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[quote author=computer0810 post=100688895][/quote]I'm Yoruba and what make your so called modern Ọbas special?

Dapson73:
What has obas from your region done to the current situation or challenges in your side ?

that is one of the reasons Yoruba kings are useless,we don't need them no more.

ire oooooo

computer0810:
U just said yoruba kings, why not leave yoruba and face ur own problem must u always see anything bad once u see yoruba...u have igwe in ur side face that

nigga did I tell I'm Igbo?

bahdpersona:
but the yorubas aren't complaining... what's it with you and the yorubas

cos I'm Yoruba and these obas are just scammer and useless

All these useless Yoruba kings are not doing anything

Juliusmalema:
In your dreams

in your reality my nigga u will just cry and cry and ain't nothing u are going to do about

Juliusmalema:
Doesn't exist.
Moreover Obasanjo is no different from Buhari. His own Nepotism is worse.
He appointed his people as head throughout his tenure...
And now he is calling buhari an ethnic bigot..
Wonders...same action he perpetuated

boy deal with it.
they exist

manikspears:
Can you allow a native print son to wear his beads to a Muslim school?

the question supposed to be
can Christians allow native son to wear his beads to Christian?

manikspears:
Respect has a whole lot to do with boundaries. I have been to ilorin and I know what it is like on Friday around their mosques and markets.

what is it like?

manikspears:
so don't mention religious tolerance except you are from other areas of the South West though because of your exposure.

Christians are so intolerance in South West.

Juliusmalema:
There is nothing like southern Muslims. Yorubas are known Muslims..
Look for another propganda.

nigga STFU.
tell that to South South And south east that are Muslims

Juliusmalema:
There is nothing like southern Muslims. Yorubas are known Muslims..
Look for another propganda.

nigga STFU.
tell that to South South And south east that are Muslims

Osagyefo98:
What rubbish?
What do you mean by Southern Muslims and Christians? What nonsense...They were all Yorubas ..

Are we now Muslims?
Southern Muslims exists and ends in Yorubaland.

u be arindin southern Muslims are in South South and South

manikspears:
You that religious tolerance is missing in your life.

no it is you with intolerance,u get problem with small girls wearing hijab.

Rebuke:
What have yhu to say our Muslim people?

it is welcome development.

y'all Christians get problem with that not us

zimmaking:
Guy you lack reasoning,I swear....Are these your defence? I'm disgusted.Are you a graduate or SS1 student? I gave you Christian names and Jewish names and you are vomiting nonsense

u are dumb.

So bearing Christians name make u Christians?
How many time I'm I going to tell you that most of those u mentioned are non religious?

zimmaking:
.I can give you Hindu and Buddhist names that are scientist,though they are minority.Look into the mirror and see if your head

who asked u for that?

zimmaking:
is alright,I mean it.Our pastors are buying Jets and they are still the ones distributing food for you guys during the pandemic.

disturbing food for the poo which includes the Christians too. Mumu

zimmaking:
Buy your own jet,poverty religion.

well Jesus was poor too.

zimmaking:
They buy Jets and they build Best schools around the world

and Muslims dont build?

zimmaking:
.Go to your own schools(Ile keu/Quranic schools) and stop coping our systems.

what is Christians system of education?

zimmaking:
Follow the instructions of Mohammad the false prophet,drink hantu,drink Camel urine to cure malaria and covid-19 as rightly prescribed by Mohammed when he and his followers are sick.

how old are u again?

zimmaking:
Leave Physics,Chemistry,Biology,Law advance tech.

what a dumb nigga

zimmaking:
Focus your energy on Jihad, beheading,drinking camel urine,sex with 6 years old.Your prophet is an animal,how will you penetrate a 6 years old little girl with a huge d!ck?

wow this is a tolerant Christians out there.

zimmaking:
I mentioned world Christian leaders name,you are saying they are not religious,so to be religious means to be shouting "I'm a Christian" or distributing Bible everywhere.

you are mumu.

