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Good news that nigga talks too much.

She's not good looking enough. I can't blame those guys. It's not about being racist or something. Except the other contestants are dumb like those Anambra girls so they gave it to her on other basis

blues20:
Dude, your own version of history ehn, I wonder where you are pulling 'em out from. Eboh is the old way of spelling Igbo. This just metamorphosis of words over time. So if Oluada is not Igbo, why did he mention ichi marks wore by the nri nobility? Why do you guys like twisting history just to suit your political purpose?

read and balance my comment. Igbos concluded that Eboh was the old way of spelling Igbo because of Equano's book but they may be wrong or right. I don't know if there's any other proof of that being the old way of spelling Igbo. But I can tell you categorically that Eboh is the right spelling of Aboh. That's how the Ukwanis and surrounding areas pronounce it. Reason some people are of the opinion that the Ebo he talked about was Aboh and not Igbo.

But as for the Ichi marks, that's one of the reason some scholars said he's not from Aboh because many of the things he wrote about don't t exist in Aboh. Some ascribe different origins to him and me that knows little about the subject find it hard to know which version to go for because all of them have valid points. Now you see how confusing it all is? So don't try to use this as a valid argument of Anioma Igboness. He never called himself Igbo. That's just my point

I think Igbos have the right to leave. Yorubas should help in the dissolution of this country. Too much evil and bloodshed going on and it will never stop. Only solution is to disintegrate.

blues20:
You, ehn, you talk like a sissy sometimes... what makes you think Igbos are not aborigine to places like Asaba, Onistha, Oshimili and the rest, before the arrival of other group? Have you read the narrative of Oluada Equino..... researchers have drawn conclusion, that he was actually from Western Igbo. He made references to Idu influences on his people and other practices that are prevalent in places like Ndokwa of today.
Don't forget that Oluada referred himself as an Igbo in his write-up.
This was before anything like Nigeria came into existence.

Asaba was founded by Igala, Onitsha was by Bini, there is no place like Oshimili, many towns in Oshimili say they're from Bini and most of the Ndokwas say they're from Bini and other Bendel groups including Esan, Urhobo/Isoko, Ijaw, and Anioma areas.

As for Oludua of a guy, nobody knows where he's from. I even read a debate by Osita Mordi and some Igbos where they were analysing this topic. Many of the things he wrote about didn't add up. If you're vast in Igbo history you'll understand what I mean. He was too young to have known most of the things he wrote about.

And Oludua never called himself Igbo. He said he was Ebo. If actually he is Aboh, then Aboh is what he meant by Eboh because the real name of Aboh is Eboh. The name is still in use in the Ndokwa Ukwani area till date

blues20:
Oh, my apology, please. This solidify my position on the fact that Delta Igbos are migrant from different direction, but Igbos having the upper hand because of proximity, early aboriginal movement and population. So, ibu diali.

there's no aboriginal movement by the Igbo in Anioma. If there is any upper hand, it's population. Igbos population and influence is far far higher than Edo's and Igala's put together. And Igbos are known for exporting their language and culture wherever they go. And colonialism, Christianity and music, movies have a role to play.

hammerF:
@RedboneSmith: send me the material or better yet post it here.

Tell me one similar igala and yoruba word? Just one is all i ask.

How do u equate two separate entity that dont even share border as similar?

That is just propaganda and lies.

do you know the Igala numerals?

cheruv:
Too bad
You're very brilliant in Bini history but coming to Anioma history you're a complete ìtì...as in eh you know nothing there. You and Cire80 are in the same boat even though you're a bit better than him

You and your brothers have selective blindness but others that are reading our comments with an unbiased mind know who knows the history better between you and me. They also know the imposter is. And who is being more balanced in his comments.

Wulfruna:
"As an UkwaNgwa." Amazing! I wish I had this power to change identity as I like. On this thread you're Ukwa-Ngwa. On the other thread you are Anioma. Brilliant!

Cire80
ehikwe22
gerg

Did you guys see this thread/comment?

(Oh, Ukwa-Ngwa is in Abia State... in case you guys aren't familiar with the term.)

thanks. I saw this yesterday and I laughed in my mind because it only confirmed what I already knew. The reason I didn't confront him with it is because I knew he would twist it like he always does. That's what him and his brothers are best at doing.

cheruv:
Nna ehh
From the way the Cire80 guy was responding, I started having this feeling that he's not Anioma. I still gave him benefit of the doubt but all he did was prove my guts right.
So many times here his Bini brother had to correct him as regards some ignorant claims he made. What convinced me finally was when I asked him the nature of Bini influence on the war,you can see the shabby and incoherent responses he gave
At times I wonder why these Idu boys can't leave Anioma alone!!!

