the Crusades were "justified". Well guess what? The 'holy land' currently inhabited by Muslims and Jews. Why don't you gather your army and join in the crimes of people you're struggling so hard to defend.
You're no different from "holy war" jihadists - Emancipation of the darkness of religious delusion in its worst form.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 2:37pm On Dec 31, 2015|
1. I don't believe in "creation" like your bible tells it. Evolution is true, whether you choose to believe it or not.
2. Your God is your God. And exists inside your head alone.
3. I've lived a lot better since I stopped blaming 'demons and evil spirits' for my misdeeds.
4. If you truly want to learn about if humans are born as evil beings in need of moral or religious guidance, as opposed to naturally ethical creatures corrupted by society; Then I suggest you take up a course in the Philosophy of human nature.
5. I imagine you're African. Has it occurred to you that your ancestors were living in relative harmony before the white man brought this his God along with colonialism?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 1:10pm On Dec 31, 2015|
Maybe you're right. Maybe I have a slight inclination towards targeting Christianity more than any other mindless religion.
But that's because I was born into Christianity, indoctrinated into the mental shackles until I learnt enough about the world to realize it was all bullshit. That's right. I used to be you. And I continue to be surrounded by people infected by this colonial mental illness.
But then, every man is entitled to his delusion. And so are you.
Just so you know, there's something inside you that tells you right from wrong, and allows you to feel empathy. It existed before religion, and will remain afterwards.
Even after I lost my faith and found reason, my conscience stayed. So labeling religious as good, and non religious as evil, is plain ignorance.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 12:55pm On Dec 31, 2015|
That went to liberate who from what please? The Christians' only concern was the piece of land. There was no-one forcefully under captivity that needed liberating.
You need a proper history class.
And you still haven't answered my question. What about the inquisitions? What's your "justification" for that?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 8:53am On Dec 31, 2015|
I swear you're funny.
Your God, out of the 3000 others, is the one true God. All others are made up ones, all trying to distract people from serving the only real God, your God.
I get it. But don't you think it's funny that people of other faith will say the exact same thing?
"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." Mark Twain.
It's easier to fool a man, than to convince him that he's been fooled.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 8:47am On Dec 31, 2015|
Okay. The Christian murders (INVADING A NATION AND KILLING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITH) are defensive, and hence okay but Muslim murders are barbaric. I get it.
But You didn't answer my question. What about the inquisitions? What's your "justification" for those killings?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 5:36am On Dec 31, 2015|
"Those are other Christians. Not my kind of Christianity. They are not real Christians"
Exactly what this post is about. I'm not blaming you for their crimes. Just putting things into context to make you understand things from a honest Muslim's perspective.
All religions are delusions. Including yours. Organised religion is manipulative and ultimately harmful in its worst form.
But hating a religion doesn't mean I should hate its followers. They are the real victims.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 6:54pm On Dec 30, 2015|
You are lost, my friend. No different from jihadists who view their killings as "holy war"
And what about the Inquisitions? How do you "justify" those murders?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:00pm On Dec 30, 2015|
What about the thousands of Jews and orthodox Christians killed during the Crusades? What's your deluded excuse for their murder?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 3:57pm On Dec 30, 2015|
You don't seem to understand that the crusaders killed Jews, and Christians from other sects during the Crusades. This wasn't just Christianity vs Islam. Please try to educate yourself.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:46am On Dec 30, 2015|
Well guess what? Christians are shooting people up NOW too!!
Most archaic religions with holy texts endorse violence. If you follow the bible word for word, you should be murdering all your neighbours with foreign beliefs. This was what "justified" the Crusades, Inquisitions and other crimes committed buy Christian fundamentalists till today.
Honestly, I'm at war with all organised religions alike; Christianity, Islam etc because they're all primarily delusional and can breed dangerous extremism.
