Kog45: Hmm,tested against Kenya in a friendly and ready for WC...my university coach discovered Vincent Enyeama,so I know much
Run away from the obvious in denial as much as you may: ANY CONSTRUCTIVELY CRITICAL THINKER AND ANALYST WILL DEDUCE THESE POINTS: HE HAD GOOD CLUB EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS A NATIONAL CAP WHERE HE DIDN'T CONCEDE A GOAL AND THE MATCH WAS A DEAD-RUBBER GAME. READING ANY OTHER MEANING TO IT REEKS OF INTENTIONAL DISTORTION OF INFORMATION BECAUSE IT COMES FROM SOMEONE YOU SEEMINGLY DO NOT KNOW.
TheSuperNerd learn to spill less rubbish and don't brand someone you don't know as a newbie Semid4lyfe here is TheSuperNerd's post even after he assumedly blocked me, he shamelessly quotes my moniker. You talk too much misinformation. Like your fellow newbie Cocony. I can see why both of you showed up in this thread at the same time.
Wollacott was always Otto's preference heading to the 2022 WC and a hand injury happened. Wheee is Ofori now in the Black stars? Where?
Also, so now you want to color up Hearts of Oak as an elite club? Asare is local and that is the point. Ati Zigi is starring in the Swiss Super League and 100% defeats your silly argument of Europe >>> Local.
Now rest and eat the L.
TheSuperNerd thinks people do not have views to air or that he has monopoly of knowledge or induced fake support. I laugh.
Kog45: Sir,I don't have energy for front and back argument...am sorry but fact, have been watching eagles as Green eagles as far back as 1980 and from 1983 am able to know more about what's going on in the field of play,just to tell you that I will never support your argument based on Nwabali club status or league....I followed the NPFL traveling watching the league....Pls who was the first choice between Dele Aiyenugba and Vincent Enyeama when they met in Enyimba?
Yes Ezenwa was not regular in NPFLwhen he kept against Cameroon
If you read one of my posts yesterday, you will know the clear answer. Dele Aiyenugba was number 1 before Vincent Enyeama arrived from Ibom Stars and if I am not mistaken whilst (Vincent) concluding or is it studying Chemistry in Uyo. [i]Dele Aiyenugba was Number 1 [/i]and was bought from Kwara Stars then. I think Kwara Stars were relegated and eventually folde
So, how was it the commencement of the preparation for the world cup?
Even all the coaches were sacked
Even Eric Ejiofor who partnered Seyi Ogunsanya in Enyimba defence in 2001 made the Nations Cup squad as an Enyimba player before his transfer to an Israel club and he also featured in the World Cup Squadlist
When I say you did not really watch the matches you are proving me right.
So, how was it the commencement of the preparation for the world cup?
Even all the coaches were sacked
Taribo West Justice Christopher Isaac Okoronkwo Garba Lawal That added to the above makes them 10 and as a matter of fact NIGERIA'S Central defenders against Argentina and Sweden were Taribo West and Isaac Okoronkwo. My dear quickberry you use Google to argue, you didn't watch nothing.
Kog45: I disagree totally....Ezenwa was not even regular in NPFL he faced Cameroon during 2018 WC qualifiers...Enyeama a rookie in NPFL was in goal against good shooters Paul Scholes and David Beckham...yes Nwabali is messing up of late but the same Nwabali of Chippa was great during last Afcon.
I will only bench Nwabali now for his attitudes not cuz of Mbeumo or Aubameyang
The statement Kog45 made:EZENWA was not even regular in NPFL. THAT WAS AND IS STILL FALSE. THE SECOND STATEMENT THAT ENYEAMA WAS A ROOKIE IN NPFL WHEN HE KEPT AGAINST ENGLAND WAS AND IS ALSO FALSE
quickberry: The same goal keeper was there for us when your Maduka dey fumble. He was the best thing after bread and beans then🤣. You guys did not remember that he was at Chippa Utd at the last AFCON. We all know what we are doing😅😅
When you fumble you get warned and eventually replaced especially if you have a tactical Coach. Ask Westerhof after the 1st round of 1994 World Cup qualifiers why he brought in Wilfred Agbonavbare from Rayo Vallecano despite not CONCEDING a goal in the 4 matches played against SouthAfrica and Congo Brazzaville after being grouped against Algeria and Cote D'Ivoire in the 2nd Round of qualifiers and yet Alloy Agu, Peter Rufai and Ike Shorunmu did not man the post in the later 4qualifiers.
quickberry: Not few times, it was his major weak point in his early days. It seems you did not watch him in his early days
Do every one a favour: produce Enyeama's videos of his 1st 4 Super Eagles appearances to prove the truth you think you are telling while I will try to get Ejide's 1st 4matches videos from the match against NAMIBIA in 2001(if I am not mistaken) so as to find out who fumbled with crosses early; since you don't want to agree with what CapitalCee prove to you that where you play matters as well as the quality of opposition you face and I will lastly add the quality of Coaching you receive. The videos can be from today onwards peradventure we have work to attend to. Not a must today alone.
