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bench:
Lindegaard, Evans, Fabio, Anderson, Young, Cleverley, Hernandez #MUFC"

nani's suspension just ruined what could have been a super team. can't wait for nani, kagawa, rooney and RVP to team up as the rotating four!

#MUFCXI: De Gea; Smalling, Rio, Vidic, Evra; Carrick, Fellaini, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney; RVP #UCL

StarBoard: Gollum favours a more defensive/conservative approach approach despite the array of weapons on display and will rather not lose a game than risk it all for a win.
Even his team lists haven't exactly been up to par,though there's a little bit of improvement from the dying days of the Fergie era.

he's delivered the same results as fergie if you match this season's fixtures with the last. 2 wins, 1 draw and a loss to liverpool isn't a bad result by any means. we saw how the same swansea almost beat liverpool last night & we dismantled them 4-1.

But they eliminated us when it mattered most, i.e. the Semi-finals in 2002.
Still down to Gollum and the side he puts out, which is where i have my doubts.

2-2, 1-1.
there's nothing between the 2 sides that year. winning on away goal advantage is not beating, it's a boardroom decision. we battered them home & away a season later.

StarBoard: Even if that were true, you still have to give them their respect as a side.
This United side with Gollum at the helm doesn't look convincing at all so far. We struggled to break down a minnow team with 10 men on Saturday.
How are we so sure of being victorious?
Kiessling not better than Jonathan Walters? Gross exaggeration, hombre.
Fella already has 6 goals and 6 games this season, after topping the scorers chart in Germany last season.
I've seen the dude play and he will be a handful for any defender on his day.

gollum isn't the one that would play on the pitch. his only contribution is to name the team and make tactical substitutions. i doubt rooney played differently under SAF or vidic can't head strongly under moyes - they are still very much the same players.

we played leverkusen 4 times....2 wins & 2 draws and that was when we were still a shyte team in europe. if we play our strongest team, leverkusen would concede 4 goals. if we play our semi-strong team, it would be 3-1 or at worst 1-0.

scoring in the bundesliga is different from scoring against a premier league side. dortmund & bayern, i can give credits to them. leverkusen? please.....vidic would dismantle ke$$ling, gulp his flesh/blood and spit out his bones and sammie hyppia's face.

StarBoard: @ Mancs,
Don't be quick to dismiss the Germans.
This same Bayer Leverkusen have been tricky customers in the past.
Kiessling is a star in the making and is a very good player.

he's not better than jonathan walters....
bundesliga is a shyte league...the title is between dortmund & bayern. the gulf in class between the top 2 and the other 16 teams is like heaven & earth.

dademola: yeah, rubbish league where everyone supports bayern: either directly or indirectly!ts like u're still basking in euphoria as per last season's "one-off". Dnt worry. We'd refer to this conversation sooner rada dan later...

leverkusen are a shyte team - our 2nd team would beat them. they have lost to schalke already this season - the same schalke that conceded 6 goals to us and neuer was their goalie back then.

the team is as scary as west ham.

Emmadani: guy 76% against man u?Ramirez dat could not even give out one clear pass

what your eyes saw and what the stats say are 2 different things. numbers don't lie - your eyes might have deceived you!

CFCfan: ^^
CFC had 76% possession against Man Utd?

ramires did.

is ramires that bad?
i really think he's one of chelsea's best players each time i have seen him play. he's combative - i doubt he's ever lost a tackle in his career. he can make penetrative runs, pass and even finish if he gets the time & space.

i would trade rooney for ramires without batting an eyelid. the so called loss of possession nateevs & ibime are talking about must be because they dwell in a parallel universe. 84% possession(everton), 76%(man utd), 94%(villa) and 92%(hull).

it seems nateevs/ibime are high on crack!

dayokanu: Valencia has played as a Right Back several times yet this oaf compares his stats to Young? What else? You wan also compare Young to Hargreaves?

and right backs are exempted from assisting a goal? is baines not a fullback like valencia? is dani alves not a fullback? your intelligence quotient has a negative integer.

