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MansoryMX:
I know where you wanna go with this. Israel practices the ancient method of Christianity. Christianity is rooted in Second Temple Judaism. Automatically Israel is a Christian nation with Muslim population about just 16% at West Bank region. So shift abeg!

be deceiving your ancestors Here.

U think the person u talking is mumu like u.

this people don't believe in Jesus,have u read the Talmud about Jesus and Mary?

they don't believe in Jesus sonship or godship!

they don't believe Jesus is the messiah

they don't believe in new testament


so don't come to deceive Your self here

CSTRR:
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how come they haven't wipe isis from middle East?

MansoryMX:
Oga shut up if you have nothing sensible to say abeg. It’s too early to exhibit stupidity

how is isreal a Christian nation?

Danny50:
Isreal will wipe them within a day... You dont dare with the chosen ones and a country after God's heart.

then why haven't they wipe them since they have been fighting them?

longetivity:
Christian and Muslim nation' wants to fight

how is isreal a Christian nation?

enilove:
The kabah was not built by Abraham and Ishmael . It is a pure lie that any wise person could detect.

Why would God ask Abraham to build a house for idol worshippers ?
Why can't we find such building in Israel ? Or was Abraham not worshipping God b4 he died ?
Why would God build a house 2000 years before He will start to make use of it ?
Why was it after Umar suggested the use of Kabah that Muhammad and Allah remembered it was built for Allah ?
Why will Allah be sharing the same house with the idol worshippers ?

EVIDENCE THAT MUHAMMAD KILLED AND MURDERED .
Hadith
Narrated Humaid:
Anas bin Malik said, "Whenever the Prophet (ﷺ) went out with us to fight (in Allah's cause) against any nation, he never allowed us to attack till morning and he would wait and see: if he heard Adhan he would postpone the attack and if he did not hear Adhan he would attack them." Anas added, "We reached Khaibar at night and in the morning when he did not hear the Adhan for the prayer, he (the Prophet ) rode and I rode behind Abi Talha and my foot was touching that of the Prophet. The inhabitants of Khaibar came out with their baskets and spades and when they saw the Prophet (ﷺ) they shouted 'Muhammad! By Allah, Muhammad and his army.' When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw them, he said, "Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach a nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned."
Sahih al-Bukhari 610
In-book : Book 10, Hadith 8
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 11, Hadith 584  
I KNOW YOU WILL LIE AGAIN . THIS IS SAHIH.

YOU ALSO WANT AN EVIDENCE THAT MUHAMMAD RECITED SATANIC VERSES IN THE QURAN .SEE BELOW :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)
ASBAB AL -NUZUL
The commentators of the Qur'an said: "When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, saw that his people were shunning him, he was aggrieved by their rejection of the message he brought them and he secretly wished that Allah, exalted is He, reveals something to him which would bring him and his people closer to each other, keen as he was to see them accept faith. One day, he sat in one of the congregations of Quraysh which attracted a huge number of its members, and he wished that Allah, exalted is He, does not reveal to him on that day anything that might repel them from him. Allah, exalted is He, revealed to him then Surah al-Najm (By the star when it stetteth…) [Surah 53]. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, recited it but when he reached (Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other) [53:19- 20], the devil put on his tongue what he had secretly wished and hoped for and said: 'These are the mighty cranes (gharaniq) and their intercession is hoped for'. When the Quraysh heard this, they were very pleased. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, carried on reciting until the end of the Surah and then prostrated. All the Muslims followed suit and prostrated, and all the idolaters who were present prostrated too. All those who were present, whether Muslim or disbeliever, prostrated except al-Walid ibn al- Mughirah and Abu Uhyahah Sa'id ibn al-'As who were too advanced in age and could not prostrate, but they both grabbed a handful of dust and put their foreheads on it. The Quraysh then dispersed, happy with what they heard. They said: 'Muhammad has mentioned our idols with complimentary terms. We know that Allah gives life and takes it away, He creates and provides sustenance, but these idols of ours will intercede for us with Him. Now that Muhammad has associated them, we are all with him'. That evening, Gabriel, peace be upon him, went to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said: 'What have you done? You recited to people that which I did not bring from Allah, glorified is He, and you said what I did not say to you'. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, felt very saddened and was greatly scared of Allah. And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse, upon which the Quraysh said: 'Muhammad has regretted what he has mentioned regarding the status of our idols vis-à-vis Allah'. And they became even more antagonistic than before". Abu Bakr al-Harithi informed us> Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn Hayyan> Abu Yahya al-Razi> Sahl al-'Askari> Yahya> 'Uthman ibn al-Aswad> Sa'id ibn Jubayr who said: "The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, recited (Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al- 'Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other) upon which the devil projected on his tongue: 'These are the mighty cranes and their intercession is hoped for'. The idolaters were pleased. They said: 'He has mentioned our idols'. Then Gabriel, peace be upon him, came to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said: 'Read back to me the speech of Allah'. When he read it to him, Gabriel said: 'As for this I did not bring; this is from the devil'. And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed (Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations…)".

THE SAME INTERPRETATION IS GIVEN BY JALALAYN.

MUHAMMAD WAS AN IDOL WORSHIPPER.

ask your questions one by one
I've already told u before

GreatThings:
This Pastor is a Lawyer from the University of Lagos, gotten his Maters from the London School of Economics which we all agree is academically rigorous to some extent. He has had a whole career in law that is scrutinizable, and not vague in any sense.

Just pointing out.

pantami is also a graduate

enilove:
You are an habitual liar .
I showed you an evidence from your authentic book that Quran was revealed in 7 dialect and you are still saying it was revealed in one dialect. Have you drank camel urine ? What is the matter with you? Here it is again :

Hadith
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:

Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

SAHIH Muslim 821 a
In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789

how is recitation make something an error?
U failed to answer this.

enilove:
There was no Quraysh version and other versions .

so u try to change history right?

enilove:
The only one that was in circulation was the one Abu Bakr and Umar ask Zaid bin Thabit to compiled . People had been having problems with the recitations b4 the Quran of Abu Bakr was compiled.

heheheehe where is the evidence of this?

enilove:
There were different recitations during the time of Muhammad which caused differences among his followers.
Despite this , the Quran is still full of blunders and errors till date.

and u still haven't show me the error.

