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bigfrancis21:
Origin of Agbor
The History of Agbor Kingdom like those of other African ancient kingdoms, empires and peoples is based on oral tradition. Various oral accounts on the origin of Agbor and Ika people exist but the most credible being that “Ogunagbon” and his followers who founded Agbor came from Benin and first settled in “Ominije” presently located in today’s Agbor-Nta. Following what can best be described as personal crisis between two princes in Benin and subsequent settlement of this dispute as agreed to by the chiefs and elders of Benin determined by casting of lot, one of the princes settled in what became known as “Agbon”. Agbon like other Anioma towns and communities was later anglicized by the Bjritish who found it difficult to pronounce as “Agbor” the present name of the town. For certain reasons, I have decided to ignore all other events that transpired leading to the foundation of the town called Agbor in acknowledgement of the fact that what concerns us here is the progenitor of the kingdom and his origin. Agbon (Agbor) in Benin means “Earth or “Land”.

http://www..com/talk/topic,52285.0.html

How does this give credence to your assertion that Benin people gave us the name?

Iamwrath:
I expect the bad belle marafackers to come and cum on this thread about how Yoruba slaves are being arrested by their Hausa masters

some ediots will say No single herdsman has been arrested despite all the havoc they've wreaked in South West


But sensible people will know this is actually damage control to prevent crisis in the north


I expect one low life marafaker to quote me for this comment when the day breaks when that asswipe does , i will mark it as IT

Arresting people damage control? Do you know the pains the people arrested will pass through?

What kind of damage do they want to control? Hausas have been killing people without any damage control. Wouldn't it be wise the Yoruba leave it as it is. At least, it was a job well done. It's long overdue. Now I'm no longer proud of them.

When I see people talk about Magu being competent, I wonder if the job of the EFCC has been changed. Isn't he supposed to prosecute APC and PDP members? How can any patriotic Nigerian say someone that's on a witch-hunt mission for the Buhari is competent?

bigfrancis21:
Now let me ask you this question, why would the binis possibly name agbor 'agbon' meaning 'earth' or 'land'. What's the significance or motive behind this name?

Where did you get it from that the Binis called Agbor Agbon?

bigfrancis21:
How did the edo term conveying the logic get lost yet ominije itself was retained?

How did Olukumi survive in the West Indies and Caribbean but Igbo didn't? Some of the most popular festivals in Spanish America's are of Yoruba origin. I still remember the Yamoja festival which I witnessed in Brazil. What happened to the Igbo language and culture in those places? The truth is, you don't look at history from a straightforward angle.

bigfrancis21:
Otu - age group, same as in Igbo? Ndi otu gi, for example? Few days ago it was Ogbemudia. Everyday I continue to see more and more similarities between Igbo and Bini.

I find it interesting that the very ancient language these people spoke seems to be an Igbo dialect. The Ominijie was called 'oke eze'. You also have Ominije ukwu ntiti (ominije people of small legs unable to move around much). Just saying.

It's quite apparent you don't know anything about Edo. You're not the right person to have a debate about Ika because everything you see will be Igbo in your eyes.

TellingItAsItIs:
Their names are more similar to igbo than itshekiri names are to yoruba.
Most bear conc. igbo names eg chibuike amaechi while the rest modify their names to make it seem less igbo eg onyesom nwike=nyesom wike,nwanodo=wanodo,somto=tonto,nwaneri=waneri etc.
Your The men wear ijaw attires and promote the culture of others because they failed to carve a unique culture for themselves.if they had their own cultural attires and masquerades,they wouldnt need to copy that of the ijaws.
its very shameful.

I think you're referring to Ikwerre but people here would think you're also talking about Ika. Ika bear mostly Edo names. Igbo name is only becoming predominant from few decades ago. Check the surname of majority of Ika people and see. Our culture in Ika is predominantly Edo.

oyatz:
Was Ogbakor Ikwerre convention of 1963 which defined Ikwerre as a unique and ethnic group forced to do so by Nigeria and was this after the civil war?
Why did the Ikwerres participated as a minority ethnic group and submitted petition to Willink commission of 1958 set up by the colonial government to look into the fears and agitation of the minority ethnic groups?