No be you and Elampiro wey go dey look stats when everyone can see whats going on the field

as if it's not the same stats that put messi/ronaldo as the top dogs in europe. let's ignore their stats - mandzukic & reus are clearly better than them. oloshious fellow!

When you look those stats finish, come conclude that Walcott/Podolski is a better winger than Hazard because they scores more per game.

if walcott/podolski are scoring more and assisting more goals then hazard is not as good as them. hazard was bought for what he was producing in his previous club not the shyte he's producing currently. football is about productivity. if hazard is not scoring/assisting/creating chances then it's only a matter of time before jose dumps him to the sewers....

Ask any top manager in Europe whom he would rather have in his team between the two.

ashley young is miles better than valencia. you have to be a simpleton to argue that. young has a better cross in him than valencia, young can beat his markers one on one, valencia cannot. young can play anywhere across the line, valencia is one-legged. what's the basis for comparison.

Fact is Barca, Madrid, Bayern and top clubs would rather pay top $$$ and pick Hazard while only clubs like Arsenal Manure Newcastle and second grade clubs can field Wankott Young and Podudski

that was how barca paid too dollar for alexi sanchez, bayern paid top dollar for mandzukic, madrid paid top dollar for benzema/higuain and a £6m striker(chicharito) makes the top dollar strikers look like amateurs.

you are so genetically idiotic, you are rigidly equating money with ability. if this is true, andy caroll & torres should be goal machines in europe.

If I am a coach i would rather have Giggs of today (40yrs) than Ashley Young in my team never mind Giggs of years ago who was a top 3 winger in the whole of Europe

perhaps, this is why you aren't a coach. your cognitive skills are nothing to write home about. prefer ryan giggs to ashley young? i am sure you would prefer the present maradona to robben as well. we are printing out stats of how effective united wingers are on the pitch & this fool is chatting rubbish.....

cech & terry caused the goal....

dademola: nani
young
valencia
welbeck(shudnt hav added him)
giggs
januzaj
bebe

you made plenty or sense....

nani
25 goals + 56 assists in 136 league games

ashley young
38 goals + 67 assists in 224 league games

valencia
17 goals + 43 assists in 189 league games

giggs
109 goals + 96 assists in 623 league games

only a complete dork like dayokanu would say ashley young is the worst winger in man utd when statistically, he's the 2nd most productive winger at man utd.

if walcott hasn't been playing as a striker for arsenal in recent times, young should have statistically been the best english winger still in action.

elampiro: I guess you have a problem with English. Where in that writing was it stated the two passes have same length? Even a kindergarten baby knows the difference between comparing quality/perfection and comparing distance.

you are a fool - you said the pass was long, perfect and the execution was even better than the villa pass. in your rank stupidity, you forgot the pass was made in the crystal palace half of the pitch unlike the villa pass that rooney made in united's half of the pitch.

I never said they were of same distance.

you classified both as long and perfect - you even said this was better than the villa which suggests you thought it was longer than the villa pass. the beauty of a long pass is actually how long the distance was and how accurate it was.

I have seen that chronic baseless arguments is your hobby. I wonder why I should allow your lure me into this senseless habit. You are a daft to believe opta over what you saw with your eyes.

you are a miserable sod.....
who else can tell me more about the pass if not opta? if the villa pass was not as good as this one then can you tell us the reason why you think so? you have agreed villa's pass was longer & the accuracy wasn't in question as van persie didn't even need any touch before striking the ball. so tell us why you think the crystal palace pass is better or wear your stupidity badge with pride.

can united fans list the pecking order of our wingers in terms of their ability?

the wingers are bebe, janujaz, young, giggs, nani, valencia, welbeck.

elampiro: Show me where I said the Villa and Palace passes were same distance? Now you go for a twist again.

maybe you were high on marijuana when you wrote this....

elampiro: Coogar, this is shocking!!! I thought I wont be involve in any argument today, but it looks like you didn't watch this match. You probably were monitory it via stats, web commentary, etc.

Rooney's pass to RVP was long and perfect. It will end up being one of the best pass of the season. To me it looks better than what Rooney gave RVP last season which he used to score goal of the season. All the passes that threatened today were made by Rooney. Let's be sincere in our post match analysis.

elampiro - are you a white liar or not?

