₦airaland Forum

Ibime:
B Magic has always been my no2 behind Bigg K, plus I've always hated Conceited so if I say Conceited took that battle, it takes a lot to say that.

He had at least 3 big haymakers in the first round alone plus many decent wordplays throughout the battle whilst Con didn't land any true haymakers just good steady punches. See as Smack was jumping for that Beyonce line

smack does that for all NY rappers jor.
he keeps it real with NYers - you always seem to ignore the home court advantage that exists in this battle scene. if the battle was at STL, it would be magic getting the bigger crowd reaction.

the bar was fire but then con really never punched to that level of quality throughout whilst magic kept giving ivan drago's deadly punches. the hypochondriac/hypo con react line didn't get the deserved reaction.

that was blazing.....

Lordabas:
I'm only keeping it real. Just because our society's morals are breaking down & most folks have an "anything goes" mentality...doesn't make it right

who cares whether they wear white or black? what should non-virgin males wear on their wedding? green or torqoise?

Ibime:
The Beyonce line alone bodybagged the first round for Conceited.

it was a big haymaker but one line shouldn't win an entire round. so i can spit one huge haymaker & spit fillers for the remainder of a round & éxpect to win?

both of them did great, don't get me wrong - i just don't see how you can call a winner from one view. watch it again & see the delayed crowd reaction in b-magic's bars. they were catching em bars after about 6 secs it was spat.

conceited got the wordplay & personals. his wordplay(slow it downs) were fire.....but this isn't about wordplay/personal. this was a punchline battle & i think magic punched the fück out of conceited.

bwahahahaha

ibime gotta be kidding me...

b-magic

•con dough will get taken, that’s a foreclosure!
•you punching without landing, you shadow-boxing
•this bïtch is getting fücked behind these bars, conjugal visit
•testifying is the only time he's lifting the 5th
•i keep the beef fresh, i brought some alumin for you

b-magic is a problem in battle rap. he punches quality, not necessarily quantity. he's without doubt the punchline king!

Ibime:
I got this 1-0 to Conceited with the 2nd and 3rd round a tie.

Now I know Bigg K is the best puncher in the game cos he 3-0'd B Magic at 'Duel in the desert' and 3-0'd Conceited last night also.

christ....
all those b-magic punches in round 1 & you gave round 1 to conceited?

then again, URL rappers don't take other leagues serious. they just go there to cut their checks & put half-hearted performances.

duel in the desert, the event last night, etc don't count. clips got 3-0'd by charron few days ago. URL stage is really where these boys give their best performance.

until bigg k battles on that stage against clips, charron, b-magic, tay roc or con then you can't just hand him the punchline king. he's not been tested on the real niggaz stage.

Lordabas:
Why is it that non-virgin women feel that they have the right to wear white when they finally decide to get married after years & years & years & years of having premarital sex and shaking up with their boyfriends?

I recently went to a wedding where the bride had been living with her bf for 8yrs & already had 2 kids for him... Yet she still wore a pure white wedding gown
The white gown is supposed to symbolize a brides purity & virginal essence. I feel it destroys the traditional purpose of wearing white when the bride is FAR from being a virgin.

Shouldn't the non-virginal bride wear a black wedding dress or something?

what do you suggest they wear? black gown? if the tradition of purity & virginal essence is enforced, 99% of the brides in nigeria will wear a black wedding gown. most of them popped the cherry before they turned 15.

LooNat11kk:
Smh, you watch the battle at all?

Cass nearly choked about twice,he was spewing garbage, even tried to do a rebuttal but was still booed off

he didn't choke....
that was deliberate - he said "psyche, i lied" after that intentional pause. you must be new to battle rap to think that was a choke. battlers put that drama in to get crowd reaction from fans. i am sure you thought the sneeze was also natural when he said he's allergic to fake rappers.

Asides from the fact that diz knows the way things are done right now better than cass, it does mean shyt, cassidy is a battle rapper so is diz,ya'll do this shyt to earn a living, ya'll expected to bring something hot to the table, (which to me diz did) cuz if it was a battle like diz vs hollow tha don or ayye verb vs arsonal ya'll wouldn't talk like this

the eras are different.
everyone knows that - industry rappers crossing over to the pits to battle is a huge leap for them. most of them battled over a beat, now you have to rap acapella & put in all the elements of battling. diz had the home court advantage & yet he was freestyling cos he forgot his bars.

