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Odunayaw:
You are deceiving yourself and clapping for yourself at the same time

that's thegoodjoe in summary...

what he said to you is similar to what he said to me sometime ago.. he will always stylishly and cunningly claim your points as his points not knowing that his deceiving himself...

TheGoodJoe:

That was my point from the start. You can not expect international franchises like Swansea and Manchester city to operate like a local francise as Enyimba.

Finito.

TFLASHOGEE:
they are international franchise bro Manchester city is owned by Arab's, same as Newcastle they can decide to ignore English nationals and employ Arab's no one will hold them for doing what they deem fit for their franchise, if dangote had succeeded in purchasing arsenal would you call it Nigeria franchise because it owned by a Nigerian

England has a quota for English players. Every european league has a quota for it's indigenes.

They can never ignore English Nationals.. the first thing they did when they bought it was hire an English coach then buy English players.

Dangote is not English. Look at what's happening with Abramovich. England and any European country can stop any non-english or non-european businesses from operating at anytime and close their bank accounts.

TheGoodJoe:

That was my point from the start. You can not expect international franchises like Swansea and Manchester city to operate like a local francise as Enyimba.

Finito.

they are not international franchises... they are England or european or American franchises, so they will put whyte people from England, Europe or America first before anyone else...

TheGoodJoe:

I said State Civil Service will employ strictly State indigenes, while a company like Shell, despite being sighted in a State will employ from other States, including foreign expatriates.

Your post showed Shell employing a chunk from the Niger Delta. Not just from a particular State. Still employing from across the country and even expartriates.

Your post proved my point without you knowing.

Finito.

nope, it doesn't..

Shell is a foreign owned company and only foreign owned companies do those things...

If an Ijaw ( could also be Nigerian ) billionaire or Ijaw consortium owned the oil company then it is under no obligation to hire foreigners or people from other states..

If a foreign corporation or billionaire owned Enyimba that is how they will operate but if an Igbo billionaire or Igbo consortium owned Enyimba they are under no obligation to operate that way..

Its the same way Dangote is building a refinery in Lagos, despite been a Nigerian, Dangote is not an indigene in the SW so his companies have to hire Yorubas... unlike if the company was based in northern Nigeria...

I didn't prove your point..

finito..

TheGoodJoe:

I hope you know this agrees with my point.

It doesn't agree with what you said.

kingphilip:
So who will pay the staff relocation fee and accomodation fee if for instance the non Igbos are employed from say Lagos?

That depends on the agreement with the company. Most Nigerians that relocate abroad pay for their visa, flight tickets, accommodation and feeding e.t.c

The company will send an employment letter, whether they pay for flight tickets, accommodation and feeding e.t.c will be in the agreement signed with the employee.

Not everyone has employment letter before they relocate some relocate then start applying for work when they get to the country which means they'll pay for everything by themselves from their savings or family back home until they get a job.

TheGoodJoe:

The point is simple Civil Service State job and employment in Shell. Shell will be less discriminatory in their selection, unlike the State Civil Service Employment. When I called Enyimba local, I did not mean it in a derogatory manner, if it sounded so. I am talking about the scope of recognition and manner of operating things.

Note, Shell has white expartriates, working in Nigeria in mass.

According to shell's website over 66% of their staff are from the Niger Delta area even though to me it should be 90%.

Shell depending on Whyte expatriates is due to the agreement they signed with Nigeria left to me the expatriates job should be to transfer knowledge to people from Niger Delta states then quit the job. Only 4% of their staff should be foreigners.

Other oil producing countries have their indigenous companies running and operating their oil industry because the person who owns the company takes all the profits and since it's owned by indigenes the profits stay within the country.

Shell N:igeria will pay foreign employees and still take billions of dollars ( trillions of naira even though I'm sure it's in euros or pounds ) in profits back to their own indigenous country and this affects Niger Delta states badly.

Normally Akwa-ibom will have its own oil company, bayelsa will also have their own and each of the oil producing states are meant to have their own version of Shell but since Nigeria wants to practice "one Nigeria" a lot of things that are meant to be normal will not be done and this leads to high unemployment in Nigeria.

Other foreign owned companies are also guilty of this..

BascoVanVeli:
Fatai Osho, Abdu Maikaba, Gbenga Ogunbote and Usman Abd’Allah all coached Enyimba in the past decade.

I said it will favor Igbos meaning over 90% of the staff will be Igbos and they will be considered before anyone else.

I didn't say they will not employ non-igbos.

TheGoodJoe:
You are looking at it because Enyimba is still a local team. If Enyimba is an international franchise competing for global domination. If Cooper was better, Enyimba will pick him. If Amunike was better, he will get the nod. Even Boca is still local. No top coach is going there.

isan is right. He is not looking at it as a local team. To him the word local means indigenous while to you it is a derogatory word.

