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elampiro:
How come he was magnificent against Arsenal while he attacked. The match that prompted Terry Venalbles to tag him one of the best in the left wing. Some said at the time only Messi could give a better performance from the wing.

which arsënal?
when was he magnificent against arsenal when he attacked?

elampiro:
He played many matches on the left wing. I am not talking of 5 or 6 matches. Many. He was played often since 2005. Barca and Madrid arent even the ones I am considering.

Let me tell you, in the course of many arguments here, I have submitted many evidences over the years. Just that it is impossible to gather all. And this is a week day.

So all the articles I have presented and some specific matches I have mentioned are lies?

they are lies because even zonal marking(where you copied the images) said that rooney operated in a 4-4-2 against chelsea in the UCL final.

they also mentioned the fluidity in some of the games rooney played as a wideman. don't just copy images without copying the explanation. the roma game image showed ronaldo with 2 diagonal lines which means he was also drifting wide when rooney or tevez occupies his starting position.

don't suspect me.
i wanted teddy to lose.....she has now developed mosquito wings. anyways, i am brawling her next - it's time to put teddy down where she belongs.

parrotibaba:
do u even know what u r saying ? dat he played 2 or 3 times on d wings is not d same thing as playing many matches on d wings ,so cos park played in defense a few times makes him a defender? Like I n coogar said ,he was deployed on d wings against great opponents ,not to create an avenue for attacks but to nullify d opponents' attacks ,d cases of r.Madrid n barca comes to mind ...

And please mention d matches he was deployed as a winger in '11

rooney was a water-carrier in those days.
he was used to nullify ally cissokho against porto. he was a defensive wideman - not because he was creative there. ronaldo stopped tracking back and we drew 2-2 at OT. each time ronaldo lost the ball, porto scored.

ELYMAXiimus:
delivery is a word which has a meaning. Nd you can't just say there's no delivery in text but in audio only.
Then how come we judge flow in text?

that's why people use // to emphasise where they pause. that's the flow. if it's consistent then it's excellent.

Delivery is how something is delivered.
If i write a verse with rhymes that are'nt connecting, that is bad delivery! I rhymed, i just didnt rhyme well!
Don't try to limit it to audio only.

you can deliver very well without connecting rhymes. what has rhyming gotta do with delivery. da grin couldn't rhyme for shyte but his delivery was super-dopē.

Do you know that book writers also consider their delivery before publishing?
Are they going vocals with it?

authors consider delivery?
you must be talking about audio books.....not book as in book. there's no delivery in text battling. cadence can't be graded in text so delivery is null & void.

elampiro:
* Rooney still played in the wing in 2012/13. Two years ago. He was 27.
Playing in the wing does not always require speed. Mata once played there. In the absence of a world class midfielder, adjustments can be made.

* No he has also played in the wing to start attack or on a free formation.
............................
Wayne Rooney has just been explaining why he so enjoys being away with England. It is the chance to perform the role to which he considers himself best suited, playing in the middle and escaping the left wing he too often occupies for Manchester United.
There, he says, he can exert more influence; score more goals. ‘I’ve always said that’s my best position,’ he declares, hoping his words will register with a certain Scot on the other side of Europe. -Dialy Mail.


OFTEN

mata can pass & retain possession.....rooney cannot. apples & oranges yet again. all the images you are uploading have no relevance to the assertion that rooney was effective on the wing attacking wise.

in 07/08 & 08/09 he was used to stop attacks against roma & barcelona. against chelsea(final) it was back to 4-4-2. even in some of the games where we played 4-3-3, it was a fluid front 3. they all had free roles - rooney, tevez & ronaldo combined well to do what's required.

elampiro:
Rooney got the job done here from a left wing position. Was he asked to perform a special duty?

yes, it was a difficult away game in europe. rooney was asked to play on the flank to neutralise roma attack. ronaldo wouldn't track back & he was costing united - fergie then placed 2 bunnies on the flank.

in that game, rooney was only 22. he's now pushing 30.....why would you trust him to play as a winger right now when he's lost his ability to beat his marker consistently? rooney only played on the wing to stop attacks, not to start attacks.

ELYMAXiimus:
lmfao . Biko where did you get that definition from?

i think delivery is how well you present something. In this case, rapbattle lyrics is what we're presenting.

there's no delivery in the text format.....
delivery is the cadence & how the bars were spat. i'll kill you can have 1 billion different deliveries to it when pronounced but when written, it's the same.