Cassidy brought this dissappointment to us, what he did lastnight was far from what we call battle rap

cassidy wasn't perfect but he did better than diz in everyone's opinion. diz was just bïtching about like he normally does when his amnesia hits him. against canibus & DNA, diz was relatively quiet cos he had bars for them. anytime you see diz whining over time limit or getting aggressive cos people are talking, it's because he's forgotten what he has to say & then use the events around him to cover up his memory loss.

dang it!
this sucks - i can't stomach people losing their loved ones.

may God console you and give you & the rest of the family the fortitude to bear this irreplaceable loss.

KoloOyinbo:
There was no misinformation. The risk to a female is MUCH higher (any basic resarch will show this). More importantly the consequences of success are neutral for the male but alway life cripling for the female. For Gods sake it is 2014 NOT 1014!

this is another ignorant rejoinder....
this is not a competition of which has the highest risk - it is a matter of deciding if the kids put through this barbaric process are being abused - just because a kick in the tummy hurts more than a slap in the face does not make one better than the other - an assault is an assault & child abuse is child abuse.

you are clueless...
the consequences of success is irrelevant if the practise itself abuses children. corporal punishment also has consequences of success but it's been eradicated in many parts of the developed world cos it can be argued the children are being abused.

how some of y'all managed to make it through primary school, never mind college is worrying. are these really the future leaders of mother of nigeria. i fear for the coming years if this is what you can come up with to defend the barbaric treatment of male children in the name of circumcision.

Emaprince:
I don't know why y'all are criticizing cass..

Dizaster is new school and a regular top tier battler and cass is just a mainstream rapper who used to battle back in the days..and those kinda battles are way different from what we have now.so for him to even take up the gauntlet speaks volume about his confidence..

I don't support generic stuffs but loonaT11KK,do you even expect cass to drop better personals than diz?..cassidy lives his life on the spot light so diz has a whole lotta stuffs to choose from and use against cass but I don't see anything that cass could talk about diz that somebody else hasn't..abeg the guy deserves some respect!

you are a genius!
this is exactly how i feel about it. it's cassidy that had to switch to diz's habitat & go to diz's hometown to battle. the fact that diz got booed in his home soil speaks volumes. he came to that event with wack bars & he was furious he was getting booed.

i expected a whole lot from him.....cassidy even performed beyond my expectation. he never choked, he just kept on going at diz. Diz talked throughout cass' round & when cass returned the favour, diz started moaning about it. dizaster should retire, he has nothing more to offer his fans.

LordReed:
Please stop this nonsense of seeking consent from a baby. Do you seek consent before sticking a needle into a baby's àss for inoculations? Is it not painful and traumatic, don't things go wrong? That's the silliest excuse to ever bring up in discussing what is good for a child, that the child cannot give consent. Of course he/she can't bloody well give consent or else they won't need you to be parents.

i can see you have a problem with logic - what you call the silliest excuse is what the anti-FGM crew use to fight the FGM traditional practise. i was only using your points to destroy you & what you could come up with is sticking a needle in child - what a putrid analogy, how many kids have died because of injections in comparison to MGM?

If you want to compare the specific parts of the male and female sexual organs then the clitoris is akin to the glans not the foreskin.

i am comparing what is being removed from both genders. a part of the clït is removed from the girl & the entire foreskin is removed from the boy. to now turn around & tell me the girl is abused & the boy isn't tells me you skipped logic class in school.

Circumcision for males has never had as its goal control of libido so I don't know what that is doing there.

it does - uncircumcised men enjoy sėx better. grab a book and read it up!

How is it child abuse to make a decision for the well being of a child?

how is it also child abuse to circumcise a girl based on religion & traditional beliefs? is it not for the well-being of the female child?