I do not know where you people get the things you talk about from. Even if someone bring out white here and say it's white. Everybody sees it as white, Igbo people will say it's black if that's what suits them. I think this is a case of dillission.

cheruv:
Too poor....very poor response filled with emotions rather than logic and am very convinced you're not Ika!!!
You're one of these Bini boys parading as Ika
You say no 5 is ridiculous Just take a look at your answers from one to four,masquerading under a thinly veiled Bini ID
You're not Ika...Ikas are a proud people and they're not Edo. The only relationship btwn Ika and Idu is the conquest of 1577 and the subsequent colonization of Ali Ika.
Guy, stop claiming Anioma and using that to make Western Igbos look confused before other Igbos and other Nigerians. Your kind of people have caused enough damage as it is to the Anioma cause and we won't take it anymore from your likes

If this response seem to poor to you then you are irredeemable. You only see what you want to see because you brain has been blocked from reasoning any other way apart from the way it was programmed.

ikechu1:
What sort of nonsense is this. The Ekemeku war had nothing to do with Bini. The bini played no factor in that war. The onky other extrenal factor during that time was SE igbo precisely the modern day Anambra section. Seriously reading the crap you keep writing from Enuani used to be ika, among other BS, I'm inclined to agree with cheruv that you are not from any part of aniomaland. I really won't be shocked if you truly are benin. You people are known to try and rewrite pur histiry and try to attach yourselves to it

Where's this madman coming from?

cheruv:
The Ika were already engaged in the ekumeku like ten years before the British sacked Idu. Lemme ask you some questions
1]why'd Ika soldiers leave the ekumeku war they were engaged with the British and then send aid to Idu,when princely states of the ekumeku military alliance were not finding the war easy?
2]if Idu had some influence like you claimed(unlike Benin, Nri wasn't a military power but a religious one,similar to the papacy of Igboland), why didn't they send reinforcements for the 10+ years the ekumeku war had been on before the sack of Benin in 1897?
3]if Idu had any influence like you claimed,why did the war go on for another 17 years after Idu was sacked by Britain?
4]why didn't the Ika surrender like the ishan did when Idu was sacked but rather they kept on fighting?
5]if you deny Nri influence, why did Anioma resistance collapse suddenly after the disgrace of 1911? Before 1911 the British were not making any headway in the war but suddenly started making headway after 1911,what changed the equation??
Can you gimme honest,logical answers to my queries?

1. The Ekumeku war wasn't going on non stop for 3 decades. Before the Ikas and Ishans could send soldiers to go help Bini out, there definitely should be little or no battle going on in Ika land during that period.

2. The early 1980s was a very turbulent period for Ika and Bini. Like I said earlier, the relationship between Ika and Bini was a love hate relationship with lots of revolts coming from the Ika people against the Binis. The Ikas and Edos were constantly having problems and settling just like brothers do. The Oba of benin wouldn't have sent soldiers to help a revolting Ika people. I will use the case of a father and son as an example. If you have a father that's too disturbing and you as his son is very stubborn, a trait you probably got from him, do you think it's possible for you to work together? He will eventually run away one day and should something happen to him, it will be to at your discretion to send help to him or not.

3. After Idu was was sacked, Bini people became friendly to the British and Bini people were sent to Agbor district (later Ika District) as representatives. This was around 1990s. Out people were constantly having problems with these Bini people and some were even killed. Ika people became antagonistic to the Edos and the British, this almost saw the Edos and the British on one side and Ika and other Aniomas on the other side. This further explains the constant fighting and settling and the love hate relationship I talked about. And also the Bini/Agbor/Owa politics I talked about.

4. Don't be a straight line thinker. All events have reasons why they happen and you can't understand all explain all reasons. That the Ishans surroundered doesn't mean the Ikas should do same.

5. This number 5 is the most ridiculous question and you don't expect me to answer that. Very amusing.

cheruv:
Why'd I twist when all I've to do is present them as they're
Ikas are a proud nation...they just the Bulgarians and Serbians who resisted Ottoman aggression have resisted Benin aggression for 400years. So for me as a fellow Anioma to see some Ika pandering to Benin makes me sick and I wonder how our fathers who resisted Idu would feel in the netherworld they're now
Am not strange bro...just being real

The Ikas are really a proud nation. Yes, when the Binis got guns and other weapons from the Portuguese, they became tyrannical and started terrorizing all their neighbors and the Ika people resisted them a great deal. The relationship between Ika and Edo has always been a love hate relationship but does this take away the fact that we are brothers? This is not even just brotherhood. We're broke out from them.