Only two are Christians among those who u mentioned.

zimmaking:
Dont bring that lame,foolish,moronic excuses here.My question is ARE THEY CHRISTIANS?Yes or no.

Putin,macron are not Christians,sorry boy

zimmaking:
The calender you are even using is our

oponu Gregorian calendar is not the only calendar in the world,before Gregorian calendar people have been using many calenders.
And pathetic thing is that all the months in it are of pagans.

Did Bible mention the month in a year? No
And Al Quran mentioned it.

zimmaking:
how dare you claim your non- existence scientist created wall clock and camera?

Christians created it?

zimmaking:
This is 2021,it means 2,021 years after Jesus died.They used BC (Before Christ) and AD(After Death),which every human are using.

so Christians existed during BC?

zimmaking:
Who uses your calender oh?If you die now(2021) or (2036) or anytime, People will use these calender not your Hijira calender.

dumb boy,the calendar is just for religious purpose.

zimmaking:
How come you created clock?

Al jazari a Mesopotamia muslim.

zimmaking:
He is credited with the invention of the elephant clock. Known by many as the " father of robotics " and modern day engineering.
He also had many invention,that is when your White masters are still learning science.


[quote author=zimmaking post=100565685]Christianity came from Judaism and that is why I mentioned them a lot,we serve the same God called JEHOVAH.

u think everyone is idiot like u?

JEWS don't believe in Jesus
JEWS don't believe in old testament
Jews believe in One God
Jews don't believe in Trinity
JEWS don't believe Jesus sonship or godship.
So how are u the same?

zimmaking:
allah is just a demon so obsessed with sex and orgy.

if Arab Christians or arab Jews catch u with that statement!

They will flog u

zimmaking:
imagine d dumbass promising 99 virgins for bokoharam,isis,alqaeda,Fulani heardsmen and all jihadis in the world.

hmmmmm kontinue.
Pathetic thing is that all those u mentioned read bible to justify their atrocities on humanity.

zimmaking:
allah also fuvks his angels(demons),that is why he encourages wierld sex.

hmmmm like how your pastors are preaching?

zimmaking:
I know you are on a hot seat now

hot seat for chatting with little boy?

zimmaking:
,but your defence is crumbling down and you are checking Google left and right,which I'm not doing.

is Google don't part of research?
Abi Christians invented Google?

zimmaking:
Islam doesn't preach peace

Jesus clearly said he didn't Peace.

zimmaking:
that is why you hardly convert people except through Jihad,mass orgy and given birth to many children.You don't convert,you buy it.

arindin

My questions u are dodging,i will ask u again

Which is the original Bible?

66 books of Catholic

Or

73 books of Protestant

zimmaking:
.Mark Zuckerberg is an isreali,check your Google and don't be dumb.

and when did I tell he aint?

Is he Christianity or Judaism?
NO he is atheist!

zimmaking:
You always talk from your anus.Albert Eistein was an isreali.

and he was Christian?

zimmaking:
Just tell me one of your scientist with innovation.

maybe u blind when I post the links to u.

zimmaking:
If your Ile keu,or your quranic school is ok,why are you all desperate in snatching our missionary schools.

u mean the one government are paying their school fees?

Christianity and lies
And when did we told you we want to steal missionary schools!

zimmaking:
Deep down you know you people are useless like evening news paper.

are we your pastors using your money buying jets and doing fake miracles?

zimmaking:
I don't expect you to admit it here.A lot of Muslims in Arabic countries are doing your religion to avoid beheading and decapitation.

mumu nigga,keep deceiving yourself.

zimmaking:
Let the Muslim countries imbibe Democracy and freedom of speech 100%,

Senegal,the Gambia,turkey,mali and so on are democratic.
How come are they still majority?
And how democracy and religious relates?

Keep thinking like a stupid nigga

zimmaking:
I'm totally sure those practicing your religion will reduce to less than 50%.Churches are building roads,hospitals,free health care,top notch schools and yet you open your doomed mouth/hand to be typing rubbish. churches are business centers nah,what do u expect?