Again the point of this post is you can disagree with a faith, but not blame all its followers for the acts of a few.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:38am On Dec 30, 2015|
Are you asking for a remedial history lesson, or is there a point you are trying to make?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:36am On Dec 30, 2015|
You underestimate the spirit of humanity.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:34am On Dec 30, 2015|
How you can term the invasion of a nation because of the significance of its land to your faith as "100% justifiable" is beyond me. You are no worse than any extremist murderer.
If you think your freedom today is indebted to crusader murders, you are lost. You need to take a course in human history, especially religion.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:27am On Dec 30, 2015|
1. I am not a Muslim
2. The inquisitions began in attempt to conquer sectarianism by the church. Christians killed Christians for proclamations against the Catholic doctrine. Anyone who claimed there was no God was burned at the stake. Hardly any mention of Islam.
3. You've clearly gotten your "facts" from some Christian extremist blogs. Read a book
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 12:13am On Dec 30, 2015|
So why did the Christian crusaders kill Jews during their invasions?
|Religion / Re: Y Did God Created Man??????????? by Chizzled06(m): 12:10am On Dec 30, 2015|
No matter how deep into Christianity you go, you'll always find varying, unclear answers to these your questions.
It may help to learn that a lot of these Christian teachings that you now hold as unshakeable truth were made up along the way. Try to do YOUR OWN research based on facts and develop YOUR OWN truth.
Live your life right and try to be at peace with your conscience. If you can't shake off your idea of a supreme creator, you can find refuge in the belief that you'll see him and ask all the questions you want at death.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 11:52pm On Dec 29, 2015|
Rescue? That smells of ignorance and bigotry.
The 'Holy Land' is a pilgrimage site for THREE religions. It belongs to its inhabitants, not some self righteous Christians from Rome.
Past or present, they are all barbaric.
Again, the point of this post is that you can't blame everyone involved in a religion for the crimes of a few mindless ones.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:49pm On Dec 29, 2015|
The biggest mistake religious people make is to think that without their faith, ethics and morals wouldn't exist.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:47pm On Dec 29, 2015|
If you view the crusades as 'just war', why do you think the Pope needed to apologize?
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:58pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Nobody is equating anything. They are all unethical and barbaric acts that deserve condemnation.
All I'm saying is don't blame all Muslims for the extremism of a relative minority. Especially if you're unwilling to accept blame for the bloodshed on the hands of the church.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:53pm On Dec 28, 2015|
The plague was blamed on Jews and sparked renewed antisemitic violence.
|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:23pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Really? Do you choose to be that ignorant?
And the Inquisitions too, I guess? An innocent ploy to rid threatened Christians nations of harmful unbelievers?
Even the Pope has apologised for these. You're in too deep, my friend
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|Religion / Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 3:11pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Innocent blood was shed in the pursuit of religion. Justifying killing people because of difference in ideology exudes lack of empathy.
Have a rethink, brother. Try to reexamine the historic facts from a neutral perspective, from the Crusades to the Inquisitions. These things are as clear as day.
No-one is blaming you for the crimes of past Christians, only asking that you don't blame other good Muslims for the extremism of the heartless few.
I'm not a fan of any religion, Christianity and Islam alike, but that doesn't curb my spirit of humanity towards Christians and Muslims.
|Religion / The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 1:25pm On Dec 28, 2015|
These days, the rampant extremism in Islam has given some Christians a new stick with which to beat Muslims.
Religion is personal, faith is dear to the one who holds it, and holding every Muslim accountable for the actions of a (relatively minor) sect is ignorant, especially if you're a Christian.
Christianity has a shady past. They don't teach you these things in Sunday school because it's shameful and embarrassing. This is a brief history lesson, so that Christians guilty of this ignorant finger-pointing can pause and reflect.
The Crusades were Christian wars against non-Christians, and even against Christians of a somewhat different persuasion, staged between 1095 and 1248. No educated Christian can ignore the shame that the Crusades have brought on the Christian church, especially in the eyes of Jews and Moslems. Modern evangelical churches sometimes use the word Crusade to describe an outreach program in their local area, overlooking the fact that Jews and Moslems associate the concept of a crusade as an attack of terror on their communities.
