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nitrogen: I know you are aware that Fergie did such things and did go away with them, he would always start woefully and win the league, Can Moyes do that?

it remains to be seen.....
if we are not around the 1st/2nd position by christmas then we can start worrying...

afrodoc: I agree that giggs was poor,but young did not exactly cover himself in glory either.

young did better than carrick/cleverley in the first half. carrick had a pass completion of 69% in the first half, i have never seen him that poor. no real support for van persie - the crosses were too close to the goalie or blocked by the first man.

FYI Nemanja Vidic is RIGHT FOOTED
just that he plays on d left side of defence usually cos he is more comfortable there than d other centrebacks apart from mayb evans

vidic is not comfortable with the ball at his feet!
he's so unsure of himself - he's too stiff! he takes forever to decide what to do with the ball. rio is just plain lazy - a defender of his experience should be communicating where he wants his midfielders to receive the ball.

afrodoc: young was poor.he kept getting the ball backing his marker and as a result kept passing the ball back to vidic and rio

how was young poor? he made the first cross as early as the 2nd or 3rd minute. he kept the ball well, retained possession and if evra had been more clever with the ball, something would have come out of their combo in the first half. young's side of the pitch was our only penetration in the game until nani/valencia were reunited!

giggs and nani on the other hand were able to face the full backs even if their final ball was inconsistent.

giggs/nani? mention one cross delivered by giggs - in short, mention one good thing giggs did today. it was young pinging one volley that was blocked outside the box. young did better than anyone in the midfield that started the game.

vidic had a near howler back pass and rio was partially culpable for the goal after young's mess up.
poor performance all round

the people making the backpasses take the blame - vidic is a left footer, if the ball is put to his right foot, he struggles. my problem today was the lack of mobility in the midfield - vidic/rio had no one to pass to when trying to distribute. it's the reason they make back passes - cleverley & carrick kept hiding instead of making themselves available to receive passes.

dademola: i've alws sed it, and wld continue to say it; TOM CLEVERLEY AND WELBECK AINT GOOD ENOF TO PLAY FOR MAN UTD, AND AS LONG AS ENGLAND CONTINUE TO DEPEND ON SUCH PLAYERS, DEY WILL NEVA DO WELL IN ANY COMPETITION!! Sme pple here wld say cleverley's strenghths is his movement, and his ability to "keep it simple". Choi!!

even when we had scholes & keane at their best, anfield was a difficult ground for united. i cannot judge our strength based on this match. the judgement would come if moyes flunks matches we would normally have won.

anfield is our bogey ground!

SailorXY: ...& what do u have to say about Mr. Young? Still think he should be an option on the LMF?

young was very good...
minus his mistake of getting caught on the ball that led to the liverpool corner. we still had time to defend that corner, rio allowed agger to steal the header & sturridge just flicked with his head into the net....

you people should forget this game....

no need for the overanalysis - it was a standard anfield performance. we have never ever played well @ anfield. our fixture with them on that ground is like a world cup final for them. the average scouser is satisfied with a trophyless season as long as they beat united.

man utd(fergie)

vs swansea(1-1)
vs liverpool(2-1)
vs chelsea(0-1)

4 points from 3 games
3 goals scored, 3 conceded.

man utd(moyes)
vs swansea(4-1)
vs chelsea(0-0)
vs liverpool(0-1)

4 points from 3 games
4 goals scored, 2 conceded.

Lilboots: Lol. It is funny that you take this position. To what extent would you advise the said pastor to refuse to comment, yet on a Sunday , he stands in church and preach. Doesn't it sound baffling ? Part of the problem here is his refusal to say 'yea' or 'Nay'. Let's say we follow your hypothetical case, and your client (i.e Pastor B) maintains mum (silent)in a police station and then he is charged to court.

if he keeps mum @ the police station, they cannot force him to speak. if his lawyers ask him to keep silent, he keeps silent!