[quote author=zimmaking post=100551867]You lie,Mohammed lie,Allah lie also.Allah encourages you guys to lie.You are contributing nothing to this world.

u mean Allah of the Bible lied?
That what?

zimmaking:
Even Dubai,Saudi Arabia was built by Christian and western guys.

and are those western religious like y'all dumb African Christians?

Why can't Africans Christians have brain like West?

zimmaking:
They are protecting Saudi Arabia,yet you Muslims are killing them.

and they are Also sponsoring Saudi war on Yemen.

What a pathetic world!




Just imagine God gave you people knowledge like U.S,U.K,Russia,all of us for don die or become Muslims.[/quote]and despite that,they are leaving Christianity in mass and legalising homosexuality and nudity

zimmaking:
The most powerful men in the world are Christians. Biden,Trump, Immanuel Macron,Queen of England,even Putin.

Trump an ex President,a pussy grabber and a known racist.

Biden a Catholic that y'all Protestants say they ain't Christians

Sorry macron is agnostic

Old queen is just a ceremonial head.

And since when did Putin become so religious?

So among your most powerful people,where is xi jiping,king salman,modi and so on ?

U can't mention them cos that ain't Christians.

zimmaking:
This guys are far more able to wipe you guys from the planet Earth or the map with their hydrogen nuclear bombs,but they are not doing it because they are reasonable and are not fanatics like you and buhari.

u want them to starve to death?
Why would a reasonable people just bomb people?
The way Africa Christians think.

And I'm sure I'm talking to less than 20 years old boy.

These people are doing trade with each other and they don't care.
Why would an African care on top on another people headache?

zimmaking:
You kill for your god called Allah,the most cruel idol that is unstable and changes commandments for Mohammed Everytime.

Well Arabic Christians call him Allah too

zimmaking:
He says one thing today and another thing tomorrow.He gives stupid prophecy to his epileptic prophet.

u that yours is real,how come u failed to answer my question?

Don't Dodge it

Which one is the original Bible?

66 books of Catholic
Or
73 books of Protestant?

zimmaking:
Islam is a Big curse to humanity,blood shedding monsters.

if Christianity is not Curse to humanity,i wonder why those who gave u are leaving it.

zimmaking:
When oyinbo came to Africa,they came with Western education and Religion,

what an ignorant Nigga.
Education has been introduced to by Islam since like 1200 years ago.
Example is university of Timbuktu,where people are learning medicine,science,literature and so on,so what u talking about?

zimmaking:
which is Christianity and it goes hand in hand.

how are they going hand to hand?

Is math or literature part of Christianity?

zimmaking:
Christianity don't force people like you do in islam.

then how come Columbus,pope innocent III,crusaders,vikings and so on did what u said u aint doing?

Uncle Columbus even massacred native Americans in the name of Christianity!

zimmaking:
You kill those that decided to abandon your religion.

what a lie !

zimmaking:
As of early 2000, Christianity in U.S was 95% and recently it's 70% in U.S

ain't u supposed to be worry about the that.

The people that gave u your religion are not doing it again.
Shame.

zimmaking:
because some people abandoned religion and nobody kill them like your false religion will do

keep deceiving yourself!

zimmaking:
99% of inventors are Christian and Jews.

where is your evidence!

zimmaking:
Facebook,Google,Fiverr and many advance technologies were invented by Jews.

so Judaism is not christianity?
Please plus mark zuckerberg is atheist.

Larry page founder of Google is non religious
Sergey Brin a co founder of Google is non religious

Including fivvrr founders,all those are just Jews by ethnic not Judaism by religion

zimmaking:
You should be ashamed of your religion,of yourself,of your destination after this life..

Nah nigga be ashamed of your confused religion.
Which is the original Bible

66 books of Catholic
Or
73 books of Protestant?

zimmaking:
Your prophet that cannot vouch for you where he will go after this life,na that kind of a man you will trust with your never dying soul?.

evidence that he doesn't know where he is going?

zimmaking:
Just imagine if your religion is 100% false,what will be your lot on the other side of this world.

yours this is not false,how come y'all confused?

