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haekymbahd:
You are quite ignorant of your Gods childhood from age 1 - 29.. If you know about it you won't be asking if Jesus killed someone with is own hand


According to infant gospel of thomas

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the age of five to age twelve,[9] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[9] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[2] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[10] and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

@compton11 @zimmaking

no mind him.

Ive been telling him to explain Luke 19:27 to me but he is dodging my questions

peteregwu:
Nigga,

You are still talking.

niggaaaa!

I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

sagenaija:
I gave you links to where differences in the Koran versions were dealt with. If you did not refer to them it simply means that you don't want clarity but just to keep on arguing. At the end of the day you want to shout 'I refuted you!', 'You didn't provide any proof!'

bro the links u gave, I doubted u even watch it.

I keep telling u to Show the me same verses of Quran that are different in another another copy of Quran.

U are rely your evidence on that nigga called Al fadi and Jay Smith?
The pathetic thing about this fadi is that,whenever he is exposed on his Facebook page,he will blocked u immediately,he called himself Islamic scholar and doesn't know that( آلبريّة) and (ٱلبريئة)are the same text with different writing method,that is one of the things he showed u and u saying Quran have different version,he eventually corrected his lies after he was exposed.
This is who Jay Smith relied on in translating Arabic,so pathetic.

sagenaija:
Read the thread and watch the clip provided then bring out anything from them that is wrong and we will deal with it. Debating is about providing FACTS not attacking people. '

I never attack u bro

sagenaija:
The Islamic librarian Abi Yaqub Nadim in 377 AH ( 987 AD) compiled 7 books by early Moslems about discrepancies of the Koranic manuscripts. So, its been known as far back as then that there are issues with the Koranic manuscripts. Its not just a 21st century matter.

bro no evidence for this bro or u have evidence for It?

sagenaija:
Again, you can believe anything you want to believe. Just be sure that you are honest with yourself about it, having examined FACTS about the issue.

it is that is not honest bro,i keep asking u this question and u haven't answer it,why skipping it?

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
Here is Christian Prince on the issue:
https://youtu.be/WBXXCKB6uLMr.

bro u don't even watch it,u just copy and paste it and the pathetic thing is that,all the links above it are from this YouTube links.
So pastor Al fadi is not reliable again,it is not Christian prince?
Show me where he said all Quran versions are different.

sagenaija:
Hadith: Ubayy ibn Ka'b feel doubt because of ahruf
https://sunnah.com/muslim/6/332

some of his links under his video.

This hadith talked about recitation of al Quran,so how is people reciting ALQURAN differently make Al Quran to be different?
Is just like how we Yoruba are reciting in our own dialect is different from those of Hausas and we are ready the same thing.
Try again bro.[b][/b]

sagenaija:
Hadith: Muhammad forgot verses and surah
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/62

It is even not prophet Muhammed(saw)it was his wife Aisha(rtd)
This is the hadith

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.
So tell me how this related to Quran that is different?
She has already memorised the part and she forget it,so what is the matter?
If u have memorised one particular verse of Bible and u forget,does that means that particular verses have been changed in the written book?

sagenaija:
Hadith: Muhammad cut the hands and feet and gouge the eyes of thieves:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/227

so from different Version of Quran to this?

The fact that those people killed a shepherd that gave them drinks and drive away his camels,they is why they deserve death penalty.
But cutting hand and gouging their eyes out is nothing but weak narration against him, when they have already been killed,why cutting and gouging their eyes out?
Vast majority of Muslims dont believe it,hadith is like bible,collecting it from different people and any hadith that contradicti Al Quran is fake.
Bro try again.

Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior
Allah said
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and (who) remembers Allah often.”

(Surat al-Ahzab, 33:21)

Bro,did u believe prophet Elisha also did this?

2 Kings 2:23-25

23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered(A) at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!”
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
25 And he went on to Mount Carmel(D) and from there returned to Samaria.

The prophets of God are not known for wickedness.

sagenaija:
Hadith: a thief who steals an egg or a rope, his hand is to be cut off.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/86/29

bro u will tell me where rope and egg were mentioned in this hadith
Narrated `Aisha:

The Prophet (ﷺ) cut off the hand of a lady, and that lady used to come to me, and I used to convey her message to the Prophet (ﷺ) and she repented, and her repentance was sincere.
Who was the lady?
Her name was Fatima bint Al-Aswad
What was her crime
According to Aisha, she used to borrow items and then deny that she had them.[10] Another tradition describes the stolen items as “jewellery”.In a third version, she went out in the night and, having met a camp of travellers, she took one of their bags. But she was caught red-handed, and the travellers seized her and tied her up.
In the morning, she was brought before Muhammad.He decreed that her hand should be cut off.

The rich Quraysh OGs became very worried about her,and looked for an intercessor to mitigate the penalty. More than one person interceded with prophet Muhammad for her.Fatima's relatives felt that the only person who would dare to approach Prophet Muhammad, and the only one likely to have any influence over him, was his adopted grandson, Usama ibn Zayd, who was high in his favour.The family spoke to Usama, who in his turn approached Muhammad.