Do you know that If he did that in court (maintains silence), he may be held in contempt of court and can be locked up until he answers the question ? Or if indeed he was been charged in front a jury, the jury can be prompted to come out with a decision on what they believe in (which I think a lot of Nigerians have done in this site and others). He is perfectly entitled to answer any question with "I don't know". While he can be compelled to answer questions, he can't be compelled to know the answer. But whichever way, we would have heard from Pastor B.

don't make your own argument hombre...
i never said anything about him keeping mum in court, i only said keep mum @ the police station! by the time he gets to court, the evidence against him would have been produced by the prosecutor - something i am asking ese to provide before pastor biodun can open his mouth to give any statement!

In criminal law, if a defendant's plea in court that he/she will not contest the charge of a particular crime/accusation, also called "nolo contendere." While technically not an admission of guilt for commission of the crime, the judge will treat a plea of "no contest" as such an admission and proceed to find the defendant guilty as charged.

how you arrived at this is baffling......
i reiterate, i did not mean pastor biodun should keep silent in court. all i am saying is he should remain silent until the evidence against him is produced.

Mr Coogar, I do not want to continue this law lecture because if we do, I do not think we will finish here. At some point, in a hypothetical case, Pastor B would say something. However, that sounds rather far-fetched at this stage, so let the jury decide on what they believe in. And if you have been on a jury trial, the decision is made by votes of the jurists and a decision is reached by the majority votes. In this case, we know what it is. So please keep advising the said pastor to keep mum. It won't wash with us. If the tactics worked before, it won't this time around as nigerians are growing wiser to the antics of this pastors.

he should remain silent until the evidence against him is produced. if his case gets to court, his prosecutor would have the evidence - the jury would not only rely on the statement of the accused - they would want to see the evidence or exhibits that triggered the allegation in the first place - that's how the courts work!

when ese releases the evidence she's holding, pastor biodun would make a statement - until then, he should not even waste his time addressing the issue that has already been pre-judged by the irate masses!

chamotex: We played better but we didn't create enough chances.
Mignolet only made 2 saves that I could remember.
Individual errors left right centre. Our wing play is non existent and that is very worrying.

nani added some pep to the tempo but he came on too late. liverpool scored from a setpiece - it wasn't as if de gea had plenty to do too. we isolated van persie - giggs didn't stay on the flank & his passes when he operated in the hole were abysmal!

Anyways no need to press the panic button, it was always going to be a tough game.
Onto the Crystal Palace match.

no panic stations yet -
we gave a standard anfield performance - how many times have we won there in the last 6 seasons? once - last season because shelvey got sent off & we had a penalty @ the death!

my disappointment was the fact that moyes didn't learn from fergie's mistakes - you need lions in the midfield at anfield not lambs like giggs. i cannot count the number of moves that broke down with giggs today - it was embarrassing at times....

chamotex: Individually, crappy performance.
If Giggs has any decorum, he should retire after this match.
We need help. Smh

we played better than liverpool.....
it's just that there were many passengers in this game today. cleverley & carrick were rubbish, rio/vidic were too pedestrian in taking the ball out of our half....

we should be fine, let's get the difficult games out of the way and we should be coasting from next week after the city game. the fixtures haven't been kind to us at all but this is united - we don't need to start well to win the league!

debosky: Some people were seeing 'positives' from the nonsense of Monday. I hope y'all see some more positives in this performance.

I dey go bring my gangan drum.

like ferguson never lost at anfield?
you are a big mumu - we have always been horrible @ anfield. moyes got himself in a twist when he started giggs in a high intensity game. too late for the calvary to salvage anything.

we lost at anfield in 08/09, 09/10, 10/11 under fergie....

afrodoc: i believe kagawa must be injured not to even make the match day squad

moyes said everyone is fit minus rafael - yet he's starting giggs ahead of anderson, zaha, kagawa, janujaz, hernandez. that to me is just irresponsible of moyes!

nitrogen:

On a serious note, seems Giggs 'don' jazz Moyes too.

i hope he gets injured today - metatarsal or multiple hamstrings!

bxg: Replace Giggs for Kagawa

you are correct
moyes is a fool - playing giggs in this game makes no sense. that old fool should just retire already. what form has giggs shown to keep nani, anderson & kagawa out of the starting line-up?