Even if Enyimba is an international franchise it is still a local club in Nigeria and will favor Igbos before any other Nigerian.

In case you don't know, one of the reasons for having your own country or ethnic nation is to be first choice before anyone else is considered.

This is something a lot of Nigerians fail to understand or acknowledge.

The same thing happens in companies.
the owner/CEO will put people that have the same ethnicity as him/her as first choice before considering others.

That's one of the reasons Nigerians ignorantly scream unemployment is high when in reality they are the ones searching for jobs in companies that are not owned by people who have the same ethnicity as them or they leave their ethnic nations and search for jobs outside of their ethnic nations.

lovewins:
I understand Nigeria's history bro.

To your point, if we would rather prefer those with whom we share an ethnic heritage with above other parts of the nation, why then do we hold those in th west to a higher standard? Isn't it logical that we clean house first?

No one holds those abroad to higher standards.

lovewins:
An average Nigerian has a better chance at success in the "racist" UK than he does in his homeland. Can we just look inwards and not throw the race card every chance we get.

This part of your comment is very wrong and it created the problem that led to the civil war and will more problems politically if it's not addressed and respected...

Nigeria is a combination of different ethnic nations whose geographic location and indigenous lands are located within Nigeria.

Yoruba nation is not the home of non-Yorubas even if non-Yorubas live and work there , Igbo nation is not the home of non-Igbos even if non-igbos live and work there e.t.c

The term Nigerian is not an ethnic description of anyone.

Nnamdi Azikiwe hid behind "Uniting Nigerians" to give federal government jobs that are meant to be given to qualified indigenes to Igbos and this created animosity between indigenes and Igbos and after some months or years indigenes and igbos started killing each other which eventually led to the civil war..

Bu:haree is hiding behind "one Nigeria" to build RU:GA or new local government areas for f:ulanis and his other tribes:men all over southern Nigeria despite the fact that southern Nigeria has smaller land area than no:rthern Nigeria and this has also created animosity between indigenes and f:ulanis and other No:rtherners and also after some months indigenes and fu:lanis started killing each other which has led to an underground or covert civil war been fought in Nigeria even if Nigerians don't want to admit it.

To answer your quote:
Most Nigerians are first successful in their ethnic nations or the SW of Nigeria before leaving Nigeria. It's the higher salary and security that motivates Nigerians to leave Nigeria not lack of success.

SensualMan:
Two Ugly yoruba people. Remove those nonsense on their heads and u'd shout Jesus!!!

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Schemerkhiz:
I wished she had scored one of those one-on-one chances..
I still see her wining the League golden boot cause Barcelona will most likely feed her with the balls so that she can get those goals as they have already won the league... 3 game's left though

Imagine she was out for two good months and she was only surpassed by just a goal... Imagine if she didn't injure before...

hopefully she doesn't get injured again for a while..

S.F should have special training for her and some other players that are getting injured often so that she doesn't get injured while on international duty...

the S.F trainer that let her get injured should be changed and a personal physiotherapist should attend to her while she's with the S.F...

OKOATA:
Everyone will die but we are being realistic here, the pain and the eventualities of them dieing is more painful, tormenting, expensive than a normal human being, they don't usually live till old age. It's just a mere probability if they do.

Where did you get that image from

I know of an SS woman who is almost 60 and she's alive while her husband that wasn't SS has passed on...

BascoVanVeli:
This is her first game back

Doesn't matter..

She needs to learn how to lob the keeper.

She also needs to learn how to do feints or fake shots when she's one on one.

She also needs to learn how to push the ball towards her right side or left side when she's one on one.

Dmacqh:
This is not a true story , though I’m not ruling out this type of event .
All I’m reading here is awareness of sickness cell anemia as regards to partners of both AS or AS , SS , pregnancy and child bearing .
Thanks for the awareness. Let those who have ear hear .
At least I’ve learnt somethings from the write up .
1) Determining the genotype of a baby in the womb.
2) The name of the test to be carried out .
Good luck to all the AS and SS genes . Nature happened to you .
Till now it’s painful whenever I remember the death of one of my relatives . He died at 27 of sickle cell.
RIP Tochukwu.

Nature didn't happen to AS and SS..

It is due to lack of government regulations against the birth of SS babies.

Due to a man and woman who know that they are both AS deciding to have children and hoping on luck that they don't have SS children.

OKOATA:
Bros I'm ignorant thanks but I know all of these things you are saying, I'm just being blunt and factual about what may become of most of them, I knew about others that were males that died, they weren't really falling sick but still died, one of my sister's friend also died while in labor, it's mostly one complications to the other. I don't want to be perceived as a negative person but the reality on ground is that they eventually die if you don't have the means to altar the effect since the drugs are very expensive.

