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zimmaking:
I decided not to reply the foolish man.They are full of lies,even their bloody, pedophile sh!t prophet.I told him what has Islam brought to humanity,he was blabbing and saying nothing.Christianity brought life,internet, electricity,planes,trains,cars, submarines.Western
education, medicine is top notch.Islam brought nothing than woes, pedophile,wars ,jihad, illetracy.Imagine their dumb prophet recommending camel urine as malaria drug for his followers.

will u keep shut.

Most of those invention were made by non Christians.

U stupid African Christians,what have u invent?



Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/index.html



10 Biggest Muslim Inventions


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Jq9VIjLJY

sagenaija:
Typical Moslem escapist route.
Why not simply provide the link to where you answered or copy and repaste it here.
You know that you have no answer.

since u have been posting your question,did u see me run?

u answer my question if truly believe in what u hold!

this is the link to history of Quran

this is the history of ALQURAN

https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2017/06/02/history-of-the-compilation-of-quran



now u answer my question I've been asking u since last week.

u failed to answer this this last time,that means u can't defend what u hold.

and stop fuckin mentioning my name no more if u dont answer This

New International Version

Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse
King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering u since we started this but u don't want to answer my ownis either u explain this misery or u shut up.





New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse


King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1




This version even omitted the age



JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.




What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering since we started this but u don't want to answer,is either u explain this misery or u shut up.





New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse


King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1




This version even omitted the age



JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.




What happened there Mr man?

Cc segenaija

U keep dodging This,why is it problem for u to expand This misery?

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

peteregwu:
Nigga,

You still dey talk.

Your quran is full of lies

and y'all haven't prove it.


Your Bible that isn't lie

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

Which one is true?

peteregwu:
just like she lied that Jesus is not the Son of God.

explain how God give birth to Jesus.

peteregwu:
She also lied that jesus never died on the cross.

why would Jesus die on Cross?

Why y'all niggas want barbaric death for Jesus by fire by force?

peteregwu:
She also lied that it was ismael that Abraham wanted to sacrifice to God instead of isaac. Etc

so how is that affect your faith!

peteregwu:
Everywhere is lies in your religion and that is till today, its a religion in crises.

heheheehe

Hi

peteregwu:
I have told you before but you still doubted it.

niggaaaa!

U ain't explaining shit nigga

If to say prophet Muhammed say this,yall niggas would have gone wild.


I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"


Who are those enemies and the kill statement there?

sagenaija:
You're gradually beginning to agree. You'll get there. So, 'writing style for example... and so on' constitute differences between the two.

bro stop disgracing yourself bro!

How is writing style change meaning of something?

sagenaija:
Reviewing one of the examples:
Sura 2:125 in Hafs and the Warsh.

Hafs says : وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take)
BUT in Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).

now tell me the difference between the Arabic u posted?

I'm telling u stop disgracing yourself.

Sebi Arabic Quran are different?



Show me the difference!

sagenaija:
Now, we are tired of this claim by you guys of 'you don't understand Arabic' bla, bla, bla. Arabic is a human language. Or is it not?

yeah
U want to know Quran is different but u don't have knowledge of Arabic.
Can u argue on Greek without understanding Greek?

sagenaija:
If Arabic cannot be understood or easily translated into English then something is wrong; don't you think? So, spare us that argument.

is Arabic not translate?

Oh u want to translated English to argue on Arabic?

What a pathetic shiit?

sagenaija:
I've chosen to disregard your misunderstanding of some of the things I stated. I know that COMPREHENSION is a major issue for many of you guys. I also assure you that I've watched all the videos I refer people to. It will be disingenuous of me not to.

u see that your pastor fadi u relied on is nothing but joke.

sagenaija:
I'm afraid you have still not provided EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

maybe u blind cos I don't know how many time I'm going to answer u.

Holardimeji94:
Keyboard and mouse sef is the easiest to play game like Gta.. ps 2 games sef na keyboard I Dey use buh fear say make e no go spoil I stop am.. bro use keyboard and mouse you’ll enjoy your game

bro how do u kill enemies without using mouse to lock on target on GTA v pc ?

I mean I use mouse to direct the shooting cursor before I can kill enemies.

and before I do that,they already shoot my character.


how can I stop using mouse to control shooting cursor?

sagenaija:
The internet has made things easier. What was previously difficult to get is now readily accessible. So, when you keep saying 'no evidence for this' or 'show me ...' I wonder if you are really sincere.

and the funny things is that u never watch those videos ,u just copy and paste it.

sagenaija:
Can you in all honesty say that the Hafs version of the Koran and the Warsh version are the same word for word without a single difference?

Except writing style for example.
البريئة and آلبريّة.
تمّ and تمتم
يَحْسَبُ and. يَحْسِبُ
أن لا and ألا



And so on but u,u don't understand Arabic and your Al fadi is deceiver,so how u supposed to know the difference?
Writing style is what Al fadi is calling different for u.
What a shame.
And NB bro,Al Quran copies is more than hafs and warsh.

sagenaija:
On Mohamed forgetting a portion of the Koran: first

your evidence of prophet Muhammed forgetting portion of al quran in that Hadith?

sagenaija:
because it was narrated by Aisha you want to query it.

read the Hadith yourself Mr man.

sagenaija:
Then, you claim whether it matters. Are you saying that you can't see the implication that if a portion of the Koran has been forgotten WHEN IT WAS NOT IN THE WRITTEN FORM as a single volume then the Koran you have today is not all that Mohamed received from Allah?

why are u showing your ignorance here?

