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derecho:
OK o.
All I'm saying is don't be bitter against the igbos( a whole tribe) because of a few soldiers assuming it actually happened.And don't stereotype people. They're good and bad people everywhere.

Ko ju be lo

they also attacked Ore, for them to attack Ore means they also attacked the Binis but you don't hear the Binis screaming marginalization.


as long as people like you who don't see anything wrong in killing people of a different ethnicity than you are still alive then I have to continue to protect myself and ethnicity and there are millions like you..

I am not bitter against the I:gbos and I don't stereotype people.. I profile people..

I know and accept that people will put their ethnicity first but people like you call it bitterness when you meet someone who put their own ethnicity and interests first and that's greedy and evil of you.

people like you that cannot condemn your fellow igbo men for killing yoruba indiscriminately that are filled with bitterness and the fact that you're even saying "assuming it actually happened" shows your bias, bitterness and hatred towards Yoruba people..

you even started speaking Yoruba just to deflect and you also started hiding behind the "They're good and bad people everywhere" excuse..

you're a stone cold violent Igbo supremacist ...

derecho:
Kikikiki...I love all good detribalized people- igbos inclusive. Abeg change your mentality sha.

you're the one who needs to change mentality because you don't see anything wrong in an I:gbo soldier killing Yorubas indiscriminately.

derecho:
Ori e pe....thank you and enjoy your Saturday.

embrace your igboness.

derecho:
Well, if you know me, I seldom ignore people even if I feel they aren't making sense.For me, it's respect and I believe there's a lot to be learnt from those considered foolish. I only refrain when the discuss isn't adding value.
I can be passionate about issues but I'm mindful of who I am.

Now away from me to you.
You assume a lot....but I find it humorous sha.
At least ki a pon yin le

from what you've written , I know all I need to about you..

derecho:
You don't know me.. I would have continued discussing with you but I found that you are so opinionated and assumes a lot.In your mind anyone who doesn't view things your way must be either an om'ale or IBO.
To be honest, I don't like people who are bitter.

you're a pro at deflecting..

you're accusing me of what I'm accusing you of...

you're still discussing with me as long as you keep replying my quotes

you are the bitter one..

you didn't see anything wrong in a person who was indiscriminately shooting at Yoruba women and children and even killing his superiors just because they were Yoruba...

you're like b:uhari if not worse...

isan:
So this leeds coach think he can go toe to toe with premier league big boys , if guardiola ever coach a team that can't spend billions this is how he will be exposed

at least you're indirectly admitting Bielsa will do better with a better team.

derecho:
You should be doing comedy...But please work on your temperament...kai...you sure say you no be IBO? Because agidi IBO leleyi o

now you're speaking Yoruba just to deflect from your violent I:gbo supremacists ideologies.

derecho:
Kikikiki...Igbo supremacist because i want you to use your brain?
OK o

I'm using my brain perfectly..

you're incapable of hypnotizing me with your gibberish...

derecho:
Ore otito na...
You don win ....Mabinu .. I just gave you a like.

you see your problem, for you its about winning while for me its about facts..

this is not about winning,

its about preventing you from rewriting Nze:ogwu's violent and igbo-supremacist history..

derecho:
I actually stopped reading when I got here.
An objective person would have found out more...and asked some questions.
Anyways, let's leave it at that

you will only stop reading because it doesn't fit your narrative and you're talking to someone more objective than you.

an objective person will have read the whole comment but like I said you're a violent pro-igbo supremacist so you're automatically against anything that does not fit your narrative and anything you can't rewrite to confuse and convince naive non-igbo people.

derecho:
Oga , are you sure you wrote this on a public forum where you have intelligent realists?



This is comparing oranges and apples, friend.The issues are not even the same.
Comparing America with Nigeria? Na wa for your analysis sha

like I said, you have a long way to go...

You're an I:gbo supremacist whose trying to be clever by half..

derecho:
Oga be objective na...so if a Yoruba soldier does same in the North, he automatically becomes a pro-Yoruba nationalist?

It's not a matter of non-igbos being fools.it's a matter of perception.
Once a person is biased, he is likely to see everything through a jaundiced standpoint.
For example, an igbo person who believes Yorubas are fetish would never believe a Yoruba Pastor no matter how clean he comes.