Usama spoke on Fatima's behalf, but prophet Muhammad's face changed colour, and he asked him: “Are you interceding to violate one of Allah’s laws?
Usama, do not speak to me. When the hudud are violated, there is no alternative. If my own daughter had stolen, I would have cut off her hand.” Usama replied, “Messenger of Allah, seek forgiveness for me!

Whether u are rich or poor and u committed crime deliberately,u would be punished.

After that punishment she used to visit prophet wife .
Aisha asserted that Fatima “truly repented”. When she was in need, she would visit Aisha, who used to pass on her requests to prophet Muhammad.

Fatima was married in prophet Muhammad's lifetime. Her kunya Umm Amr indicates that she had a son named Amr.

Whatever she stole wasn't small things,because in islam for your hand to be cut in Sharia countries for theft,what I stole must worth something,because the Prophet(saw) said
A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The hand of a thief should not be cut off but for a quarter of a dinar and upwards.

That half quarter gold dinar worth over 100,000 naira right now.

And Quran brought the punishment for stealing
And (as for) the male thief and the female thief, cut off (from the wrist joint) their (right) hands as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allaah. And Allaah is All Powerful, All Wise” [al-Maa’idah 5:38]

Now there are conditions for theif for his/her hand not to be be cut if he/she stole.

1-The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.

2-The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.

3-The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away, i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.

4-The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.

5-The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thief’s) hand does not have to be cut off.

6.if the theif is madman or not adult,no cutting of hands.

7.if the theif didn't do it deliberatly,he did it be need maybe his wife or child is in serious condition and he still for them to be cure,no cutting hand.

8.if the theif stole in term of famine or hunger ,no cutting of hands.
And so on


Bro Islam is religion of knowledge not just John 3:16 and tithles.

Now let see cutting of hands in bible

Jesus said
If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.-Matthew 5:30

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Wallahi this is funny

From David the man of God
2 Samuel 4:9-12

David answered Rekab and his brother Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, “As surely as the Lord lives, who has delivered(A) me out of every trouble, 10 when someone told me, ‘Saul is dead,’ and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag.(B) That was the reward I gave him for his news!
How much more—when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed—should I not now demand his blood(C) from your hand and rid the earth of you!”

So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them.(D) They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner’s tomb at Hebron.

sagenaija:
The plain truth is that:
1. No early manuscripts of the Koran dating before those written hundreds of years after Mohamed exist today.

like which one

Uthman copy is what we are using today and I have already told u why usman burnt all the copies of all Quran.

sagenaija:
2. The various Arabic versions of the Koran have differences some of which change the meanings significantly.

and I have been telling u to show,dont just be pasting links that u also dont research on it to me.

sagenaija:
3. The Koran has not been 'Perfectly Preserved' as modern day Moslems have brainwashed themselves to believe.

Allah perfectly preserved it unlike Bible.

Mr man,where is the original Bible u talked about?

peteregwu:
Nigga,



If I may ask as you didn't believe what i posted here, now, how many people did Jesus kill in your quran and how many did he kill in the bible? Even hso disciples never killed one person but they lay down their lives for gospel of christ. Uptil now, Christians are still laying down their lives for the christ sake. .

Then tell me the meaning of luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

And Don't act like Christians love peace

Columbus,pope innocent III,vikings,crusaders,leopald and so on did many actrocities in the name of Christ.

peteregwu:
Remember the redeemed Christian woman that was also killed in Abuja while preaching? .

Your evidence that he was killed by Muslims?

What is your evidence?
A Muslims that Believe in Allah and the last day would never killed a non Muslim that didn't do anything.

whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
QURAN 5:32

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.”
Qur'an 5:8

peteregwu:
Abeg, If you can't give me a reply, then you should bow out. In fact you guys should be ashamed if your son called religion..

as far as u are writing and I'm still alive,i would be giving u reply.

peteregwu:
Now see what is going on in Mozambique as well now, Islamic terrorists has taking over the norther part as well, killing children, men and women. Go and read their ordeal online. Abeg nigga, yih know get mouth oo .

This is same u are talking about are killing more Muslims than Christians especially in the north east.

It is political and those who are wiring them guns are non Muslims from overseas trying to do business too.

peteregwu:
But mohammed killed and shed blood, likewise his own followers and till today, they are still killing and shedding blood. They even advanced into suicide bombing. that's clear, and the difference is clear. "by their fruits, ye shall know them.

Prophet Muhammed personally never once shed blood with his own hands in his life.

And all the war the muslims fought during his time was self defense
And why would a sane person killed himself with bombs?
He who do that is destined to hell

O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful QURAN 29:30.

Thabit Ibn Al-Dahak narrated that the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] said, “Whosoever kills himself with anything in this world will be tortured with it on the Day of Judgment.

Even if Jesus and his followers saw prosecution during his time ,God would have commanded him to fight too just as he commanded Joshua,david,moses and so on.
And also how can u know Jesus never killed?
The man u don't know his history from 3 years old to 29 years

froshdhayveed:
na u b d oponu.. I'm not talking about individual Mumu.. I'm talking about una religious body

arindin nie tell your own church to do the same

SarkinYarki:
Even your moniker shows you are a hoodrt

shut the hell up nigga!

