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na wa all these leaches and trolls outta the woodwork just because some people won cosafa castle cup's cousin S.M. damn H low self esteem and empty trophy cabinet dust is definitely bad for your health. anyway on to better matters supernerd i know you are reading this through your mentions. it's a free world and nairaland is a free social media forum for anyone to open any thread they want and post any where they want also. that said i think your handling of the matter is not the best. opening another similar thread as much as it's your right is petty at best and doesn't speak well of you. like many have said this is just a cyber space so we shouldn't take personal. go through my old posts i engaged someone on the foreign threads who verbally attacked me out of no where to the extent of wishing death by cancer on himself and his family all because i had a different opinion. but i moved on such words haven't reduced who i am. definitely the other guy was wrong to insult your mum but i won't be a good friend to you if i don't point out how you caused it. yes your banter to him might look harmless but humans differ in the way we react to different things. if i'm walking down the road and i poke someone unannounced and the person reacts by stabbing or shooting people would say hey that was harsh but the truth is if i hadn't poked him then all that drama would have been avoided. i pray you use this time for introspection and learn from it whatever you decide to do you are always welcome here.

Mickael2:
I am thinking it is two, it should be two

like Supernerd said I'm not counting the corsica penalty

Mickael2:
about the international stats, that 7goals is padded with penalties not to mention that Nacho is almost always our top striker while Rashford plays out wide while more emphasis is playing through the middle with Alli and Kane. Now I am not trying to rubbish Nacho's international stats but I am saying that a wide midfielder who has scored 2goals in 11 games is not bad at all IMHO

bro you're wrong only one of his 7 goals for us was a penalty

first of welcome to our humble thread i also visit the man u thread plus other foreign club's threads once in a while. my own take is that it's too early to judge who is better between rashford and kelechi. both camps have good arguments why they feel his own player is ahead but like joebie said this is a pro nigerian thread so it's only natural we back our boy iheanacho. sentiments aside rashford is currently ahead based on playing time and goals scored but we all know how the english establishment (understandably) tend to encourage any young hot english talent plus playing around world class talent and being coached by a world renowned manager would obviously rob of on him. kelechi had a fantastic breakthrough season with pellegrini's man city before he slowed down a bit under pep. he's just restarting his career with leicester so it's too early to say he won't succeed there. however international wise you have to admit kc trumps rashford. already his stats for nigeria are amazingly impressive. 7 goals in 11 starts can't be sneezed at and if all goes according to plan he will have a chance to win atleast one AFCON in his career. rashford on the other hand can you confidently put your hand on your heart that he will make it to the semis let alone finals of any international tournament with england?

rashford may still go on to make it big with man u but one thing i have learned over the years watching many english strikers like rooney,
shearer, andy cole, teddy sherringham, les ferdinand etc is that they may score tonnes of goals in the league but when true levelers like world cups, euros and champions league competitions their hype disappear. this same rashford was present when iceland with a population barely the size of lagos island knocked out england with all the kanes, vardys, dele allis of this world

dopeJemi:
what is that international trophy kelechi will win before rashford? Nigeria's lack of quality strikers is the reason why kelechi can start for the eagles, was it not ighalo that led the line against Cameroon, fncking ighalo

in a team that has vardy, Harry Kane, Rashford still starts, in a team that has ibrahimovic, Lukaku, martial, rashford still starts but when it was just Aguero and Wilfred bony, Kelechi couldn't start

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you make a good point about the professionalism or lack thereof of but based strictly about the football what will england really give him?
crashing out every 2nd, 1st round of every major tourney or quarters at best. with nigeria as poor as we are AFCON titles are a fairly achievable goal as for world with good coaching and half decent players like we have at the moment could see him have a good tournament.
plus from a nigerian point of view we know if we don't have him switch to us now it would be near impossible in the future assuming he goes on to have a great career.

yes money is a big issue which cannot be sneezed at but like you said those small moimoi nigerian can be decent. overall if his career pans out the way we hope he will still earn some decent cheddar but understandably not as much as if he were an english player.

honestly if nigeria's administration was half as decent as most south american countries there is no reason we won't be able to raise a good team that would compete with the big boys that said the current nff people have worked a bit on those issues you rightly pointed out

Ibime:
These are decisions you make at 23 not 19. Have you ever thought how much an England player makes from endorsements outside of football. Dele Alli makes millions in endorsements outside of football that he would never get as a Super Eagles player unless na Stanbic bank or Peak milk moi moi ambassadorship.

Not to mention that being an England player gives you extra £20k per week on your contract than a Super Eagles player.