The nzeogwu you are even mentioning wasn't in support of Biafra Try to read up about him.

I am a very objective person... the killing of Yorubas by Nzeogwu happened in the north...

so if a Yoruba soldier does it then yes that soldier is a violent pro-Yoruba supremacist not nationalist... the important word here is violent...

you can be pro-igbo, pro-yoruba e.t.c. and not be violent especially violent towards other ethnic nations.. but the problem is most Igbos who are pro-igbos and most ful:anis who are pro-fu:lanis are violent towards other ethnic nations and are supremacists and they want to practice their supremacy outside their ethnic regions..

How can one of the main igbo soldiers whose supremacist actions led to the coup and civil war not support Biafra

that's like saying because a ful:ani soldier is married to an I:gbo woman and the ful:ani soldier shoots indiscriminately at unarm ig:bo women and children then that fu:lani soldier is not a pro-fu:lani supremacist just because his married to an Ig:bo woman.

you see your logic

derecho:
You clearly don't understand what happened. It's unfortunate that the coup was daubed "Igbo coup" because of the key officers involved.

E be like you don't understand what it means to be marginalized. Azikiwe ruling Nigeria doesn't detract from his people being marginalized thereafter. Even the Fulanis in power today can be marginalized when Buhari leaves.So let's not dwell on that

You don't know what marginalized means...

It is impossible to marginalize an ethnic nation that has a region to itself or is the majority in a region..

It is not marginalisation when Buhari leaves because that's what government and politics is about, there will always be change of staff and ministers when a new president is elected.

The people and ministers that worked with Trump are no longer at the white house but to you that means Biden is marginalizing them.

You have a long way to go

derecho:
Now you are taking it far..so because according to the article you read, killing some Yoruba soldiers by an Igbo,who wasn't even a Pro-Biafran, the crime must be on the Igbos?
Friend, free yourself of bitterness and be objective.

Nzeogwu was OBJ's guy and never supported Biafra

So somebody that kills Yoruba soldiers who were his superior then shoots indiscriminately at unarmed Yoruba women and children is not pro-igbo or pro-biafra to you.. you must think I'm a fool and this is another issue most Igbos have... They feel non-igbos are fools..

By his actions he was violently pro-igbo and pro-biafra..

derecho:
In a layman's language, it is keeping a person in the margin NOT allowing him in the center. Take a look at your exercise book and see the margin created.


That said,
do you think the Southwest won't feel marginalized if the same thing meted out to the igbos was done to them? Do you honestly think, Yoruba nation wouldn't have been birthed by now?

Igbos have been in the center many times.. Nnamdi Azikiwe was the first president of Nigeria from 1963 - 1966..

why will the Igbos do a coup when they already had the president..

even after the civil war, many igbos have served as vice presidents of Nigeria under military rule...

so they have never been marginalised..

derecho:
And why wouldn't a Yoruba man say the bolded?

By the way, provide the link to the italicized

did you even read my comment to the person I quoted...

will you praise a group of thieves as brave for killing your parents

if you want to read the italicized. go on google and type kaduna nzeogwu then click on the wikipedia link then go to the sub heading with "Execution" as the title.

derecho:
Wow @ the bolded. We learn everyday

derecho:
Wow @ the bolded. We learn everyday. So this is the new meaning of marginalization?

what is your meaning of marginalization

derecho:
If any tribe has ever experienced war in their homeland. It is the igbos. So they know and ordinarily won't want war.What I think is the matter is the marginalization and hate. If after the war and loses, the Igbo man still opt for secession even if it ends in another war, then know that they know that it's worse to
stay with those who hate them. My prayer is that it doesn't get to that because the length and breadth of Nigeria will feel it and it wont end in 30months. Africa sef will feel it.

Though, I don't see why we need to go our various ways but I hate slavish existence. If you want them to be part of Nigeria,then treat them as one

Igbos are not marginalized..

the way Nigeria is structured, ethnic nations that control a state can never ever be relegated, igbos control at least 5 states, the states means indigenous government officials ( Igbo officials ) will always receive funds.

If Igbos were marginalized then that means that since 1970 they have not received any allocation from the FG and they have never held any federal government political appointments..