Do u used to forgot a written text u are looking at in your own house?
Did u remember all the math theory u memorised in secondary school?

When I waa young I memorised many verses of ALQURAN but now I've forget some of it.

So how that make all printed Quran different?

sagenaija:
You said 'Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior'. If so why did Allah talk about forgiving Mohamed's sins?

Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a human like us,he sins and he will ask for forgiveness.
And how is piety and good behavior stop sins?

Even despite Jesus also been good man,he also sinned.

He stole maize in people farm in Sabbath day -matthew 12:1

He called his mother "WOMAN" -John 19:26-27

He called people people " fool "after he already warned against calling people fool.-Matthew 23:17

And so on

Finally bible Said

What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?
Job15:14

Your own Paul said Jesus has took away all your sins.

Then how come Jesus taught u lord prayers where he made mentioned of FORGIVE US OUR SINS-Luke 11:2-4

sagenaija:
If you really believe yourself when you stated that 'Uthman copy is what we are using today'

cos he was the caliph that made the last copy among the 4 rightly guided caliph.
www.dailysabah.com › feature
Web results
History of the compilation of Quran | Daily Sabah

then all I can say is that you still have a lot of things to clear up.[/quote]bro u think it is Bible?

sagenaija:
Can you sincerely show us the EVIDENCE for this your claim?

he was the caliph that made the last copy among the 4 rightly guided caliph.
www.dailysabah.com › feature
Web results
History of the compilation of Quran | Daily Sabah


And I already told u many time why he burnt the copies during his time.

sagenaija:
Do that and I will answer all of your questions.

I've been answering since u started.
I don't know why u won't answer my own.
U must answer it ooooooooo

sagenaija:
If you claim that the Koran never named the names THEN you have no reason to make a statement which the Koran never made.

If the Koran never said that Paul "corrupted" Christianity then Moslems have no right to make such claims. You cannot eat your cake and have it. It's either you stick to your Koran's position of silence on the matter or you open up yourselves for queries.

The name of Paul is contained in a book of Islam. You have not denied that. What you have instead done is to claim that ONLY what the Koran clearly states or is attributed to Mohamed will be accepted by you. I HOPE YOU USE THE SAME YARDSTICK FOR EVERY OTHER ISSUE YOU FACE IN ISLAM. A case in point is your daily prayers - do you find the number of times you are to pray in the Koran directly?

When you people have to deny your books just to 'win' a point in a debate, doesn't that show that you lack standards? When it will serve your purpose you can bring up the tafsir but when it will not you run to the Hadiths and the Koran. And when the Hadiths will not support your position you will claim that Koran is the ONLY authority you will rely on. Is your religion then not built on shifting sand? You move where it's convenient. And that makes sense to you?

Even if we agree with you that ibn Kathir referenced someone else, the real question is DID HE SAY THAT THE PERSON WAS WRONG IN WHAT HE SAID? The answer to that question is NO! If he didn't accept the view he would not have stated it.

If Islam presents CONFLICTING positions on issues that should be a source of concern to you guys. But because it helps you to shift grounds you enjoy it.

If there is "difference of opinion among the scholars of tafsir" like you stated, does that not again buttress our point about the INCONSISTENCIES IN ISLAM? Why the varying positions? Why no UNIFIED positions?

You went at length to try to differentiate between 'messenger' or 'sent one'. What you FORGOT is that we started from the Koran. The tafsir explains the Koran. If the Koran says "we sent" who is the 'we' who 'sent'? Is the 'sent' not a messenger of the 'we'? In other words, if Allah said "we sent" so and so then so and so are MESSENGERS of Allah. You either conveniently forgot that or deliberately ignored it. So what the tafsir does thereafter is to explain Allah's position in the Koran. You should be consistent in your line of argument. But I know that all most of what to do is to 'win' a debate. In the process you end up tying up yourselves in knots.

If the Koran says Allah SENT messengers and the Hadith says no messenger was sent between Jesus and Mohamed which would you accept - using your own line of reasoning here?

You never take time to see how your arguement lines up before you shout 'I refuted him!' As if merely stating issues or quoting portions from here and there amounts to refutation.

Is there ONCE Mohamed said anything against Paul?
This is what this thread is about.
If Mohamed, who is supposed to be the example to be followed, NEVER ONCE attacked Paul then Moslems should STOP attacking Paul.

what a joke.



question.

is it Ibn Kathir that actually mentioned Paul as the third or not?




and another question u keep dodging



New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

and where is original Bible?
. What you FORGOT is that we started from the Koran. The tafsir explains the Koran. If the Koran says sent

.

Cc sagenaija

Hmmmm continue

the fact that Quran never the names and the hadith never mentioned of those men's names,why is it only ibn Kathir commentary u believe and not other commentary?


[b]Does Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir of the Quran say that this verse refers to Paul of Tarsus and thus Paul (Bulus) is one of the Messengers of God according to Islam.

No?
not ibn Kathir says it.

Let’s see whether Ibn Kathir makes such a claim.

Ibn Kathir writes:

“The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus, and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).”