I specifically asked you to name a disease that only affects circumcised males and the best you could come up with was a situation where the circumcision was poorly done and call me trolling. Your responses are more of emotional outbursts than an attempt to really look at the evidence.

circümcised males are at a risk of infant mortality: that alone destroys any disease or infection you can come up with. if only one male child dies as a result of cïrcumcision then it's enough excuse to completely eradicate the entire practise. who's going to account for the soul of that dead child?

yet you talk about emotional outbursts when you have been feeding me with endless streams of pretentious crap. you are arguing on a public forum in the 21st century that cutting & dicing a male child in the name of circümcision isn't child abuse? you must have a weird fetish for seeing male kids suffer which only tells me you are an unrepentant sadist forward slash son abuser.

dizaster is the biggest arsëhole in battle rap. after lying to us that he got inspired watching the eminem acapella on shadyXV, he came to this event with straight trash with his horrendous structureless freestyling.

cassidy is old school - switching completely to the new era so he can get a pass for his choppy flow cos he's adjusting. diz is a new school battler and you couldn't tell the difference between the two rappers. dizaster has been garbage ever since arcane killed his arsë. I was really rooting for him but he was pure wankëry in this battle.

ibime must be high on pubes to even call a winner in that wankfest......

meanwhile, smack URL crept behind these clowns to release the battle of the century - the punchline title between b-magic & conceited. if you watch this battle & you don't have goosebumps & tears coming out of your eyes with the high level of creativity displayed by both battlers then go back to elementary school.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVdSmt0TrWA

this is the best barfest battle in the entire 21st century. i gave it magic 2-1 but you could argue con 2-1.

what are your thoughts?

bloody hell!!!

12 hour break on this thread & simpletons have completely taken over.....

chic2pimp:
Beats me too.
Don't know of any ailment greater than death or do you?

let's just assume he's under the influence of shekpe

cococandy:
you're an African man. Who better to kick up the protest than you? You're young and full of strength. Do the male folk this honor.

If western hospitals allow parents of boys who don't want their sons circumsized to be,what makes you think they won't support Africans who want to do the same?

And why do we need western support.

the western support is the pillar behind the FGM campaign in africa. i remember the UK pledging £35m last year to fight against FGM. where's the MGM equivalent?

LordReed:
Male and female reproductive organs are not the same so you can't do a one to one mapping and say anything good for the goose is good for the gander. Take for instance menstruation. Males don't experience it so no need for panty liners and stuff but going by the axiom then we must make boys wear panty liners because its good for girls? Females don't have any condition that will be solved by female circumcision, males do.

how are they not the same?
clitorïs - a flesh of nerve endings
foreskin - a flesh of nerve endings

what's the difference in what is being removed? why shouldn't we do one to one mapping of the two sëxes when the major criticisms of FGM hinges on....

•lack of consent
•child abuse
•control of lïbido
•painful experience
•reduction of sexual pleasure.

which of these 5 points is excluded when you circumcise a male baby? did he give you consent that the female baby cannot give? yet you compare the deliberate mutilation of male kids to menstruation.

do women die because they menstruate? what kinda analogy is this for feck's sake? how can you argue that girls are abused during circumcision but boys aren't?

cococandy:
I am aware of the campaign. That doesn't mean it has been entered into law as a criminal offense.(to the best of my knowledge)

How I wish ...

Hey coogar so you don't know there is a campaign against male circumcision? Kai. Your sleeping on top bike o.
Better go put your mouth where your mb is.

is that africa? i see 2 white male caucasoids holding a banner. where's the equivalent of the FGM campaign in africa?

bollocks
See your club people BTW

i want to see the western support of the abolition of male circumcision in africa - if it happens then parity is restored.

chic2pimp:
It does not qualify. Says who? Infant Mortality is more prevalent in circumcised males than it is in uncircumsed male children.

lordreed is just trolling.
plenty of boys have died after their circumcision - what could be worse than the death of a son?

LordReed:
And females don't have complications arising from poorly done circumcisions?

Anyway let's stick with the males for now. Have another go.

you don't seem to get my point probably because you came late. i am not arguing for/against circumcision. my argument is based on what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.

if you think circumcision is wrong for women then same argument should stand for men. if you think circumcision is ok for women then the same should stand for men. don't nitpick & tell me one gender is pain-compliant & the other gender is fragile.

cococandy:
im not aware of the law (in Nigeria at least) that makes female circumcision a criminal offense.I could be wrong
If there is such a law, kudos to the government

so you dunno there's a strong campaign against FGM in africa? my argument is - where's the campaign against MGM?