SarkinYarki:
Definitely killed by a black American..You run leave Bokoharam and Bandits for Nigeria only to meet those heartless black Americans who kill for no reason

will u shut up

white Americans are more than black Americans

Lovethaa:
Jesus is the Greatest... Hallelujah

his father is greater than him through and john the Baptist is greater than him too

froshdhayveed:
something the religion of piss will Neva do

Oponu ni ẹ

making all matters religious and shiit.

Dangote and BUA are Christians?

sagenaija:
Did you say "There is one Arabic version"? Really?

As usual, denial the reality. Did you miss this thread?:
https://www.nairaland.com/6445222/different-arabic-versions-quran

are u saying u know more than me?

CIRA international


friends with David wood amd sam shoumoun.

Pastor Al fadi and Jay Smith

Well Jay Smith has already claimed they used to disguise as Muslims in Muslims community in other to convert them to Christianity


Typical Christians tactic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3gPpl-ixPU

They have been exposed many time including your GJO MOSHAY that nobody know who is him



Kindly show me a picture of the same Quranic verses that there Arabic text is not the same.


And those are not versions Mr man,calling it versions means it has different meanings

The question I asked about the Bible versions that are different,u skip the question,i will ask u again


New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
Or is it the usual case of Moslems lying with a straight face?
Are you saying that you have never heard of Hafs Koran, Warsh Koran, al-Duri, Qalum, Khalaf and over 30 more - ALL IN ARABIC!

and I would like u to show me how those Quran Arabic text are different .

sagenaija:
And there are differences between them!
If you want to deny this then see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNj1z0t_c_M

they are of the same Arabic text,m just show me the difference.

YouTube by non Muslims,wow?

This nigga has been exposed many time.

Tell your pastors Al fadi to show us those Quran in real life and not your edited YouTube.

Pastor Al fadi

This is one of his exposed video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaPF47X0Evs

sagenaija:
In the case of the Bible there is only ONE in the original languages.

and where is it?



The ones you referred to are TRANSLATIONS into the English language.[/quote]isn't the translation y'all using in your church?
Or is not the one u are using to collect titles?
How come all translations have clearly different meaning?

For example

Matthew 6:12 - is debt and sin the same?

sagenaija:
But here we are talking about the Koran in the same Arabic but have DIFFERENCES that change the meanings in several instances. .

im still waiting for the difference.

sagenaija:
So, if you still don't agree show that Hafs is in every respect - word for word, letter for letter, like you guys have been spoon fed with - the same as Warsh for instance. .

Ok
I'm still waiting for it

sagenaija:
Anybody can believe anything 100%. Some believe, against all scientific evidence, that the earth is flat. But that belief does not change the REALITY. .

Ok,u believe all bible 100℅ right?

sagenaija:
Btw, the Koran is supposed to be RECITATIONS, isn't it? So, Mohamed may well have been reciting it during his time BUT no BOUND copy existed unless you disagree with your Islamic history and sources. Or perhaps you modern day Moslems are trying to rewrite your Islamic history. .

During the 23 years of prophet Muhammad's time as a prophet, the verses of the Quran were memorized as they were revealed, and about 42 scribes wrote the verses on different materials such as paper, cloth, bone fragments and leather.




The one that doesn't know his Bible history want to teach me Islamic history.

Let assume all Bible were burn today,how are Christians going to write another when they don't memorise it?

sagenaija:
What did Abu Bakr do when he was confronted with concerns about the Koran? Did he say lets look for copies or did he then begin the compilation from different sources? If it was already existing why do a fresh compilation? .

During the time of Caliph Abu Bakr, when 70 people who knew the Quran by heart (qari), were killed in the Battle of Yamama, Umar ibn al-Khattab became concerned and appealed to Abu Bakr in order to compile the Quran into a book.

Abu Bakr formed a delegation under the leadership of Zaid ibn Thabit, one of the leading scribes.

This delegation of 12 people, including famous figures such as Uthman ibn Affan, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Talha ibn Ubaydullah, Abdullah ibn Masood, Ubayy ibn Kab, Khalid ibn al-Walid, Hudhaifah and Saleem, came together in Umar's house and collected all the materials on which verses from the Quran were written.

In addition, the verses memorized by the companions were heard as well. Each of them was asked to show two witnesses for the verse they read.

Tell us the history of how Bible was written.

sagenaija:
Uthman even had his own REVISED VERSION after which he DESTROYED every other copy. Have you ever wondered why he should destroy other copies if they contained the same thing? Abu Bakr's copy?.

u know why uthman burnt all the Quran.

Between 650 and 656 the third Caliph Uthman ibn Affan caused the text of the Qur'an (Koran) to be codified. He placed Zayd ibn Thabit (Zaid Ibn Thabit), the personal scribe of Prophet Muhammad, in charge of the project. Identifical copies were sent to every Muslim province to be used as the standard text from which all copies of the Qur'an were made.