We have not even got into Sporting reasons such as the demoralisation of being a Super Eagles player having to play with useless old players faking their age, inconsistency of player selection and lack of long-term team building, playing with players who big men carry come, staying in rubbish hotels cos someone chopped the money, flying on rickety planes cos someone chopped the money, bonus disputes while playing for Super Eagles, lack of adequate healthcare provision and compensation for injuries on National duty etc not to mention losing your club place everytime you travel for AFCON.

You never start. If you are a pro with options, playing for Super Eagles should be a decision made from the age of like 23 when other options have failed

sunday mba whose winning goal that won us the 2013 AFCON is a joke abi? hmm

forgiveness:
All I wanna say is NPFL na joke.that's all.

well at the moment we have four regular defenders. balogun is numero uno, ekong has cemented his place in the super eagles XI, awaziem is young and has potential plus we all know how rohr likes youth leaving omeruo. is ambrose at the moment better than kenneth? debatable. God willing when we qualify for russia 2018 ambrose would make my final camping list ahead of next year's world cup because of his versatility and experience. however if all the aforementioned defenders stay fit i will be abit surprised if ambrose makes the final squad.

Joebie:
Awaziem is still developing. With the game time he is having in Ligue 1, he would get better. A future SE regular starter for sure.
Ekong's regular start in the Super Lig is beginning to give him even more confidence. He will get even better.
Why is no one talking about Ambrose anymore?.. I just did a little research on him yesterday. he is still doing his thing in the Scottish top tier.
No reports of any heroics from in the media though.

Yes those 3 defenders have done pretty well at the CHAN/WAFU level. They have a case for SE invitation at least.

same thing christian chukwu achieved before him in 2004. abeg name someone else

poshemmanuel:
Have you forgetten, he led the Super Eagles to a bronze medal at the 2006 Nations Cup in Egypt.

true the test for our team is when ghanaians have something at stake. i have watched so many games between us in the past where we dominated them but in the end they somehow won. no doubt they will be difficult. our should be ready for a battle. let me not get ahead of myself we have benin to face first

Icon4s:
I am not defending Ghana. I am just exercising some caution.

I have seen things like these play out over and over. A team that has booked a place and also first spot to the next round of a competition typical dont give their best in their last group game. If Ghana had needed a win against Nigeria to qualify I hope you know they would want to die on that pitch.

By and large kudos to the boys but if we meet Ghana again and this time in the final they shouldn't expect an easy ride

correction awaziem has been getting some good game with nantes in france. i still feel ekong can still improve and get a club in a superior league to turkey from his performances for us in the world cup in russia when/if we qualify

Joebie:
Game ends 1-1. Wolfsburg's misery continue. I hope them no change coach again after 3 more games.. lol

Yes, besides Balogun we don't have any defender playing in the big leagues.
So it would be a wonderful thing to have Uduokhai.

honestly i hope rohr stays for a long time 4 years at the very least. in between this period we can observe how finidi and amunike get on. sorry to say but i don't see any of our local league coaches being ready for a very long time

PDPGuy:
When Rohr's contract is up, and he decides to leave, which Nigerian coach should take over from him?

Really proud of the d'tigers I personally didn't see them getting to the final based on the huge turnover of personnel they have showed how blessed Nigeria is with our strength in depth whatever the outcome of today's final they have done us proud

west is strong 5 teams in the top 10

Joebie:
Blame the loss to Benin

Super Eagles Drop To 44th In Latest Fifa Rankings, Africa's Top 20 Revealed
Published: September 13, 2017
Super Eagles Drop To 44th In Latest Fifa Rankings, Africa's Top 20 RevealedNigeria were impressive in their last two World Cup qualifying matches against Cameroon in Uyo and Yaounde but that has not paid off in the latest Fifa rankings set to be announced by the governing body of football on Thursday.

The Super Eagles have fallen six spots and are now ranked 44th in the global ranking after losing 1-0 to Benin Republic in an African Nations Championship qualifier, a game classed as a 'friendly' by Fifa.

However, the national team made slight progress in the continental ranking, improving one spot to fifth ahead of African champions Cameroon.

Egypt retained their number one spot in Africa, followed by Tunisia, Senegal and Congo DR.

Our rivals to book a ticket to the 2018 World Cup, Algeria and Zambia, are placed 62nd and 79th respectively in the global ranking.

Germany have vaulted over Brazil as the best ranked nation; Portugal, Argentina and Belgium round up the top five.