But the question is this Ibn Kathir’s view?

No. This saying is attributed to: Shu`ayb Al-Jaba’i

Ibn Kathir is quoting Shu`ayb Al-Jaba’i. Ibn Kathir has also quoted interpretations of different people as well. He says that according to Ibn Ishaq the names of these three are:

(i) Sadiq
(ii) Saduq
(iii) Shalum

Note: No Bulus (i.e. Paul) mentioned here.

Later on Ibn Kathir in his tafsir refutes this and says that according to the proceeding Quranic verses the people were destroyed. Historically there is no evidence that the city of Antioch faced such destruction and thus this cannot even be about the city of Antioch.

Analyzing Some Tafsirs

Now let’s check Qurtubi whom these missionaries have labeled to be “The Number 1 Muslim Imam”.

Qurtubi:

“Tabari mentions: Sadiq Saduq Shalum

Someone else: Shamoun Yuhanna

Al Naqash said: Saman and Yahya – Did not mention Sadiq and Saduq.

According to Qurtubi Jesus sent the first two as messengers to the king of Antioch. To him they said “We are disciples of Jesus”. The king jailed them and whipped them. This news reached Jesus and he sent a third messenger ‘Shamoun Al-Safa’.”

Note: Qurtubi does not mention any Paul (Bulus) either.

We will now check another tafsir

Tafsir Ibn Abbas:

(When We sent unto them twain) two apostles: Simon the Canaanite and Thomas, (and they denied them both, so We reinforced them with a third) We strengthened them with Simon Peter who confirmed the message conveyed by the other two apostles, (and they said; Lo! we have been sent unto you.

Note: No Paul mentioned over there either.

What we have done here is basically refuted the idea that the Tafsirs unanimously agree that one of the three people sent as messengers was Paul. There is a difference of opinion among the scholars of tafsir which is evidence that neither the Quran mentions the name of Paul as one of the messengers nor did Prophet Muhammad (saw) ever mention his name with regards to this verse.

Does The Verse Really Talk About Messengers (Rasul)?

Now we will go on to refute the idea that the verse is talking of a Rasul of Allah.

The Arabic text of the Quran clearly shows the word used for these three to be “mursaloon”. Mursaloon which is the plural of mursal means “sent one”. This word has been highlighted in the concerned verse above.

Rasul (pl. rusul) in Islam has a specific definition.

Generally the word means:ambassador, messenger, envoy, emissary, forerunner, apostle, and courier.

Mursal (pl. mursaloon) means: sent one

This word, in the Quran can or can not refer to a prophet of Allah. For example in the Quran we see the following verse:

وَإِنِّي مُرْسِلَةٌ إِلَيْهِم بِهَدِيَّةٍ فَنَاظِرَةٌ بِمَ يَرْجِعُ الْمُرْسَلُونَ

But indeed, I will send to them a gift and see with what [reply] the messengers will return. – [Quran 27:35]

The same word “mursaloon” has been used. So does this mean that the messengers that Bilqis sent were RUSUL?

Another verse of the Quran:

فَلَمَّا جَاء آلَ لُوطٍالْمُرْسَلُونَ
At length when the messengers arrived among the adherents of Lut – [Quran 15:61]

Again the same word “mursaloon” is used. Does this mean that the angels which came to Lut were RUSUL?

Of course the answer to both the questions is “No”. None of them was a rasul but they were only ‘sent ones’. This word “mursaloon” simply means a messenger and not necessarily RasulAllah





The Last Blow

It has clearly been refuted that according to the Quran or the Tafsir Paul was a Rasul of Allah (swt). For the final blow to the deception which the Christian missionaries try to create let us take a look at a hadith of Prophet Muhammad (saw).

There is a clear hadith from the mouth of Prophet Muhammad (saw):

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Apostle saying, “I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus).” – [Sahih Bukhari Vol.4, Book 55, #651] This hadith has also been recorded in Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

Conclusion

The whole idea of Paul being a rasul of God has been defeated in this article.

1) The verse 36:14 does not talk about a rasul (messenger)but only about mursaloon(sent ones)

2) Whether the verse in question refers to Paul or not is a matter of interpretation and clearly there are many scholars who don’t even mention Paul’s name in their tafsir of this verse.

3) Ibn Kathir himself refutes the claim of the city being Antioch.

4) According to Sahih Hadith it is clear that between Jesus (as) and Prophet Muhammad (saw) there has been no prophet and hence Paul could have never been a prophet.

5) Even if, for argument’s sake, we would say that according to Ibn Kathir Paul is a Rasul of God, no tafsir can supercede the authentic hadith. This would be Ibn Kathir’s interpretation and Ibn Kathir was a man and not a rasul of God hence his word can never be taken over the word of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)



The pathetic is that Jesus used to mention his 12 displines and Paul is never in no way among the mentioned.

SpecialAdviser:
Christians are not free. But Christians do not exhibit the level of hypocrisy the Muslims do.

like how?

SpecialAdviser:
The north and scam are like 5 & 6.

They will be praying their rosary and chanting prayers in the public to deceive the poor masses.

If have been to the north, you will fully understand that hypocrisy has gone digital. Everything is done on deception.