They're quick to talk about how Biafra and Nigerian politics made people to denounce Igbo. Ika ethnicity has been identifying as a different ethnicity distinct from Edo and Igbo pre independence era.

onila:
that crazy delta attitude

they dont act like igbos

All parts of Delta and Edo have a lot in common.

From that myth, it's clear that Satan is ojuwu in Ika but with the advent of Christianity, the word is getting replaced with the Igbo word, ekwensu. Nobody ever say ojuwu except in some rare cases where it's used to describe a very wicked person or someone that's very wicked is nicknamed ojuwu.

To call someone is hii in Ika but with the advent of telephones, a new word (kpor) has been introduced. People use hii for calls generally but when it comes to calling on phone, everybody speak kpor. There are countless of instances. This is what I was trying to explain how Christianity and many modern concepts is Igbonizing us.

bigfrancis21:
I knew this would come up. Those town names used in the article are what they are called today, which the author used. It doesn't mean those were their actual names as of the time of ominije kingdom. Probably they were different. For example, we've seen how ominije was changed to Agbor.

What was their names? Going back in time can only shift more towards Edo. But If this is, tell me why Uku ntiti won't be the present term. The Edo term is probably lost but the meaning is retained in a new term. Following your logic.

bigfrancis21:
Which is correct now?

Ominije people were called ominije ukwu ntiti...meaning ominije people with small legs unable to move around. Ominije ukwu ntiti as of hundreds of years back were already speaking an Igbo dialect, not Bini?

there is nothing like omini from Aguleri. The website is fake. I've seen the website you got that news from. A fake Niger Delta project monitoring group with a concocted interview granted by Dein of Agbor. Just like Igboid got some excerpts from a Delta State government official website with a.org and .com domain. Delta State official website is .gov extension. The truth is you guys have gone to the extent of cloning websites in your evil bid to change our history. Ika is obviously giving you guys sleepless nights.

As for the Onyibe and Iduwe, their write up is fictional and can only pass as myth. I know the myth where he got most of the things he wrote about. In that myth, Oselobue sent down Ehi (personal God) Olokun (God of the Sea) and Ojuwu (the deceiver/Satan) to create the world. According to the myth, the world started from Agbor. How do you expect someone writing how the world started from Agbor to give credit to any other groups? To achieve this, they have to distance from Bini as much as possible. But unfortunately it's not easy to write Ika history without Bini. They only end up writing Bini words and Bini names and giving all Ika origin. In some of their articles I saw, there is nothing like Ika. Ika is equal to Agbor and Agbor equal to Ika. Any other Ika clans are under Agbor and Dein is the rules of all Agbor. What a hallucinations. Other Ika clans don't agree with them.

bigfrancis21:
That is not the case here. If Ika people like you claim to not be Igbo, why do you have town names bearing Igbo in them such as Igbodo and Igbogili, which signifies something which you're not too keen to admit? Are Igbouzo (Delta state), Igbo-ukwu (Anambra state), Igbo-Etiti (Enugu state), Igboere (Abia state) etc any different from Igbodo and Igbogili? If you get my drift maybe you'll respond tactfully.

What is the meaning of the Anambra and Enugu towns bearing Igbo in their name? As for Igbodo, it's from a leave used for making Agidi, Moi Moi and other things. It was a precious leave and it's found in Igbodo in large quantity that's how the name came about. People still buy the leave till present day. You need to ask the Igbodo and Igbogili natives what their names mean before you start making any conclusions.

bigfrancis21:
What is the meaning of ominije in Bini/edo? Please tell us.