I have given you from other sources and wikipedia what makes a long pass, and the Rooney pass qualified. It follows common sense. Opta is confusing and distorting post match analysis.

other sources? so other sources would define a terminology for opta? isn't this sterling daftness? how come the other sources don't compute their own stats for the premier league? you have been found out again as a lying charlatan for comparing the villa pass to this one - you even said this one was better than the villa pass

elampiro: So your assumption is that I have lost it because I didn't argue further? Truly truly you really like argument.

you lost the argument cos i was able to spot the difference between the villa pass and the one on saturday. you claimed they were from the same distance but that's untrue. rooney made the villa pass from united's half of the field.

Why should I keep arguing when opta doesn't define its keys? It wakes up and say, this is a short assist, this is a long pass, etc. By the way what is a short assist?

shot assist = chance created = key pass.
the pass leading to a shot taken is a shot assist - this na common sense.

A certain Rooney's intelligent through pass early in the game seems to be missing from everything you have submitted.

the intelligent through-pass is a shot assist highlighted by the blue arrow aimed at the edge of the box on the graphics. your eyes have deceived you yet again.

elampiro: @Coogar go and play PE13. I won't follow you to the new angle and elaboration you are towing.

you have lost another argument, elampiro....when are you ever going to win here?

StarBoard: Your projected formation?
Mine goes like this:

DDG

Fabio-Evans-Vidic-Evra

Fellaini-Carrick

Nani-Rooney-Young(?)

Van Persie

Young makes Giggs relevant. If he was doing the right thing Giggs would be history

my formation would be 4-2-3-1.

------------DDG------------
smalling--evans--vidic--fabio
-----fellaini--cleverley-----
--zaha--kagawa--welbeck--
------------RVP------------

nani is suspended, too soon for rafael. rooney, rio, carrick & evra should be rested. young should be rested too as we might need him next sunday.

StarBoard: coogar leave elampiro and let's talk about tomorrow.
You too like argument and you no dey tire.
I wish you were like this with ladies.

So what's it gonna be, jare? Let's analyse.
I am not feeling too optimistic.

we would win 4-1 tomorrow.
if we keep giggs away from the starting line-up, leverkusen would be annihilated.

elampiro: Opta and its users are confused as to what makes a long pass. Dats all.

you are the only one confused....
blimey, you have lost your sense of direction & distance.

Rooney's pass against Palace was a long pass. It dropped inside the box from such a distance. Except if Opta is saying it was not made from one half to another or from flank to flank. The thing dey make me laf.

it's a short pass.....it didn't cover up to 20 yards. you cannot compare it to the one against villa last season - that was the crux of this argument from the outset.

the graphics below even showed the length of the pass. it's amongst opta's short pass category for rooney on saturday...

Secondly, Rooney doesn't play for golden boot but trophies. His is to help the team win trophies as much as possible. Goals are secondary while golden boot is one of the least things one can win in a tournament.

ronaldo was the main man between 2006 & 2009. when rooney was the main man in 2010, he lost the title for us and even lost the golden boot.

in 2010/11, rooney wanted to leave man utd, berbatov & hernandez became the main men & we won the league title & berba won a golden boot.

in 2012/13.....RVP came, saw & conquered and rooney became a second fiddle again in a club he's spent 9 seasons. no wonder he tried to run to chelsea.

superstar1: you are just as obsessed with Young, just the same way Elampiro is obsessed with Rooney. you are entitled to your view. from my point of view, YOUNG aka ''Reverse'' -- thanks to Elampiro cannot and i repeat cannot, command a shirt in a warri wolves shirt talkless of my darling super eagles. period. him playing for 3 lions clearly demonstrates either the shortage of quality players at the disposal of Hodgson or it reinforces the already well repeated line of the british press always over hyping their players. Simple.case closed for me.

nani & young are our best wingers - i don't know about y'all but young has produced 67 assists in the premier league and nani has 56 of those.

you cannot argue with ashley young on stats. he generates numbers that are beyond most household names in the premier league.

elampiro: I am done with this, except Opta defines their parameters.