Nd what makes it well? As in suiting to the eyes?

what makes it pleasing to the eye is a different thing entirely. look at most of the facebook brawls we read here.....most of them were abbreviated & looked horrible but it doesn't take anything away from the bars if you can decipher the abbreviation.

N0 1 is the rhymes.... N0 2 is the pattern of flow ..... N0 3 is the set ups. As this will help the readers understand what the writer's saying. Nd lastly the structure of the verse. There was a time some of us dropped lyrics without spacing the lines at all. Verses like that have a terrible structure!

you have answered your own question. structure & delivery are 2 different things. delivery is not a criterion in text battling. delivery is cadence & flow.

All these are called delivery
for audio, you have : rhymes, flow nd pace.

no they are not....
delivery is öral, not written.

teddybiyasi:
type another name

you are next on my hit list.

Darkrebel666:
I swear, I know how to do this ...
I just blame myself for trying this out.. I should have sticked to regular pattern and 3 line set up and I would have won easily ..
.. its really paining me

don't beat yourself over it.
teddy used a ghostwriter reliable sources claim teddy paid kr0ne & pein N3,500 for those bars.

Emaprince: coogar is right in everything he said though..but I gave you that closer cos I understood where you were going at and it was the only punch in your verse which connected well with the build up...majority of your build ups didn't connect well with the build ups but teddy had some clean build ups to every punches.you know a good build up can make a light punch seem devastating.and build ups well put will explain the punch before it lands..e.g one of my old lines..

you nailed it bro.....
when the build-ups have connection, it can make a light punch seem like haymakers. this is what darkrebel should work on. how to build a story around the punchline.

ELYMAXiimus:
I think these crits we use here should be under delivery because they are what makes a verse suitable for readers...
I'm talking bout rhymes n flow.
Then the set-ups nd the verses total structure(good composure/packaging) should also be considered by any voter awarding the DELIVERY criterion to any of the battlers.

So text DELIVERY = rhymes, flow, set-ups nd the verse's total composure. Easy.

delivery is the cadence and the speed at which the words flow out of the mouth. since this is text, we dunno how fast darkrebel would spit or the energy he would put behind the bars or which words he would emphasise - that's where delivery comes in. it's almost like passion. think 2pac & the anger he heaves behind his bars.....he didn't have the best flow but he became an instant god of rap based on delivery alone.

the way he pronounces penitertiary alone would make you believe he was born in prison.

elampiro:
What about the league games he has played there?

I also had previously published his matches for us in the wing in 2005, but I can't lay my hands on the material now.

which league games?
against which quality? hernandez has been drafted wide too in some games, does that make him a winger. berbatov once played in the defence, then he's a good defender?

please, let's not argue over what isn't - rooney isn't a winger. his pace back in the days helped him to do a decent job there - he cannot cope there now that he's lost some yards of pace. i'd rather have bebe on the flank than rooney.

ELYMAXiimus:
of cos! But why 5points? If punchline is 5points, delivery should be?

delivery?
this is no audio battle. delivery has no place in text battling. you cannot hear teddy's voice in text battling, can you?

When faced with Barcelona in the 2008 Champions League semi-finals, for example, Ferguson’s main concern was to stop Lionel Messi, at that time a right-winger for the Catalans. Ferguson’s response was to start Rooney on the left-wing, a position that quickly evolved into an auxiliary left-back as United defended ever deeper to hold onto a 1-0 lead in the tie. The strategy worked and United went on to win the competition at the cost of Rooney’s attacking flair.

this proves my assertion.
rooney only plays on the wing when there's a job to be done on the opponent's winger. he never played on the wing for his attacking flair - he was practically used there as a wingback to snuff attacks.....so why then do you think he can play as a winger now?

Darkrebel666:
Okay, thanks
its just that i don't like the 3 line set up thing.. I get bored reading script of people that do that.. it was cool around 2009-2013 but now I find it boring ..
I won't use this style again ..I would do the setup and punchline connection thing ....

By the way, who are you brawling next?

teddybiyasi

Darkrebel666:
Yeah... I should, my bad ...
Alright... #Noted ...

nice!

and you said something about my set up and rhyme scheme ...
you said I used two different things in a single set up .. I was advised to avoid fillers and do that and decided to experiment it with this brawl..

there's nothing wrong in experimenting but biko, it has to work. if you take great risks and you succeed, you become an instant hero. if you don't succeed with it, then it could make one look very clueless.

is it bad that I use two different rhyme scheme in a single quatrain .? and two different punchlines ?

it weakened the punch - especially when teddy was consistent with her own rhyme scheme. her script would make yours look weaker when you compare. this is why you cannot take such a huge risk anyhow.