Even there are different recitation today,the way we Yoruba recite all Quran in Your language is different from those of Nupe,hausa and so on.

enilove:
You also lied that there is only one version of the Quran . What about '' Wsrsh version '' used in Algeria , Morocco , Tunisia , Sudan.

show me where their meaning are different! Like I show yours

enilove:
There is also the Hafs versions , which is more common around the world .

show me where they have different words.

enilove:
There are more than 30 versions with differences in there compositions and various contradictory errors .

evidence pls

enilove:
For example , the Hafs version in Surah 43 : 19 says '' They are slaves of the Most Gracious ''

heheheehe hafs was not a quran translator to English so how come did u see this?

enilove:
While the Warsh version says '' They are with the most Gracious ''.

Which one should we take ?

warsh was also not a quran translator to English.

Nigga pls show me evidence if this.

Plus the verse u quote is doesn't exist like that in quran 43:19

U know I don't suppose to answer this?
I've told u that u should answer small questions.

enilove:
Allah is not God Almighty.

have u tell that to Arab Christians and Arab Jews?
Cos u are here showing your ignorance.

enilove:
Had it been he was, he would not have listened to Muhammad to reveal the Quran in 7 dialects , because he would have known beforehand that it will create error and mistakes which would lead to burning of the Quran at last.

I swear u have problem.
I already told u why the other Qur'an were burned but your senseless brain and lost mind won't make u accept.

U that your Christian God is real,how come bible versions ain't the same?

enilove:
Uthman had to correct the mistakes of your moon god Allah by burning the words of Allah .

mistake?


So writing in different dialect is mistake?

Is there different between
Nigga and nigger
You and thou
Police and polize?

enilove:
Hadith

Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:

Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

Sahih Muslim 821 a

In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789

and how is this make quran an error?

enilove:
Islam is a man made religion for many reasons:

wow u that your own came from Yahweh
Give me evidence of this from the Bible

Going to Church on Sunday
Clapping and dancing in church
Where Jesus or Yahweh commanded you to be Christian.
Where did Yahweh commanded you to go to Jerusalem every year

enilove:
--A goat ate the Quran

I've been asking u,do goat in your father house eat Paper?

enilove:
--The Qur'an was burnt

correction boy other dialect text different from Quraysh were burned so all the world Muslims would be reading in one text.

Wasn't Bible burned too?

enilove:
--The Qur'an was abrogated ( Changed or abandoned ) to cover-up the lies embedded in the revelation.

mumu u are if a verse was abrogated,it mean a new law would replace it.

enilove:
--Some revelations like adult breastfeeding and temporary marriages were cancelled by followers of Muhammad . Saying , '' this can't be from God ''

Al Quran doesn't back it so I can't follow but u have to follow this though

If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26

enilove:
--Satan was gave Muhammad satanic verses to recite and to bow down to the 3 daughters of Allah.

typical Christians apologetic and lie

Evidence of that from the quran or form authentic hadith.

enilove:
-- Muhammad was the only bewitched prophet in history.

he is human
But Jesus was slapped too

John the Baptist was beheaded

Job had terrible disease

Jonah was swallow by wale

Even Bible lied that noah slept with His two daughters,what an insult.

And devil carry Jesus to the mountain too.

enilove:
-- The hadith's are not reliable although they are called '' authentic'' .

the hadith that are reliable are called authentic bro

enilove:
-- Allah and Muhammad could not perform any signs and wonders like the God of the Bible.

Haaaa mumu so sign is what make u reason like a dumb nigga like This?

Even sorcerers and babalawo are perform signs!

What is special In it?

enilove:
In Islam , innocent babies can go to hell.

u still ain't giving me evidence for this

It is only in Christianity u will hear that we inherited sins from Adam.
Explain what Elisha did to little childrens.

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. "Get out of here, baldy!" they said. "Get out of here, baldy!"

He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
2 Kings 2:23:24

Some of the signs and wonders of your god u talked about earlier.

enilove:
-- Muhammad had to kill and enforce people to accept Islam

evidence of where he enforced people to Islam and evidence of where he kill people with his hand.

There is no compulsion in the religion; right-mindedness has already been evidently (distinct) from misguidance. So whoever disbelieves in the Taghut (i.e. false gods, idols, devils and seducers) and believes in Allah, then he has already upheld fast the most binding Grip, with no disjunction (ever); and Allah is Ever-Hearing, Ever-Knowing.Quran 2:256.

enilove:
-- Islam practices are the same with the pre Islamic period of idol worshippers. They converted the Kabah used by idol worshippers to Allah's house. They tawaf Safah and Mawa like the idol worshippers.

lol that kaabah was built by Abraham and his first son Ishmael in mecca they used to worship In it,after many centuries they passed away,the idolators hijacked it before Islam collected it back

enilove:
They kiss or point to the black stone during hadj.

kissing black stone is nothing.
We just adore it.

U that your Christianity aint the same with pagans.
U worship Jesus pagans worship human.

U sacrifice an human while pagan do the same.

enilove:
--The crescent moon and star sign at the top most mosques is a sign that Allah is a moon god .

heheheehe that cresent was introduced by ottoman empire,it is nothing and not all mosque put it in top.
Among His signs are the day and the night, the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them ˹all˺, if you ˹truly˺ worship Him ˹alone˺. Quran 41:37

But Yahweh said he is sun.

For the LORD God is a sun and shield Psalm 84:11.

enilove:
People had been worshipping the moon and stars even b4 Judaism and Christianity ..

and Some are still worshipping it today

enilove:
Are all these not pointing to the fact that Islam is of the devil ?

hmmmm u that that yours ain't from devil.

U failed to answer this question

How did judas Iscariot died according to Bible?

73 books of Protestant and 66 books of Catholic.

Which one is original?

gaius01:
Arrrrrrrh

Pantami is an islamic terrorist !! Quran 9:11
He should resign !!!