A brief history of the Crusades
... the conditions that led to their launch, and the consequences.
ca 1050 AD [/b]onwards
Resurgence of wealth in Europe after the Dark Ages led to new confidence in the Christian Empire.
The Emperor in Constantinople, capital of the eastern half of the Christian Empire, called for help in his campaigns against growing Moslem strength.
Pope Urban II in Rome called on Christians in Europe to join a crusade to liberate Jerusalem from the Moslems.
Crusaders marched in several armies towards the Holy Land. In cities across Europe they slaughtered defenceless Jews.
The first armies arrived at Constantinople and crossed the Bosphorus to attack the Turks. One of those armies, that of Peter the Hermit, was massacred.
Multitudes died, many of starvation, in the two-year march to Jerusalem.
Crusaders from Europe conquered Jerusalem, slaughtering Moslems, Jews and eastern Orthodox Christians alike.
Crusader states were established in the Holy Land.
Period of building the great Gothic cathedrals in Europe – dedicated mostly to the virgin Mary, and some to saints, being places where relics of these people were stored. Pilgrimages to such shrines were thought to bring power for answers to prayer.
The cathedrals were the most visible display of the “church triumphant.”
Second Crusade – a failure.
Moslems led by Saladin reconquered Jerusalem.
Third Crusade – a failure.
Fourth Crusade – Latin Christians from Europe, and an army financed by Venetian merchants, conquered the eastern Orthodox centre of Constantinople, killing “fellow Christians” and taking the treasures of Byzantium to palaces in Europe.
Although the armies of Rome withdrew some decades later, allowing the Orthodox Christians to re-settle Constantinople, the eastern half of the Christian Empire was so weakened that it easily fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453.
The city was renamed Istanbul.
To this day the country of Turkey represents the major boundary between Europe and the Moslem domination of the Middle East.
Albigensian Crusade in Europe.
Heresy took hold in southern France and, through military conquest, Rome forced its exclusive right to interpret and deliver doctrine.
Fifth Crusade to “save” the Holy Land – a failure.
Sixth Crusade – a failure.
Start of the Inquisition – the church’s attempt to enforce doctrinal orthodoxy throughout Christendom.
Seventh Crusade – a failure.
Pope Innocent IV sanctioned the use of torture to extract truth from suspects brought before the Inquisitors.
Black death – bubonic plague killed one-third of the population of Europe.
Pope John Paul II admitted the sins of the Catholic Church going back to the Crusades and the Inquisition and, in a sermon that was broadcast live to the world, asked for forgiveness.
“Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.” - Barack Obama, February 2015
Now, if you research the numbers, Christianity has shed more blood in the name of its God than any other religion can ever dream of.
Faith is personal. Everyone has a conscience. Good people will be good people, regardless of where their faith lies.
|Religion / Re: Scientist Gerald Schroeder Demonstrates That God Has Been Proved By Science. by Chizzled06(m): 5:57am On Dec 26, 2015|
Exactly. I did the same for the bible, and found out it was all balderdash.
|Religion / Re: Scientist Gerald Schroeder Demonstrates That God Has Been Proved By Science. by Chizzled06(m): 12:13pm On Dec 25, 2015|
Okay, it seems you're lost in a pool of your own ignorance already. Let me make this easier for you with a list of the most popular options. Which of these bibles do you refer to?
-The Orthodox Bible,
-The Catholic Bible or
-The Protestant Bible
|Religion / Re: Scientist Gerald Schroeder Demonstrates That God Has Been Proved By Science. by Chizzled06(m): 9:56pm On Dec 24, 2015|
You're beating around the bush. There is no single canonical "Bible": many Bibles have evolved, with overlapping and diverging contents. Different Christian denominations have different bibles.Please, Which are you referring to, so that we can move on?
|Religion / Re: Scientist Gerald Schroeder Demonstrates That God Has Been Proved By Science. by Chizzled06(m): 8:16pm On Dec 24, 2015|
But there are different Christian bibles. The bible of which sect do you refer to?
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