ELYMAXiimus:
Exactly!!! What of personals? See the way niggas beg for links to their opponents previous battles, just for personals which may not even be more hitting than the punchlines they shoulda used.

We should use these henceforth

OPENER = 1/2point

DELIVERY = 1 point

PUNCHLINE = 2points (one may use anything one likes to punch.... Pers, w/p, idioms, mets nd so on.)

CLOSER = 1/2point

punchline should be 5 points
it's the concluding part of the joke. the icing on the cake. the climax! what you use to deliver can be personal, wordplay, humour/wit, etc. just let it connect to the set-up and your W is dead certain.

Darkrebel666:
Really ? I am in

Coogar ...? Lagunna? ...

what do you say?

as long as both of una agree to una terms and conditions......you guys can battle 12 times a day.

Darkrebel666:
hmmmm

Coogar ..I know he died in July .but June 12 is more popular.. he won the election but was denied victory ..and since June 12 is more popular, I decided to use it..
you don't know how many times I corrected that bar.. I used July first, them switched again to June ..

anyway .. I accept ...
I think Teddy has won this ..
we would rematch later ...
sigh*

why didn't you use this bar then?
i'd deny teddy this victory like mko abiola". that woulda landed a better punch than the go down on june 12 you attempted.

opener
rebel got off nice with the first bar then switched his rhyme scheme & ruined his own set up - it weakened the effect of his punchline.

teddy stood consistent throughout with a simpler concept and delivered a devastating punch with the "nobody" angle. when you deactivate, you become a nobody. teddy got this criteria for me.

rhymes
darkrebel packed enough multis in his verse. many people might say he overstretched some of them but rhyming is rhyming. teddy also did well in this category but rebel got this in quantity & quality.


similes/metaphor
skull rolled on dice like ludo, the oduduwa bar was dope too. hanging her on a vehicle like the L plate woulda been a dopë line if it had been worded properly, the MKO bar was average, herbert macaulay was good......ojuju bar was wack, the APC bar wasn't direct enough.

teddy came swinging - but he was low in quantity. he only had the quality caveman & miner bar which was better than anything darkrebel spat in his entire script but i would still give this category to the rebel based on quantity.

punchlines
teddy got this decisively - no debating.
her punches were dopė all through. they were not predictable at all. i got myself giving her 10/10 in virtually all the haymakers she landed.

darkrebel had a minor flaw in that his set-ups didn't really connect with the final punch. he was telling 2 different stories in each quatrain and that weakened his final punch. teddy was cuter in her verbiage & her bars were far wittier and deadlier.


personals
teddy won this ish decisively too. rebel didn't even pay any attention to this bit. rebel should have done some research - if you are going to ignore personals then you should have come with the A-game in all other categories. teddy had the advantage of knowing few things about rebel & she used it to a maximum effect.

flow
this will go down as a TIE. both cats had their moments in this category. part of me even thinks this category should be scrapped completely. 2 quality battlers would always tie in flow.

wordplay
teddy got this - shoot at this queer bar got me spinning. the "win free" bar was also nice as fùck! rebel failed to match teddy's creativity and quality in this criterion.

closer
darkrebel had a good concept but he worded it wrongly. MKO didn't go down on june 12. actually, he won by a landslide on june 12. he died in the month of july 1998 so this bar was ruined by factual inaccuracy.

teddy didn't really punch well either but she brought the exorcism angle of darkrebel's 666 number. she punned the TB acronym - TB joshua(synagogue) = teddybiyasi and for me, that creativity edged it slightly to her.

MVGT: - teddymiyaki!

elampiro:
* Moyes did not inherit an Everton team which finished 4th-7th, but a relegation batting side. You see the difference.

moyes inherited a team that just finished winning the premier league and he dropped them to the 7th position. how is he not a failure? SAF never finished lower than 3rd since the start of the premier league in 93.

moyes is a ruminant animal.
he had plenty of lethargic seasons too at everton. didn't he finish 11th in 05/06? didn't he finish 8th in 09/10? what's the brilliance in moyes that never won a single title in everton? what's the comparison to a serial winner like klopp?