You don't give power to a religious extrimist!! He can over rule the system with his selfish mindset to favour his loyalist. Imagine an iman holding a crucial position, like we are in muslim country..

Buhari is deluded not only so, he is not wise.

but pastor can be vice president right?

enilove:
Why would Muslims be fabricating lies against Muhammad?

some of the Hadith were collected from jews and Christians pretending to be Muslims and some Muslims rulers that want to use it to their benefits.
While some were collected from deceivers,this happened like 500 years after the prophet death.



And why Christians are fabricating lie on Jesus too?

enilove:
Anything written that is disgraceful are said to be weak .But you Muslims are just fooling yourselves . Truth is is a guide while neglect of truth is disastrous.

not all people are mumu like y'all.
Even if they are hadiths that are good and they said prophet Muhammed(saw) says and evidence showed that it wasn't prophet Muhammed,then we Muslims we still reject it.

For example this hadith

To love ones own country is a sign of Iman

This hadith is weak and fabricated.

enilove:
Uthman burnt all the different versions of the Quran to rewrite a new one in the dialect of the Quraysh ?

there is already Quraysh dialect before,quran was revealed in Arabic of Quraysh.
He burnt the ones in wrote in persia dialects and so on.

The Noble Quran was revealed in one language and that is Arabic. It has only one original Arabic copy. Arabic 1400 years ago had 7 dialects. There exists today one original copy of the Noble in Saudi Arabia today. A copy of this original copy also exists in Turkey today as well.

When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishi dialect. The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound.

The Quraishi dialect was the most popular dialect in the Middle East at that time, and is today the dialect used among Arabs who speak Proper Arabic. The dialect that books teach at schools is also a Quraishi dialect today.

Back in the Middle East 1400 years ago, the Quraishi dialect was not the only one used among Arabs. There existed 6 other dialects along with it, but as I said, it was the most popular.

It is very important in the Islamic faith that when we recite the Noble Quran, we recite it in the Quraishi dialect or what we call today in the proper Arabic. We can't pronounce for instance "th" as "sa" or "za". We can't pronounce "la" as "laman". We can't pronounce "ja" and "ga", etc...

enilove:
a) Why did he burn all ? Was there no one written in the dialect he wanted ?

nigga dialect he want?

Nigga This isn't about dialect he want,it is about how Muslim ummah will be reading in one dialect.

The Quraysh one wasn't burnt.

enilove:
Are there no one in Quraysh dialect that could be maintained?

I don't understand that your question.

enilove:
b) If Allah is true God , why did he not tell them to maintain only the recitation of the Quraysh?

stupid question
So Allah will come down to talk to them as if they are prophet.
Or are u saying they should not maintain,so we can be confused like u confused Christians?

Why are Christians like stupid questions,why can't u say that same to Yahweh when Bible are being tampered with?

enilove:
c) This means Uthman was knowledgeable more than Allah , Gabriel and Muhammad:

what a dumb nigga?

enilove:
d) What was the sense in recitation ? If the Quran had been written as they came , would there be need to burn them due to errors?

who told u try burnt it because of errors?

enilove:
Hadith

Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:

Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

Sahih Muslim 821 a

In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789

keep searching Google for your confusion.

I have already answer u on recitation before,so I won't repeat the answer.

enilove:
An excuse that a tamed sheep ate the Quran under a pillow is a lie as you can see.

Do sheep in your house used to eat Paper especially the one under pillow?

enilove:
Why did the wife of your prophet lie ? To cover up those nonsense said by your prophet. She knew Muhammad was a liar that was why she felt she could lie about anything to cover up.

why would she lie when she wasn't the one that actually said it?

enilove:
Muta is wrong for many reasons . Why did Muhammad approve it ? This is Sahih. Is that fabricated also?

mutah has different meaning it is not only about marriage and mutah dont mean temporal.

And what knowledge do u have to say it is wrong?

enilove:
Hadith

Ibn Uraij reported:

Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar.



Sahih Muslim 1405 c

In-book : Book 16, Hadith 18

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3248

the prophet banned it after war of Khyber but some hadith said it was practiced during his time and UMAR banned it

Muhammad b. 'Ali narrated on the authority of his father 'Ali that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited for ever the contracting of temporary marriage and eating of the flesh of the domestic asses.

So this hadith contradicted this.

But who are u to say nikah mut'ah is wrong?

If she is consent to it,is it your problem?

It is better than being a prostitute.

The problem is how shia nowadays are using it to commit adultery by marry for 3 days .

And this marriage don't have fixed time.

enilove:
ABOUT THE ERRORS IN THE QURAN:



---THE FIRST MUSLIM. You said Adam was the first and other ones are also first in their times, which I disagreed by reminding you that Muhammad Ishmael came b4 Muhammad and Muhammad said no warner was b4 him. You asked me to give you an evidence . Here it is :



Allah SWT said:

"And We had not given them any scriptures which they could study, and We had not sent to them before you, [O Muhammad], any warner."

(QS. Saba 34: Verse 44)

Wow I know where u are going.
Allah was talking about The pagans of mecca.
They was no scriptures sent to them before, Al Quran and they was no Warner sent to them.

Prophet Ismail was only a prophet and a messenger not Warner because during his time ,his people weren't associating anything with Allah and those he lived with were new settlers.

Before u became a warner to your people
It is either your people are doing what Allah don't want or associating something with Allah.
Can u tell what prophet Ismael warned his people for?


Warner is different from prophet because u can be a warner without even be a prophet.

enilove:
THIS SHOWED MUHAMMAD WAS NOT THE FIRST PROPHET AS HE CLAIMED .THIS IS AN ERROR

where did prophet Muhammed said he the first prophet?


Why are Christians remove their brain before they ask questions?

Your questions even contradicted
FIRST muslim
Warner
Prophet

Nawa for u ooo

enilove:
--- Surah 51:49 . Tell me any Tafseer / Tafsir that agrees with you , if there non , then you are a liar and that makes it another error.

no need of tafsirs for this.
I have already explained it to u maybe it is u that is blind to understand simple English.

And of all the things we created in pair.