Their Sharia law is only applicable to the poor.

will u keep quiet?

are u saying Christians free from scamming?

haekymbahd:
You are quite ignorant of your Gods childhood from age 1 - 29.. If you know about it you won't be asking if Jesus killed someone with is own hand


According to infant gospel of thomas

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the age of five to age twelve,[9] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[9] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[2] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[10] and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

@compton11 @zimmaking

no mind him.

Ive been telling him to explain Luke 19:27 to me but he is dodging my questions

peteregwu:
Nigga,

You are still talking.

niggaaaa!

I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

sagenaija:
I gave you links to where differences in the Koran versions were dealt with. If you did not refer to them it simply means that you don't want clarity but just to keep on arguing. At the end of the day you want to shout 'I refuted you!', 'You didn't provide any proof!'

bro the links u gave, I doubted u even watch it.

I keep telling u to Show the me same verses of Quran that are different in another another copy of Quran.

U are rely your evidence on that nigga called Al fadi and Jay Smith?
The pathetic thing about this fadi is that,whenever he is exposed on his Facebook page,he will blocked u immediately,he called himself Islamic scholar and doesn't know that( آلبريّة) and (ٱلبريئة)are the same text with different writing method,that is one of the things he showed u and u saying Quran have different version,he eventually corrected his lies after he was exposed.
This is who Jay Smith relied on in translating Arabic,so pathetic.

sagenaija:
Read the thread and watch the clip provided then bring out anything from them that is wrong and we will deal with it. Debating is about providing FACTS not attacking people. '

I never attack u bro

sagenaija:
The Islamic librarian Abi Yaqub Nadim in 377 AH ( 987 AD) compiled 7 books by early Moslems about discrepancies of the Koranic manuscripts. So, its been known as far back as then that there are issues with the Koranic manuscripts. Its not just a 21st century matter.

bro no evidence for this bro or u have evidence for It?

sagenaija:
Again, you can believe anything you want to believe. Just be sure that you are honest with yourself about it, having examined FACTS about the issue.

it is that is not honest bro,i keep asking u this question and u haven't answer it,why skipping it?

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
Here is Christian Prince on the issue:
https://youtu.be/WBXXCKB6uLMr.

bro u don't even watch it,u just copy and paste it and the pathetic thing is that,all the links above it are from this YouTube links.
So pastor Al fadi is not reliable again,it is not Christian prince?
Show me where he said all Quran versions are different.

sagenaija:
Hadith: Ubayy ibn Ka'b feel doubt because of ahruf
https://sunnah.com/muslim/6/332

some of his links under his video.

This hadith talked about recitation of al Quran,so how is people reciting ALQURAN differently make Al Quran to be different?
Is just like how we Yoruba are reciting in our own dialect is different from those of Hausas and we are ready the same thing.
Try again bro.[b][/b]

sagenaija:
Hadith: Muhammad forgot verses and surah
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/62

It is even not prophet Muhammed(saw)it was his wife Aisha(rtd)
This is the hadith

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.
So tell me how this related to Quran that is different?
She has already memorised the part and she forget it,so what is the matter?
If u have memorised one particular verse of Bible and u forget,does that means that particular verses have been changed in the written book?

sagenaija:
Hadith: Muhammad cut the hands and feet and gouge the eyes of thieves:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/227

so from different Version of Quran to this?

The fact that those people killed a shepherd that gave them drinks and drive away his camels,they is why they deserve death penalty.
But cutting hand and gouging their eyes out is nothing but weak narration against him, when they have already been killed,why cutting and gouging their eyes out?
Vast majority of Muslims dont believe it,hadith is like bible,collecting it from different people and any hadith that contradicti Al Quran is fake.
Bro try again.

Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior
Allah said
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and (who) remembers Allah often.”

(Surat al-Ahzab, 33:21)

Bro,did u believe prophet Elisha also did this?

2 Kings 2:23-25

23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered(A) at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!”
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
25 And he went on to Mount Carmel(D) and from there returned to Samaria.

The prophets of God are not known for wickedness.

sagenaija:
Hadith: a thief who steals an egg or a rope, his hand is to be cut off.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/86/29

bro u will tell me where rope and egg were mentioned in this hadith
Narrated `Aisha:

The Prophet (ﷺ) cut off the hand of a lady, and that lady used to come to me, and I used to convey her message to the Prophet (ﷺ) and she repented, and her repentance was sincere.
Who was the lady?
Her name was Fatima bint Al-Aswad
What was her crime
According to Aisha, she used to borrow items and then deny that she had them.[10] Another tradition describes the stolen items as “jewellery”.In a third version, she went out in the night and, having met a camp of travellers, she took one of their bags. But she was caught red-handed, and the travellers seized her and tied her up.
In the morning, she was brought before Muhammad.He decreed that her hand should be cut off.

The rich Quraysh OGs became very worried about her,and looked for an intercessor to mitigate the penalty. More than one person interceded with prophet Muhammad for her.Fatima's relatives felt that the only person who would dare to approach Prophet Muhammad, and the only one likely to have any influence over him, was his adopted grandson, Usama ibn Zayd, who was high in his favour.The family spoke to Usama, who in his turn approached Muhammad.

Usama spoke on Fatima's behalf, but prophet Muhammad's face changed colour, and he asked him: “Are you interceding to violate one of Allah’s laws?
Usama, do not speak to me. When the hudud are violated, there is no alternative. If my own daughter had stolen, I would have cut off her hand.” Usama replied, “Messenger of Allah, seek forgiveness for me!