Vado:
Shut tha fork up and stop preaching crap to the Igbos. They have proven their bravery during the Biafran war [/b]and they certainly don’t have a problem standing for their cause. [b] Even as a Yoruba man , I respect that. Mistakes obviously were made in the past, chiefly by Aguyi Ironsi for this unitary bullcrap but that doesn’t stop people with sense to initiate processes to right the wrongs. Freedom comes at a price and if it’s blood it’s going to take, so be it. Even Christ cleansed us with blood.

Let people chart the course for their destinies and quit being a lilly liveried alarmist.

No Yoruba person will ever say the bolded...

below ( gotten from wi:ki ):

"According to a Nigerian Police Special Branch Report, nzeogwu executed at least 4 army and police security personnel including one of the men on his team (Sergeant Daramola Oyegoke). nzeogwu also participated in the execution of Col. Raph Shodeinde, his superior officer at the Nigerian Military Training College and is reported to have shot indiscriminately at fleeing women and children.."..

the statement above shows pure hatred for Yorubas and a lot of igbos all have this similar behavior towards Yorubas..

the aim of the Igbos like Azikiwe, Ironsi, Ojukwu e.t.c. was to control the revenue of other regions especially the western region ( Yoruba region ), that's one of the reasons why Ironsi abolished the regional system of government.

In summary, the bravery of the Igbos in killing Yoruba soldiers, Yoruba men and women and children is what you say you respect.. if truly you are Yoruba then you are a disgrace to the Yoruba nation..

If you don't know anything about what started the civil war then don't say what you don't know...

Kingsolar:
Got a tier two name on nameworth, advisable I register it ?

no.

submit for review in SH or BB first before registering any name unless the name falls into your own idea of a brandable or geo name.

SH have rejected tier-2 names have submitted to them..

iyapont:
it doesn't,thousands from that side are trooping in to south west everyday,doing their things here in peace

They are doing their things in peace but it wasn't like that in the 1960s.

below ( gotten from wi:ki ):

"According to a Nigerian Police Special Branch Report, nzeogwu executed at least 4 army and police security personnel including one of the men on his team (Sergeant Daramola Oyegoke). nzeogwu also participated in the execution of Col. Raph Shodeinde, his superior officer at the Nigerian Military Training College and is reported to have shot indiscriminately at fleeing women and children.."..

the statement above shows pure hatred for Yorubas and a lot of igbos all have this similar behavior towards Yorubas..

flokii:
This calls for sober reflection not jubilation in my own opinion.. the SW states receive so little yet generate so much in revenue while tiny regions like SE get ×5 of what states like Oyo get as allocation and yet still can't develop. So why are they collecting the allocations? where are the monies generated from SW entering in the SE and other parts of North??

This country is really drawing Yorubas back and we need to sit down and think.. nitori ojo ola awon omo wa.

The North are the least contributors to the economy but they are everywhere in top key positions mismanaging resources and revenues generated from South. Isn't that incredible.

IGR goes to the state.. so it goes to state government employees.

pharmaking:
The unhealthy rivalry I see on this forum between south east and south west must not translate into reality. This country go just burn.
On the flip side again, it brings liveliness to the forum.
On a more serious note sha, I think it is not worth it anyway.

It already translated into reality as it was part of the reasons for the civil war..

I hope you are watching Villarreal vs Juventus..

Chuks wing is quite weak and it's the other wing that's leading the attack..

Anytime the ball goes to the other wing at least 3 Villarreal players went to support unlike the way S.E players left Simon alone against at least 2 defenders..

JohnBullMySon:
Oga their duty is to develop grassroot sports generally and development of young people. Check their Act of establishment and definition of statutory powers and duties. If you don't know the role of your government ministries you'll keep on blaming the wrong people all the time. The ministry doesn't fund NFF. NFF is obligated by FIFA to be self reliant so as to avoid government control. But due to inability to meet that. The Federal government gives NFF something called Subventions or Intervention fund. NFF sole job is to support and regulate the national team as well as professional football in Nigeria.

Go and read your legislative acts your senators and reps wrote and amended. They're not there just to collect salary and share bags of rice in your village.

How can a federation support and regulate the national team as well as professional football in Nigeria without developing grassroots

that's like saying parents should only support and regulate their children and its the job of the government to develop the children..

COOL10:
Are you seriously trying to paint Nigeria as a saintly and sanctimonious nation? Are you really trying to draw a false image here? Is that what you're trying to do? Are you fvvcking kidding me right now? Who are you trying to deceive? Do we look like ignorant people here?