* klopp: You said these things happen. Lol. Same way Moyes was the victim of circumstance at Man United. It could have still happen to SAF. According to the analysis I met on the thread, Klopp was suppose to be better than SAF. So if it happened to Klopp, it could have happened to SAF. Moyes fall enter aged team.

it happened to klopp cos dortmund became a selling team. selling their best players to their direct rivals. they lost gotze, lewandowski, etc to bayern. they didn't even invest the money to buy competent replacement. it was always going to happen that they would suffer. blame the management, don't blame klopp.

if they had kept all their players, they wouldn't be where they are today.

* Till Rooney plays in the wing before you say. In 2012/13 he won a MOTM playing n the right wing in a certain match. He scored two goals.

rooney isn't a winger.
he's slow, lethargic, cannot dribble, etc. the reason SAF played him there in some tough european games is because of his energy to track back, not because of his attacking qualities. when he played there against barcelona & chelsea(UCL 2008), he was anonymous throughout.

* You want to compare Ronaldo and Bale sale to that of Zaha? Ronaldo asked to go, Zaha is a reject. You think Zaha is a happy man now?

sale is sale!
the fact that a player was sold has nothing to do with his quality. any player can be sold. madrid sold robben off like suya. does it mean robben was wack?

elampiro:
* Where is Martinez now? Does he want to take Everton to relegation? A team Moyes built so well?

martinez is doing very well. he's going through the second season syndrome. it happens. martinez is currently 12th on the table. hardly a crisis!

moyes finished 17th in his first full season at everton. yes, he built the club so well. a manager that spent 12 seasons in a club and failed to win at anfield, emirates, old trafford & stamford bridge is a disgrace.

moyes is a failure.

* On Dortmund. I mean, a team that were serious title contenders last seasons, has been turned to a relegation battling team by Moyes. If only Klopp were around, Dortmund would be 3 points behind B.Munich at the worst.

these things happen......
klopp won the league at dortmund twice, played in the final of elite europe. moyes won nothing in 12 seasons @ everton. martinez won FA cup for wigan.

a loser is a loser.

Rooney has played in the wing almost as same time he has played in the middle in his Man United career. And even England. Last match he did well everytime he went to the wing, and he even gave a cross from an almost impossible angle/situation.

rooney at 22 is different from rooney at 29. why not resign beckham then, if it's about past glory? rooney that cannot outpace mascherano is who you want to put on the wing?

* Zaha is better than Val, yet he was sold? Why always unused players seen as better?

ronaldo was sold, rooney & berbatov must be better than him. bale was sold, lennon must be better than him. pique was sold, o'shea must be better than him.

strawman argument!

elampiro:
Man Utd 2-0 Wigan

Man Utd
01 De Gea
02 Rafael (Smalling 16)
03 Evra
04 Jones
15 Vidic
11 Giggs (Anderson 67)
16 Carrick
23 Cleverley yellow card
19 Welbeck (Januzaj 83)
20 Van Persie (Januzaj 84)
29 Zaha (Valencia 61)

Substitutes
13 Lindegaard,
06 Evans,
12 Smalling,
08 Anderson,
25 Valencia,
26 Kagawa,
44 Januzaj


* This was the match it was immediately evident that Valencia was miles ahead of Zaha. Zahba was our worst player. When Val came on the difference was immediately seen.

We can see that Moyes wanted to help Zaha but Zaha ws not ready.

how was it evident in the line up you wrote that valencia was better than zaha? united scored all their goals while zaha was on the pitch. valencia made no difference to the scoreline. are we back to pulling conjectures from the air to sway arguments in 2015?

elampiro:
na today Madrid the beat teams mercilessly without Ronaldo? Abeg Moyes is doing well. Martinez is the goat.

martinez faced moyes twice last season with an inferior team & he took 6 points off moyes. moyes is the fool here.

* let me divert. Who is the Moyes in Dortmund?

what has moyes gotta do with dortmund? you mean moyes is better than klopp?

young - hardly fit -------- at least he was fit for a while, and played with Di Maria.
nani - loan----------------- can be recalled.
mata - number 10------- played many times in the wing for Chelsea.
rooney - number 10----- Can play from the wing.
Januzaj------- doing better than when CR7 just arrived from Portugal. Far better than Zaha.

rooney can't play from the wings, he's too slow and he cannot dribble.

ronaldo at 18 is better than adnan @ 19.

Zaha = Pius Ikedia. Lots of dribbling but can't see team mate taking position.

he's better than valencia.