All the things we created in pairs is different from we created all things in pair.

enilove:
--- Mary. You want me to show you evidence about the father of Mary :.

yes where did Bible mentioned father and mother of Mary names?

enilove:
Exodus 6:20 KJV

And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years..

what is this all about?

enilove:
Allah SWT said:

يٰٓأُخْتَ هٰرُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ امْرَأَ سَوْءٍ وَمَا كَانَتْ أُمُّكِ بَغِيًّا

"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 28).

I already explained this to you.

enilove:
Mary was called sister of Aaron and was also called the daughter of Imram / Amram .What a Big historical error..

sister
Sister of blood relation and daughter of imran his father.

Who is Mary father in bible?
Oh u want me to believe in this Bible story?

NO it is this same Bible that called isaac the only child of Abraham.

enilove:
How many times do you want me to show to you where Muhammad said baby might go to hell ?

Hadith

A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:



Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c

In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  .

where is it say baby are going to hell there?

enilove:
Any hadith that says otherwise is just confirming to the contradictions in your books..

because Hadith are from human not God
So it can be contradicted just like bible.

enilove:
You said Jesus lied? He did not lie.



John 7:8 KJV

Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.





John 7:9 KJV

When he had said these words unto them, he abode STILL in Galilee.



He clearly told them he was not coming for now and after waiting for sometime , he later went. How was that a lie. He simply did not want them to know the exact time he will be there..

New International Version
You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come."

New Living Translation
You go on. I’m not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come

Contemporary English Version
Go on to the festival. My time hasn't yet come, and I am not going."


Bible is what causing confusion to all y'all niggas.

enilove:
As per the Biblical errors . You can't call them errors per se because they are fabricated versions .

heheheehe
Fabricated

But see I'm not stupid like u cos if I am I would have ask you what was Yahweh looking when Bible was being fabricated.
The same book u relied on to take u heaven
On error

Anywhere where there is omitted verses or contradicted verses is nothing but error

Which version of Bible is free from errors?
KJV

Heheheehe because of KJV countless errors
Many versions of Bible were wrote to revised it.
,

enilove:
I still have more than 52 errors in the Quran also

u are just splitting saliva since

enilove:
Again :



Allah SWT said:

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 86)



Do you believe the sun sets IN A SPRING OF DARK MUD ? Does it move to a resting place?

oh that is what u want to say about this ayah?

Do Allah says sun set in muddy spring?
No


The verse says qhul kharnain found the sun as if it is set in muddy spring.


What the verse states is that Dhul-Qarnayn found/saw/perceived the sun setting in a body of water, which would obviously be the case when he travelled as far west as possible until there was no more land to travel on. Just as one can easily do if they visit the sea-side and watch the sunset.

Is like when u are traveling on road during the sun,u wine seeing something like water on the road.

enilove:
Hadith

Narrated Abu Dharr:

I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).



Sahih in chain (Al-Albani)

Sunan Abi Dawud 4002

In-book : Book 32, Hadith 34

English translation : Book 31, Hadith 3991

Abu Dawood

[b]there was two narration about this hadith form Abu dhaar

This is the first One
It was narrated by al-A‘mash, Yoonus ibn ‘Ubayd, Moosa ibn al-Musayyab and Haroon ibn Sa‘d. In this report it says that the sun goes and prostrates beneath the Throne or before its Lord; there is no mention of a spring of warm water. It appears in several versions, of which we will mention one here:



Narrated Abu Dhar(same man)

The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah:
Then the prophet recite this ayah[/b]


"And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38)


And this is the common Hadith because it was recorded in saheed Bukhari no. 3199, 4802 and 7424 and sahih muslim no159
And scholars of hadith agreed on authentic on this hadith.

Now let look at the second hadith

It was narrated that Abu Dharr said: I was riding behind the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when he was on a donkey and the sun was setting. He said: “Do you know where this (sun) sets?” I said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “It sets in a spring of warm water (innaha taghrubu fi ‘aynin haamiyah).”



Narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad (35/363); Abu Dawood in as-Sunan (no. 4002); Hafs ad-Doori in Juz’ Qiraa’aat an-Nabi sall Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam (p. 123); al-Bazzaar in al-Bahr al-Zakhaar (9/407); as-Siraaj in his Hadeeth (3/258); al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (2/267) – he said: This is a hadeeth with a saheeh isnaad, although they (al-Bukhaari and Muslim) did not narrate it. All of them narrated it via Yazeed ibn Haaroon, from Sufyaan ibn Husayn, from al-Hakam.

Al-Bazzaar said: We do not know that anyone narrated it from al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah, from
, from his father, from Abu Dharr except Sufyaan ibn Husayn. Yoonus ibn ‘Ubayd narrated it from Ibraaheem at-Taymi, Sulayman al-A‘mash and Haroon ibn Sa‘d.

So From the above it is clear that the version of the hadeeth of Abu Dharr which is most likely to be correct is the first one, in which it says: “It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne”, in which it makes no mention of it setting “in a spring of warm water (innaha taghrubu fi ‘aynin haamiyah).” This is based on several factors

Cc enilove
Nigga if want to ask me questions,just let it be few cos I don't strength to answer this many your questions during fasting and pls stop asking senseless questions.

And I ask u small questions but u u are asking many questions,u ask small questions I answer and I will ask my own

supportnija:
Nothing concern me , having SHARIA means you have a country in your country, I mean you will operating two laws, SHARIA and the circular law... I wish you all the best.

Muslims are already practising Sharia

enilove:
Why should you have faith in fabricated books ?

who have faith in fabricated book?

Hadith is not book but a collection of words after the prophet have gone!
Some are real and authentic while some are weak or fabricated.
If it is weak or fabricated,we Muslims reject it.

Al Quran is 100% belief.

enilove:
Qur'an was burnt because of errors and the uthman version is no longer available. The Hafs and other ones are recitations according to what they feel they should write down.

heheheehe your friend segenaija has already tried this your own logic and he failed,i have already told u why uthman ordered all the Quran scripts be burned,so it is your problem whether you believe or not.

It is because he wanted it to remain in Quraysh dialect it was during the time of prophet Muhammed(Saw).