CapitalCee: I watched the match, Enyeama did well, but like I said it was a dead rubber game. If we had drew or won Sweden in the previous match, and needed a result against England, Ike Shorommu would have been in goal. That match was not a pressure cooker match, so no need to panic and England only needed a draw.
In any case Enyimba has already won the league in NPFL in 2002, so Enyeama was coming from a team with winning mentlity, not relegation fodders
quickberry: They were not an elite team as at 2002. Stop this misinformation. Their rise actually started in 2002, but they were not already an elite team🙄
Their rise started in 2001 when they won the play offs(Super 4: ENYIMBA, NPA, GOMBE YNITED AND RANGERS INT'L). Some time later they embarked on an Italian playing tour where they lost 6:0 to Inter Milan and Ivan Zamorano played against Enyimba.
CapitalCee: Fredricks is not a GK, he has a Defensive leaders in Bassey and Ola Aina who who plays in EPL to guide him. And he is only on loan in that team, he only made his debut recently so will definitely move back to his parent EPL club. Nwabali on the other hand got exposure nearly 2 years now, yet hr couldnt get a move to the top 4 teams in SA or even top African teams or Europe.
To buttress your point he was loaned to Dender in Belgium and by way of ranking of leagues or quality of opposition the Belgian league is many years ahead of the South African league. The people bringing up the Fredricks case are making odious comparisons.
quickberry: About 80% of the AFCON squad were not part of the world cup preparation.
Very false information/Conjecture.About 80% of a 22man AFCON 2002 squad not going to the world cup equals mathematically 17.6 players and where .6 can no be assigned as a whole your statement qualifies as about 17 of the 22players. This again gives hint that you did not really watch them then or you have forgotten or you just want to argue. More than 8 of the 22 that went to AFCON 2022 were at the World Cup in 2022.
quickberry: Ndubuisi Egbo and Murphy Akanji were not part of the world cup preparation. It was Ike Shorunmu, Rotimi Sunday, Austin Ejide, Vincent Enyeama, Chijioke Ejiogu(the flying monkey) e.t.c
The AFCON IN 2002 was the commencement of World Cup preparation before most players were suspended. Chijioke Ejiogu of Arugo and later Iwuanyanwu Nationale was not part of the build up after AFCON 2002.
CapitalCee: The Season Enyimba lost to Ismaily 6-1. The later top that group and met tge same Ismaily in the final and won the trophy and that didnt have anything to do with Enyeama or winning mentality. That Enyimba team with Enyeama is among the greatest if not the greatest team the Nigerian league has seen
You are really drifting away from the point. I have been defending the fact that where you play for matters and as well correcting the notion that Enyimba did not have a winning mentality before Enyeama's arrival. Go back to the first quote that led to my responses and make appropriate quotes and responses.
quickberry: Maybe, you watched another Super Eagles😂
On the contrary that was not true in view of what I watched not what you read from Google. The argument is the comparison in terms of club status and attitude of ENYEAMA then vs that of NWABALI now.
CapitalCee: Enyeama was a calm head and he has already won the league with Enyimba, you cant call him a nee bee.
The Ezenwa he was mentioning was one of the most experienced GKs in the league at that time and was a first choice for Ifeanyi Ubah FC, at thst time are plsying Confredration cup
CapitalCee, it seems you are getting the explanation wrong. I corrected the error of the person with my explanation which you quoted and I rightly know Enyeama won 2002 league with Enyimba. Read through the posts that led to my answer. As per the National Team Enyeama was regarded as a newbie at the time when we had Ndubuisi Egbo, Murphy Akanji and Ike Shorunmu.
Enyimba were a force to reckon with before Enyeama's arrival having won the 2001 NIGERIAN PREMIER LEAGUE VIA THE SUPER 4 Where you play for and who you play against matters.
quickberry: Talking about winning mentality, Enyimba did not really have that as at 2002. Infact, they were beaten 7-1 in the CAF champions league, Enyeama had to feign injury after conceding four goals, Aiyenugba conceded the remaining three.