Africa's Top 20 Teams

1) Egypt
2) Tunisia
3) Senegal
4) Congo DR
5) Nigeria
6) Cameroon
7) Burkina Faso
Ghana
9) Ivory Coast
10) Morocco
11) Algeria
12)Guinea
13) Cape Verde
14) Uganda
15) South Africa
16) Mali
17) Zambia
18) Gabon
19) Libya
20) Kenya
Benin

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exactly my point rufai made it look better than it actually was. ball would have been a routine save for most goalkeepers

TheGoodJoe:
It was brilliant. It looked like the freekick was going out but it was a brilliant curler. Rufai was escorting the ball to pick it for a goal kick only for the ball to head to the net.

little messi

by the way welcome to our humble thread

joebie, supernerd and co una be real ijebu you guys no fit entertain our lovely guest even if na coke and small suya

libero808:
Yes same Stanley.
He had returned to Nigeria from Almeria.
I think he joined Abia Warriors at first.

wasn't such a brilliant freekick remember rufai escorting the ball into the net. most fond memory is definitely that oliseh scud missile. spain was really fancied then. i remember pre-world cup spain had been unbeaten for like 20 or so matches before france beat them 1-0 in a friendly

TheGoodJoe:

That Raul's goal was fantastic. What a way to start the game. I think the long pass came from Hierro. With Mobi Oparakwu running and then jumping to stop it. But the young Real Madrid assassin just tucked it in like a Boss. Hierro also scored a brilliant freekick in that game.

That was a big victory for Nigeria and the highlight of our appearance in the World Cup. We celebrated like we won the World Cup.

i understand the spirit in which you are critiquing the team that is we are not there yet which i happen to agree with 100%. in saying that i think it will be a disservice to unduly downplay the amazing results the team has gotten so far against tough opposition.

cameroon may not be indomitable as other teams in the past but they are still a solid international team. they bested senegal, ghana and egypt countries with better or similar level players as us. they also beat morocco on their home turf in a friendly months back. even in their poor confed performance they were beaten by eventual finalists germany and chile. as much as they performances was not up to scratch
they gave fair account of themselves (which is not uncommon for most african reps) so it's a bit of a stretch saying they are not a strong team.

algeria as of the time we faced them were ranked africa's best team and gave us a run for our money forget their recent implosion they will go toe to toe with the best on the continent

zambia as we all know are the best team in southern africa who are always a tough nut to crack.

in all viewed from this single point their results against these power houses is highly commendable but it will be of no effect and a distant memory if we cannot build on this result to get even better afterall didn't ghana thrash egypt 6-1 in the last qualifying campaign before this current one yet where are they now football wise. humility hardwork and constant improvement should be our mantra going forward

Mickael2:
first and foremost don't give up common sense just because you want to be patriotic, thank you.

number two, Cameroon were the punching bags at the confederations cup, so the point about them being a strong team isn't true. the last time we met they collected three. Algeria just lost twice to Zambia, hardly the toughest opposition we have ever faced. now don get me wrong, these are strong teams in the African continent Nd we are doing a marvelous job bossing them in the group and the boys have been doing very well but the truth is that we ain't close yet, not at all. we need to keep improving, if that performance against Cameroon is our best then we need help and quick too. most of the people who started this argument with me later got the point and left, your headache I don't know.

Which players did the Spanish team have prior to that world cup in 98? this is their golden generation. as at then all our first team players were playing in top clubs, we had just won the Olympics two years earlier.

eterisan:
right here following silently. Glad someone remembers.. Sir terzurum5...ok OK I will drop comments. Regarding the left back issue, I am deeply touched and sad at the amount of stick given echeijile. We know age is not on his side, he has lost a yard or two, but please....he is the best option we have right now.. Sad but true..

If you disagree, please name a natural left back of Nigerian origin, qualified to play for us, in any of the top 20 leagues in the world, [20 I mean expand the bracket] that will unseat ụwa. Rohr is no slouch, he knows what he is doing. He will continue to field the best we have, and right now ụwa is our best bet for a starting position atleft back... Show the dude some respect.

Disagree much give names.. And not make shift options.. Right now in the team we got Aina and Tyrone... Make shift options..... How did we even get here... I need to develop my left leg asap.. Lolz..... Or probably make a baby, force him to be a leftie with an eye on the left back position of the Eagles......

All am asking for is for ụwa to be shown some respect..... Cos he has held his own for years in the team.... And I can't remember any mistake he has done in recent games that cost us goals... Accept his limitations.. Uphold his strengths... We are a team...

PS..if ụwa gets injured before the world cup.. Then we are screwed.. SCREWED FROM ALL HOLES.. ASK KESHI AND THE LAST WORLD CUP WE PARTICIPATED.. peace I'm out.