"During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran in different dialects of Arabic language became obvious. A group of companions, headed by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, who was then stationed in Iraq, came to Uthman and urged him to 'save the Muslim ummah before they differ about the Quran' . Uthman obtained the complete manuscript of the Qur'an from Hafsah, one of the wives of the Islamic prophet Muhammad who had been entrusted to keep the manuscript ever since the Qur'an was comprehensively compiled by the first Caliph, Abu Bakr. Uthman then again summoned the leading compiling authority, Zayd ibn Thabit, and some other companions to make copies of the manuscript. Zayd was put in charge of the task. The style of Arabic dialect used was that of the Quraysh tribe to which the Prophet Muhammad belonged. Hence this style was emphasized over all others.

"Zayd and his assistants produced several copies of the manuscript of the Qur'an. One of each was sent to every Muslim province with the order that all other Quranic materials, whether fragmentary or complete copies, be destroyed. As such, when the standard copies were made widely available to the Muslim community everywhere, then all other material was burnt voluntarily by the Muslim community themselves. The annihilation of these extra-Qur'anic documents remained essential in order to eradicate scriptural incongruities, contradictions of consequence or differences in the dialect from the customary text of the Qur'an. The Caliph Uthman kept a copy for himself and returned the original manuscript to Hafsah"

sagenaija:
Btw, no one accused Uthman of destroying Koran but Moslems today are quick to slaughter anyone they claim has desecrated the Koran..

Why would a sane non Muslim burn the book of other faiths?

And Quran can be burn in clean place or buried if it is old.

sagenaija:
And even Uthman's copy CANNOT be found today. All today's copies are those written well after Uthman. For example, do you know when Hafs produced his Koran?.

it is uthman copy we are using nowadays bro it is uthman copy,it is the one that was compiled during his reign.

sagenaija:
These may be hard FACTS for you to accept because you have been fed with the PROPAGANDA that there is only one Koran.

hmmmm

Mr man worry about different bible versions with different meanings

And
Where can we see the original Bible of yours?

JovialJune:
Who did Jesus head slam to?
Nsidime.

God Almighty
even not only Jesus slammed head
people like Moses,David,Aaron,Jacob were all head slammers

Kriss216:
Ned was/is a head slammer!

just like Jesus! both are /were head slammers

sagenaija:
Thank you for admitting that Mohamed killed people even though you justify it by claiming that they were against him. When you guys start off with 'Mohamed never did this', 'Mohamed never did that' and end up claiming that he was justified in killing those people because they were his enemies or opposed him it shows that you are being disingenuous.

tell me the Bible prophets that spared those who are in war with them?

U think u wise ? no u stupid

.Bible God commanded samuel

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.



Even if Jesus encountered oppression and war against him and his people during his time ,he would have fight,so because the prophet ordered the killing of war enemies and spy,that makes him not a prophet?

But saul,samuel,david,solomom,moses and so on can do the same?

He and followers faced oppression from the pagans of mecca just because he told them that they should be believe in One God, treat the poor with kindness and stop buring their daughters



Even Jesus said

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27.



even hear what your lord did for prophet Elisha when some little niggas were calling him bald head.

in the book of 2 Kings 2:23-24

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

sagenaija:
I have said it repeatedly that Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. For ANY given thing in Islam you can always find the opposite. So Moslems can always play around with whichever they want and claim that the other one no longer applies.

that is what in Christianity.
If we ask Christians is Jesus God?

Some will say yes while some will say No.

sagenaija:
How come Islam hasn't sat down to determine which Islamic books are genuine and which are fake so as to discard the fake ones? The answer is simple. The books came from the amalgamation of 'Tales from Arabia'. Many of them, created hundreds of years after Mohamed died, never really came from his time

Islamic scholars has already done that.

Some history that are real about the prophet and the one that are not real

Even the fake Quran and fake books Christians are writing against Islam.


But Why are Christians producing fake Quran?

Is that the way of winning soul for Christ?

Producing fake things about other religions?

sagenaija:
including the Koran.

u mean Quran never existed during the time of the prophet?
What a dumb nigga
So if Qur'an never existed during his Time,what was he using?

sagenaija:
As different compilers came up their independent and uncoordinated works resulted in the mumbo jumbo we have today as Islamic sources and books. As a result Moslems pick and choose which thing to accept in Islam.

so we should all accept them even if it is fake?

Can u accept fake history about Jesus plus Mr man?


Tell us the history of Jesus from 3 years old to 30.

sagenaija:
But then INTEGRITY is a scarce commodity in Islam so, even in the face of glaring inconsistencies in the Narratives of Islam Moslems still run with their emotions headlong into them. That again is why when Moslems are told that their claim that the Koran has been 'Perfectly Preserved' without change is false they still refuse to accept it.

then show me one Arabic Quran that is different from another one.