Note: My argument is, the club a goalkeeper is playing does not really determine how good he is.
False they never lost 7:1. It was 6:1 and Enyeama did not feign injury. They later beat the same ISMAILY 4:2 in the same group phase
quickberry: Talking about winning mentality, Enyimba did not really have that as at 2002. Infact, they were beaten 7-1 in the CAF champions league, Enyeama had to feign injury after conceding four goals, Aiyenugba conceded the remaining three.
Note: My argument is, the club a goalkeeper is playing does not really determine how good he is.
Enyimba had the winning mentality on the Local scene before their CAF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE DEBUT IN 2002 . ASEC MIMOSAS E ELIMINATED THEM ON THEIR FIRST ATTEMPT IN 2002. IN THEIR 2ND ATTEMPT THEY LOST WOEFULLY TO ISMAILY 6:1 BUT BEAT THE SAME ISMAILY 4:2 IN THE GROUP PHASE AND WHEN THEY MET IN THE FINALS THEY BEAT ISMAILY 2:0 IN ABA AND ONLY LOST 1:0 IN CAIRO TO LIFT THE 2003 CAF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOR NIGERIA FOR THE FIRST TIME. BELOW IS AN EVIDENCE OF HOW ASEC ELIMINATED THEM THEN AMONGST OTHER MATCHES:
Kog45: I disagree totally....Ezenwa was not even regular in NPFL he faced Cameroon during 2018 WC qualifiers...Enyeama a rookie in NPFL was in goal against good shooters Paul Scholes and David Beckham...yes Nwabali is messing up of late but the same Nwabali of Chippa was great during last Afcon.
I will only bench Nwabali now for his attitudes not cuz of Mbeumo or Aubameyang
My brother, Ezenwa was not a newbie going into the game against Cameroun in 2017 on our way to 2018 WORLD CUP. After being part of the 2007 U20 TEAM BOTH AFCON AND THE WORLD CUP FOR U20s HE HAD BEEN A REGULAR IN THE NPFL. YES ENYEAMA WAS NEW BUT NOT JITTERY AND WAS ALREADY TESTED IN A FRIENDLY AGAINST KENYA AND HAVING LOST OUT ON QUALIFICATION, THE RIGHT THING ANY COACH WILL DO IN HIS 3RD MATCH THAT WILL NOT CHANGE THE TURN OF EVENTS AS PER QUALIFICATION IS TO GRANT APPEARANCES TO SOME OF HIS PLAYERS. ENYEAMA WAS NOT JITTERY, COCKY NOR DID HE DISPLAY ARROGANCE TOWARDS ANY OF HIS CAPTAINS IN THE SUPER EAGLES.
CapitalCee: For those of you cstigating me for being critical of Nwabali, you guys are just being emotions not realistic. The truth is that any top level manager will not play Nwabali as his first choice GK with his performance and attitude within the last year.
1. Against Lesotho in the penultimate game, players like Lookman, Osihmen, Ndidi and I think Moses knew we needed more goals and were playing to that target. But once we scored that penalty you see Osihmen going to pick the ball to quickly restart, but Nwabali was wasting time. Even when Akor scored the second goal you can see these players baying for another goal. Nwabali instead gave away a goal and almost gifted them the equaliser.
2. Versus Benin, at 2-0, Nwabali was not aware that we needed 4 goals. He was already delaying the game and showboating. Infact they had to send someone from the bench to warn him to stop wasting time at 3-0. He repeatwd this delay tactics in our home game against Rwanda when we scored.
MY CONCERNS: A footballer who is unware of the position of his team is very dangerous on international stage. Someone like nwabali may not have known the tiebraker rules and that might cost us at crucial stage. Now even if we do not necesarily need goals to progress. A home game agaisnt teams like Benin, Rwanda and co. 1-0 is never enough. Infact 1-0 versus these teams at home is a poor result normally for tthe SE. But when you hve a keeper from bottom based Chippa united, 1-0 is always enough.
3. In our game against Rwanda at home, Nwabali commited 3 red card offenses, and 2 penalty offences, unprovoked, in a FIFA organised match. Lol. In our game against Benin, he was harrasing a Benin player who just challenged for the ball and finally dropped the ball which based on the rule of the game it is a goal, in a match where the margin of error is very slim. Like in this video in the unity cup when he commited an error, and also the error that led to the Lesotho goal, he was blaming others refusing to take responsibility.