That lingard has become something else

zimmaking:
I decided not to reply the foolish man.They are full of lies,even their bloody, pedophile sh!t prophet.I told him what has Islam brought to humanity,he was blabbing and saying nothing.Christianity brought life,internet, electricity,planes,trains,cars, submarines.Western
education, medicine is top notch.Islam brought nothing than woes, pedophile,wars ,jihad, illetracy.Imagine their dumb prophet recommending camel urine as malaria drug for his followers.

will u keep shut.

Most of those invention were made by non Christians.

U stupid African Christians,what have u invent?



Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/index.html



10 Biggest Muslim Inventions


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Jq9VIjLJY

sagenaija:
Typical Moslem escapist route.
Why not simply provide the link to where you answered or copy and repaste it here.
You know that you have no answer.

since u have been posting your question,did u see me run?

u answer my question if truly believe in what u hold!

this is the link to history of Quran

this is the history of ALQURAN

https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2017/06/02/history-of-the-compilation-of-quran



now u answer my question I've been asking u since last week.

u failed to answer this this last time,that means u can't defend what u hold.

and stop fuckin mentioning my name no more if u dont answer This

New International Version

Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse
King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering u since we started this but u don't want to answer my ownis either u explain this misery or u shut up.





New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse


King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1




This version even omitted the age



JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.




What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:
When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering since we started this but u don't want to answer,is either u explain this misery or u shut up.





New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse


King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1




This version even omitted the age



JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.




What happened there Mr man?

Cc segenaija

U keep dodging This,why is it problem for u to expand This misery?

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

peteregwu:
Nigga,

You still dey talk.

Your quran is full of lies

and y'all haven't prove it.


Your Bible that isn't lie

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

Which one is true?

peteregwu:
just like she lied that Jesus is not the Son of God.

explain how God give birth to Jesus.

peteregwu:
She also lied that jesus never died on the cross.

why would Jesus die on Cross?

Why y'all niggas want barbaric death for Jesus by fire by force?

peteregwu:
She also lied that it was ismael that Abraham wanted to sacrifice to God instead of isaac. Etc

so how is that affect your faith!

peteregwu:
Everywhere is lies in your religion and that is till today, its a religion in crises.

heheheehe

Hi

peteregwu:
I have told you before but you still doubted it.

niggaaaa!

U ain't explaining shit nigga

If to say prophet Muhammed say this,yall niggas would have gone wild.


I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"


Who are those enemies and the kill statement there?

sagenaija:
You're gradually beginning to agree. You'll get there. So, 'writing style for example... and so on' constitute differences between the two.

bro stop disgracing yourself bro!

How is writing style change meaning of something?

sagenaija:
Reviewing one of the examples:
Sura 2:125 in Hafs and the Warsh.

Hafs says : وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take)
BUT in Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).

now tell me the difference between the Arabic u posted?

I'm telling u stop disgracing yourself.

Sebi Arabic Quran are different?



Show me the difference!

sagenaija:
Now, we are tired of this claim by you guys of 'you don't understand Arabic' bla, bla, bla. Arabic is a human language. Or is it not?

yeah
U want to know Quran is different but u don't have knowledge of Arabic.
Can u argue on Greek without understanding Greek?

sagenaija:
If Arabic cannot be understood or easily translated into English then something is wrong; don't you think? So, spare us that argument.

is Arabic not translate?

Oh u want to translated English to argue on Arabic?

What a pathetic shiit?

sagenaija:
I've chosen to disregard your misunderstanding of some of the things I stated. I know that COMPREHENSION is a major issue for many of you guys. I also assure you that I've watched all the videos I refer people to. It will be disingenuous of me not to.

u see that your pastor fadi u relied on is nothing but joke.

sagenaija:
I'm afraid you have still not provided EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

maybe u blind cos I don't know how many time I'm going to answer u.