Ominijie or Ominigie means without kind.
The Ominijies operated in same manner as the Ogisos. And there was a guild known as the Ominijies and the Edoguns Odogun in Esan and other Ika clans except Owa and few others that call it Edogun in their dialect. (what Igbos call Odogwu) during the Ogiso email.

This is an excerpt from a Bini website.

In the same way that each extended family had an Okaegbee, or leader, each ward community, village, town, dukedom, had an Odionwere, who more often than not was the oldest person in the society. The community, village, town, or dukedom, organized itself into Otu (age) groups and guilds. Each Otu had seven divisions. The idea of seven started when a group of seven, known as the ‘Ominigie,’ was set up during the Ogiso era. Ominigie was a militant or warrior group that went to war for the society. According to myths, the group accompanied their war activities with music and dance and when they were eventually vanquished, it was said that they danced their way to heaven. Another group of seven was promptly set up after their demise and the rhythm of seven has prevailed since.

bigfrancis21:
If Agbor Nta was formerly called Ominije until Binis came and changed the name to Agbon, as it is said, shouldn't the Binis be held responsible for changing Ika names from what they were before? Why are Ika Bini people like Cire80 going around with the false claim that 'Igbos' landed in Ika land in the '15th' century and changed Ika town names?

Ominijie is an Edo word likewise Agbon.

bigfrancis21:
Who can explain what the word Igbo doing in an Ika town name? "Igbogili"

Can you explain what Igbo is doing in Ijebu Igbo and other Yoruba communities that have Igbo in their name?

bigfrancis21:
Could ominije probably be a dialectical variation of umunije/umuije....descendants of people in journey?? Hmm who knows.

Cire80....come and read from an Ika author, Dr. A. E. Monye about the aborigines of Ika land before the Bini migrants landed and settled in Ika land.

Everywhere I check nothing ever points to Binis being the first to 'arrive' Ika land and the 'Igbos of the 15th century' arriving later to 'change their language, town names, customs etc.'.

You're an Igbo man and you see everything from the eyes of an Igbo man. Right. All the things in your write up is Edo. And that's just a myth. When has myth become history? Here you are again trying to give an Igbo meaning to Ominijie. Even all the names of people and terms mentioned in that post is Edo. You probably don't recognize an Edo word when you see it.

bigfrancis21:
This man/woman why have you stopped to contribute intellectually but instead chosen to stoop low to profanity and curses? Have you run out of ideas, if any, to contribute such that your automatic response now to a differing opinion is to curse that person? Nigerians and debate sef.

Because you keep on repeating or nonsense.

What not do it in the car if you really need to do it

So it's only assault when a girl is at the receiving end? I think it's not assault when done on a man because the man enjoys it so If she's enjoying it, where is the assault? There are too many hateful women out there that's lost their senses in the name of fighting for women's rights. If too adults are having fun in public, you should only be bothered by public assault and not women's assault because silence means consent in this context

Smellymouth:
Arrhhh...
When army beat u, u go know say the police is truly ur friend..

stop being stupid. Anybody can beat anybody. Have you ever seen cult boys or area boys beat someone? Even police can beat you beyond recognition. Gangbeating someone is not a show of bravery or gallantry. Saying like this gives them unnecessary moral to abuse Nigerians.

Some girls can be so annoying. I've never raised my hands on girls but I've met so many drama Queens. If not that God gave me the spirit of self control. Hmm. Most girls like trouble that if there seems to be non, they sniff it out or manufacture it

bigfrancis21:
I remember someone asking here before, any difference between Ika and Bini in Ika? Probably yes, the Bini surnames of the Bini in Ika make them to stand out...so technically if they are crazy about their bini heritage (not minding the fact that majority are probably more Igbo than Bini now over these decades from their Ika-Igbo mothers, grandmothers, great-grandmothers etc.) returning to Edo state is an option where they can resettle and re-adopt their original edoid identity. Who says migration ended in the 18th/19th century?