MY CONCERNS: The attitude of violence agaisnt opponents need to be eradicated completely from the SE, Sani Kaita cost us in 2010 due to this. Nwabali is a ticking time bomb, he is always unaware of the situation and importance of occasions, he just acts out of place no matter the situation. And when the leader on the pitch Ndidi cautioned him on 3 ocxasions, in 3 different matches he disrespected Ndidi. We need to eradicate that attitude too.
Given all thses, he doesnt need to be the first choice.
jihday: this isn’t exactly true, South African league was not very good then but it wasn’t exactly inferior to ours, by 2002 Orlando pirates already won the CAF champions league while we were yet to have any
The 2002 CAF Champions League was the 38th of the CAF Champions League, the Africa's premier club football tournament prize organized by the Confederation of African Football (CAF). Zamalek of Egypt defeated Raja Casablanca of Morocco in the final to win their fifth title.
Cocony: Once upon a time a certain Willy Okpara left the shores of Nigeria to become the Number One man at Orlando Pirates and was instrumental in the Club and by extension South African Club first African Triumph. You are on point my brother and that is why I still maintain he is subpar. That someone is subpar does not mean the person cannot improve or go to greener pastures
Willy Okpara played for ACB Lagos from 1987 to 1989 before moving to South African side Orlando Pirates. Okpara was the club's first choice goalkeeper from 1990 to 2002, losing his place to Congolese goalkeeper Michel Babale during 2002–03 season, then becoming an understudy to Thabang Radebe and Francis Chansa before retiring in 2005. He holds the record of Pirates' appearances with 375 matches, and is also the club's longest serving player. He was part of the 1995 CAF Champions League winning team.
jihday: this isn’t exactly true, South African league was not very good then but it wasn’t exactly inferior to ours, by 2002 Orlando pirates already won the CAF champions league while we were yet to have any
I stated earlier that Willy Okpara had won a trophy with and for Orlando pirates in 1995/96. That therefore was not in doubt but where were their Clubs in 2002-2005 seasons?
Amedino99: the keeper from chippa united was quite sufficient in our afcon final run facing angola, south africa and cameroon. Why should gabon be the almighty exception now
Back in the early 90's there used to be a book we read authored by Nyengi Koin. The title of the book which should answer your question is: TIME CHANGES YESTERDAY.
GABON'S ATTACK OF THE WORLD CUP QUALIFIERS SUPERCEDES THE PALANCAS NEGRAS, BAFANA BAFANA AND INDOMITABLE LIONS ATTACKERS OF THE AFCON AT THAT TIME.THIS IS NOT OVERESTIMATION BUT CORRECT ESTIMATION HENCE OUR NEED TO SUSTAIN THE BENIN TEMPO OR EVEN BETTER IT(IMPROVE IT). WE DON'T NEED EXTRA TIME WINS BUT RATHER FULL TIME WINS(3:0 or 4:0) AND I STILL OPINE WE SHOULD IMPROVE ON OUR FREEKICKS AS CONVERTING THEM INTO GOALS CAN PROVE CRUCIAL.. Spiffy Queenjazz, CapitalCee,Forgiveness,Semid4lyfe, Chriskels what do you think?
Either this Nwabali goes to therapy or Chelle replaces him with Okoye for the time being. He's a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. I just pray that the day he finally blows up, it won't be during competitive games like the playoffs, AFCON, or in a World Cup game (if we make it).
quickberry: Where was Enyeama as at 2002? He was at Enyimba, go and check his performance against England at Korea/Japan world cup.
1)Enyeama was at Enyimba, yes a team that topped and was topping a competitive Nigerian League at the time for which the South African league paled in comparison then on the Continental front. 2)Enyeama's first game if I am not mistaken was in a 3:0 friendly against Kenya, then maybe against Jamaica(correct me if Jamaica was not inclusive) and afterwards the 3rd match against England(0:0) after we had been eliminated via a 1;0 loss to Argentina and a 2:1 loss to Sweden previously. 3) Enyeama from his debut all through the qualifiers for the 2004 AFCON never put up silly performances nor exhibited seeming attitudinal issues and was very instrumental after the World Cup in Enyimba's back to back continental triumphs. Same cannot be said for Stanley NWABALI.
BankyGee: You got your wish. He held his ground 🔥🔥🔥🚒🚒🚒
Not really a wish but evidence of his exposure to threat from better strikers than is available in South African League. Making a good case for Maduka Okoye.