I don't think anyone here is disrespecting elderson we are just pointing out his performances have been especially poor of late. You will agree that a national team that hopes to do well we can't continue to rely on one LB especially one who is not in form. Yes there aren't many natural left backs of Nigerian descent in top leagues but Aina can play makeshift and you can't tell me in the whole nigeria league you can't find a decent backup.

Yes his injury at the world cup was a loss but not a disaster like you are claiming we did ok without him with Juwon oshaniwa performing well elderson is ok but not indispensable

i like martins but the main question marks i have about him are what are we currently missing that he will bring to the team? plus can he slot into the current tactical set up of the team?

komekn:
Simply tell me, which of our strikers including those who have been invited to the SE that are currently better than Martins . Statistically speaking and or otherwise. Please no unsubstantiated assumptions just raw facts.

If Ronaldo, Alves, Defoe, Ibrahimovic, Evra, Riberie, Arjen Robben, Carlos Tevez, Yaya Toure, etc, etc, who are older than Martins, WHY NOT MARTINS most of these players under consideration in the SE have not smelled the heights Martins has attained and indeed may never.

yes for now like all top african teams we have deficiencies that top teams will exploit but with all modesty this team under rohr has shown a better team cohesiveness and sacrifice i have not seen in many super eagles matches. watch the 2nd leg game against cameroon not for the result but defensive performance it was top notch. against a spain definitely onazi would be more cautious so the rest of the the team.

parking the bus though a crude tactic is a very effective plan against superior teams like spain, france, argentina etc. but facing such teams as germany brazil this would be a very wrong move.

i think we should stay humble and first address the zambian hurdle at hand before addressing how we play top opposition God willing we will have ample to discuss this further in the near future

Mickael2:
i just did and I think that what I said was an understatement. If we play like that against Spain they'd have us for breakfast everyday of the week and twice on sundays, not to mention Germany and Brazil.

The defeciencies in that game were quite open, and I will be using instances too.
From defence: if Isco drifts into Echejile's wing(even if Echejile is there he will still beat him silly, no brainer really) and has enough space to operate that will draw Balogun out of his wings like he did a lot of times(this should actually be Onazi's role but Balogun was doing it, nice against Cameroon but deadly against top teams) that creates a Spanish over-load in the middle and we all know Isco's decision making is top-notch, a quick pass into the middle(if he doesn't fancy his chances against Balogun one-on-one anyways,just ask the Italians) and they will surely create a chance, Enyeama can only do so much. This is the defence first of all.


Midfield: the spaces left by Onazi continously was an eyesore. Against Spain, we can count that as two assists for Iniesta wrapped in a gift bag and delivered promptly. Just drift in, receive a pass and do the damage, the worse part is that Onazi when he sees that he is out of position will come driving in, at the end there will be two players marking one player(Iniesta) and what does that mean? Another guy is free, creating more space and you can believe that Iniesta will pick that pass with perfection. This is how the midfield battle is won. With Mikel as our Amf and Busquets(probably the best DMF in the world or top 2 at least) holding him off trust me Mikel's impact will be reduced markedly, of course Mikel's brilliance may shine through once in a while but Busq gets the upper hand 90% of the time, now what happens when Mikel actually gets the upper hand? Read on

do you fancy Ideye's chances against Spain? I do not. Iheanacho stands a better chance. But then you are talking about two of the best CBs in the game against a young lad who is yet to cut it at club level, now that is not a great sight to behold. Now all they need to do is isolate Iheanacho from Moses and Moses will start trying to beat all the four defenders plus GK, result? No shot close to goal and when Moses is having a bad day our attack is too.

The defeciencies in our game like I said were clear, claiming that we stand a chance against Spain(Spain are vastly inferior to Germany or Brazil) is pure fantasy. Trust me the performance that Siaone's team gave against Argentina was actually better than this performance by far, that too against vastly superior opponent. Our best bet is to pray we follow Ghana's path, I fancy our chances against Uruguay and other mid-level teams but top teams? We don't have the players, the technical ability, the coach or even the facilities to attempt it

hi everyone Thank God again for the hard point won in yaounde by his grace we are russia bound

some of my thoughts about the game

ezenwa did well in my opinion. for the penalty call yes he misjudged the flight of the ball when he came out but i think he was just unlucky because if you watch the replays closely you will see that the cameroonian clattered into him but the noisy fans and protestations of the other cameroonian players put pressure on the referee to give the spot kick. with this performance ezenwa has sure earned my vote to go to russia when we qualify by God's grace. the way he put his body on the line to clear that goal bound ball from the onrushing cameroonian sure earned my respect.