Whether u are rich or poor and u committed crime deliberately,u would be punished.

After that punishment she used to visit prophet wife .
Aisha asserted that Fatima “truly repented”. When she was in need, she would visit Aisha, who used to pass on her requests to prophet Muhammad.

Fatima was married in prophet Muhammad's lifetime. Her kunya Umm Amr indicates that she had a son named Amr.

Whatever she stole wasn't small things,because in islam for your hand to be cut in Sharia countries for theft,what I stole must worth something,because the Prophet(saw) said
A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The hand of a thief should not be cut off but for a quarter of a dinar and upwards.

That half quarter gold dinar worth over 100,000 naira right now.

And Quran brought the punishment for stealing
And (as for) the male thief and the female thief, cut off (from the wrist joint) their (right) hands as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allaah. And Allaah is All Powerful, All Wise” [al-Maa’idah 5:38]

Now there are conditions for theif for his/her hand not to be be cut if he/she stole.

1-The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.

2-The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.

3-The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away, i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.

4-The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.

5-The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thief’s) hand does not have to be cut off.

6.if the theif is madman or not adult,no cutting of hands.

7.if the theif didn't do it deliberatly,he did it be need maybe his wife or child is in serious condition and he still for them to be cure,no cutting hand.

8.if the theif stole in term of famine or hunger ,no cutting of hands.
And so on


Bro Islam is religion of knowledge not just John 3:16 and tithles.

Now let see cutting of hands in bible

Jesus said
If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.-Matthew 5:30

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Wallahi this is funny

From David the man of God
2 Samuel 4:9-12

David answered Rekab and his brother Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, “As surely as the Lord lives, who has delivered(A) me out of every trouble, 10 when someone told me, ‘Saul is dead,’ and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag.(B) That was the reward I gave him for his news!
How much more—when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed—should I not now demand his blood(C) from your hand and rid the earth of you!”

So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them.(D) They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner’s tomb at Hebron.

sagenaija:
The plain truth is that:
1. No early manuscripts of the Koran dating before those written hundreds of years after Mohamed exist today.

like which one

Uthman copy is what we are using today and I have already told u why usman burnt all the copies of all Quran.

sagenaija:
2. The various Arabic versions of the Koran have differences some of which change the meanings significantly.

and I have been telling u to show,dont just be pasting links that u also dont research on it to me.

sagenaija:
3. The Koran has not been 'Perfectly Preserved' as modern day Moslems have brainwashed themselves to believe.

Allah perfectly preserved it unlike Bible.

Mr man,where is the original Bible u talked about?

peteregwu:
Nigga,



If I may ask as you didn't believe what i posted here, now, how many people did Jesus kill in your quran and how many did he kill in the bible? Even hso disciples never killed one person but they lay down their lives for gospel of christ. Uptil now, Christians are still laying down their lives for the christ sake. .

Then tell me the meaning of luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

And Don't act like Christians love peace

Columbus,pope innocent III,vikings,crusaders,leopald and so on did many actrocities in the name of Christ.

peteregwu:
Remember the redeemed Christian woman that was also killed in Abuja while preaching? .

Your evidence that he was killed by Muslims?

What is your evidence?
A Muslims that Believe in Allah and the last day would never killed a non Muslim that didn't do anything.

whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
QURAN 5:32

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.”
Qur'an 5:8

peteregwu:
Abeg, If you can't give me a reply, then you should bow out. In fact you guys should be ashamed if your son called religion..

as far as u are writing and I'm still alive,i would be giving u reply.

peteregwu:
Now see what is going on in Mozambique as well now, Islamic terrorists has taking over the norther part as well, killing children, men and women. Go and read their ordeal online. Abeg nigga, yih know get mouth oo .

This is same u are talking about are killing more Muslims than Christians especially in the north east.

It is political and those who are wiring them guns are non Muslims from overseas trying to do business too.

peteregwu:
But mohammed killed and shed blood, likewise his own followers and till today, they are still killing and shedding blood. They even advanced into suicide bombing. that's clear, and the difference is clear. "by their fruits, ye shall know them.

Prophet Muhammed personally never once shed blood with his own hands in his life.

And all the war the muslims fought during his time was self defense
And why would a sane person killed himself with bombs?
He who do that is destined to hell

O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful QURAN 29:30.

Thabit Ibn Al-Dahak narrated that the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] said, “Whosoever kills himself with anything in this world will be tortured with it on the Day of Judgment.

Even if Jesus and his followers saw prosecution during his time ,God would have commanded him to fight too just as he commanded Joshua,david,moses and so on.
And also how can u know Jesus never killed?
The man u don't know his history from 3 years old to 29 years

froshdhayveed:
na u b d oponu.. I'm not talking about individual Mumu.. I'm talking about una religious body

arindin nie tell your own church to do the same

SarkinYarki:
Even your moniker shows you are a hoodrt

shut the hell up nigga!

SarkinYarki:
Definitely killed by a black American..You run leave Bokoharam and Bandits for Nigeria only to meet those heartless black Americans who kill for no reason

will u shut up

white Americans are more than black Americans

Lovethaa:
Jesus is the Greatest... Hallelujah

his father is greater than him through and john the Baptist is greater than him too

froshdhayveed:
something the religion of piss will Neva do

Oponu ni ẹ

making all matters religious and shiit.

