Improve on yourself as a human being. Take courses/read about marriage and all its troubles.
Look for a reasonable man that shares your fundamental ideas of marriage and how a home should work.
Your future is in your hands, waiting for dubious readers of God's mind to point out a divine prince will only drain your pocket and leave you heartbroken

Virginity counts for nothing for me. It's all about the mindset.

I know girls that have had oral, anal sex with multiple men but refuse to have vaginal sex so as to keep the 'virgin' tag.

After you knack your 'virgin' wife, what makes you think you'll be the last?

Ignorance is bliss.
Have you ever wondered why you only hear these stories amongst uneducated Africans?

"I do not pray.
I accept the means at my disposal for working out my destiny.
It seems to me that I have been given a mind and willpower for that very purpose. I do not expect God to single me out and grant me advantages over my fellow men.
Prayer seems to me a cry of weakness, and an attempt to avoid, by trickery, the rules of the game as laid down.
I do not choose to admit weakness.
I accept the challenge of responsibility."

Toks2008:


They cant be lies

Lol you might want to actually learn about the history of the bible. Its authorship, discrepancies, canonization, lost scrolls etc.
If your convictions remain, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

italo:


Let me use this medium to cure your ignorance a little more.

The man who invented Wireless Telegraphy which paved the way for the communication system we are using now is: Catholic Priest, Fr Jozef Murgas and his most important "findings" were that God, the Church and the Bible are true.

Will you still believe his findings or will you now jump ship like a typical scatter-brained Atheist?

Finally, you make actual statements, shedding the light on your unquestionable ignorance.

Firstly, The priest you mention had no contribution WHATSOEVER to "wireless telegraphy". We have Hertz & Marconi as the principal innovators to thank for that. The dishonest extent you're going to strengthen your propaganda is baffling.

Next, a fundamental component of current internet communication is the contribution of satellites in orbit. Developed based on principles conceived by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky and other physicists who have no regard whatsoever for your vain God.

I reiterate, the day you choose to begin to think for yourself will be the day you start to truly live.
My work here is done.

Live your life to the fullest whilst satisfying your conscience and take everything in your stride.
Trying to rely on stone-age ideas of a supreme being observing, rewarding and punishing his creatures will only lead you to discontent and heartbreak

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Faith: (noun) Strong believe in God or religous doctrine based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
It's truly difficult to try to reason with someone clearly bound by the mental shackles of this brand of ignorance.

So in a nutshell, you've admitted the bible isn't 100% truth. There's a start.

Juxtaposing testable, constantly scrutinized scientific theories based on facts/ evidence with the 'Take my word for it' efforts of the church? Seriously?

If you 'understood' science, you wouldn't compare the convictions and accuracy of modern science with the works of Aristotle & the 16th century breakthrough efforts of Galileo.


As I mentioned earlier, you seem to enjoy arguing blindly. Sadly, more so than reasoning rationally.

Pardon me if you're upset that I prefer to believe the findings of the people who made communication via this medium possible, as opposed to a bunch of books selected from Jewish and Roman folklore.

italo:


I've not even claimed that God exists or that I'm a Christian and you're telling me 'my God is dead' and that I'm indoctrinated. That is irrational thinking.

What if I'm just an Agnostic seeking good answers from you to make up my mind on whether God exists or not?

My friend, you seem even more indoctrinated than Christians.

You've been indoctrinated that God doesn't exist...the Bible is mythical...faith is empty...christian ideology is based on the bible...

...and you can't prove these things.

You've even been so indoctrinated that you expect everyone to believe you without evidence.

You also falsely believe that anyone who asks you to prove your claim is an indoctrinated Christian.

Go and ask Epicurus and others who indoctrinated you for answers...then come back.

You're still a baby...we've consistently humbled your fathers on this platform.

Now you're confused and disillusioned. Refusing to admit to what you believe in, just to argue out your ignorant point.

My "claims" have been proven by 500 years of science and free thinking. Physicists, Biologists, Archeologists, Paleontologists and Cosmologists all arriving at tested and proven conclusions about the origin of the universe and the history of mankind. A long way off the accounts of prehistoric herdsmen who typically thought the moon was a source of light and the earth was at the centre of the universe.

The bitter truth is that this is not up for argument as facts will always remain facts, and fiction, for example Christianity, will always remain fiction.

You can choose to ignore the truth and cling onto the false dreams the white men sold your fathers, or learn to think for yourself and see things as they really are.

italo:


I thought you knew your onions but you failed at the first hurdle.

You claimed to have found logical thinking but you're not thinking logically.

That is why you avoided my questions.

1. You claimed faith is empty by definition but failed to tell us 'whose definition.'

2. You claim the bible is mythical...without proof.

3. You claimed that Christian ideology is based on the bible. Then you refused to answer whether you're aware that Christianity existed before the NT or not.

4. You claimed that God doesn't exist. You failed to prove your claim.

It seems like you're a baby wannabe Atheist who is looking for christians to practise your shooting skills on. You think it makes you smart...but your failure to even answer those simple questions expose how dumb and uninformed you are.