Quraysh dialect is the Arabic Quran we are using and Quran revealed to prophet Muhammed in Quraysh dialect.

The hafs and the others u talked about are same with maybe different writing style in some places except it ain't the same with the fake Quran Christians are printing to deceiving people.

enilove:
The hadiiths are either weak or okay according to you Muslims to hide the truths.

how many time I'm I going to tell I it is fabricated?

enilove:
The issue of breast feeding shows who Muhammad was . What about the case of temporary marriage ( Mut'a / prostitution )?

shia do mutah not all Muslims.
Marriage is about love not contract in Islam.

And why did u called mut'ah prostitution?

They did marriage but the Only bad thing in that is that they are marry for specific time which is wrong in islam.

enilove:
You Muslims don't practiced adult breast feeding because it is a shameful thing. That is why you keep asking me , '' what was abandoned or abolished '', as if you don't understand the question.

why would I practice it when there was no law that says I should practise it?
And the hadith that backed it likely fabricated.

enilove:
Like I said , where is the surah for it ? Ate by the sheep of Allah?

no surah for it and how many time u want to hear?

enilove:
Hadith

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed

[1], and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it."

common logic will tell u this hadith is weak.
How can sheep eat a paper especially under a pillow?

How do sheep enter and check pillow?

This is pathetic.

enilove:
[1]: <i>These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.</i>



Hasan (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944

Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2020

Sunan Ibn Majah

heheheehe even if it is abrogated,it supposed to be in Al Quran and we supposed to see the law that abrogated it but we didn't see any of It.

enilove:
ABOUT THE ERRORS AND CONTRADICTIONS/ERRORS IN THE QURAN.

u still ain't quiting about the error and contradictions of Quran?
Keep it coming then

enilove:
--The story of Lot -- You might be right.

what u mean I might be right?
I'm right,not everybody fall for the deception of you Christians.

enilove:
--The first Muslim? - You are wrong because , Ishmael was b4 Muhammad and Muhammad claimed no warner was sent to his people b4 him .

where did prophet Muhammed said no Warner wasn't sent before him?
I need the place.

Muslim is who submitted to the will of Allah.

enilove:
-- The sun set in a place -- Your failure to answer this is an indication that it is a BIG ERROR.

u just post a verse and I don't understand,tell me what u think about the verse.

enilove:
--The surah 51:49 is a clear evidence that the writer of the Quran cannot be God. Even your scholars all agreed that the Quran is saying that , ''everything was created in pairs.

bro stop being dumb,u understand English clearly aint u?


And of all the things we created in pairs

In Yoruba if u understand it

Ati awọn n ti a da ni meji meji

Different from

We created everything in pairs.

A da gbogbo nkan ni meji meji

enilove:
-- That of Mary isn't about descendants Mary was called the daughter of Imran who was also the father of Moses and Aaron:

in islam her father was imran and her mama was hannat.

Islam never mentioned the name of prophet musa sister and father.

Plus Bible never mentioned the name of Mary father and mother too,so how do u know mary father aint imran?

enilove:
Allah SWT said:

"And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient."

(QS. At-Tahrim 66: Verse 12)

even she was called the daughter of imran many time in Al Quran.
I don't have problem with my Quran.

There is Joseph the father of Jesus and there is Joseph the son of Jacob,same name different people
so why having problem with two people bearing " imran" plus QURAN never mentioned the name of Moses father.

enilove:
Another contradiction is the issue of a baby in the hadith a quoted earlier and the one you gave above on the same issue .

where in the hadith the prophet said children are going to hell fire?

enilove:
I gave you an evidence from your book , you called it ''weak'' and rejected it . I gave you another one which is strong , you rejected it and brought forward a '' weak '' hadith to counter my claim . You can see your hypocrisy now.

heheheehe Hadith is hadith different from Quran and not all of it are true.

enilove:
Your Taqiyyah tactics will land you in hell.

I keep asking what is the meaning of taqiyyah?

enilove:
All liars are candidates of hell fire.

oh like how Jesus lied that he wasn't going to festival and he eventually go? John 7

Bro u are sweet to debate with

enilove:
If you say the Bible is corrupt , why did Muhammad swear by the Bible and why did Allah say the Bible is not corrupt ?

show me the place where prophet Muhammed (saw) made mentioned of Bible and show me where Allah say bible is not corrupted!

If not corrupted,sebi u saw it with your two eyes where three versions bible in the same verse were saying different record about David,not even only that,let me give u another shock

Plus u failed to tell me how judasi dead and did judas returned the money he collected?


Let me give you another shock


King James Bible

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village-Luke 9:56

Now in another Luke 9:56 in another Bible version


New International Version

Then he and his disciples went to another village-luke 9:56.

The same verse,different statement.


Another one for u bro.

King James Bible
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost- Matthew 18:11

In the same verse

English revised version omitted it.

-------------
Matthew 18:11

OkCornel:
Ever since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they had knowledge of what was wrong (evil) and what was right (good).

and what are u trying to insinuate here?

OkCornel:
It was given to Moses on mount Sinai for the Israelites to follow.

and jesus came to fulfill it too.

OkCornel:
Mind you some if not all of the things in the 10 commandments were still laws to the Gentiles before the commandments were also written on tablet stones e.g. thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit adultery,

now u followed it,why don't u ignore it since it is for isrealite?

OkCornel:
I’ll give you one example.



Deuteronomy 22 v 11;

Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.





Dear sir Compton11, this is one of the laws of Moses... do you still obey this?

the question supposed to be
Do u followed it?

Since u follow some then u must follow the rest.

OkCornel:
Another example;



Deuteronomy 22 v 9;

Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard; if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled

why won't u follow this?

OkCornel:
Do you also obey this law sir?

I followed Islamic law that was set for me bro.

enilove:
Muhammad's command was for Salim to SUCKLE .Suckling has to do with mouth.

why u so worry then?
I've already told u what was done,so it is your problem to accept or not.

Ok the hadith is fabricated,is that what u want to hear?

enilove:
Do women who are not pregnant or who are not nursing babies lactate in the time of Muhammad? Stop deceiving yourself.