We're talking about one of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

We're so holy but we're number two in the world when it comes to paternity fraud.

We're so respectful but people still have the mind to rape women in God's church.

We're so caring but we kill cats on a daily basis because we think they're witches and wizards.

We're so honest but every year we pay for runs when our children want to write exams.

We love to criticize politicians but we keep quiet when a family member becomes one.

See don't even get me started. I don't want to derail this thread.

Nigeria is not corrupt, Nigeria is greedy... European countries are more corrupt than Nigeria they call corrupt.

Most Nigerian women usually get pregnant for their boyfriends before they marry so that paternity fraud rank is very fake..

women get raped in europe and U.S..

Only a section of the country thinks cat are wizards and witches... there's a stray cat on the roof of the bungalow beside my house and no one has killed it..

Only a section of the country pays for runs for their students..

Nigeria's problem especially southern Nigeria's problem is lack of ownership of companies and relying on FDI while northern Nigeria tries their best to use their favorite billionaires to own companies. because the person who owns the company keeps the profits so more foreign owned companies means foreigners take the profits out of Nigeria and this under-develops Nigeria... more northern Nigerian billionaires owned companies means northern Nigerian billionaires take the profits out of southern Nigeria...

so politicians aren't the problem, the problem are the governors who can't build state owned companies so that they can keep the profits.. for example, what will it cost Bayelsa, Rivers and Akwa-Ibom to build state owned oil companies and keep their profits and also get 13% derivation.

Danielnino00:
You guys are being unnecessarily petty...
Going after foreign borns isn't an issue.... I don't know what angle thegoodjoe is getting at, but for me, the NFF shouldn't be spending so much resource just to convince one or two foreign born players to represent us when such resources could be channelled into developing our grassroot football back home . It appears that the NFF don't have much interest in developing our grassroot football, which is unfortunate, seeing as it has always been a source of pride for us.
See, I'm also a big basketball fan and I support our national team passionately.. The men and female team is filled 95% with foreign born players and i totally support it.. Why? because we aren't a basketball playing nation! We don't have the talent and resource for it.. But you see America, we have plenty of people there who develop the passion for the sport back there . But the same can't be said of football... The NFF shouldn't, in the in their relentless pursuit of FB players forget their primary responsibility of developing our football back home..

Nigeria is a basketball playing nation...

In Universities and stadiums, people play basketball in their free time, even Lawn Tennis and Table Tennis..

Nigeria's major problem is creating and maintaining a league structure annually and the reward system...

the reward system is important because it also affects our Football with players complaining about bonuses not been paid and some Nigerian officials who think and believe Nigerian athletes shouldn't be rewarded at all same reason Nigerian officials took phones and other gifts that Japan rewarded all athletes at the Olympics.. the reward system will be different in countries.

If a University hosts a football competition and says every person who can make their Department team even those on the bench will get ₦1,000,000 everyone in the department will go for trials..

JohnBullMySon:
You can't tell them their job. There are laws, acts and statutes already. Football development at the grassroot level lies with the ministry.

the sports ministry is a ministry for all sports not just football so football development is not business...

their duty is to provide funds to the NFF and other federations to develop their sports...

Unfortunately , most federations presidents are protected by their international federations so they can't be sacked or else Nigeria gets banned...

In the end, its all politics..

yinkeys:
Na Germany connection Na
He follow Gernot Rohr speak language

COOL10:
I'm sorry to say but you have a very narcissistic mindset and you need to stop it before it eats you up; especially if you have intentions of going into coaching full time.

Excellent knowledge of the round leather game but poor man management skills. Same thing destroyed Oliseh.

Whether you like it or not, Nigeria will always remain second choice to 99% of these foreign born players and the last thing you can do is to blame them.

What has Nigeria ever done for them? What has Nigeria ever done for their families? Is it not the same Nigeria their parents ran away from? Is it not the same Nigeria that is known for poor treatment of its players: both old and new?

What is so attractive about our football both on and off the pitch that they should feel so excited to commit to?

Why do you feel so entitled to their loyalty when you contributed absolutely nothing to their growth?