I advise you to run off before you expose your mental deficiency a lot more.

If you couldn't find the answers to your questions in my post then you're way too thick to be worth trying to reason with.
You're so far deep into indoctrination that you can't have a rational conversation and use your brain the process.

Your God is dead.
And that is a metaphor, the only real aspect of that statement is death.

dmandy:


I have a little problem with people who attack other peoples beliefs. I see it as a mark of insecurity or a stunt to feel relevant. I don't have anything against you or your new found 'reason'. Good, just don't offend people.

My anger with you is that you saw clearly the topic of the thread, and you rushed in to make a fool of everyone here. If you have a problem with faith or religion or Nigerian youth, why don't you open a thread?

@Bold, That is what Catholic church preaches against everyday and every night. Your faith or 'your reason as you call it' should be expressed in your actions.

@italics, the growth of disorganized religion is proportional to the spread of evil.

Thanks, but I suggest you leave the thread. Be a gentle man or gentle woman.

That you take 'offence' in someone questioning your belief highlights your insecurity.

The fact that you think belief in Your God & your way of 'serving' him and Morality in Society are mutually inclusive is a typical example of ignorance about the way of life of 'unbelievers' or rational thinkers.

Yes, I clearly saw the topic of the trend and proceeded to highlight my views that your belief is, quite frankly, rubbish. You have a right to believe whatever you choose to, but I'm also entitled to question it, especially when you make it public business.

Getting angry might seem like the last resort when you have nothing constructive to say, but I advice you to calm down, try to understand my views and enlighten me if there's something you think I don't already know.

I hope one day you eventually start to think for yourself and see religion for what it truly is.

italo:


Mr 'logical thinking,' By whose definition?


1. Prove your claim that the books of the bible are mythical. Or do you want us to have empty belief in what you say?

2. Are you aware that Christianity existed before the New Testament was ever written, Mr 'Logical Thinking?'


In other words, you can't prove your claim that God doesn't exist. You just have an empty belief that there is no God, right?


Now, is that "logical thinking?"

I can't respond to Epicurus who is not here to defend himself.

I will respond to the above if you claim you have the same thoughts as the author. Do you?

Thoughts similar to Epicurus' initially sprung up at about the age of 6, the foundations of my eventual disbelief.
The conception of an all powerful, 'good' God doesn't quite add up when you access the daily happenings in our world.

I'm aware of the history of Christianity; the varying 'gospel accounts' circulating amongst early Christians, the lost scrolls, synoptic gospels, the cannonization involving the selection of books you currently know as the biblical testaments.

If a God really wanted to pass a sacred text unto his creatures, then did quite a hatchet job of it. The old testament, or Jewish Toral as I prefer to call it, is a collection of Jewish folklore. An awful patched up work of various authors typically exemplified in Genesis 1&2; two varying accounts of the creation story. Why so many discrepancies? and quite frankly, untrue messages about our world, that only reflect the perception and understanding of the universe by prehistoric herdsmen.

Asking me to prove the non existence of Your God is quite a humbling request, considering there are also 100,000 other Gods that need disproving, if we start heading down that road. You can't 'prove' the non existence of something imaginary.

italo:


Let us test your proposal a little.

You talk about "logical thinking" and "truth."

Can you prove that my faith in God is empty?

Can you prove that Christian ideology is baseless?

Can you prove that God is not real?

'Faith' is empty, because by definition is belief without proof or evidence.
Current Christian ideology is based on the words of the bible, which happens to be a collection of mythical books.

Asking me to prove that God is not real is like a kid asking you to prove that his imaginary friend doesn't exist.
Nevertheless, I'll leave you with this quote from Epicurus;

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

italo:


Bro, what is this "reason" you found?

Logical thinking. Truth. Instead of empty faith in baseless ideologies.

dmandy:


Sir,

It is you who judged...read your post.



Be that as it may, what do you seek here? Seems to me that you are insecure where you are now. You can still come back....The Holy Church is welcoming.

On the contrary, I'm as secure as I've ever been.

Faith is empty belief, without proof or evidence. Reason, or logical thinking is the exact opposite.

I live in a country where religious bigotry has become the order of the day.
Young people are being convinced that all they need to do in life is 'believe' and all other actions are immaterial.
People in power are constantly using 'dark forces' as seemingly valid excuses for their failure to perform at various levels.
People are being coached to 'pray away' their illnesses, problems and financial issues.
And religious institutions have maintained their ways of turning humans against each other in constant disputes over who is serving the one true God in the right way.

Religion and belief has been embeded into Nigerian society to the extent that you can't ignore it, even if you tried. All for the sake of imaginary Gods and holy books that have no reasonable foundations, born from the ignorance of humanity while trying to explain things that weren't understood thousands of years ago.

I'm here to let everyone who has started having doubts know that there's life outside the walls of religious institutions. And to make people like you understand that organised religion is a scam that is ultimately more harmful than beneficial to humanity.

dmandy:


Okay... u believe in love, charity, hope and others. We all do. Now go and preach that to people who don't.