There is one one Arabic version

Unlike Bible


New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
And when over 30 different Arabic (not English) versions are shown to them, they begin to dance around looking for how to make that fit into their claim.

pls show me the Arabic version that has different words.

sagenaija:
You mentioned chains of narrators. Who verified them? Remember that the documents LISTING them were created hundreds of years after Mohamed. So, any person can decide to 'authenticate' his writings by claiming a list that goes back to Mohamed. Unless you guys can find the 7th century source documents you are still living in fools Paradise.

just like I told u if someone write fake report about Jesus,are u going to believe?

sagenaija:
You said:



Note that you said 'Islamic sources'. So, Allah couldn't ensure that his message AND examples through his 'seal' of the prophets were preserved accurately.

His message is Qur'an in which we Muslims believe 100%

sagenaija:
He allowed satan to infiltrate his people and distort issues. Interesting!

histories about prophet Muhammed is not sacred and not part of our religious obligation,so?


Now bible Is part of Christianity
With all the different in versions if Bible,did he allowed satan to infiltrate Christians to distort issues too?

As a Protestant Where is books of Baruch, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Tobit and Wisdom of Solomon in your own Bible?

peteregwu:
Nigga,



Its a parable. Jesus was referring to the end time, when he would return and judge those who never believed in him and those that are into sin and evil.

what a pathetic shiit!
So it is parable when it involves violence but it is not parable when it is about love?

Parables indeed

Luke 22:35-36

35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.



Luke 12:51

New International Version
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.


Why did Jesus cursed fig tree?

peteregwu:
Jesus would be the one that would bring judgement upon all sinners and those that rejected him or even those that claim to be Christians but lived in sin and never forsook their sins.

John 5:22-23 KJV

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: [23] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

then how come that verse is different from this?
Psalm 75:7
But God is the Judge;
He puts down one and exalts another


James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?

Isaiah 3:13
The Lord arises to contend,
And stands to judge the people.



2 Peter 2:4

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;


So how can Jesus said the father judge not,with all these verse?

peteregwu:
John 12:48 KJV

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

he who reject him among the isrealite he was sent to during his time is doom.

peteregwu:
Matthew 25:31-33 KJV

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

The same Matthew said this

Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel


This verse tell us he and his disciples would be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
So which one are we going to believe?

sagenaija:
It is typical of you Moslems to shift from one end to the other. You now want where Mohamed used his hands to kill.

give me the evidence Mr man.

sagenaija:
When that is provided you will then query the authenticity of even the Islamic source used.

not all Islamic source are authentic even most are forged.

sagenaija:
You have decided against all FACTS to believe what you want about Mohamed.

and what is that?

sagenaija:
Have you heard of accessory to a murder? Even though such a one did not directly commit the murder does the fact that he did not absolve such a one of guilt? If you ask someone to murder another person and it is found that you did, will you be guilt less in the eyes of the law? If so then you must be from Mars.

those who are murders are enemies and prosecutors of Islam during that time.

sagenaija:
Are you now saying that even though Mohamed asked others to murder on his behalf that he is not to be blamed for their actions? Sometimes one wonders how your brains work.

blame for killing those that wage war against Islam first?

sagenaija:
Mohamed had many people murdered either by his direct command or in agreeing to those who requested to murder on his behalf. We see those killed while they slept. There were no interrogations, no trials, and no judgments

you want trail for enemies.

did your Bible God gave trail to amalkites when he ordered saul to distroy them?

sagenaija:
. Men and women, young and old, all were killed.

u lie the prophet is against that in term of war unlike Bible God that commanded the killing of amalkites women,children and animals.

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys-1samuel 15:3

Numbers 31:16-18

16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

sagenaija:
To blind your eyes to these would mean that you are as hard hearted as can be.

hmmmmm

sagenaija:
See if you can notice something in the following:

Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume, tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), p. 464].: “Then they surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina . . . Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still a market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.”

they can't be trusted,they signed treaty with the muslims and broke it and help the pagans to fight against Muslims.

so pathetic.

sagenaija:
In case you missed it: who was that incident attributed to?

the jews of Medina

sagenaija:
The Koran advocates killing:

just like bible but on condition


Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors-Quran2:190.

sagenaija:
"When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5

yes who the pagans of mecca that first wage war against Muslims.


The reason is that
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned [i.e., praised]. And Allah will surely support those who support Him [i.e., His cause]. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.--Quran 22:40

And don't act like bible didn't say it too and pathetic is that whether those idolators attack your God people first or not,they must be distroy.

Deuteronomy 17:2-7
“If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel,read more.
then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.

Exodus 22:20

“He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the Lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

sagenaija:
The Hadiths follow the same path:

Bukhari, volume 9, #17



"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

the third one is for those that converted to Islam during the war with the pagans of mecca people like Abdullahi ibn ubay,they converted to islam fasely to spy on muslims military tactics,
those how do u expect people like that to be spared?


Allah said in ALQURAN

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.-Quran 2:256

Allah also said
And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?-Quran 10:99
He don't his wage war or Help the enemies against Islam.

Prophet Muhammad (S) said “Whoever kills a mu’ahid (a non-Muslim given protection in a Muslim land), he will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” [Bukhari]

Unlike Bible
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed-exodus 22:20

sagenaija:
Bukhari volume 9, #57



Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

even the narration of this hadith has already made it false.