Even the Aros that came to the Anioma land with guns tried terrorizing and inciting the natives against authorities of the land before they were chased out.

The manner the founders of most Anioma Kingdoms left Bini wasn't a peaceful one so there's animosity and bad blood between us and the Edo people. That brothers quarreled doesn't stop them from being brothers.

gregyboy:
intreasting to hear of the ekmeku war but thoguh i dont believe the story even the story eze nri that ibos just propagating now is something else but i dont think the ekumeku war against the british really made effect compare to the one idu gave the britsh thats y even when the queen of england visit it doesnt really give a dem about the people who fought the ekumeku war against them all i see is propagting stories which was hyped by the igbos and for the record in the full africa idu still remains the hardest kingdom british could colonized even when bretrayal was with the idu my area i stay in benin is close to a moat that swalloed hundreds of british soldiers i will recomend you to go read bini history

Actually, it's surprising when I start seeing the Igbos trying to take glory for the Ekumeku war. They were never part of the war but now I see them taking glory for it. The Binis gave the British s a very hard time so also the Aniomas. We the Ikas has been described as the most warlike /warrior like part of Anioma region by many historians. I think the British /Edo war saw more British casualties than Anioma /British war but the fact that Anioma was able to sustain the war for such a very long time coupled with the sense of brotherliness and oneness of the Anioma makes it a thing of pride for us.

I was told the Ekumeku war became fiercest after some Ika and Ishan soldiers that jointly trained to go help Bini returned without fighting any battle because the war ended abruptly before they got there. This's part of the reason I was telling Cheruv of Bini influence in the Ekumeku war.

blues20:
Very insulting.... I'm done with you dude. Got better things up my sleeves.

As insulting as trying to deliberately and forcefully change another person's history and cultural heritage?

cheruv:
So you've been arguing based instead of on facts/reality but on emotions Too bad...how am I even sure you're Ika Kos no proud Ika panders to the whims and caprices of Benin

I don't know how this means arguing on emotions? You're a very strange being. You sense of understanding is very shallow or maybe you deliberately twist talks?

cheruv:
Idu didn't send any reinforcements biko...even if we were allies, how'd Idu send reinforcement when they were under effective British occupation This is similar to the Axis powers after may 1945..how can imperial Japan expect aid from Nazi Germany when we all know the Nazis surrendered to the Allies on may 11,1945 and maybe like in June 1945 Japan would now be expecting help from the Nazis... That's a no brainer
Moreover, when Anioma resistance collapsed, the British divided up Anioma and placed Ika under direct Idu overlordship to placate the Bini on account of 1897. All the Bini men sent as satraps/administrators to the various Ika princely states were murdered one after the other except in few places. This event is what pushed the Brits to leave ika in asaba division instead of the planned move to Benin division.

This your comment corroborate my point. Bini people sent to Ika areas were Killed, British administrators were killed too. That's just a little about the Bini/Owa/Agbor politics I was talking about.

I never said Bini sent reinforcement for Anioma but the British sent reinforcement from Bini against Anioma. Bini wasn't directly involved. There's no where I said that. I wouldn't have involved Bini in Ekumeku war if not you that was trying to link Nri which didn't know there was an Ekumeku war going on. My point in mentioning Bini was to tell you if there is any outsiders that were involved in the Ekumeku war, it's the Binis and the Esan. Do you know that as mighty as Agbor Kingdom was that time, there were not much involved in the war? I'm sure you know why.

What business does Buhari, a Muslim have with leadership of a Christian Church abeg? These people are going to far

blues20:
My observation: Your counter is not base on factual records. I don't want to point out the fact that you're a little bit emotional.... Can you present your facts with written records to back your claims?
The Ekumeku war, seems to be the last resistance to British incursion into Southern Nigeria. If the Ishan and Binis influenced the movement, as you claimed, please do justice by presenting facts.

you people are mistaking the Ekumeku movement as a single movement. Bini and Esan didn't play any direct role on it but do you know we were under Bini province ? And reinforcement were being sent from Bini. That's the mistake you're making. I'm not going to waste my time in this. If you're interested in the subject, go and make a research on it with an open mind. There is no connection between Ekumeku and Nri.

cheruv:
Its obvious this Bini bias of yours won't allow you to be objective
I've read like three to four sources from different parts of Anioma concerning the Ekumeku war and none of them I mean NONE mentioned any Ishan or Idu town as participant to the war of resistance. The westernmost town of the alliance was Agbor while Onicha Ado was the easternmost town of the ekumeku military alliance. During the war, two British commanders Crewe and Chapman lost their lives at Owa and Ogwanshi Ukwu respectively.
I think you're the one trying to rewrite our history to fit with your Benin bias but thank God the records are there for everyone to see