Or you want them to commit just because you are Nigeria and you feel you are worth it

We should even be ashamed to still call ourselves the Giants of Africa. We lost that attribute a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

I used to blame these foreign borns a lot but I sat down and had a rethink. I am against BEGGING them but you can't tell me that trying to convince them to weigh their options and choose us is a bad thing.

Ashleigh Plumptre made Nigeria her first choice...

Nigeria educated their parents.
Nigeria gave their parents jobs which their parents used to save up enough money to be able to migrate legally and seek permanent residency...
Nigeria gave their parents a network of other Nigerians like them in the diaspora to relate with..
Nigeria gave their parents a stable life so that when they migrate they can also have a stable life there and avoid police troubles..
Nigeria ensured their parents were mentally stable and healthy to teach right from wrong..

How many Foreign Born Nigerian players parents call them out the same way Ainsley Maitland-Niles mother was calling him out in the media

How many Foreign Born Nigerian players have you ever heard that they have been accused of rape or beating a woman

How many Foreign Born Nigerian players have you ever seen their brother or relative recording them beating a cat


that's due to their Nigerian parents upbringing..

charlesemeka85:
sports development in general is the sole responsibility of the ministry of youths and sports not the nff

JohnBullMySon:
I agree with you. But honestly, truth be told, it is not the job of the NFF to develop our grassroot football. It has never been their job. They can't even do it because they lack the finance. It takes a lot of money to achieve what is needed. Ahbi is it the cost of flight ticket to England and hotel or Airbnb to visit Olise that will be used to develop grassroot football?

Grassroot football is the responsibility of the sports ministry. It is called the Federal ministry of youth and sports development for a reason. The name is not a mistake. Go to their website and see their proper role. NFF is primarily for care and regulation of professional footballing activities in Nigeria and concerning Nigeria. That's why they visit our National team players often. Sports development is merely in a supporting role.

Whether it is due to corruption or lack of finance that made the ministry forget their duties, I don't know. The only thing they seem to know how to do is fight with pinnick over who becomes the SE coach. They'll leave their job to do another man's job.

It is the responsibility of the federations to develop grassroot sports and not the responsibility of the sports ministry that's why the sports ministry funds the federations.. the sports ministry can also participate in grassroot football development but that is not its responsibility...

It is called sports ministry so it has to participate in all sports grassroots programs not just football.. Its the NFF job to focus on football development and regulation.

charlesemeka85:
you said it all

Those against luring of diaspora born players are just emotional but for an enterprise to flourish one has to get rid of such mentality

A good example which is normal in Nigeria is employing your friend or relative who is not experienced or qualified for a particular post in your establishment at the expense of a top professional with years of experience just because of mere sentiment of helping a relative

By doing such your are doing your business no good and the chances of grumbling is high

If the govt or private sector invests in football by building academies or stadiums..

roads that will lead to the academies and stadiums will have to be built and everyone will benefit from the infrastructure.

If we rely on foreign players then that means no infrastructure will be built by the government and Nigeria will continue to rely on private academies.

This is not a case of employing your friend and even if it is a case of employing your friend then that friend or relative will be qualified because people who own companies will not be friends with uneducated people.

If you graduate with 4.8gp in accounting and my relative or friend graduates with 4.1gp in accounting then my relative or friend will get the job because they are also qualified for the job and I own the company so I decide who to employ.. and that is the advantage of the quality of your network and is also the same reason FBs like olise and eze and iwobi will get a club in the England before HBs like Nwakali and Sadiq and Awoniyi..

chrisooblog:
I appreciate your concerns about the risk of the national team being populated with mercenaries like the Kevin Prince Boateng's of this world but the brutal reality is that if we want to stay competitive we would need the foreign based contingent to seriously beef our ranks.

The foreign born players get early and quality coaching unfortunately our bright young stars don't get.

Football like someone said has gone fully scientific. Even when you discover talents local talents you still have to rely on foreign clubs to polish them something most foreign born players have already under gone.

It's good we continue to groom and encourage our young talents but not shun the talented foreign guys too. These two approaches can be adopted simultaneously. The important goal in all of this is getting the best players to rep Naija. No single approach should be followed so single mindedly that the quality of the team suffers i.e. giving chances to a local prospect who is yet to live up to expectation while ignoring a genuinely talented foreign born player who might need just a little convincing.

Maduka Okoye had not lived up to any expectations before he was called to the S.E