Ali lived with the prophet for all his life and still didn't know the prophet forbad burning,that is pathetic.
Also Also, "Ikrima" the narrator of the story, was one of the leaders of Khawarej who waged the battle of Nahrawan against Imam Ali (a.s). He has fabricated many ahadith and related them to Ibn Abbas.

On changing from Islam,we have already told it apply to those that converted before to spy on muslims military tactics.



But as typical of you guys, you can deny even the Koran portions one uses and claim that it is fake all in a bid to hold on to to a false position.[/quote]any Muslims that deny any ayat in Quran is unbeliever.
We deny Hadith that were forged against prophet Muhammed(Saw)


You have been sold a dummy and you have bought it hook line and sinker.[/quote]heheheehe but u believe all these in your own Bible?

Then the Lord rose up as though waking from sleep, like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor
Psalm 78:65.

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zimmaking:
I decree and command in the name of Jesus,that their will be confusion in the camp of the kidnappers in Jesus name.They Will be released this week in the mighty name of Jesus.

yinmu u have been decree like this before and it ain't come top pass

Why are Christians doing like this Na

sebi Jesus said whatever u pray in his name to father,father will do it.

pray in Jesus name and tell father to release these people now.

peteregwu:
Nigga,

They just killed and burnt somebody to death in bauchi state for insulting Prophet mohammed. The spirit of Islam is at work again. Let's go to bauchi.

https://www.nairaland.com/6484945/religion-peace-man-burnt-death

nigga

explain this verse

luke 19:27 Jesus said

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.

sagenaija:
Really?
Maybe you were never told of the following:

find me record where prophet Muhammed(saw) killed with his own hands!

sagenaija:
1. One of Abdullah bin Katal’s two singing-girls

On the list of those excluded from amnesty after the conquest of Mecca was not only Abdullah b. Katal, collector of legal alms, who had killed his slave for incompetence, apostatized, and took the money back to Mecca, but also his two singing-girls who sang satirical verses about Muhammad, which Abdullah had composed. He was killed, even though he was clinging to the curtain of the Kabah shrine. And one of the girls was also killed, but the other ran away until she asked for pardon from Muhammad, who forgave her.

Source: Bukhari vol. 4, 3044; Ibn Ishaq, pp. 550-51 / 819/

he was enemy working for the pagans and u expect him to be spared?

not only that he killed his slave

sahih bukhari mentioned the man alone without mentioning of two daughters and also I want u show me the real books of Ibn Ishaq that mentioned the two girls



sahih buhari vol 4 3044 never mentioned that and that ibn ishaq that u mentioned was an historian that use to collect some evidence from jews and christians,so how do u expect those to give true history about the prophet?

sagenaija:
2. Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. When the Allah-inspired prophet heard what she had said, he asked, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?" A member of her husband’s tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

The following morning, the assassin defied anyone to take revenge. No one took him up on his challenge, not even her husband. In fact, Islam became powerful among his tribe. Previously, some members who had kept their conversion secret now became Muslims openly, "because they saw the power of Islam," conjectures Ibn Ishaq.

Source: Ibn Ishaq, pp. 675-76 / 995-96.

this one has already been refuted by hadith scholars

The Killing of Asma': True Story or Forgery?

Basically the charge is that the Prophet  had ordered the killing of Asma' when she insulted him with her poetry. As it is usually the case where the history of Islam and the character of the Prophet is concerned, it is left to the Muslims to throw some light on authenticity of the story in which this incident is reported by the sources and educate the missionaries in matters which they have no clue about.

The story of the killing of Asma' bint Marwan is mentioned by Ibn Sa'd in Kitab At-Tabaqat Al-Kabir and by the author of Kinz-ul-'Ummal under number 44131 who attributes it to Ibn Sa'd, Ibn 'Adiyy and Ibn 'Asaker. What is interesting is that Ibn 'Adiyy mentions it in his book Al-Kamel on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that

...this isnâd (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it.

It is also reported by Ibn al-Gawzi in Al-'Ilaland is listed among other flawed reports.

So according to its isnâd, the report is forged - because one of its reporters is notorious for fabricating hadîth. Hence, such a story is rejected and is better off being put into the trash can.

sagenaija:
3. Abu Afak

Abu Afak, an centenarian elder of Medina, belonging to a group of clans who were associated with the god Manat (though another account has him as a Jew), wrote a derogatory poem about Muhammad, extolling the ancestors of his tribe who were strong enough to overthrow mountains and to resist submitting to an outsider (Muhammad) who divides two large Medinan tribes with religious commands like "permitted" and "forbidden." That is, the poet is referring to Muhammad’s legal decrees about things that are forbidden (e.g. pork and alcohol) and permitted (e.g. other meats like beef and camel). Before the Battle of Badr, Muhammad let him live.

After the battle, the prophet queried, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" That night, Salim b. Umayr "went forth and killed him." One of the Muslims wrote a poem in reply: "A hanif [monotheist or Muslim] gave you a thrust in the night saying / ‘Take that Abu Afak in spite of your age!’"