You judge people based on whether they believe in your God or not.
You don't tolerate any idea that is not 'biblical' even though you don't know the origin of biblical books (if you did you wouldnt take it serious).
And then there's childhood indoctrination; the only reason christianity is still alive today. Why feed children with this mythical stuff when they can barely think for themselves?

dmandy:


okay.... and you came to preach your unbelief here.

So what do you actually believe in now?

Unfortunately, not everyone who doesn't believe in your God has sworn allegiance to 'Satan' or any other deity.
I believe in love, peace, charity, tolerance.
I decided not to stay quiet about my current views because I feel religion does more harm than good for humanity. The atrocities committed daily in the name of your Gods are unspeakable.
I've also realized almost all Christians(like most other religions) only know as much about their faith as indoctrination took them. It's no coincidence that most of those who look further, usually end up full of doubt.

Since the church lost it's power to prosecute people for heresy, 'unbelief' has spread, as reason and rational thinking is becoming the order of the day.

Humanity's fear of the unknown created the gods, the intelligence of humanity is calculated to destroy them.

dmandy:


Is that what you came here to say?

You left the shackles of organised religion to the shatters of disorganized religion. Thats why they make you eat grass and drink petrol. Better look for ur faith where u lost it o!

You don't get it.
I don't believe in any of your imaginary Gods.
The ignorance of mankind invented religion.

lepasharon:


Yes I am thanks

Jasperwhizz:
self servicing is a sin Rnman 1:26. it is contrary to nature.

Actually, it is as 'natural' as most things you do. Even animals have been observed masturbating

Increasing in number of muslims is directly from immigration.
Christians are becoming atheists, not muslims. The people that brought your God to you don't believe in him anymore

sonmvayina:


No, you are the one not understanding my point..in the original story, there was 3 accounts of creation. the third one happened after the flood

Says who? You? The official interpreter of God's word?

altamaurice:
dude am not talking about "Inferiority"...moreover as long as you have identified one or two things and no matter how hard you trivialise the basic differences it is those trivial differences that makes us distinctly unequal...A man being the Head is divine

The head of? Women? The home? Companies? Countries? Religious establishments?
You might be able to justify the latter as long as you believe in irrational man made mythology. But the fact remains women have more to offer than being mere subsidiaries. Whether you accept it or not, the world has realized the potential growth and increased productivity accompanied with giving women equal opportunites.
Quoting "submission" and "from the ribs" verses from folklore might seem to give you justification, but I ask that you to let down your ego and embrace the value women add to the world, whether as subsidiaries, co-pilots or "heads"

altamaurice:
Bro we are not equal, we were never equal...that is the bitter truth and I tell you "every giant leap towards women emancipation is a step to women slavery"

I understand your ultimate fear. World domination by women and the demise of every man in the process?
Generally, you are probably physically stronger than most women, and probably less emotional. These two things are the only areas where you can claim a structural advantage (I'm not even sure the second one is) over women. So why exactly should they be seen as inferior?
When you base your life on books written by prehistoric herdsmen(when the way of life was man-hunter; woman-gatherer), it's understandable where your convictions arise from.
I see no reason why you would choose to consider a woman a lesser being based on a book that you don't know it's origin (If you did, I'm sure you wouldn't take it this seriously).
Appreciate women for the incredibly strong humans that they are. They've only recently fought through social barriers and are already at the helm of a variety of fields, showing their incredible mental capabilities if you just give them a chance.
So my friend, appreciate your mother for the strong woman that she is, accept your spouse as a partner instead of a slave and watch the empire that you both build together, and lastly, if you have daughters, raise them to be queens, giving them the love and courage they need to face this world filled with bigots like yourself

Everyone 'suffers', but some have gotten better at dealing with their problems.
Face your issues and tackle them head on instead of begging imaginary Gods for favours

sonmvayina:


There was another creation after the flood, there. was 3 accounts of creation ...in the original account.

You sound confused by what you're trying to explain.
Maybe it's just all fairytale?

812clothings:
at least,every human has choice(s)/decision(s) to make which in turn makes them.
Kindly spare him to preach the gospel here.

This my Gospel. I think organised religion does more harm than good for humanity.
The atrocities perpetrated worldwide in the name of your Gods are unspeakable. I grew up bombarded with the propaganda of indoctrination but with my level of curiosity, it was only a matter of time before I broke free.
I accept that some people require the aspect of spirituality to make sense of life, but I think religion should be personal at best.
Advertising hypocrisy and quoting of fictional books to dictate how others live their lives, I can't tolerate.

God is dead

Moral lesson: use a contraceptive

Aborted babies cry? I thought they're in heaven?

It makes sense for you to be misogynistic when you follow the words of the bible to the letter.
But my friend, women are precious intelligent beings that deserve an equal bearing in society if humanity wants to thrive further.
I hope you find the courage to let down your ego and give yourself a chance to appreciate the true value of women, as opposed to being "helpers".

Early christians responsible for the authorship of the Gospel books, like the Jews before them are notorious for not wanting to depart from polytheistic ways. You'll find other references to multiple beings constituting the supreme if you look further