Bini and Ishan didn't participate in the war but some Bini/Agbor /Owa politics of that era influenced the war. If you know about Anioma history you would understand what I mean. It's obvious you don't know about it so I'll ignore you

cheruv:
I've noticed that what these Idu people do is claim that i propagate propaganda... Now give us your own version they're all mum
Anyway am tired of discussing Ika history with people who claim to know but they don't...my interest is the Ika wordlist they talked about, if only they can compile it let's see how Ika is been Igbonized

Yes, all you people do is propound theories that doesn't have any evidence to be up. Ekumeku Movement wasn't a single movement. The only p
Outsiders that played any roles were the Esans and Binis that we shared same province with. Please stop rewriting people's history but cry foul when someone else write about your Igbo history. Isn't that hypocrisy?

ayodele234:
The stupidity in your brain in form of capitalist western education will never tell you "all private property is theft". Bill Gates, Slim, Dangote etc are all thieves profiting from neoliberal globalization, but you need the sledge hammer of Communist to descend on your bald head before you come to your senses that was stolen by western education and the stupid pursuit of capitalist dreams and primitive accumulation. CV my a*s*s!

What's this? You made a good point but you sound very bitter, pained and hateful and lack sense of humor hence you didn't notice the cryptic sarcasm in my post. This is how Hitler started and he almost destroyed the world. Control yourself bro.

cheruv:
Yes igala came from Nri but Nri forbade igala from paying homage to it...Nri was a spiritual empire not a physical that's why lasted so long for almost a thousand years. It was the disgrace of 1911 on the Eze Nri that led to the collapse of the ekwumekwu war of Anioma which enabled the British to amalgamate Nigeria three years after.

Nri has nothing to do with our Ekumeku war. What concerns Nri and Ekumeku?

If it's possible for anybody to use his real money to build this kind of Estate, then Madueke can build it. Check her CV and see she's not an ordinary woman. If Alakija can become a world richest black woman and otedola among the world's richest men from oil and gas, tell me how Madueke can not be rich despite being in the industry for a long time.

cheruv:
What's there to learn if all you do is contradict yourself
Ika is a thousand years old...Bini started expanding from 1440 under Ewuare the Great and at his death in 1473 the expulsions happened. So how can Ika that's a thousand years old turn around and be established by Bini émigré royals in the 1500s
Broz...its clear you know nothing about Ika history or you're deliberately trying to sidestep any fact that doesn't match your Bini bias
Anyway, do you still have that list?

I pity your teacher. You seem like a special needs student that requires special attention before you understand simple write up. Even after drawing your attention to 'some' and 'almost all' you still go back asking the same thing. do you think Ika is a single Kingdom that was founded the same time? I give up on you

hammerF:
IKA OR ANIOMA WERE IN THEIR PRESENT LOCATION BEFORE THE 15TH AND 16TH CENTURY. U CONFIRMED THIS IN PARAGRAPH 1.

THE RUN AWAY ROYAL FAMILY WAS AFTER THE BRITISH PUT A PRICE ON THEIR HEAD FROM THE LATE 15TH AND EARLY 16TH CENTURY, TO THE 19TH CENTURY WEN THE BRITISH SENT OBA OVONRAMWEN NOGBAISI TO EXILE IN 1897 IN CALABAR, AFTER THE ABOLITION OF SLAVE TRADE.


SO UR SUBMISSION CONTRADICTS ITSELF.


ONE MINUTE, IKA IS OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OLD, THE NEXT MINUTE RUN AWAY ROYAL FAMILY MEMBERS ESTABLISHED THEM IN THE 15TH TO 19TH CENTURY.


PLEASE, REVIEW UR SUBMISSION.

you only see what you want to see and it's pointless debating with people like you. Did you see the place I wrote 'SOME'? Did you also miss where I wrote almost all? So in your imaginary head, all Ika Kingdoms were founded the same time?