@MUFCXI : De Gea; Jones, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra; Valencia, Cleverley, Carrick, Welbeck; Kagawa, Van Persie. #MUFC

moyes is a genius...

SailorXY: Young is useless on the left as far as I'm concerned *sorry to say* I'll rather have Buttner & Januzaj there. Nani will ultimately own the spot anyway

young is our best winger on the left. he's got more penëtration than any player we have got bar nani on that left side. his in-swingers are massive!

SailorXY: ^^ Valencia should start @ RB while Zaha plays ahead of him @ RMF. The combination on the right wing will be balanced. Jones' place is @ CB ONLY, he has no clue with the ball. Smalling does a better job on the right side.

if we play welbeck behind van persie today, we will beat liverpool. young on the left, valencia on the right. kagawa/chicharito can come on later in the game.

i am so happy rooney is not playing - he's only had 1 good game @ anfield as a united player and that was as far back as his debut season with us.

adesbreath: I can't believe I use to admire and respect your opinions before, you just argued like a child!!!

fact is - i don't even know you exist!

Akainzo: What if during that BJ, no sperm fell on the dress; or what if Monica had sent that dress to the drycleaners, would it have meant the event never happened?

then she would have to look for another evidence. if something is true, some dots would connect. text messages, call logs, etc can be extracted as evidence.

Lilboots: Thank you for bringing up the raape case example. Should someone who, prior to the accusation, is capable of speech, can communicate orally and in writing suddenly keep mute without being under duress, what would you think? Should common sense and logic not lead you to believe that the said accused would easily say 'I am innocent of the crime you accuse me of' ? 'When any person is accused of a crime, or charged with any fact, and he does not deny it, in general, the presumption is very strong that the charge is correct.'http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s156.htm

but you would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the charge is correct before you can get a conviction and the accused does not need to say a word until he involves a lawyer or until his case is opened in court. people get arrested and answer "no comments" @ the police station until evidence is produced. you of all people should know that.

Cast your mind to when you were a kid and let us say your brother had accused you of taking his N5.00 and reported you to your parents. What would you think your parents would say to you first? Would it be 'Coogar, did you take X's N5.00' or would it be 'Coogar, can you show me your pockets or your bag?' Definitely, the first question is what is asked 99% of the time. This is what is asked and the silence, from an otherwise vocal Pastor, is what is baffling even to his most ardent supporters.

my parents would ask him how he knew i was the one that took it - he would have to produce his evidence. his evidence would be to frisk my bag or my pocket and if no money is found, he is in big soup! you just don't go around accusing people cos you can - it's awful!

Calling me a bubbling oaf is erring on the side of personal attack. I do not want to condescend to name-calling as this rather childish. Your argument should rather be focused on your opinions which many here have found seriously flawed and partisan.

i did not call you a bumbling oaf....
don't play the victim - i said if ese(hypothetical) comes out later and she says everything was a hoax, won't that make you look like a bumbling oaf considering the fact that you had believed her and you were casting aspersions at pastor biodun?

whether my argument is flawed or partisan is a moot point, i don't argue to please anyone - God forbid i kowtow the majority especially nigerians on issues like this. whenever i see nigerians arguing towards the left, more often than not, arguing towards the right is the solution

if nigerians get it right all the time, our country won't be as bad as it is - so i am not with y'all's herd mentality.

lertee: He obviously doesn't know anything and he is such a dummy,most of his facts are based on the occurences of the 90s,he still expects things to remain the way he left them. What an archaic way of thinking..a re-orientation would help his sick ministry

says the product of a polyandrous marriage with poop for brains. you have the intelligence of an unborn foetus.... you are the dullest member this forum has ever produced, ain't you the vermin that was arguing 3 days ago ilorin is the best in nigeria? a douchebag of your size can cleanse the orificë of a whale!

may amadioha impregnate you with a dozen midgets!