I don't really know that.

enilove:
Why asking what was abandoned or abolished?

cos u said it and I asked what was it.

enilove:
Are Muslims practicing it ?

practising what?

enilove:
Where is the Surah for it ?

surah for what?

enilove:
Sheep ate it , no be so ?

sheep in your house use to eat paper right?

enilove:
Taqiyyah as usual.

do u even know the meaning of taqiyyah?

enilove:
Examples of errors and discrepancies in the Qur'an are :

keep it coming

enilove:
Allah SWT said:

"But the answer of his people was only that they said, Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."

(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 82)

OR

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil. And the answer of his people was not but they said, Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."

(QS. Al-Ankaboot 29: Verse 29)

THE ABOVE IS ABOUT LOT

heheheehe two different encounters and that doesn't happen in one day.
So u think the answer of lot people is only that two?
Keeping deceiving yourself

Even the statement he said before they utter the statements are different.
Let start from verse 80
Quran 7 v 80-82
And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns)?
"Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
And the answer of his people was only that they said: "Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!"

This is the beginning of their encounter with them he even ask them questions there compare to

Quran 29 v 28-29
And Lut, as he said to his people, "Surely you indeed come up to (such) obscenity as in no way has any of the worlds (that) preceded you (done so).

Do you really come up to (obscenity) to men, and cut the way, and come up in your assembly to maleficence?" Yet, in no way was the answer of his people (anything) except that they said, "Come up with the torment of Allah in case you are of the sincere."

Two different encounters and different statement.
Try again bro




One if the first answer of his people in that first verse says when he was telling the people to repent they said they should ban him and his believing people from their town while the second answer among the incident was that they were waiting for God punishment on them,so where is the contradictions?
Are u saying all the years Lot preached to his people it is only one answers they gave him?

enilove:
Who was the first Muslim ?

another GJO moshay tactic.

A Muslim is a person that submit to the will of his Lord and that person was Adam during his time.

enilove:
Wss it Muhammad , Moses, Egyptians , Abraham or Adam ?

All of them were Muslims.

enilove:
Does the Sun set in a particular spot?

The Quran says ''yes' .

Allah SWT said:

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 86)

what are u trying to insinuating Here?

enilove:
What about Surah 51:49 ?



Allah SWT said:

"And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember."

(QS. Adh-Dhaariyat 51: Verse 49)



Are there two moon , two sun, two earth , two pairs of trees . Are there male and female earthworms ?

wow Mr man this is the correct translation

And of every thing We have created in pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
Allah was talking about everything that he created in pair not that everything was created in pair.

If u understand Yoruba
Ati ninu awọn nkan ti ada ni mejimeji
Or
Ati gbogbo nkan ti a da ni mejimeji

enilove:
Was Mary the sister of Aaron ?



Allah SWT said:

"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 28).

heheheehe

Sister by kin,maryam was from the descendant of Moses the brother of Aaron,so there is nothing bad calling him sister of good person,and sister doesn't mean siblings.

It can be used in many ways.

Now look that Bible
Matthew 1:1
King James Bible
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is Jesus the son of David?
Is David the son of Abraham?

enilove:
Lastly , what is it you don't understand about the hadith below :

Hadith

A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c

In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436

I've already answer u on This

enilove:
Which part was set for this baby to choose ? As you claimed? Has the baby chosen any part to warrant him or her going to hell

has the baby reached the age that knows the part he would chose?
Stop asking stupid question.

Hasnaa’ bint Mu’aawiyyah from Bani Suraym said: my paternal uncle told me: I said, O Messenger of Allaah, who will be in Paradise? He said: Prophets will be in Paradise, martyrs will be in Paradise, infants will be in Paradise and baby girls who were buried alive will be in Paradise. Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 5/409; classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Da’eef al-Jaami’, 5997.

enilove:
Jesus death on the cross makes 100% physical and spiritual sense., because it is the truth.

which 100% and which truth be deceiving yourself.
Is it in your contradicted book make 100% to u?

Even the event was contradicted
How did judas DIED?
Did judas returned the money he collected?

enilove:
No creditor would accept a bankrupt man as guarantor for the settling of another person's debt since he could not clear his own debt

u sin u get punished for your own sin.

enilove:
It is only the death of Jesus that can redeem man from death to life. Adam brought the curse of death upon himself which every man born by a woman , through the sperm of a man, has inherited.

it sweet Na
Jeremiah 31v29-30
In those days they will not say again,
‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30“But everyone will die for his own iniquity; each man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth will be set on edge.

Human sacrifice,yall ain't difference from sango people.

enilove:
That curse went into the blood of Adam and only uncursed blood can redeem man from it.

wow

When God curse Eve for eating fruit,he said

"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe"

Now Jesus died for Adam and Eve sin,then how how women are still in pain during child bearing?

OkCornel:
I hope you passed O’ Level English at first attempt, because it’s clear to anyone who’s following our discussion here you’re struggling to understand what a primary or secondary school student will understand

evidence of four gospel where Jesus chose Paul.

OkCornel:
And to your question as to whether Jesus called Paul? Oh well, remind us who Paul encountered on the road to Damascus in

how do u know he encountered Jesus?

OkCornel:
Acts 9 v 4-6;
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

now read it forward and see that Paul was fucking liar.

King James Bible
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless[b], hearing a voice[/b], but seeing no man-act 9:7

The men with him heard a voice

Now let look at
Acts 22:9
King James Version
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

Here the men with him heard no voice

Which one is true?

OkCornel:
Jesus also confirmed to Ananias he has called Paul to preach to the gentiles as well as the Jews-acts 9:7

but was Ananias one of the disciples?

OkCornel:
Acts 9 v 13 -16
13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem.

14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

did Jesus prophesized about a man named Paul?


Compton11, the internet never forgets, please embarrass yourself by arguing further and asking more funny questions. People will see this thread and come to their conclusions.[/quote]so Christians has no law?

OkCornel:
And your question on the law, I’ve told you this thing and it’s very basic to understand. Jesus could not abolish the law because he had not fulfilled it. Now that Jesus has fulfilled the law by his death and resurrection, how does a law he has fulfilled become binding on you?

where did Jesus say his death And resurrection will fulfilled the law?