Odunharry:
upcoming fixtures
Tuesday 3rd Feb vs Cambridge(H)
sunday 8th feb vs Westham(A)
wedn 11th feb vs Burnley(H)
sat 21st feb vs Swansea(A)
sat 28th feb vs Sunderland(H)

they are all winnable, we are not playing in europe. if we play at the same tempo we played yesterday, all these teams are lunch.

elampiro:
Who is Zaha? A championship player. When Owen Bhagreaves played some games for reserve. Tosic, an already established national team player was virtually relegated to the reserves by SAF.

hargo played in the reserves to gain fitness. zaha wasn't injured or serving any punishment. apples & oranges!

Occassions warrants playing for the reserves and it enables the coach to see clearer.

moyes was just a stüpid man.
he mismanaged zaha - nothing to do with seeing anything clearer. with the shower of shyte valencia served last season, could zaha have performed any much worse?

ask4bk:
Add me buikem2

you are still in division 10.
you won 2 games & lost 1. your average possession is 44% & passing is 68%.

elampiro:
Na you write this one?

Madrid will beat Man United by same Margin or even more. How dem dey call dat club, MK Dons? How many dem beat us? How many teams in Europe can stop Madrid from scoring four?

madrid team without ronaldo?
oh please - united would destroy them from casillas to benzema. moyes got killed......no excuses abeg.

he lost to vallecano & villareal mauled him 4-0 too. i guess these 2 teams will beat united too according to your logic. moyes has failure in his DNA. if he manages bayern, they will miss champions league spot.

elampiro:
How is Val shyte?
Even if Val is shyte, we have Di Maria, Young, Januzaj, Nani, Mata, Rooney, who can all play from the wings. Your excuse can't fly.

young - hardly fit
nani - loan
mata - number 10
rooney - number 10
januzaj - rookie + hit/miss.

we have no out & out wingers. valencia is a möron. his decision making is substandard for a club like ours.

elampiro:
Where do you guys think Zaha will play in Gaal's wing back philosophy? We aren't playing traditional wingers anymore.

we are playing wingbacks cos valencia is mostly shytë. if we had proper wingers, we would be playing 4-3-3. the squad has no balance & LVG wants to shoehorn all his top players in the same team.

elampiro:
My argument is that SAF bought several players who we thought were going to replace the old ones, but they never did. There was so much praises following the 'capture' of tosic, 'a wonder winger'.

SAF bought zaha for £15m. a player who is yet to play in the top division for that amount means SAF rated him & he wouldn't have brought him to OT without playing him in big games. even bebe that was playing in division 3 in portugal got league games under his belt.

zaha never flopped at OT, he wasn't even tested at all & that is my frustration with his situation. tosic was no wonder winger - he's a foreigner who must still prove he can adapt to the rigours of the english league.

zaha wouldn't have needed that - he played in the championship league - a much physically tougher league than the premier league. he ended up being their best player there. why would he fail under SAF? even if he had failed, he woulda been tested. moyes never tested zaha. he just kept him away from football.

Most of these young players get exposed when they play for the reserve after having failed in the first team. Same with Zaha. When you play for U-21 and you not standing out, how do you get into the senior team?

which nonsense reserve team?
why would zaha be motivated to play in the reserves? a player that is a cult hero in crystal palace? it's the likes of adnan & blackett that would appreciate playing for reserves, not zaha.

elampiro:
Don't blame coaches until you have been a coach. Coaches see what we don't see. Sincerely, SAF woudnt play Zaha over Valencia. I am sure of that. Just the way he wouldn't have played Pique over Ferdinand, Vidic and Brown except they were injured. But Pique went on to become a highly rated defender for years at Barca, and started making mockery of SAF for not believing in him.

That's football.

so SAF bought zaha as a decoration or an expensive ornament to just display on the bench?

the examples you keep bringing out does not suit zaha situation. pique wasn't as good as any of our centre backs when he was here.

zaha was better than valencia when we got him. he was going to replace valencia when SAF suddenly retired.

Odunharry:
Want it all back-Chris brown

lol!

elampiro:
Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Ince, Giggs, Beckham, Oshea, Brown. How many of these won player of the year in England before we signed them. But they all hit on arrival.

this is why zaha shoulda been given plenty of chance at united. he was shining in his own little way before we bought him. why did moyes even refuse to start him last season even when most of our wingers were poor in form?

abeg, zaha should never forgive SAF for causing this mess. SAF bought him over and left him stranded for a möronic manager like moyes. what does moyes know about coloured skin young players?