I've answered this your question severally coogar. Male circumcision is done in the best interest of the boy while female circumcision is done with the warped mentality that it will keep her sexuallly in check.
Even if FGM has no disadvantages whatsoever,that reason is enough to ban the whole practice universally.

but we have told you the practise keeps both genders in check. boys lose penile sensitivity as the removed foreskin contains plenty of nerve endings. uncut men enjoy sėx much more!

LordReed:
When regular hygiene is not maintained, a white cheesy discharge called smegma may accumulate beneath the foreskin. Continued poor hygiene can lead to infections and urinary tract infections.

Is this what you condone?

this is also a risk for uncircumcised females - you didn't get the memo?

cococandy:
like I said before,there is no proof that circumcsion impedes sexuall pleasure.

All these POTENTIAL problems of circumcision in males are slim to almost non existent if compared to the rate of those who have done it successfully.
But like I said before,if that slim chance is enough to make you not want to circumsize your son, feel free to.
If on the other hand you think it is enough to start a movement against circumcision of boys, I will will support you.......from afar

But don't be getting in our way in our campaign against FGM. Whether you mean it or you're just kidding.
You have to know some people take nairaland too seriously.

this is not about any of us here - we are just arguing. the question you have been evading over more than 2 hours ago is still unanswered.

why is male circumcision accepted & female circumcision is a criminal offence? let's leave each other's babies out of it for once & argue constructively.

LordReed:
@coogar crackhaus
Can you name one disease a circumcised man can have that an uncircumcised man cannot have while I will go the opposite route and name a disease an uncircumcised man can have which a circumcised man cannot. Deal?

how about infant mortality that is attached to circümcised male babies? what else could be worse than the death of a child? is this what you condone?

this is another documented case of post-circumcision meningitis in a male infant in nigeria. read the symptoms suffered by this innocent boy...


https://ispub.com/IJPN/5/2/10572

AO, an 11-month-old boy was admitted into the children isolation ward of the Wesley Guild Hospital, Ilesa: an affiliate unit of the Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife, Nigeria, on the 26th of July 2004. He had been feverish 2-days prior admission. He subsequently developed irritability and convulsive movements of the lower limbs, but was feeding well through out this period. He had been circumcised 3 days before the onset of fever.

A nurse colleague of his father had earlier circumcised him at home but he bled moderately during the procedure, and this was controlled with extra dressing and pressure. The past medical history was not contributory. His mother was a 36-year-old civil servant and Father, a 42-year-old orthopaedic nurse.

Physical examination revealed a conscious, acutely ill, pale and febrile infant with an axillary temperature of 38.1°C. He was anicteric and pale, but irritable. The heart rate and respiratory rate were 180 beats and 72 cycles per minute respectively. Besides the presence of moderate hepatosplenomegaly, no other abnormalities were detected. However, the penile glans was still raw and septic. The yet unchanged dressing was still bloodstained.


Septicaemia was diagnosed. His haematocrit was 26 percent. Lumbar puncture revealed turbid Cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) on the basis of which, he was commenced on intravenous fluids, Ampicillin and Gentamicin. The gram staining revealed gram-positive cocci in clusters. Unfortunately, CSF proteins were not estimated. But the CSF microscopy showed 20 white and 2 red blood cells per cubic millimetre. His random blood sugar and CSF glucose were 7.4 and 0.5 millimoles per litre respectively.

Twenty hours later, he convulsed and lapsed into unconsciousness with bulging anterior fontanelle and generalised increase of muscle tone. The convulsions were terminated with intravenous Diazepam. The culture of both the wound swab and CSF yielded Staphylococcus aureus with similar antibiotic sensitivity and resistance. The antibiotic was changed to intravenous Ciprofloxacin, in line with the antibiotics sensitivity pattern obtained. Also, he was given intravenous Dexamethasone and intramuscular Phenobarbitone to forestall further convulsions. The patient made a good recovery and was discharge on the 12th day post admission.

most definitely, the pros surely outweigh the cons.

cococandy:
which facts? That FGM is the same thing as circumcision? and has same consequences?
Nope. I'm signing out because even though I know you've been pulling my legs all along,
it seems like the thread is no longer about babies but becoming an avenue for feminist bashing and anti-equality champions to lament.