Dangote and BUA are Christians?

sagenaija:
Did you say "There is one Arabic version"? Really?

As usual, denial the reality. Did you miss this thread?:
https://www.nairaland.com/6445222/different-arabic-versions-quran

are u saying u know more than me?

CIRA international


friends with David wood amd sam shoumoun.

Pastor Al fadi and Jay Smith

Well Jay Smith has already claimed they used to disguise as Muslims in Muslims community in other to convert them to Christianity


Typical Christians tactic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3gPpl-ixPU

They have been exposed many time including your GJO MOSHAY that nobody know who is him



Kindly show me a picture of the same Quranic verses that there Arabic text is not the same.


And those are not versions Mr man,calling it versions means it has different meanings

The question I asked about the Bible versions that are different,u skip the question,i will ask u again


New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
Or is it the usual case of Moslems lying with a straight face?
Are you saying that you have never heard of Hafs Koran, Warsh Koran, al-Duri, Qalum, Khalaf and over 30 more - ALL IN ARABIC!

and I would like u to show me how those Quran Arabic text are different .

sagenaija:
And there are differences between them!
If you want to deny this then see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNj1z0t_c_M

they are of the same Arabic text,m just show me the difference.

YouTube by non Muslims,wow?

This nigga has been exposed many time.

Tell your pastors Al fadi to show us those Quran in real life and not your edited YouTube.

Pastor Al fadi

This is one of his exposed video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaPF47X0Evs

sagenaija:
In the case of the Bible there is only ONE in the original languages.

and where is it?



The ones you referred to are TRANSLATIONS into the English language.[/quote]isn't the translation y'all using in your church?
Or is not the one u are using to collect titles?
How come all translations have clearly different meaning?

For example

Matthew 6:12 - is debt and sin the same?

sagenaija:
But here we are talking about the Koran in the same Arabic but have DIFFERENCES that change the meanings in several instances. .

im still waiting for the difference.

sagenaija:
So, if you still don't agree show that Hafs is in every respect - word for word, letter for letter, like you guys have been spoon fed with - the same as Warsh for instance. .

Ok
I'm still waiting for it

sagenaija:
Anybody can believe anything 100%. Some believe, against all scientific evidence, that the earth is flat. But that belief does not change the REALITY. .

Ok,u believe all bible 100℅ right?

sagenaija:
Btw, the Koran is supposed to be RECITATIONS, isn't it? So, Mohamed may well have been reciting it during his time BUT no BOUND copy existed unless you disagree with your Islamic history and sources. Or perhaps you modern day Moslems are trying to rewrite your Islamic history. .

During the 23 years of prophet Muhammad's time as a prophet, the verses of the Quran were memorized as they were revealed, and about 42 scribes wrote the verses on different materials such as paper, cloth, bone fragments and leather.




The one that doesn't know his Bible history want to teach me Islamic history.

Let assume all Bible were burn today,how are Christians going to write another when they don't memorise it?

sagenaija:
What did Abu Bakr do when he was confronted with concerns about the Koran? Did he say lets look for copies or did he then begin the compilation from different sources? If it was already existing why do a fresh compilation? .

During the time of Caliph Abu Bakr, when 70 people who knew the Quran by heart (qari), were killed in the Battle of Yamama, Umar ibn al-Khattab became concerned and appealed to Abu Bakr in order to compile the Quran into a book.

Abu Bakr formed a delegation under the leadership of Zaid ibn Thabit, one of the leading scribes.

This delegation of 12 people, including famous figures such as Uthman ibn Affan, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Talha ibn Ubaydullah, Abdullah ibn Masood, Ubayy ibn Kab, Khalid ibn al-Walid, Hudhaifah and Saleem, came together in Umar's house and collected all the materials on which verses from the Quran were written.

In addition, the verses memorized by the companions were heard as well. Each of them was asked to show two witnesses for the verse they read.

Tell us the history of how Bible was written.

sagenaija:
Uthman even had his own REVISED VERSION after which he DESTROYED every other copy. Have you ever wondered why he should destroy other copies if they contained the same thing? Abu Bakr's copy?.

u know why uthman burnt all the Quran.

Between 650 and 656 the third Caliph Uthman ibn Affan caused the text of the Qur'an (Koran) to be codified. He placed Zayd ibn Thabit (Zaid Ibn Thabit), the personal scribe of Prophet Muhammad, in charge of the project. Identifical copies were sent to every Muslim province to be used as the standard text from which all copies of the Qur'an were made.

"During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran in different dialects of Arabic language became obvious. A group of companions, headed by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, who was then stationed in Iraq, came to Uthman and urged him to 'save the Muslim ummah before they differ about the Quran' . Uthman obtained the complete manuscript of the Qur'an from Hafsah, one of the wives of the Islamic prophet Muhammad who had been entrusted to keep the manuscript ever since the Qur'an was comprehensively compiled by the first Caliph, Abu Bakr. Uthman then again summoned the leading compiling authority, Zayd ibn Thabit, and some other companions to make copies of the manuscript. Zayd was put in charge of the task. The style of Arabic dialect used was that of the Quraysh tribe to which the Prophet Muhammad belonged. Hence this style was emphasized over all others.