But why is Rooney always among the best in every stat?

buhahaha - the best in every stat & no golden boot to show for his 9 seasons at man utd. shame on wayne rooney!

as for opta, they are good at what they do. rooney's pass to RVP on saturday isn't a long pass. his pass to RVP against villa last season was a long pass(assist) as shown by their graphics.

elampiro, you can't argue with opta stats.

elampiro: 1. Opta is confused, they have no parameter in determining what constitute a long pass:

fact remains they did not count rooney's pass to RVP on saturday as a long pass. it simply means it falls short of the required distance to make it a long pass. there's no confusion about it....

Responding to the bold part of your comment: In 2011/2012, Wayne Rooney gave the highest number of successful long passes in United. He was 7th in the EPL, he achieved that even though he was a striker and the highest goal scorer for United that season and second highest in the EPL. Before you go there, I have already removed his penalties and he is still second. What a genius. He was among the best creators and now it has come to the fore that he was a great distributor from midfield, coupled with the fact that he was the second highest goal scorer. Any United fan who dislikes Rooney is an ingrate.

unfortunately, we are talking about saturday, not 2011/12 where rooney's highest number of long passes at man utd lost us the league title. perhaps if he had concentrated on scoring goals against wigan & city in the title-run in instead of trying to become paul scholes, united would have won the league title.

i doubt messi/ronaldo pride themselves in the number of long passes they supply per season. they concentrate on their primary roles first before adding other stuff. this is why they are the best in the world & rooney cannot even win a golden boot in england - a feat berbatov & RVP achieved without sweating. is rooney a striker or a midfielder?

the mind boggles.....

superstar1: If the best of Young at his age can only be better than Giggs at 40, that sums it all up for him.

young is way more effective than giggs...who is giggs?

Valencia has more to offer offensively, counter attacking and defensively than that chicken head called Young.

you got jokes, don't you?

Be sincere Coogar, in the game against palace, who was more effective out of young and adnan?

young was more effective - he got an assist and he was the catalyst that got the game easier for us. adnan came on after palace's 10 players were already knackered with nothing to offer on the pitch. young played mostly against 11 men when palace defenders were fresh & up for it.

my grandma would have performed better than adnan when he came on. are you really comparing the fatigue levels of the palace players after playing with a man short throughout the 2nd half to the one in the first half when they were fresher with 11 players?

get some perspective.....

elampiro: 1. I have learnt nothing from the above. Simple question, what is along pass by opta? I will publish what some other sites see as a long pass.

it doesn't matter what other sites define as a long pass. if they are credible, they should have gotten the contract to compute the stats for the premier league. however, opta did not recognise the rooney pass to RVP on saturday as a long pass. it falls short of their standard.

if it irks you, go & take panadol!

2. You have agreed that you can submit Baines as the best creator in the EPL. I hold you to this statement in future argument. I remember only recently you described him as far below Evra.

evra defends better than baines. defending is the primary role of a defender not attacking. baines is a set-piece taker for everton, evra isn't. however, i can understand why teams who don't use out & out wingers rely on baines to provide the width.

If Baines is so good in creating chances as (wrongly) portrayed by Opta, then EPL teams didnt need to look far when they were bidding 40 millions all over Europe for attacking midfielders and wingers.

so opta is wrong with the stats of baines? are you deliberately trolling or you have nothing tangible to say? baines is a defender, not an attacking midfielder or winger - so i don't understand what you mean by other clubs in europe.

3. On Ashley Young, I won't argue because it won't lead nowhere. Opta cannot form an opinion for me on what I saw colocolo with my eyes only few days ago.

these eyes also saw roy keane playing against bayern in the 1999 final. the credibility of your eyes is questionable. opta are a reputable company paid by the premier league to supply statistics for the best league in the world. i know who i would put my trust in.

superstar1: You are right about him winning the game for us, but in overall perspective, putting his man utd career's into perspective he is an embarrassment to his U10 coach. he does 3 things:

1. pass to the back

2. cut the ball back and

3. whoop his crosses either senselessly above everybody or the first standing defender will nod it out.