Holardimeji94:
Keyboard and mouse sef is the easiest to play game like Gta.. ps 2 games sef na keyboard I Dey use buh fear say make e no go spoil I stop am.. bro use keyboard and mouse you’ll enjoy your game

bro how do u kill enemies without using mouse to lock on target on GTA v pc ?

I mean I use mouse to direct the shooting cursor before I can kill enemies.

and before I do that,they already shoot my character.


how can I stop using mouse to control shooting cursor?

sagenaija:
The internet has made things easier. What was previously difficult to get is now readily accessible. So, when you keep saying 'no evidence for this' or 'show me ...' I wonder if you are really sincere.

and the funny things is that u never watch those videos ,u just copy and paste it.

sagenaija:
Can you in all honesty say that the Hafs version of the Koran and the Warsh version are the same word for word without a single difference?

Except writing style for example.
البريئة and آلبريّة.
تمّ and تمتم
يَحْسَبُ and. يَحْسِبُ
أن لا and ألا



And so on but u,u don't understand Arabic and your Al fadi is deceiver,so how u supposed to know the difference?
Writing style is what Al fadi is calling different for u.
What a shame.
And NB bro,Al Quran copies is more than hafs and warsh.

sagenaija:
On Mohamed forgetting a portion of the Koran: first

your evidence of prophet Muhammed forgetting portion of al quran in that Hadith?

sagenaija:
because it was narrated by Aisha you want to query it.

read the Hadith yourself Mr man.

sagenaija:
Then, you claim whether it matters. Are you saying that you can't see the implication that if a portion of the Koran has been forgotten WHEN IT WAS NOT IN THE WRITTEN FORM as a single volume then the Koran you have today is not all that Mohamed received from Allah?

why are u showing your ignorance here?

Do u used to forgot a written text u are looking at in your own house?
Did u remember all the math theory u memorised in secondary school?

When I waa young I memorised many verses of ALQURAN but now I've forget some of it.

So how that make all printed Quran different?

sagenaija:
You said 'Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior'. If so why did Allah talk about forgiving Mohamed's sins?

Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a human like us,he sins and he will ask for forgiveness.
And how is piety and good behavior stop sins?

Even despite Jesus also been good man,he also sinned.

He stole maize in people farm in Sabbath day -matthew 12:1

He called his mother "WOMAN" -John 19:26-27

He called people people " fool "after he already warned against calling people fool.-Matthew 23:17

And so on

Finally bible Said

What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?
Job15:14

Your own Paul said Jesus has took away all your sins.

Then how come Jesus taught u lord prayers where he made mentioned of FORGIVE US OUR SINS-Luke 11:2-4

sagenaija:
If you really believe yourself when you stated that 'Uthman copy is what we are using today'

cos he was the caliph that made the last copy among the 4 rightly guided caliph.
www.dailysabah.com › feature
Web results
History of the compilation of Quran | Daily Sabah

then all I can say is that you still have a lot of things to clear up.[/quote]bro u think it is Bible?

sagenaija:
Can you sincerely show us the EVIDENCE for this your claim?

he was the caliph that made the last copy among the 4 rightly guided caliph.
www.dailysabah.com › feature
Web results
History of the compilation of Quran | Daily Sabah


And I already told u many time why he burnt the copies during his time.

sagenaija:
Do that and I will answer all of your questions.

I've been answering since u started.
I don't know why u won't answer my own.
U must answer it ooooooooo

sagenaija:
If you claim that the Koran never named the names THEN you have no reason to make a statement which the Koran never made.

If the Koran never said that Paul "corrupted" Christianity then Moslems have no right to make such claims. You cannot eat your cake and have it. It's either you stick to your Koran's position of silence on the matter or you open up yourselves for queries.

The name of Paul is contained in a book of Islam. You have not denied that. What you have instead done is to claim that ONLY what the Koran clearly states or is attributed to Mohamed will be accepted by you. I HOPE YOU USE THE SAME YARDSTICK FOR EVERY OTHER ISSUE YOU FACE IN ISLAM. A case in point is your daily prayers - do you find the number of times you are to pray in the Koran directly?