"Zayd and his assistants produced several copies of the manuscript of the Qur'an. One of each was sent to every Muslim province with the order that all other Quranic materials, whether fragmentary or complete copies, be destroyed. As such, when the standard copies were made widely available to the Muslim community everywhere, then all other material was burnt voluntarily by the Muslim community themselves. The annihilation of these extra-Qur'anic documents remained essential in order to eradicate scriptural incongruities, contradictions of consequence or differences in the dialect from the customary text of the Qur'an. The Caliph Uthman kept a copy for himself and returned the original manuscript to Hafsah"

sagenaija:
Btw, no one accused Uthman of destroying Koran but Moslems today are quick to slaughter anyone they claim has desecrated the Koran..

Why would a sane non Muslim burn the book of other faiths?

And Quran can be burn in clean place or buried if it is old.

sagenaija:
And even Uthman's copy CANNOT be found today. All today's copies are those written well after Uthman. For example, do you know when Hafs produced his Koran?.

it is uthman copy we are using nowadays bro it is uthman copy,it is the one that was compiled during his reign.

sagenaija:
These may be hard FACTS for you to accept because you have been fed with the PROPAGANDA that there is only one Koran.

hmmmm

Mr man worry about different bible versions with different meanings

And
Where can we see the original Bible of yours?

JovialJune:
Who did Jesus head slam to?
Nsidime.

God Almighty
even not only Jesus slammed head
people like Moses,David,Aaron,Jacob were all head slammers

Kriss216:
Ned was/is a head slammer!

just like Jesus! both are /were head slammers

sagenaija:
Thank you for admitting that Mohamed killed people even though you justify it by claiming that they were against him. When you guys start off with 'Mohamed never did this', 'Mohamed never did that' and end up claiming that he was justified in killing those people because they were his enemies or opposed him it shows that you are being disingenuous.

tell me the Bible prophets that spared those who are in war with them?

U think u wise ? no u stupid

.Bible God commanded samuel

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.



Even if Jesus encountered oppression and war against him and his people during his time ,he would have fight,so because the prophet ordered the killing of war enemies and spy,that makes him not a prophet?

But saul,samuel,david,solomom,moses and so on can do the same?

He and followers faced oppression from the pagans of mecca just because he told them that they should be believe in One God, treat the poor with kindness and stop buring their daughters



Even Jesus said

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27.



even hear what your lord did for prophet Elisha when some little niggas were calling him bald head.

in the book of 2 Kings 2:23-24

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

sagenaija:
I have said it repeatedly that Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. For ANY given thing in Islam you can always find the opposite. So Moslems can always play around with whichever they want and claim that the other one no longer applies.

that is what in Christianity.
If we ask Christians is Jesus God?

Some will say yes while some will say No.

sagenaija:
How come Islam hasn't sat down to determine which Islamic books are genuine and which are fake so as to discard the fake ones? The answer is simple. The books came from the amalgamation of 'Tales from Arabia'. Many of them, created hundreds of years after Mohamed died, never really came from his time

Islamic scholars has already done that.

Some history that are real about the prophet and the one that are not real

Even the fake Quran and fake books Christians are writing against Islam.


But Why are Christians producing fake Quran?

Is that the way of winning soul for Christ?

Producing fake things about other religions?

sagenaija:
including the Koran.

u mean Quran never existed during the time of the prophet?
What a dumb nigga
So if Qur'an never existed during his Time,what was he using?

sagenaija:
As different compilers came up their independent and uncoordinated works resulted in the mumbo jumbo we have today as Islamic sources and books. As a result Moslems pick and choose which thing to accept in Islam.

so we should all accept them even if it is fake?

Can u accept fake history about Jesus plus Mr man?


Tell us the history of Jesus from 3 years old to 30.

sagenaija:
But then INTEGRITY is a scarce commodity in Islam so, even in the face of glaring inconsistencies in the Narratives of Islam Moslems still run with their emotions headlong into them. That again is why when Moslems are told that their claim that the Koran has been 'Perfectly Preserved' without change is false they still refuse to accept it.

then show me one Arabic Quran that is different from another one.

There is one one Arabic version

Unlike Bible


New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
And when over 30 different Arabic (not English) versions are shown to them, they begin to dance around looking for how to make that fit into their claim.

pls show me the Arabic version that has different words.

sagenaija:
You mentioned chains of narrators. Who verified them? Remember that the documents LISTING them were created hundreds of years after Mohamed. So, any person can decide to 'authenticate' his writings by claiming a list that goes back to Mohamed. Unless you guys can find the 7th century source documents you are still living in fools Paradise.

just like I told u if someone write fake report about Jesus,are u going to believe?

sagenaija:
You said:



Note that you said 'Islamic sources'. So, Allah couldn't ensure that his message AND examples through his 'seal' of the prophets were preserved accurately.

His message is Qur'an in which we Muslims believe 100%

sagenaija:
He allowed satan to infiltrate his people and distort issues. Interesting!

histories about prophet Muhammed is not sacred and not part of our religious obligation,so?


Now bible Is part of Christianity
With all the different in versions if Bible,did he allowed satan to infiltrate Christians to distort issues too?

