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SailorXY: My own be say I no wan see Young anywhere near Man Utd first team again

elampiro: Yes, Hargreaves used a farm (bush)trap. Have you ever been to the farm? You know that trap with zigzag nails, that was what Hargreaves used on Messi.

Don't worry, I will resume the topic on Sunday evening if time permits. I will look for video clips or whatever. I used to have the CD of that match but I did not burn it to retain a soft copy. Let's let sleeping dogs lie. May be we will get better evidence to argue with later. DSTV usually repeat those matches. I am going to rewatch the matches with special emphasis on the issues we have raised here. We shall come another day. (Man United vs Barca, Juve vs Man United, Man United vs Bayern, Man United vs Chelsea were CDs I kept like treasure and watched again and again but friends took them from me).

Haven said the above, you need to repent of your insults. They don't help the debate. Provocation leads to bringing up unnecessary points and derailment to the debate.

elampiro: @ Coogar, I said I am through.

dademola: hw many games did oshea play in both d UCL n d EPL dt season?

elampiro: Exactly, at least I am reporting what I saw. But you used you plasma hd TV and you could see nothing, you were overtaken by nervousness. Your assumption till date was that Messi, Iniester and Eto all operated via Evra's wing.

Fabville: These are the reasons why coogar calls you a liar.

elampiro: If I were 49 I would expect you to address me as 'sir'.

Oshea did not play UCL knockout games because Hargreaves could kill Barca better. Period. Dont forget Oshea played in the knockout in subsequent years.

elampiro: I refused to be provoked. But go and put your pieces in your video game and PE13 which only what you know about. As for real soccer you are so limited.

elampiro: All bushit. Excuse! Excuse!! Excuse!!! I won't do round this unnecessarily circle.

dademola: sneijder to replace hargo?? Wen it was all over d news utd were looking for a MFder to replace d ageing paul scholes?? Hw can sneijder, who was knwn for his creativity, be d direct replacement for a defensive midfielda?? And u dey argue wit afrodoc say ur soccer analytical nous doesnt need a reconfig?? Smh

nitlad: What are you people arguing about when you can easily parade this team and cop the 3 points on offer against Palace?

Elampiro to play his favoured 'Rooney Role'

afrodoc: @Elampiro
I see that you have remained silent on your assertion that Butt was preferred to Scholes in big games in the 98/99 season

elampiro: Barca has never been able to disgrace Chelsea. That is the difference. United will always be lucky to run away with two goals deficit and also heavily losing in possession againt Barca. Chelsea always gave a deserving fight even with Ramires and Meireres 9is that the spelling?). Intr Milan also gave a deserving match against Barca.

2. The excuse that Scholes was on the bench due to a yellow card is a story that should be told to kindergarten pupils. We needed to cross that hurdle badly and were going to the lions den. We needed the best men on the pitch. If we had won heavily in the first leg, that would have been a good reason. Moreover, we SAF had always risk men on yellow cards in penultimate games to the finals.

You keep saying Hargreaves was to protect West Brown. I take that as a credit to Hargreaves bacause Nani could have been used. But SAF knew only Hargreaves could kill the threat from that side where Cole, Malouda and Lampard used to explore opponents. This just reconfirm my point.

4. That SAF comment has nothing to do with what happened on the night where United hosted Barca. If Hargreaves was still in the team, SAF would have said better things about him how he clipped Messi, Iniester and Eto, and how he would have used him again. But the baba had to be focus on the he had available.

5. I didn't bother looking at that Kagawa stat because everyone knows he cannot mark or win 50-50 ball, we don't even have to go to aerial duels.

Fabville: I think i will like to see Kagawa play behind RVP in this formation. He has played two international friendlies in the past 8 days. The only thing that could prevent is maybe Jetlag.

SailorXY: Abeg make we discuss match day jawe

lertee: Wow,awon eleyi,won follow gan o.
Btw,where is the coogar sef, has he been sentenced to life ban.
I knew he wouldn't make it.

elampiro: I accept the error- Kean didn't play final. However, it just but boost Hargreaves again. He is on 100%. Had he continued for us, we should have added at least one more. But Scholes too was missing in the important games of 1999. To drive the point home, Kean and Butt started ahead of the shadow marker Scholes.