When you people have to deny your books just to 'win' a point in a debate, doesn't that show that you lack standards? When it will serve your purpose you can bring up the tafsir but when it will not you run to the Hadiths and the Koran. And when the Hadiths will not support your position you will claim that Koran is the ONLY authority you will rely on. Is your religion then not built on shifting sand? You move where it's convenient. And that makes sense to you?

Even if we agree with you that ibn Kathir referenced someone else, the real question is DID HE SAY THAT THE PERSON WAS WRONG IN WHAT HE SAID? The answer to that question is NO! If he didn't accept the view he would not have stated it.

If Islam presents CONFLICTING positions on issues that should be a source of concern to you guys. But because it helps you to shift grounds you enjoy it.

If there is "difference of opinion among the scholars of tafsir" like you stated, does that not again buttress our point about the INCONSISTENCIES IN ISLAM? Why the varying positions? Why no UNIFIED positions?

You went at length to try to differentiate between 'messenger' or 'sent one'. What you FORGOT is that we started from the Koran. The tafsir explains the Koran. If the Koran says "we sent" who is the 'we' who 'sent'? Is the 'sent' not a messenger of the 'we'? In other words, if Allah said "we sent" so and so then so and so are MESSENGERS of Allah. You either conveniently forgot that or deliberately ignored it. So what the tafsir does thereafter is to explain Allah's position in the Koran. You should be consistent in your line of argument. But I know that all most of what to do is to 'win' a debate. In the process you end up tying up yourselves in knots.

If the Koran says Allah SENT messengers and the Hadith says no messenger was sent between Jesus and Mohamed which would you accept - using your own line of reasoning here?

You never take time to see how your arguement lines up before you shout 'I refuted him!' As if merely stating issues or quoting portions from here and there amounts to refutation.

Is there ONCE Mohamed said anything against Paul?
This is what this thread is about.
If Mohamed, who is supposed to be the example to be followed, NEVER ONCE attacked Paul then Moslems should STOP attacking Paul.

what a joke.



question.

is it Ibn Kathir that actually mentioned Paul as the third or not?




and another question u keep dodging



New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

and where is original Bible?
. What you FORGOT is that we started from the Koran. The tafsir explains the Koran. If the Koran says sent

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Cc sagenaija

Hmmmm continue

the fact that Quran never the names and the hadith never mentioned of those men's names,why is it only ibn Kathir commentary u believe and not other commentary?


[b]Does Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir of the Quran say that this verse refers to Paul of Tarsus and thus Paul (Bulus) is one of the Messengers of God according to Islam.

No?
not ibn Kathir says it.

Let’s see whether Ibn Kathir makes such a claim.

Ibn Kathir writes:

“The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus, and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).”

But the question is this Ibn Kathir’s view?

No. This saying is attributed to: Shu`ayb Al-Jaba’i

Ibn Kathir is quoting Shu`ayb Al-Jaba’i. Ibn Kathir has also quoted interpretations of different people as well. He says that according to Ibn Ishaq the names of these three are:

(i) Sadiq
(ii) Saduq
(iii) Shalum

Note: No Bulus (i.e. Paul) mentioned here.

Later on Ibn Kathir in his tafsir refutes this and says that according to the proceeding Quranic verses the people were destroyed. Historically there is no evidence that the city of Antioch faced such destruction and thus this cannot even be about the city of Antioch.

Analyzing Some Tafsirs

Now let’s check Qurtubi whom these missionaries have labeled to be “The Number 1 Muslim Imam”.

Qurtubi:

“Tabari mentions: Sadiq Saduq Shalum

Someone else: Shamoun Yuhanna

Al Naqash said: Saman and Yahya – Did not mention Sadiq and Saduq.

According to Qurtubi Jesus sent the first two as messengers to the king of Antioch. To him they said “We are disciples of Jesus”. The king jailed them and whipped them. This news reached Jesus and he sent a third messenger ‘Shamoun Al-Safa’.”

Note: Qurtubi does not mention any Paul (Bulus) either.