Source: Ibn Ishaq p. 675 / 995.

The Killing of Abu 'Afak: Where is The Isnâd?

I mean who reported it to historian ibn ishaq?

According to Ibn Sa'd and Ibn Ishâq, Abu 'Afak was a 120 years old Jewish man who had abused the Prophet(saw) verbally, so the latter launched a raid under the command of Salîm Ibn 'Umaîr to kill him. We do know that Ibn Ishâq lived in the 2nd half of the 2nd century after Hijra, as well as Al-Waqîdî from whom Ibn Sa'd (died 230 A.H.) copied the story of Abu 'Afak.

As explained above, the chain of reporters of the story from eye-witnesses of the event till Ibn Ishâq or Al-Waqîdî must be examined and verified. So, our legitimate question is: where is the isnâd (i.e., chain of reporters)?

Unfortunately, references of the Sîrah do not provide such information. Actually, we are told that this story has no isnâd at all; neither Ibn Ishâq (or his disciple Ibn Hîsham) nor Al-Waqîdî (or his disciple Ibn Sa'd) had provided such a thing! In this case, the story is rated by hadîth scholars as "...of no basis", indicating that it has reached the lowest degree of criticism regarding its isnâd. This is in fact a proper scientific position because we cannot accept such a problematic story without evidence.

In brief, we have no commitment to accept such a baseless story - according to scientific criteria of hadîth criticism - which strangely had appeared in the 2nd half of the 2nd century after Hijra. We are therefore obliged to reject the story of the killing of Abu 'Afak by Salîm Ibn 'Umaîr at the Prophet’s command.

this story is baseless.


we Muslims don't believe in all hadiths or history cos it was narrated after the death of prophet Muhammed(saw).

most of it are false and baseless and statements of human about prophet Muhammed Just like Matthew,mark,luke,john.

sagenaija:
Do you know what happened in Yathrib (now Medina) how Mohamed supervised the killing of hundreds of Jews?

heheheehe

for a good reason


The Banu Qurayza initially told the Muslims that they were allied to them during the Battle of the Trench , however, later they sided with the Pagan Arabs of Quraysh and their allies.


they signed treaty with the prophet that they would defend Medina from the pagans of mecca but they betrayed the trust.

so you expected them to be spared?


even Jesus ordered the killing of his enemies


Luke 19:27

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.

peteregwu:
Nigga,

They just killed and burnt somebody to death in bauchi state for insulting Prophet mohammed. The spirit of Islam is at work again. Let's go to bauchi.

https://www.nairaland.com/6484945/religion-peace-man-burnt-death

refute all what I wrote and stop using this as excuse.

Christianity have been burning people for so long plus the prophet never kill anybody in his life time for blasphemy against him.


is it not Christians that burned Muslims in jos and eating them?


another history of Churches burning people

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_burned_as_heretics&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj5-9OMjdrvAhV3_7sIHSAnCkEQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0_zPnVuveMMffveWqkUUNy



even Islam is against burning of people.

Bauchi people are just ignorant nothing more plus we don't know if that news is true.

for Ibadan to be planned,many houses would be demolished

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Holardimeji94:
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Babathanks:
Yes sir, let God judge

that means u dont have respect for church!

peteregwu:
If I was a Muslim and I come across some of this quotes of Muhammed in the quran, there is no way I would love anyone who is not a Muslim.

nigga all the verses of Quran come for a reason,u can't just Chery pick.

peteregwu:
I would end up having this fake love for them in pretext.

including your mama that is not muslim let assume u are muslim?

do u love the idolators?


especially in your Biafra land where their shrines are been demolished by your pastors.

peteregwu:
Deep inside as a Muslim I would have it in mind that the infidels are worthless and that as a Muslim others are shit.

just as Christians see other religions different form theirs.



Deuteronomy 13:6-10 

“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

peteregwu:
. That alone is enough for me to see them that when they are killed I will only ha e little sympathy for them.

Quran commands Muslims to fight those who fight them only.


Allah says in Quran 2:190

Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors.


Allah also says in Quran 60:9


Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

peteregwu:
And the worst part of it is that mohammed never debunked all these quotes or make it obsolete, but rather ignored it because it is still relevant. It is the revelation of who every Muslim should be.

because there is nothing wrong in it and it is revelation from almighty.


did Jesus debunked the violence and swords mentioned in the bible?

Bible mentioned swords like 100 times While Quran never mentioned swords.

did Jesus debunked all the verses?



1samuel15:3

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

including women, animals And children?

nigga what have those Innocents done to your lord?



another one


Numbers 31:17-18

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


nigga what

Jesus even contributed to the hatred and violence


Matthew 10:34-35

Jesus said

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


and so on.

peteregwu:
Just read below


Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the
disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every
stratagem of war."

nigga u supposed to complete the ayat.


And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


yes that is it,it is referring to the pagans of mecca that were attacking the innocent Muslims the time of prophet Muhammed(saw).

the war is justified cos they attacked Muslims first and u won't see where Quran the commands killing of women,animal and youngs unlike Bible.

peteregwu:
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

nigga STFU there,this is correct verse of what u posted.