2. You said if one plays 10 Hargreaves against Barca one will still be disgraced? That is a lie. Why did they not disgrace Inter Milan and Bayern? How many times have they beaten Chelsea? United were beaten in scores and possession hands down.

3. Whether Kean won nothing for 2.5 year didn't matter. What matters was that he benched Scholes in Turin in their biggest match ever. Why did SAF play Kean and Butt ahead od Scholes?

4. Hargreaves playing from the right back against Barca meant the threat from Messi, Iniester, Eto were far reduced. These were the guys who love to attack from the side into the box. That was a big decision SAF took that helped us.

5. Don't even compare Kagawa to Sneijder in winning balls.

Inter’s second and possibly biggest dilemma regarded Wesley Sneijder. The midfield orchestrator had been linked with both Manchester teams throughout the summer and the transfer looked very likely to go through, apparently there was even a website that featured a countdown for Sneijder to sign for United. At the end Sneijder remained, but despite his permanency, Gasperini faces an unnecessary problem.

Gasperini insists his teams play a 3-4-3 formation, which clearly is not suited for Sneijder. Considering Inter do play 3-4-3, the two most realistic positions Sneijder could take up in this formation is left wing forward or centre midfield. Sneijder does not have the speed and style to play up wide and it would also be hard to leave the likes of Forlan, Coutinho or Alvarez out as they are more suited for that role. Regarding centre midfield, he doesn’t have the right work rate and physicality to succeed there. It will be hard to see Sneijder play wide or deep, so Gasperini might end up modifying his 3-4-3 to a 3-4-1-2 formation. Let’s have a look statistically on how Sneijder could play in a deeper central midfield position.

https://cdn.whoscored.com/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fsneijdervscambiasso.jpg

Esteban Cambiasso would be Sneijder’s partner in centre midfield in a 3-4-3, and when comparing their defensive statistics against each other, one could say it is rather suicidal.

Sneijder averaged an embarrassing 0% aerial duel success last year in Serie A compared to Cambiasso’s 52%. Sneijder made an average of .36 interceptions and .56 tackles p/g, while Cambiasso averages 2 interceptions and 2.47 tackles p/g.

Lastly Sneijder got dispossessed 1.84 times p/g and Cambiasso recorded a low .37 dispossession rate. Obviously Sneijder dominates all the attacking statistics compared to Cambiasso, but in a deep midfield position, the Dutchman would be too far away from his comfort zone to fully express his talents.

elampiro: 1. All these are stories. Hargeaves played one season and won the double. So whether United won 7 straight league or not is immaterial. In the league he got 100%, in the UCL he also score 100%.

United has played 4 UCL finals. In two of them we had ball winners (Kean/Hargreaves) and we won the matches.

In other two we had shadow markers (Scholes and Carrick) and lost in scores, and also lost woefully in possession because no one to take away the ball from the opponents.

I wont allow you drag me to that era when Fabian Batez conceded cheap goals to 'big Ronaldo', ethat wasn't a final sef.

2. In Madird Jones was in the middle, yes. But if you watch the match you will see him stopped Ronaldo several times particularly in the second half, and he did some stopping by racing backwards. I guess you didn't watch the match.

3. You mentioned Rafael, Valencia, RVP, Rooney etc. You should try and know the reason for argument. The argument has to do with midfielders ability to win balls from opponents. Hargreaves, Kean, Fellaini are on same group.

You can add Sneider, but not Kagawa. But this argument is not about Kagawa because I don't want to say bad things about him anymore until he gets his chance this season.

elampiro: kean and Hargreaves won Champions League. They also won the league. So you have no point. The point is when we were without them, we were disgraced in the UCL final in terms of possession.

Sneijder is not like Kagawa. Kagawa is indomie, he is not forceful and cant even win simple 50-50 balls. Sneider is a lion. We had Scholes Carrick , Fletcher and Park yet we went for Hargreaves and Anderson to seek power.

Hargreaves left, immediately we became powerless in that department and everyone had been shouting since. Why did SAF put Jones on Ronaldo in Madrid and on Fellaini against Everton? Did we not have Cleverly and Anderson. Power! Power!! Power!!!

elampiro: 1. I changed my mind after a last reply whenever I see a provocative post, particularly from you.

2. Hargreaves was preferred in big games, not disputable. Only when there was a special assignment or he injured. How many big games did he miss?