Everyone will eventually die not just sickle cell carriers..

You can say that sickle cell carriers that don't manage their crisis episodes can pass on earlier than expected.

OKOATA:
The experience I saw is what I'm saying, someone thats always sick how do you expect him to eat.

they are not always sick, what you call always sick is in reality been in pain... there's a difference between been in pain as a result of internal blood clots blocking the circulation of blood in the body which leads to the shutdown of vital organs in the body which then leads to death and falling sick as a result of cholera or malaria...

most sickle cell patients are lean not because they don't eat but because due to their SS genotype their bones don't naturally grow big ...

You saw only one sickle cell patient and you're using that to judge all other sickle carriers... that's very ignorant...

your comment is very ignorant...

VillageBus:
Peeps here have already talked about these players you listed and everybody agreed they played poorly, but if osimhen name is mentioned you and your fellow osimhen fanboys will start comparing him with other players.

Moses simon missed a big chance- yes he played badly
Osimhen missed chances- according to you it wasn't his fault.

I'm not a fan of any footballer or celebrity, I am a fan of me, myself and I...

Nobody talks about the other players I listed... If they are not blaming Osimhen then its foreign born they will blame , they will not blame the coach and coaching crew...

You're saying everybody played poorly so who is to blame for everybody playing poorly

Kog45:
I got your point wella code man....but are you saying Osimehn in Napoli is always isolating when it comes to attacks build up.

Osimehn professional cares goals 47 goals while Tammy 89 goals,are you saying Osimehn has not find the right coach to maximize his potentials.

Yes even in the S.E, Osimehn is always isolating when it comes to attacks build up that's why he is usually offside, he stays around the last defender or the defense line too often but in the last match against Roma he was dropping deeper than the last defender but not to midfield and was more involved in the build up and wasn't offside often...

he has found the right coaches since his move to Chaleroi,..

BannedLarge:
As for now, Osimehn is a young and decent striker that’s capable of becoming World class. If he admits his weakness and improve on his weakness, he will can become world class.

Osimhen is no longer young, by the next world cup he will be 28 years old... his already world class and even world class players need other world class players around them to bring out their best...

BannedLarge:
You’re blaming our coach for osimehn non scoring vs Ghana in 180 minutes while the likes of Sadiq and awoniyi were destroyed on this site during the group stages of the ANC for not scoring on their debut

its the coach that creates the tactics and formation that will create chances for the strikers to score. Moses Simon missed a big chance vs Ghana in the first leg nobody is talking about Simon not scoring and not creating chances, nobody is also talking about Chukwueze, Aribo, Dennis not scoring... like Its only Osimhen that will attack, win tackles and defend...

when Liverpool, Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid or Man City play any of their forward players can score and assist goals even their midfielders ,

but when it comes to the S.E you want Osimhen to turn to superman...

Sadiq and Awoniyi missed clear chances.

Kog45:
Sir,this is not about Eguavoen formation but Osimehn and Tammy comparison in seria A and how the duo does their things.

How strikers do their things depends on formation and the amount of chances created for the strikers. Tammy has played more games than Osimhen and gets other players involved in attacks unlike Osimhen because Tammy has a strike partner and an attacking midfielder or false striker behind him.

drDoom3:
To make it easier to understand:

Daka is a good CF. He is one of the closest strikers to Osimhen you can find. Aggression, pace, poaching, name it.

Iheanacho is benching him at Leicester. Why? He is not technical enough. Everyone is fast in the EPL, so pace is not enough. You need to be able to link up play, spray passes, make intelligent decisions in tight spaces etc.

Osimhen cannot curve a shot. The last time he scored from outside the 18 was Atalanta with a low shot that the keeper flopped. All standard EPL strikers can score from outside the 18, can curve a ball into the top corner etc. These are the simple things.

Osimhen plays with Insigne so Osimhen is definitely learning or has seen how to curve a shot he just hasn't added it to his game..

That's why he needs to learn how to drop deep and sometimes to midfield and hold the ball so that he can allow other players run ahead of him.

Osimhen is technical, just that most Nigerians and most Nigerian sports journalists are trying to make him the scapegoat instead of admitting that most Nigerian local coaches are below average and local coaching and coaches need to improve.

BannedLarge:
My friend Osimehn hasn’t shown or proven anything that he is better than Tammy. Go and view Tammy CV vs Osimehn CV and see who has more goals. Mind you, they’re around the same age. Nigerians are deceived by running or fighting spirit/sentiments instead of analyzing based on empirical data. Osimehn showed me his true character vs Ghana. In over 180 minutes, he couldn’t score against Ghana. This season, he hasn’t scored against any big team whatsoever

What you're calling "running or fighting spirit/sentiments" is called " pressing " in football and that's how Nketia scored his 2 goals against Chelsea this night.