OkCornel:
Basic understanding mehn! Also read Acts 15 which I posted earlier on this thread and spare yourself this pointless argument.

You only see contradictions where your understanding is shallow. And that’s not my fault.

and whose fault is that?

OkCornel:
Remind me again, who and who were discussing in John 3?

Per John 3 v 16;
For God so loved THE WORLD (not just the Israelites).

Jesus didn't say This.

OkCornel:
Now, think about it... it’s basic understanding. If God so loved the world, look at the bigger picture- Jesus earthly ministry was within Israel while his disciples expanded on this to all nations after Jesus’ death and resurrection as he instructed them in Matthew 28. That way, God’s love is shown to the world (all nations).

u mean Matthew 28 that part of it was later addition?

OkCornel:
Like I said, the internet never forgets. Your posts are always gonna be here. Keep making a show of yourself. .

alright

OkCornel:
Matthew was a disciple of Jesus, and wrote things he and other Apostles witnessed as well as things Jesus told them. So therefore, doesn’t invalidate anything.

which Matthew are u talking about?

Don't tell me Matthew the disciple of Jesus is the same Matthew that wrote book of Mathew after the evidence I show u that

OkCornel:
Using Compton11 analogy, since Jesus didn’t write the gospels but his followers and other witnesses did, perhaps the scriptures are invalid.


Let’s also use this logic to discredit all sorts of news since these are drafted by reporters in the third person too. The news have absolutely no elements of truth at all, lol

non of his followers wrote the the four gospel

OkCornel:
It seems you still don’t get the basic point I was passing across using Cain, Abraham and Reuben’s examples.

those u mentioned were before Moses and they have their own Law guarding them.

OkCornel:
1. Men knew the basic rights from wrong even before the 10 commandments were given to Moses on Sinai.

and do they know that is wrong and that is right?

OkCornel:
2. The laws of Moses is not just the 10 commandments, there were 613 instructions spanning from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy!

then who was 10 commandments given to?

OkCornel:
Dear Compton11, do you obey all the 613 laws of Moses to be saved?

u keep mentioning 613 laws.
Tell me the one u don't do!

OkCornel:
This thing isn’t too difficult to understand for goodness sake...or is your understanding that shallow?

hmmmmm

enilove:
1) The issue of adults breast feeding cannot be from God for many reasons :

yes and?

enilove:
A) It did not say , '' give him breast milk' , it says suckle him .

so u except Salim to put mouth there ?
No,the story of the hadith has been narrated by scholars.

أرضعيه can be translated to give him milk.

Though some scholars say this hadith is fabricated.

enilove:
B) Breast milk does not come out of the breast of women who are not nursing babies. So , where would they get the milk from ?

no u aint right on This.

Many wet mothers that used to breastfeed peoples babies for salary are not nursing babies

enilove:
C) People are known to drink animal milk , does that make them to become relatives to the animals ?

are u animal?

enilove:
D) Why was it abandoned and abolished?

what was abandoned And abolish?

enilove:
2) The errors in the Bible can not be compared with that of the Qur'an which was so glaring that made Uthman to order them burnt .

heheheehe go and read the history of the reason why uthman ordered quran to be burned.

And pls u will have to show me error in Al Quran.

enilove:
The first set of Qur'an was full of blunders and errors to the extent that the followers had to agree to burn them and get only one copy.

and where is the evidence of that?

enilove:
It is when you want to destroy an evidence that you will burn it . Some of the scriptures of the Bible had been preserved for over 1200 years before Quran and was never at any time agreed that they must be destroyed so ad to hide the truth.

hmmmmm so how can u relied on book that their versions ain't the same?

enilove:
Even during the time of Muhammad , there had been differences in their recitation .

even till now,recitation of Yoruba is different from that of Hausa people.
This has nothing to do with error bro!

enilove:
Presently, there are more than 30 different Qur'an world wide.

u mean translation to English?

enilove:
Hadith
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.


Sahih al-Bukhari 4987
In-book : Book 66, Hadith 9
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 510  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Because they want to preserve it in only Quraysh dialect and not other different dialect.

If persia or Iran or any other race have their own Quran,there would be confusions just like bible today.

QURAN was revealed in Quraysh dialect and it is the official Arabic in whole world even some part of Arabs dont understand it.

enilove:
3) All the reasons you gave for believing in Islam do not make sense because , no matter how you practice it and do the right things , it is what Allah has written about you that will determine your eternal destination :

but your own beliefs is based on Jesus death and how is that make sense?

Mumu u are
Allah set two part,it is either u chose the wrong or the good way.

So if u steal today,are u going to say God commanded u to steal after God said don't steal?

enilove:
Hadith
A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.
Sahih Muslim 2662 c
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

and what do u want to pull out from the hadith?

OkCornel:
Dear Compton11, please do your research and tell us how many instructions makes up the laws of Moses.

I can tell you for free they’re 613 in all. If you dispute, please bring your sources.


Back to the matter, please tell us if you’re keeping all the 613 laws of Moses.

how do u even know they are 613,is it not jew website that told u.

Many scholars were against that number

OkCornel:
Jesus never contradicted himself. The more you keep emphasising this, you keep embarrassing yourself.

bible said he did.
So not surprised
For example

Jesus proclaimed that “whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22)
The same Jesus called the Pharisees and scribes were fools in Matthew 23:17.

OkCornel:
1. Jesus’ earthly ministry was within the land of Israel.

good and he was for isrealite only,his preaching was for only the jews

OkCornel:
2. After his death and resurrection, he commissioned his disciples to preach the gospel to all nations in Matthew 28 (remember, Matthew was a disciple of Jesus)

bro which Matthew?

Are u trying to say Matthew the disciple of Jesus was the author of book Of Matthew?

No

As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him -matthew 9:9.

OkCornel:
3. And your question as to whether Jesus said “For God so loved the world” makes it clear you’re struggling with basic English. Jesus had a discussion with Nicodemus in John chapter 3 where he mentioned that.