You also missed the part where I indicated that those Ika Kingdoms that have been in existence for more than a thousand years are already practicing Edo culture and bearing Edo names? Even the book written by Iduwe as biased as it was talked about many Edo culture in Agbor without making reference to Edo. He even ascribed Ika origin to many Edo culture and traditions which I think is not true. I know it's possible Edo copied some things from us but not those things he talked about

cheruv:
Oops
Was this the angle you were coming from??
OK... What you're saying simply backed up the theory I propagated on my last response to you, which is that with the removal of Bini oppression from the daily lives of Ika people, their suppressed identity is gradually returning to the surface. That's why you see them changing names of things back to their pre Bini forms and being more freer to express their Igbo identity without the overbearing influence of Idu.
Moreover door in Igbo is Mgbō not Uzo...Uzo is for way or road.
Moreover do you still have that list?? Send it across to me there are some things I'd like to check up there

I think you deliberately choose not to learn. Ika has never been suppressed by anyone. Ika language being igbonize and you're twisting it. I don't have any business arguing someone that has let prejudice block his sense of reasoning. Good luck

cheruv:
Ahhh this guy keeps repeating this stale line
Even the Bini recognized Ika as being Igbo and you're here claiming otherwise. Bini colonized Ika as a result of the conquest of 1577,so its expected to see heavy Edonization of Ika but claiming that Ika is Edo is similar to saying that Yeshua was not Jewish but Arab
Concerning the bold, Ika are not been Igbonized rather they're returning to their true identity which is Igbo. This identity was suppressed after the conquest but since the Ika regained their independence, its only natural that their true identity would gradually come back to the surface

I don't know what to call you. There was no form of conquest. Some communities in Ika are more than a thousand years old and even before this time, the founders of these communities are already practicing Bini culture and bearing Bini name. Was it your imaginary 1557 conquest that affected then more than a millenia ago?

Almost all of the Ika communities founded in the 15th and 16th century that have Bini origin were founded by Benin royal family members that were running away from persecution or execution. Was it this men running away from their Kingdom that conquered Ika in 1557? Bini Kingdom of old experience lots of turbulent time within the Palace and lots of people from royal families were fleeing. That's how they founded many of the Anioma Kingdoms

RedboneSmith:
Ah, you live outside Nigeria. It makes sense now. Oshimili is my second home. You will never know them more than i do. In fact, i am driving to Okwe this evening to hang out with my goons. And i am telling you as someone who eats from the same plate with the indigenes that they connect more with Ogbaru than they connect with Ika. They understand Ogbaru dialect far, far more easily than they understand Ika, and they understand that they share a deeper level of brotherhood with Ogbaru than they share with Ika. The riverine areas of Oshimili belong to the same geo-cultural entity with Ogbaru - they are all called Olu people. Ika is not Olu.

Before Dennis Osadebay in the 1950s or so, there was nothing like Anioma. Anioma is nothing but a political coalition of "Igboid" ethnic groups who found themselves in the Midwestern Region. You people in this age have turned it into what it was never intended for.

Actually, that I'm living outside Naija doesn't matter because I'm always in touch with my Anioma people wherever I am and I come home often because I have a business that brings me home. Last year alone I visited Nigeria twice and I spent most of these times in Asaba. I have friends who are from OKwe and oko.

hammerF:
IGBANKE PEOPLE WILL TELL U THAT THEY ARE ANIOMA. THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE EDOID CLASS OF LANGUAGE.

IKA FALL INTO THE SAME CATEGORY AS ANIOMA.

EDOID GROUP ARE BINI, URHOBO AND ESAN.

When I say Edoid I mean they used to have more Edo words and sentences than they do now. Years back, the Ika word for door was Ekue but now everyone is saying Uzor. Road used to be Uwaya, everyone is also saying Uzor. chair used to be Aga(rah), bench agbara and short stool was ekete now everyone use Oche generally for chair. I can give you hundred lists of Edo words that was in use in Ika area about 2 or 3 decades ago that have totally been replaced with Igbo words. It's only the elders that still use some of these words.

The Ika we speak today is not the Ika of 5 decades ago. The Ika spoken in those period are highly mixed with Edo and Igbo word but now all the Edo words are fast disappearing

cheruv:
It seems you don't know anything about Ali Ika...how can the communities be ika and then speak ika as second language
You're Bini and not ika...but even then you're deficit in Bini history and its relationship with the ika. Concerning the igbanke,you've seen that am more on ground there than you. In fact you can't be Ika and not be bothered that Igbanke which is an Ika community has lost its language to Bini

Do you lack comprehensive ability? In my posts I've been making it clear my point is not if these communities are Ika or not. They can be Bini people losing their language or just speak Ika as a second language. Some of these people are mixed as well. And again, how can one distinguish between Bini people that speak Bini from Ika speaking Bini people when originally Ika was of Bini stock? Same culture and same everything including migration stories just different times.

What do you know about igbanke? I didn't even talk about Igbanke except when I corrected you about there correct name so how did you know much about them? How is Igbanke losing their language when there language was more Edoid than it is now? Ika language including igbanke was more Edoid and getting Igbonized day by day.