We will now check another tafsir

Tafsir Ibn Abbas:

(When We sent unto them twain) two apostles: Simon the Canaanite and Thomas, (and they denied them both, so We reinforced them with a third) We strengthened them with Simon Peter who confirmed the message conveyed by the other two apostles, (and they said; Lo! we have been sent unto you.

Note: No Paul mentioned over there either.

What we have done here is basically refuted the idea that the Tafsirs unanimously agree that one of the three people sent as messengers was Paul. There is a difference of opinion among the scholars of tafsir which is evidence that neither the Quran mentions the name of Paul as one of the messengers nor did Prophet Muhammad (saw) ever mention his name with regards to this verse.

Does The Verse Really Talk About Messengers (Rasul)?

Now we will go on to refute the idea that the verse is talking of a Rasul of Allah.

The Arabic text of the Quran clearly shows the word used for these three to be “mursaloon”. Mursaloon which is the plural of mursal means “sent one”. This word has been highlighted in the concerned verse above.

Rasul (pl. rusul) in Islam has a specific definition.

Generally the word means:ambassador, messenger, envoy, emissary, forerunner, apostle, and courier.

Mursal (pl. mursaloon) means: sent one

This word, in the Quran can or can not refer to a prophet of Allah. For example in the Quran we see the following verse:

وَإِنِّي مُرْسِلَةٌ إِلَيْهِم بِهَدِيَّةٍ فَنَاظِرَةٌ بِمَ يَرْجِعُ الْمُرْسَلُونَ

But indeed, I will send to them a gift and see with what [reply] the messengers will return. – [Quran 27:35]

The same word “mursaloon” has been used. So does this mean that the messengers that Bilqis sent were RUSUL?

Another verse of the Quran:

فَلَمَّا جَاء آلَ لُوطٍالْمُرْسَلُونَ
At length when the messengers arrived among the adherents of Lut – [Quran 15:61]

Again the same word “mursaloon” is used. Does this mean that the angels which came to Lut were RUSUL?

Of course the answer to both the questions is “No”. None of them was a rasul but they were only ‘sent ones’. This word “mursaloon” simply means a messenger and not necessarily RasulAllah





The Last Blow

It has clearly been refuted that according to the Quran or the Tafsir Paul was a Rasul of Allah (swt). For the final blow to the deception which the Christian missionaries try to create let us take a look at a hadith of Prophet Muhammad (saw).

There is a clear hadith from the mouth of Prophet Muhammad (saw):

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Apostle saying, “I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus).” – [Sahih Bukhari Vol.4, Book 55, #651] This hadith has also been recorded in Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

Conclusion

The whole idea of Paul being a rasul of God has been defeated in this article.

1) The verse 36:14 does not talk about a rasul (messenger)but only about mursaloon(sent ones)

2) Whether the verse in question refers to Paul or not is a matter of interpretation and clearly there are many scholars who don’t even mention Paul’s name in their tafsir of this verse.

3) Ibn Kathir himself refutes the claim of the city being Antioch.

4) According to Sahih Hadith it is clear that between Jesus (as) and Prophet Muhammad (saw) there has been no prophet and hence Paul could have never been a prophet.

5) Even if, for argument’s sake, we would say that according to Ibn Kathir Paul is a Rasul of God, no tafsir can supercede the authentic hadith. This would be Ibn Kathir’s interpretation and Ibn Kathir was a man and not a rasul of God hence his word can never be taken over the word of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)



The pathetic is that Jesus used to mention his 12 displines and Paul is never in no way among the mentioned.

SpecialAdviser:
Christians are not free. But Christians do not exhibit the level of hypocrisy the Muslims do.

like how?

SpecialAdviser:
The north and scam are like 5 & 6.

They will be praying their rosary and chanting prayers in the public to deceive the poor masses.

If have been to the north, you will fully understand that hypocrisy has gone digital. Everything is done on deception.

Their Sharia law is only applicable to the poor.

will u keep quiet?

are u saying Christians free from scamming?