As a Protestant Where is books of Baruch, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Tobit and Wisdom of Solomon in your own Bible?

peteregwu:
Nigga,



Its a parable. Jesus was referring to the end time, when he would return and judge those who never believed in him and those that are into sin and evil.

what a pathetic shiit!
So it is parable when it involves violence but it is not parable when it is about love?

Parables indeed

Luke 22:35-36

35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.



Luke 12:51

New International Version
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.


Why did Jesus cursed fig tree?

peteregwu:
Jesus would be the one that would bring judgement upon all sinners and those that rejected him or even those that claim to be Christians but lived in sin and never forsook their sins.

John 5:22-23 KJV

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: [23] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

then how come that verse is different from this?
Psalm 75:7
But God is the Judge;
He puts down one and exalts another


James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?

Isaiah 3:13
The Lord arises to contend,
And stands to judge the people.



2 Peter 2:4

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;


So how can Jesus said the father judge not,with all these verse?

peteregwu:
John 12:48 KJV

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

he who reject him among the isrealite he was sent to during his time is doom.

peteregwu:
Matthew 25:31-33 KJV

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

The same Matthew said this

Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel


This verse tell us he and his disciples would be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
So which one are we going to believe?

sagenaija:
It is typical of you Moslems to shift from one end to the other. You now want where Mohamed used his hands to kill.

give me the evidence Mr man.

sagenaija:
When that is provided you will then query the authenticity of even the Islamic source used.

not all Islamic source are authentic even most are forged.

sagenaija:
You have decided against all FACTS to believe what you want about Mohamed.

and what is that?

sagenaija:
Have you heard of accessory to a murder? Even though such a one did not directly commit the murder does the fact that he did not absolve such a one of guilt? If you ask someone to murder another person and it is found that you did, will you be guilt less in the eyes of the law? If so then you must be from Mars.

those who are murders are enemies and prosecutors of Islam during that time.

sagenaija:
Are you now saying that even though Mohamed asked others to murder on his behalf that he is not to be blamed for their actions? Sometimes one wonders how your brains work.

blame for killing those that wage war against Islam first?

sagenaija:
Mohamed had many people murdered either by his direct command or in agreeing to those who requested to murder on his behalf. We see those killed while they slept. There were no interrogations, no trials, and no judgments

you want trail for enemies.

did your Bible God gave trail to amalkites when he ordered saul to distroy them?

sagenaija:
. Men and women, young and old, all were killed.

u lie the prophet is against that in term of war unlike Bible God that commanded the killing of amalkites women,children and animals.

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys-1samuel 15:3

Numbers 31:16-18

16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

sagenaija:
To blind your eyes to these would mean that you are as hard hearted as can be.

hmmmmm

sagenaija:
See if you can notice something in the following:

Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume, tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), p. 464].: “Then they surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina . . . Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still a market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.”

they can't be trusted,they signed treaty with the muslims and broke it and help the pagans to fight against Muslims.

so pathetic.

sagenaija:
In case you missed it: who was that incident attributed to?

the jews of Medina

sagenaija:
The Koran advocates killing:

just like bible but on condition


Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors-Quran2:190.

sagenaija:
"When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5

yes who the pagans of mecca that first wage war against Muslims.


The reason is that
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned [i.e., praised]. And Allah will surely support those who support Him [i.e., His cause]. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.--Quran 22:40

And don't act like bible didn't say it too and pathetic is that whether those idolators attack your God people first or not,they must be distroy.

Deuteronomy 17:2-7
“If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel,read more.
then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.

Exodus 22:20

“He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the Lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

sagenaija:
The Hadiths follow the same path:

Bukhari, volume 9, #17



"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

the third one is for those that converted to Islam during the war with the pagans of mecca people like Abdullahi ibn ubay,they converted to islam fasely to spy on muslims military tactics,
those how do u expect people like that to be spared?


Allah said in ALQURAN

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.-Quran 2:256

Allah also said
And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?-Quran 10:99
He don't his wage war or Help the enemies against Islam.

Prophet Muhammad (S) said “Whoever kills a mu’ahid (a non-Muslim given protection in a Muslim land), he will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” [Bukhari]

Unlike Bible
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed-exodus 22:20

sagenaija:
Bukhari volume 9, #57



Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

even the narration of this hadith has already made it false.

Ali lived with the prophet for all his life and still didn't know the prophet forbad burning,that is pathetic.
Also Also, "Ikrima" the narrator of the story, was one of the leaders of Khawarej who waged the battle of Nahrawan against Imam Ali (a.s). He has fabricated many ahadith and related them to Ibn Abbas.

On changing from Islam,we have already told it apply to those that converted before to spy on muslims military tactics.



But as typical of you guys, you can deny even the Koran portions one uses and claim that it is fake all in a bid to hold on to to a false position.[/quote]any Muslims that deny any ayat in Quran is unbeliever.
We deny Hadith that were forged against prophet Muhammed(Saw)


You have been sold a dummy and you have bought it hook line and sinker.[/quote]heheheehe but u believe all these in your own Bible?

Then the Lord rose up as though waking from sleep, like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor
Psalm 78:65.

crafteck:
Try steam or ds4 depending on the controller

what is steam and ds4?

crafteck:
But u said its not been detected by system normally... Dats y i said get anoda

yes I used one app called antimicro,i m using that anti micro to play GTA SA too