Please read that chapter and spare yourself further embarrassment.

know that there is no Jesus said in John 3:16 so don't stress yourself.

And u will see that place is even talking about third person that is not present.


And pathetic things is that many versions of Bible removed begotten form their own version cos they see it doesn't make sense.

OkCornel:
Lol, Compton11 I know your type who disregard the writings of Paul, so let me make something clear to you since you’re still confused on basic matters of the scriptures.

lol bro Jesus chose 12 disciples and Paul wasn't there.

OkCornel:
Jesus clearly told Peter he’s the rock upon which the church will be built. And here’s what Peter mentioned about the writings of Paul which you’re trying to discredit.

2 Peter 3 v 15-16

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

the same guy that contradicted Jesus.

Did Jesus chose Paul?

This same Peter fought Paul because of some reasons.

OkCornel:
So dear Compton11, try another tactic, because discrediting Paul’s letters can’t help your argument in any way.

hmmmm

OkCornel:
Please also show us scriptural evidence where the Gentiles were also required to obey the Mosaic laws (which was for the Israelites only)

did Jesus u followe abolish it?

Was jesus sent to the gentiles?

So is it only jews that followed Christ can follow this Law?

Matthew 10:1-6

1Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John

3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.(H)

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel





Mr gentiles


He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s (jews)bread and toss it to their dogs(gentiles).-matthew 15:26.



If u are actually part of lost sheep is Israel Jesus was talking about,then u are to follow the law cos jesus wasn't for non Israel.

OkCornel:
Mr Compton11 Read John 3 v 16. Those were the words of Jesus.

Jesus clearly said, FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD (not just the Israelites)

where is your evidence that Jesus said it?

Where is Jesus said in that verse?

OkCornel:
Read the Bible and stop asking hilarious questions here

hmmm

OkCornel:
Also read the instructions Jesus gave his disciples after his resurrection in Matthew 28 to preach to ALL NATIONS, Jesus’ earthly ministry was in Israel whereas he commissioned his disciples to extend the work to the uttermost ends of the earth.

so he is contradicting himself and angel gabriel that his mother he would come to save his people?

Where is the evidence of that verse in the end of books of mark,luke and john?

OkCornel:
This thing is basic understanding, the more you argue here, you’ll keep embarrassing yourself

no u keep embarrassing yourself.

Cam Jesus be contradicting himself?

OkCornel:
Dear Compton11, please explain to us how you keep the 613 laws of Moses and how your salvation is tied to obeying these laws.

This is real salvation as says by Jesus and it included laws given to Moses

Matthew 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

OkCornel:
Very good, and when the terms of a particular law (contract) has been fulfilled, is that law still binding on you?

Your answer is in Hebrews 7. I’ll head into that shortly.

bro all your evidence about this law are quoted by another people not Jesus

OkCornel:
Obviously not. Jesus’ earthly ministry was to the Israelites. However, after he resurrected...He gave a commission to the disciples to preach the message of the kingdom to everyone be it Jews or Gentiles.

See Matthew 28 v 18-20;

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

bro that contradicted his previous saying.

I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will -matthew 5:30

OkCornel:
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

bro some Bible scholars said this verse is later addition in Matthew book

Plus resurrection of Jesus have contradictions in Matthew, Luke ,John and Mark.

OkCornel:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

what did he commanded?

OkCornel:
Lol, don’t make me laugh abeg. You think the Mosaic laws are the 10 commandments? The Mosaic laws is made up of 613 commandments! Do you obey each and everyone of them? I’ll bring some ridiculous ones and you tell us how it applies to a gentile like you and how you obey them.

heheheehe the Ten Commandments were revealed to Moses at Mount Sinai,it is Moses law that was never abolish.

OkCornel:
Besides, men knew right from wrong before the 10 commandments (which is not even up to 5% of the Mosaic laws) were written and given to Moses.

because there was other law guiding them during the time but Bible didn't record that.

OkCornel:
Cain didn’t need to know any commandment to murder is a sin.

era of Cain was beginning of the world,no much Law then.

OkCornel:
Reuben did not need any commandment to know sleeping with his father’s maid is a sin. Abraham and Lot didn’t need any commandment to know idolatry is a sin.

Jacob was before Moses and he didn't even know about mosaic law.

OkCornel:
Your point on the 10 commandments is dead on arrival.

dead where?
Don't u follow it?

Moses was given 10 commandment bro

OkCornel:
Please tell us how the 613 laws of Moses applies to Christians today biko.

there is no verse in the Bible that gives 613 as the correct enumeration. There are other counts as well. There is no universal agreement among Jews or Christians that there are exactly 613 laws given by God through Moses.

Which one doesn't apply to u?

OkCornel:
Read John 3 v 16 and Matthew 28 v 18-20.

In John 3 v 16... in your Bible, did it say for God so loved the Jews? Or God so loved the world

wow is it Jesus that said this?

No

Because it contradicted word of Jesus and other bible reference

when a Canaanite woman came to Him with a request to heal her demon-possessed daughter. For a while, Jesus did not respond to the woman’s entreaties, and she followed Him and continued to beg for mercy. Finally, the disciples, feeling that the woman was a nuisance, asked Jesus to send her away. Then Jesus said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

If Jesus was actually sent to the world he would have answere the woman and never utter the statement.

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins-mattew 1:21.

In that verse,is it Jesus the only son of God truly?

OkCornel:
Compton11,

Please read these scriptures so you can see how pointless the old covenant/laws in this dispensation.

Hebrews 7 v 18-19;


18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

bro did Jesus said this?

No

Jesus said
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them -matthew 5 :17
So Paul was saying the old law is imperfect and useless and u believe that?

May God forgive u.

OkCornel:
Hebrews 8 v 6-7;
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

bro are u following Paul or Jesus?

Cos jesus said

For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.-Matthew 5:18-19

OkCornel:
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

did Jesus said this ?

NO.

OkCornel:
Hebrews 8 v 13;
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Romans 10 v 4;
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

bro all what u are saying is of Paul.

Jesus didn't appoint this man

Quote where Jesus abolish the old laws

For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses-hebrew 10:28