in a mediocre team, he is good. in a manchester united shirt he is capital zero.

this is quite strange.....
nani is the only winger better than ashley young @ man utd. young is miles better than giggs, valencia or anyone else in man utd. if passing back & cutting back retains possession for the team then i am happy. i'd rather that than the hollywood passes of giggs or the cluelessness of valencia.

superstar1: Even the Queen knows Young is shitty Coogar. there is no argument about that. he is the worst thing ever to happen to man Utd after bebe and djemba djemba.

but his statistics disagree with his critics. even on saturday, he won us the game. assisted the first goal & effectively reduced palace to 10 men and the match became easier from then on.

dademola: nani is suspended, i think..

oh true....
the red card against madrid. isn't that 3 matches suspension? what a bummer. play valencia in place of nani. nani must start against city......

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Coog should i take you serious really?

Zaha, Buttner, Evans, Fabio and an untested pivot of Tom/Fellaini to square up against the third best team in Germany?

C'mon mate, a draw for you lots should be a feat going with that lineup.[/color]

leverkusen?
united's 3rd team would beat those lots. the only reason i put felliani & cleverley is because the former played as a sub in the last game & the latter didn't kick a ball at all. otherwise, it would have been giggs & half-fit fletcher.

elampiro: Exactly what I am telling you, opta stat can be misleading because they have their own definition of things in soccer. So if you were told to get the best creator in the EPL you will mention Baines?

why not? those of us who play fantasy league know baines has been productive in the last 3-4 seasons. what is new to you is a well-known fact to many of us.

Being on the PFA team is not a guarantee that he was the best creator, Evra has been on the PFA list manay times without being a creator.

it's either you are producing the goods as a defender or keeping clean sheets. baines play for everton so keeping clean sheets can't be his strength. however, what he loses by conceding goals, he makes up by scoring/assisting/creating chances.

Now, the Rooney's pass to RVP against Villa, what were their distance measurement respectively? Then what is opta measurement/definition of a long pass?

this definition had been written before rooney made the pass. if opta defines a long pass as 30 or more yards and rooney made a 29-yard pass then rooney's pass is not a long pass. it's as simple as that. we should not take opta serious because it failed to recognise rooney's pass as a long pass? you must be a joker. if rooney cüms in a condom, i am 100% sure you would drink it.

Young was poor against Liverpool. But let me just leave that.

if young was poor, his fellow midfielders were poorer than him.

--------lindegaard-------
fabio-smalling-evans-buttner
---cleverley---fellaini---
--nani---kagawa---zaha--
--------hernandez-------

this team is good enough for leverkusen. no need risking the big boys in this game. the game against city is far more important.

SailorXY: @superstar
Another left hand drive for Nani

chevrolet gave all the united players a brand new car each. audi did the same too. those players are balling.

elampiro: Stop twisting issues. Show me where I said I discovered Baines was the highest before opta published it? The argument I put forward was that Opta stat should not be taken serious because:

(A) opta told us Young was our best midfielder against Liverpool whereas he wasn't.

young was our best midfielder against liverpool - this was why he started against palace. there's no parameter you can think of
that young didn't do better than his fellow midfielders. he even outpasssed carrick & cleverley.

(B) opta told us baines is the most creative player in the EPL.

and in your frail mind, you don't think baines created the most chances last season? how did he manage to be on the PFA team? statistics are facts, not your opinion.

elampiro: This is it. The EPL best creator is Baines. Also, total clear cut chances created is 21. He is highest on both parameters.

There is a second creative start sorted on other parameters as goal assists. Mata, Rooney, Hazard, Carzola and Walcott came top. When drilled to minutes played in the season per assist, Rooney and Mata came top.

are you a dreamer?
i said show us where you told us baines was the best creator before opta printed the stats. who does not know baines' productivity? honestly, i really think you drink shekpe before coming on this forum to post.

baines' productivity has been a topic of discussion before you found your way to this section of the forum - stop lying to us that you discovered baines' productivity. when i said show proof - i mean you should show us your posts/comments where i was arguing with you about baines, not the nonsense charts you are putting up.