Keep wallowing in your Valley of self deception and ignorance. You can only deceive your fellow Igbons who are mentally configured for slavery

Businessideas:
In another news,this same Ozekhome is on a corruption trial for collecting proceeds of crime. http://saharareporters.com/2017/03/15/ozhekome-ought-have-reported-payment-excess-n10m-efcc-court-told
I don't expect him to go against his 'samesame' in the Senate. They apparently want to maintain the status quo while ordinary people who steal phone is sent to 120years imprisonment while they who steal billions frustrate their corruption cases.
They will be shocked that Nigerians will recover their nation from his ilk and they will all rot in jail.

He was paid for his services. But Buhari collected proceeds from crime. Yes, Buhari your unblemished general

Killed innocent souls over a senseless war. Too bad

Ngozi123:
You shouldn't speak for the whole of Anioma when you're only from one section of it. My grandmother was from a well known family in what is now Ndokwa East and she was a proud Igbo woman- is her opinion less relevant than yours? Likewise, my people are more related to some of the Enuani speaking communities than some Ika communities are, does that give me the right to speak for them more than an Ika person?

Well, you're not from Anioma so I wonder what you're talking about. I can speak for all Anioma especially in this context because the personalities from Anioma is definite. Even you as an outsider can do too.

Curlieweed:
Tsk. tsk tsk. We are getting a bit short tempered, ain't we. You need to control yourself. Stop the name calling and admit that you launched into your tirade thinking your people were called swine. If there is any idiot here, it's definitely not me.

Well, I know you have a right to hype your ethnicity and I'm not against that. But don't do it at the detriment of others. quoting a biblical idiomatic expression talking about dogs and swines is offensive. I don't need a soothsayer to tell me you were referring to my people in that comment. Do you know such expression is susceptible to many different interpretations?

blues2022:
Don't give him the attention he is craving, nor try to educate his lousy ass. Trying to start dick measurement between Anioma and Igbo.... same old trick that ain't working no more. He is no more speaking for his Ika clan, as he claims, if at all he is from Ika. I suspect that dude is an old hag from Edo. Na me fit am. Old firewood we no wan rest. Everybody know that Anioma is Igbo, and vice versa. So a successful Anioma son is a successful Igboman. The old hag niga can hug a transformer.

I speak for Ika when I like. I speak for Anioma when I like. I'm Ika and that makes me Anioma. Ika is highly blessed with great men and women so also the whole Anioma. Read and understand what brought about the comparison. I know you guys only understand what your brain is configured to understand

Eke40seven:
No, Ciro80 and Favour 99. Same Edo person quoting himself back and forth.

When would you develop some sense?

You'll never see them shoot or arrest anybody. But when it comes to Niger Delta oil, they carry all their dangerous arsenal to destroy them even causing environmental pollution

olayinks007:
OMG dis is much nw, buh y she self wan dey show herself i front of sodjo she 4get once they put on dat uniform na super power 4 dem. Buh all dis her tatoo self na wah abi na pressing iron dem use burn her yellow paw paw skin. I feel sorry 4 her sha.

I hate people like you. Who gave them super power? Ain't they Nigerians? Is there anywhere in the Constitution that said we should fear and tremble before soldiers? They terrorize and brutalize because of people like this. The day Nigerians stop over hyping these soldiers is the day they develop some senses

Curlieweed:
1. I am not "pained", whatever the fckk that means.
2. Giving " pearls to swine" is idiomatic and doesn't connote actual swine. Although, if one had to explain that simple expression then it may be rather foolhardy attempting to educate you.
3. Regarding your statement about the accomplishment of Anioma, it would appear that a) some Anioma are proud Igbo and b) you don't have any data or statistics to back your vague assertions.
4. I don't know of any Igbos that live in caves and the archeological evidence is that the basic elements for civilization in this part of the world, (working with metals, agriculture and organized societies) were first found in Igboland.

educate your ignorance first. Don't make an idiomatic expression if you don't know the meaning. You just made yourself sound like an idiot