That shii is so stale

this is about babies, na
feminist bashing ke? have i bashed feminist even once on this thread?

cococandy:
I never said boys can endure the pain because they are boys.
I said the advantage outweighs the pain . Did you even read the post you're trying to respond to?
Nor do I know how any of that nonsense you typed there is the same thing as I what I said in any of my posts .
I remember specifically saying I don't buy into the school of thought that circumcision reduces sexualL enjoyment (in both girls and boys) because it is not proven.
I only recognize the fact that the people who still have that culture do it out of the PROBABLY ignorant belief that it is true.

Woman take your WATERY understanding elsewhere

i have a problem with this bit of your submission. who told you the advantages outweigh the pains? what could be more advantageous than a guy enjoying sėx the way he should?

these are the potential hazards associated with male circumcision(excluding mortality) ...so tell us how the pros outweigh the cons.


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MrTA:
This type of weekends used to happen a lot under SAF, most of our rivals would drop points and we would take advantage. I really hope LvG can do the same.

i wish we are playing QPR or hull at OT this weekend. arsënal, chelsea & pool dropping points in the same gameweek is a rare occurrence.

cococandy:
have I ever said men and women are the same?

You're confused coogar.
If there is one thing I appreciate about life it is the differences between men and women. I think it is one of the beauties of life.
And I'm pretty sure I've said more than once in this forum.

I only have a problem with people who think that being different means that one group automatically deserve better treatment and more respect based on their gender or deserve to get away with bad behaviors because of their gender.

But then you're just going to drag me into a gender argument back'n'forth and we will never agree in the end.

So at this point,I sign out.

ada owerri, don't sign out biko.
you have kept this thread lively with your radical inputs. don't back out cos the facts are starting to close down on you.

Obamedo:
I thought this was a forum for adults, judging by the posts of certain individuals, they are either taking the piss or playing Devils advocate.
FGM is a serious issue please. Move to the comedy section if you can't have a meaningful debate without antagonising people and jumping on their every post with a one liner and snide remark, it's uncalled for and simply childish and you know yourself.
We need a 'don't like' button on this forum

why don't you find yourself a good broom & a warehouse and sweep till your disc slips?

naijafresh:
I have just realised you're a troublemaker, how does my comment translate into a fetish for abuse of male babies or female babies for that matter?

not responding to any of your comments anymore

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chic2pimp:
Na lie! Just a quick google search and wham bam thank you ma'am I see am. I don catch u tonight chei

i googled the names too.

cococandy:
Laugh well well o.that's my mission here. To make you laugh

Anyway I haven't said these boys don't suffer pain.
The pain is not even the reason why I don't support it for girls . Far from it.


The advantage of circumcision for boys outweighs the pain. Even if it a completely painless procedure,I won't support it for girls.

I can't argue for both of them because they are not the same thing.

so after 120 years of your gender equality campaign, you can boldly admit on a public forum that men & women are not the same?

brb, lemme dance small.....

https://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/1tumblr_lgp6q5NhE21qcjtu8o1_500.gif

naijafresh:
Simple, everyone knows cow dung is filthy and is probably not a good idea but not everyone believes circumcision of males or females wrong

then you must have a fetish for watching male babies abused.

chic2pimp:

Chei coogs what sort of films are you watching? . Don't corrupt innocent souls like yours truly abeg

if you haven't been watching what i watch, why do the names i mentioned strike a cord?

cococandy:
I am not arguing for argument's sake.
Boys don't die from circumcision in Nigeria.
Maybe Nigerian hospitals do it better than US hospitals. Same way we treat malaria better than them.

you make me laugh!
you have covered all the hospitals in nigeria & found out that males don't die from circumcision? how can nigeria treat anything better than the USA especially a practise that is prevalent on both sides?

FGM is termed mutilation because there is no definition of what is done to the girls when it done. At least in boys it is a neat removal of the foreskin.

have you seen it done to male babies? neat removal? do you know the number of nerve endings in the foreskin & you think it's not painful to all those little babies?

this is hilarious!

In girls depending on the 'generosity' of the chief priestess in charge of the 'surgery' , it could be a removal of the clitorisss or part of the clitorisss or the labia-minora or even some of the labia-majora or all of the above.

pain is pain - wound is wound!
loss of blood is experienced from both practises. the victims feel so much pain from it & they didn't give consent to their mothers to have their genitäls tampered with.

i still don't see how you can argue for one & argue against the other one.