Nigeria conceded cheap goals against Tunisia and Ghana due to lack of pressing from Nigeria's midfielders and defenders..

if the Nigerian midfielders and defenders had Osimhen's pressing or "running or fighting spirit/sentiments" mentality then those cheap goals won't have been conceded.

JohnBullMySon:
Asides England, I don't know of any other European country that conditions your work permit on the number of National team games you have played as a non EU citizen. I think those EPL rules were even removed last year post COVID.

You may have a point, but being born in Nigeria doesn't necessarily make you an automatic victim of circumstance. Do away with that mentality. You could be limiting yourself if you start thinking like that.

Been born in Nigeria with the ambition of becoming a footballer who wants to play in Eng:land automatically makes the person a victim of circumstance.

He is talking about Nigerian youths who want to become footballers and go directly from Nigeria to England, only Ihenacho has achieved such.

He is not talking of Nigerian youths who want to become accountants engineers doctors etc.

superbloke:
I think the only thing Osimhen needs to be clear of Tammy is the technicality. At the moment, Tammy trumps Victor in that aspect and that is what gives him the edge. There's only so much speed and aggression can do for you (and I think Victor has more speed). A highly technical player will make up for that deficit with cerebral play.

What is this "technicality" you guys keep making noise about??

The only difference between Abraham and Osimhen is that Abraham drops deep and holds the ball which allows other players to run into scoring positions which leads to assists

While Osimhen doesn't drop deep and doesn't hold the ball and his usually trying to beat offside trap which means he doesn't wait for and allow other players run into scoring positions.

Abraham, Ihenacho, Awoniyi, Sadiq , Dessers, Moffi play similarly.

Give Osimhen a strike partner like Sadiq or Awoniyi or Ihenacho or Yira sor or Dessers or Moffi then put one of Ihenacho/Aribo/Iwobi/Awoniyi/Nwakwali behind them then at least 3 midfielders and you'll bring out Osimhen's performance.

Which is exactly what Mourinho does with Abraham who has a strike partner who also drops deep then another player behind them then 4 MIDFIELDERS not 1 midfielder as was the case with Eguavoen's formation and tactics.

MYND44issaSMOKER:
One Bitch down....

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Kog45:
Osimehn in Manchester utd is bigger than Osimehn in Napoli no matter the situation....I thought man utd played this season champions league and Napoli Europa.

CR7 is the main center forward at man utd. Osimhen can't bench CR7 so that means they will change his position to winger..

Osimhen should not move to any club that already has a center forward playing every week.

Kog45:
Okay depict this......

Codemaniacs...Osimehn how about your injury

Osimehn....go and ask your Papa.

this will be due to his poor Public Relation management and poor education and regarding Nigerians as lesser than him ( e.g pride ) ..

that's one of the reasons he needs to be subbed off early when playing for S.E until he reduces his pride..

mostob:
Seriously man....are you in anyway referring to the Ikpeba' s comment?

yes

Kog45:
Code man,your last paragraph summed it all

Sir,Osimehn is not yet there,Napoli is a big club in Italy and only known for signing Diego Maradona,nothing more.

I want to see Victor Osimehn in Real Madrid,Barcelona,Bayern Munich,Man utd,Arsenal,Chelsea,Man city,Liverpool,these are real clubs that can gives Osimehn real platform.

Disrespecting ex eagles,he should go and read about our own Etim Esin and Tarila Okoronwanta,also about David Ginola,Eric Cartona,Paul Gascoigne,these are players that hate criticisms,despite the talents they failed to fulfill their potentials.

Ikpeba criticism was fair enough and mind you he did not singled out Osimehn for blame against Ghana,funny enough he said this as a pundit.He should know that as a player,his performance on the field of play is subject to public scrutinies.

Right now and with the competitions they qualify for, Napoli is bigger than Arsenal, Man Utd has started struggling for Champions League and Europa League positions.. S.E needs players playing in the Champions League and Europa Leagues season after season..

If Napoli guarantees European Football every season then Osimhen shouldn't move to clubs that will bench him... he already has a real platform in Napoli...

I say he only needs to improve because he is young.. left to me, he his already "there" as long as he is starting games..

if his going to change clubs then he should move to one where he will start often..

Barryseal:
The former players are disrespecting him? Can you imagine

the former players were and are looking for scapegoats when the main person they should have been calling out was their friend Eguavoen, his lack of midfielders, his coaching tactics and his coaching staff..

they could have also said Osimhen should have been subbed off and replace earlier..

the only sensible thing they said was that Osimhen should control the ball more often instead of trying overhead kicks..