i think the tactics that the coaching crew employed in yaounde were spot on. like i predicted the cameroonians came out in full force in the first 20-25 minutes after their initial gra gra i knew we would take control. truth be told we would have probably squeezed through with a 1-0 result if not for that unfortunate penalty. although with hindsight i think rohr goofed substituting mikel at the time he did but it was understandable since he is not 100% fit.

seriously commend our defenders for restricting cameroon to two shots on target over the two legs that's no mean feat i mean a whole african champions to be shut out men no be beans. balogun is a true beast minister of defence, defender of the universe voltron na learner wey you dey. ekong really benefited from partnering him. elderson was really poor we need an alternative to him sharpish. shehu has really grown into the RB role but i feel aina will be potential better however since shehu is doing well ola can be shifted to the LB in a makeshift role.

as all the posters have noted we urgently need an understudy to mikel. if joel obi can stay injury free he will definitely be my first option to come in to deputize, ajagun, aluko and kelechi nwakali should also be monitored.

big kudos to the boys for knocking out cameroon tonight we can relax and watch the algeria vs zambia game. if algeria beats zambia it's safe to say we have qualified because our superior goal difference will make it a mission impossible for both algeria and zambia to meet up

BascoVanVeli:
I would like to see John Ogu play a part his size would be useful cuz I expect a physical encounter.

yes you are right John ogu will play a part hearing balogun is also carrying a knock anyone with news on that?

Hello everyone you know how we do game day all positivity and success to the super eagles may God reward our efforts. Amen. Expect the Cameroonians to come out all guns blazing and desperate in the first 20-25 minutes so we should definitely try and weather the storm by preventing that early goal which could give them confidence.

Don't expect much change in the line up except ighalo is not fit

Thank you God ezenwa justified why I wanted him to start. Big shoutout to onazi he was fantastic I have criticized him a lot recently his performance sure shut me up.

So many man of the match contenders today Mikel, onazi, v.moses,balogun, ezenwa so hard to choose

Good morning guys today is gameday let's back our super eagles all the way. No room for negativity let's support them with all our mind. If you will be at the stadium cheer them all the way no booing please. God willing nigeria will be victorious amen let's go super eagles

forgiveness:
Read my comment carefully and take note of the @bolded, then tell me how the goalpost take change.

read my post again are you saying he was undeserving of a call up when he was invited because according to you his prime was between 12-14 was it not 2014 we played that friendly against mexico?

forgiveness:
I said 'in his prime.'

Abu, 2014 be em prime?

Even d antic wey Keshi dey do na to call players e no put 4 bench until game nearly wan finish before em go play am.

With all em form from 2012 - 2014 (wey don dey die), how many times Keshi call am before dis match? Just once.

How many minutes em gi-am play? Less than 20 minutes. Chai! And you think say I dey lie?

master of shifting goal posts so you are saying we invited a player who was not in form and so didn't deserve his call up hmm very interesting

hmmm forgiveness falsely exaggerating as usual. never given a chance egbon please who played in this friendly before the world cup? ghost worker abi? https://www.11v11.com/matches/mexico-v-nigeria-05-march-2014-308975/

forgiveness:
Very painful he was never given a chance in his prime.

I remember how some people here shut my mouth because of this lad.

ezenwa is picked like i suggested not the one i would have ideally wanted in between the sticks but like the saying goes when the desirable becomes unavailable the available becomes desirable. let's support ezenwa and give him the necessary backing

Balogun you have your work cut out for you but i trust you to deliver

Mickael2:
Onazi is definitely living in past glory. Musa and Moses Simon too, Moses Simon's own is even worse because I really don't even know which past glory he is living in, the coach just like a him. I just named three players that I think are living on past glory, now lemme name three players that can easily replace them; Kayode, Onyekuru, Dressier, let me not go on.

you want to know why Onazi needs to be dropped? easy, because we have better players in that position, let me not even get into the technical aspects. I however agree that he is a vital utility player, but a starter? No no

cc Joebie

personally I like onazi he brings a lotof passion and team bonding to the super eagles but his football has been poor of late. However I don't this his days in the national team are necessarily over. I feel a move to a better league and reinvention of his game will help him get back to his best form.

Moses Simon I don't think he's that bad I personally like everything about his game as a winger just needs to work on his decision making.

Musa yes he can be infuriating and is the one most likely to lose his place but I'm not completely ruling him out because sometimes when I think he is finished he pops up and does something special for the national team

fantastic news hopefully his true potential will shine through

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