Basically there is no procedure or even knowledge of what exactly they are set out to do. All they know is that as long as the hole is present for the man to choke his kini in,every other thing is not so important because it might give the woman some sort of avenue to enjoy intimate unions and that they do not want.

who says there's no procedure?
they know what they are doing....there are different kinds of female circumcision depending on the culture or traditional beliefs. they know what they are removing but mistakes do happen sometimes & that's not restricted to a particular gender. both sexes suffer pain & male circumcision violates the right of a boy to decide how to express his sëxuality.

naijafresh:
Not every practice is dictated by religion, male circumcision is dictated by religion amongst jews so as long as they adhere to their faith they will continue to circumcise their males whereas traditions ie celebrating a particular day or season is not necessarily dictated by religion

female circumcision is prescribed in islam - so it's also a religious practise.

cococandy:
boys do not die from circumcision in Nigeria.
Stop pulling facts outta your desk.
Feminists didn't turn the reasons for FGM into what you hear. That is what it has always been about.

if close to 120 boys die of circumcision in a developed country, you think many more wont be dying in nigeria? do you even have any credible stats of infant mortality in nigeria?

please don't argue for arguments sake - too much loss of blood can cause death in children. feminists turned it from female circumcision to "genitäl mutilation". i wonder why male circumcision isn't considered mutilation.

cococandy:
Uncircumcised men enjoy sex more? Bollocks.

there's sensitivity in the foreskin! the first research on this dates back to the 18th century.

I don't even believe uncircumsized females enjoy sex more. Some women have clitoraal orgasmss while some have G-sspot orgasmss ,so it is a school of thought that is not totally proven behind reasonable doubt.
My argument against FGM is not based on that unproven hypothesis but based on the reasons why it is done.
Remove that reason and you will see that it a totally unnecessary practice.
Say no to demeaning and disrespectful practices.

that reason you are hanging on is also unproven. hygiene issues could be the reason why the practise exists at all. feminazis turned it into trying to control the libïdo of females.

If circumsizing boys was bad,why do some young men go by themselves to get circumsized in their adulthood?

because boys simply follow traditions - the ones who do it in their adulthood have fathers who did it in their adulthood as well. it's a traditional practise.

Anyway
If you believe MGM is disrespectful to men, get in line with us and start your Campaign now

i don't believe it's disrespectful, i believe it's barbaric as highlighted by the feminists. about 120 boys die every year from MGM in the almighty USA(where medical facilities are top drawer). heaven knows what the stats would be in mother africa where state of the art facilities are non-existent.

naijafresh:
Are we saying that circumcision of males should also be stopped? That will be difficult due to the religious background of male circumcision.

difficult? was it not you that told us some traditions should be abandoned for our sanity? why is abolishing the rubbing of cow-dung on umbilical cord very easy to accomplish but eradication of male circumcision would be difficult?

What is the argument for female circumcision?
Is there any religious background to FGM? or is it just indigenous traditional beliefs regarding female chastity? or the I was circumcised so you shall be circumcised attitude?

what we are saying is don't neglect one at the expense of the other. if there's really an equality in genders then what's good for the goose should also suit the gander.

If it is deeply rooted in society how do we tackle this? support and monitor it ie performed in clinics under aseptic conditions rather than with a rusty old bleeding in a dirty room or ban it all together? Educate the public? or just wait for it to die out like some other practices

both practises should either be completely eradicated or stay. dropping one & keeping the other is not fairness. baby boys also feel some pain too & they didn't give consent to the mothers that gave them away to be abused.

I personally feel FGM is more of an issue and we should devise a plan for dealing with the issue.

why ain't i surprised that you would choose a bigger evil in a practise that abuse male & female children?

Constructive arguments and criticisms please, personal attacks are a disease in Nigerian forums, i just ignore them

this is no personal attack....
when people reluctantly apply logic in their comments, personal attacks might ensue. you said up there that FGM is more of a worry to you because....

•you don't think boys suffer untold pain
•you don't think boys bleed out during the ish
•you don't think boys enjoy sėx less after.
•you will rather see a boy cry
• and so on & forth....

crackhaus:
The kind the modern-day feminists refer to as REAL men

oh dear.....