3. 'Sit out' means the person was not involved, not necessarily that he was on the bench. But again I stated three big games Scholes watched from the bench when Hargreaves played. Then we had like 5 or 6 of such while Carrick was on the bench.

4. United played 4-3-3 in Moscow. If you think it was 4-4-2 that is your headache. Some papers had 4-2-1-3 while many could not state the formation because it was odd. Hargreaves role was confusing.

5. Ask yourself why Hargreaves played instead of Oshea who had always played in place of Brown?

6. United played two finals without Hargreaves and we were disgraced in possession because no one to take the ball from barca. No one to engage in direct confrontation. But in 2008, Hargreaves clipped Messi. Did you not watch it. What is the lie there?

7. Messi did not operate in the right. You did not watch the match. Messi started from the Hargreaves wing and later ran away to Evra's side.

Finally, if Scholes and Carrick were so special why did we cry for Sneijder ever since? Even SAF admitted that Hargreaves was the long time replacement for Kean just few weeks he arrived.

elampiro: Perhaps only one last time I want to reply to you so as not to derail the current argument going on.

1. What do you mean I was exposed as a fraud? Everything I said was corrct except you decided to look at it from a narrow point. You keep shouting lies, lies. Can you point to any lie? Or were you referring to when I said Carrick and Scholes sat out while Hargreves played?

2. You also said Hargreaves only played two games in central midfield in the knockout stage. Except you didn't understand my statement, I said Hargreaves was selected ahead whenever he was fit and there was not need for a special assignment in another position. I wasn't speaking Dutch at all. He played 9 matches in the UCL with 2 in the group stage. He was deployed to kill Messi and Iniester against Barca in the right back. Even Messi had to run to Evra side to operate when Hargreaves clipped him. Also in the final, SAF gave him another special assignment which he alone could do based on his versatility, speed, energy and ball winning skills.

All the other arguments I had already provided answers, so no need to go round circles with you.

Finally, you seem not to know the basis of the argument in the first place. The argument has gone from its primary into detractive subsidiaries which add no value. The argument was all about what ball winning midfield guy like Fellaini brings along, then the first twist came when dademola asked me to mention any match in which Hargreaves played a two man midfield. Then I gave him three big matches without looking far.

My earlier assertion that SAF usually added a third midfielder to Scholes and Carrick to help them in ball winning while playing against tough oppositions also came to the fore. I just want to stop here so that I don't belabour this.

r231: Make sure the bus is not full cus one jackass will still come and tell you to move that's why when I get on the coach I either put my bag or jacket on the other seat so nobody can sit

Carrick: I think my strength is I'm calm. I don't get too emotional. In terms of improving, I'm always looking to learn. You're never done.

Billyonaire: Sometimes I think we humans are daft. A book written by Neanderthals now held in highest esteem than scientific evidences.

chaircover: seriously!!!

im scrapping airport meet and greet . . £1.00 megabus here we come

r231: make sure you have your pillow ready for your back and if you have long legs...hmmmmm dont have a solution to that one yet

r231: Lol.......

a week in advance but not good if you are tall cus your back and leg wont be the same for about 2wks

chaircover: I have about 100 posts on this thread and this is the only one you saw abi

I took it to the motherless babies home.

chaircover: when did you get back from Bible school btw?
Are you now a pastor?

chaircover: funlanders I forgot to tell you . . .

Yesterday I was walking along with oga and he found £15 on the ground. it was a long deserted footpath and no one had passed us so we didn't know who dropped it. Sad for the person who lost their money

StarBoard: Suddenly coogar does a volte-face from his original position

https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/217

https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/216

Funny. . .

SailorXY: Are you kidding? This guy says #450,000 for a Mercedes G-Wagon & then values a Mazda Tribute @ nearly #1m!

ayobase: According to Genesis 1:22-27, "26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

God created these set of people on the sixth day.

And in Genesis 2:7-8 "7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


I would have said the latter was the manifestation of the former, but Cain's issue complicated things in Genesis 4:16-17. He found a wife in the land of Nod and married there. I don't think Adam and Eve gave birth to those!


Back to the question or conclusion, one can certianly say God created some set of people before Adam and Eve.

Emperoh: Who's the moderator here?
This is not just wrong posting, but a fraudulent one at that!!!

Please moderator, can you ban that arse posting this bullshit and hide the posting as well!