Quran 9:112. Those who repent, who worship (Him), who praise (Him), who fast, who bow down, who prostrate themselves, who enjoin good and forbid evil, and who observe the limits set by Allah. And give glad tidings to the believers.


Christianity and lies are like 5 and 6.

peteregwu:
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled-Quran:9:29


yes to the pagans that attacked Muslims first and if they repent from theirs bad way(attacking Muslims) then they should pay jizya(a fee paid by non Muslims under Islamic government for his /protection.)


nigga worry about this


Exodus 22:20
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed

peteregwu:
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your
religion will be victorious."

nigga this ain't existing plus ibn ishaq was historian.

it is neither good hadith or Quran verses.

Christians I hail thee

peteregwu:
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

mr man this is the correct verse


Quran 8:39

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.


fight who Christians?

No


who?

the pagans of mecca that were prosecuting the Muslims.



prophet Muhammed lived with the Christians of najran and even never attacked them,so where u get your own shit from?

peteregwu:
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah(disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole
world)."."

how many Quran 8:39 u wan post?


so fitnah means non Muslims?


nah nigga the fitnah is prosecution the Muslims faced in mecca In the hand of pagans.

those same pagans of mecca used to bury their daughters alive until prophet Muhammed stop all these

peteregwu:
Quran 9:29. Fight against such of the people(christians) who despite having been given the Scripture(bible) do not (really) believe in Allâh and the Last Day, and who do not hold unlawful what Allâh and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, and do not subscribe to the true faith, until they pay the Jizyah (- the commutation tax), provided they can afford it, and they are content with their state of subjection (having become incorporated in the Islamic government).

heheheehe u posted your own verses that suits.

this is the real one



Qur'an 9:29


Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued.


on one condition




Quran 2:190 and Quran 60:9 has already explained explained it

and also it applies to the people of the books that followed not what taurat and injeel brought as law.


Again, the verse permits the muslims to fight the non –muslims in an islamic state ONLY and ONLY  if they refuse to pay the jizya – Willingly . Re-read the verse from ANY translation if you are not sure. But once they pay the jizya tax they can continue to believe in their atheistic pagan beliefs, but it will be under an Islamic state. You can still forgive them by not forcing them into Islam, nor oppressing them or being bad to them because of their wrong beliefs.



and I challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers unlike Bible.


Allah said


There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing Quran 2:256

Allah also said


Say : O ye that reject Faith!  I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.  And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.  To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)

peteregwu:
Now tell me after all these quotes why won't I have sympathy for Islamic terrorists trying to advance Islam.

just like u won't have sympathy for Christians terrorists like Columbus,pope innocent III,vikings,king Leopold II,the Iron Guard and Lăncieri and so on!

peteregwu:
Jesus commanded us never to kill anyone and that rather we should pray for our enemies and never retaliate. .

the same your jesus said


Matthew 10:34-35


34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.


luke 12:49

I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!


and I wonder how people would be killing u and u will be looking dumb like fucking idiot?

peteregwu:
He said we should live vengeance for God and he would be the one to fight for us.

where did he said that?

I need Bible verse

is it the same Jesus that curse fig tree while he was Hungry and unable to find fig on the tree?

peteregwu:
He also said that anyone that kill a life would end up in hell fire.

which Bible verse is that?

bring it.


and also the people that killed Jesus for u to be saved are going to hell fire

peteregwu:
That's the reason we christians can't even take up weapons to kill anyone.

then how come king Leopold,columbus,vikings and so on were killing?

peteregwu:
Hope you all get what I am saying?

peteregwu:
And jesus proved it by not fighting anyone

cos he and his people didn't see war like prophet Samuel,moses,david and prophet Muhammed(peace be upon all of them)

peteregwu:
even when he was arrested and killed.

u mean God Almighty was killed?

peteregwu:
Despite being God and messiah

U mean God come from woman p****y and sucked breast?


may we be free from stupidity and delicion

peteregwu:
he never raised his hand over any life to take it.

the reason is that

he was never in position to take

he and his people never see war like other prophets.

peteregwu:
Christians never killed anyone in the name of Jesus because Jesus cancelled the previous law of an eye for an eye. But for the quran killing is still valid, that's why the Islamic terrorists use it. I don't blame them actually, mohammed did the same thing. So they are following the ways of mohammed. Whatever they are doing is what their leader taught them to do. Why will mohammed command that Christians and jews should be killed?

then how come Vikings,columbus,pope Innocent 111 and crusaders killed in the name of Jesus?

JohnNgene:
I want you to close your eyes and imagine a Nigeria without Christians or Christianity. Imagine Sharia being enforced in all of Nigeria. Imagine an Islamic Republic of Nigeria. Does it look like a country you'd like to be a citizen of?

does stupid nigga like even know the meaning of Sharia?

AK481:
Yao Ibrahim and Mohammed are Christian name ?

Interesting!

northern Christians bears Arabic name everything.

people like babachir lawal