Nolongthing1: Hello everyone , i'm just very sad and unhappy with the way my life is going i'm confused , i feel all alone because my gf left the country two wks ago and has only called me once, and before she left the country twas a LDR and during which whenever i confess my love to her she replies with ok or i've heard when i asked her why she was always like that, she said i don't like saying it and she never even wrote a warm bday greetings on my fb , surprisingly she wrote it on a guyz wall 2dayz ago ending d message with #kisses i was very mad but you know the painful part this is when i've just dedicate energy to mk a relationship work and here you ve it not working as i wanted because i never used to be serious in relationships .......just don't know f she'z still into me or not.

your girlfriend travelled barely 2 weeks ago and you are already crying! won't she settle down? you think living abroad is a stroll in the park? maybe your girl hasn't had dinner as we speak and all you are concerned about is a phone call?

you need to take a chill pill - give her at least a month to get her groove. find a chat platform to communicate with her - international calls can be expensive. you should have ended the relationship if LDR was going to take such a toll on you.....man up and stop moaning.

Tolexander: almost saying the same thing. It seems the cult activities was reduced to the very ground state in 2004. Heard the then school administration made a ransack of the school hostels and many guns were found. The students union government was halted. I went to the school in 2005 and i found it peaceful.

that's pleasing to hear - we want all our universities cult-free.

Lilboots: By reading your posts in reply to me and others, it has become clear that there is no point having an argument with you as you are so rooted to your ideology. For what purpose, I do not know. However, the fact is that the above would not cease to be discussed as Pastor Biodun (by his act) is representative of what is going wrong in the way we Christians worship in Nigeria. A lot of people's frustrations are borne by the fact that not only was what Pastor Biodun did wrong, they have seen or witnessed similar patterns in their locality.

and so pastor biodun should be made scapegoat for something he may or may not be guilty of? this is absolute ingenuity. since i know räpe cases are common in lagos, anyone accused of being a räpist should face instant judgement - there's no point investigating or looking at the evidence. let's just hang the accused & get over it.

No be by force to be Pastor na. But if you must be, then live the way Christ has asked his leaders to live. When they are paid by the church (plus other entitlements), boys (pastors) are smiling, when they are asked to be held accountable, boys no go smile (asking who are u to judge me na). It is us, the tax payers or the tithe payers in this case).

hahahahaha
this guy is pained o - so all along, it's the perks the pastors get that is pinching you? come off it, mate! no one is saying pastors should have some immunity - but you need to be sure the allegations are 100% cast iron before casting aspersions at pastors.

His church is a 21st century organisation and internet privy as they own a website. Every organisation worth its salt would have brought a rejoinder by now should the said accusation be false. It is not just a smear to the pastor but to the entire organisation. Just a paragraph would have been enough.

rejoinders would be brought out when ese proves she's not trolling. why should she be taken serious?

However in the face of growing past evidence of the behaviour of the man,the debate cannot keep still waiting for Pastor Biodun to issue a rejoinder. Nigerian Christains are tired of being mucked about by this puppets in the alter spewing whatever they can for their own selfish gains. Pastoral duties now is becoming a means to an end which is really sad. The whole saga is becoming symptomatic of what is wrong about the Church system in Nigeria.

all i am asking you to do is look before you leap...... be sure of what you are saying before criticising them. supposing ese comes out tomorrow & says she was lying all along and she was paid by someone to write rubbish - would you not look like a bumbling oaf?

Tolexander: probably you are talking about ibadan poly. Things started getting peaceful on cultism in UI in 2005. I visited the school in 2005, the school was peaceful.

zezeny: Now I understand u. U are mixing up Poly Ibadan with UI. Poly Ibadan is very close to UI. So, most times wen any cultist activity occurs there, it is mostly believed by many to av happened in UI. But trust me bro, there is no cultist activity,either in its minor form or major form, in UI.

i can't mix up a polytechnic and a uni - i know what I am saying, people. i said 2004, not 2009. that was the last time i heard of any cult clash in UI.

zezeny: U must av visited UI in d late 90s bro. U won't tell me u visited UI in d last 6 to 7 years and talk dis way. My advice for u is dat, u shud revisit UI and see tins for urself. I'm sure by dis, ur thought about d skul will change.

sometime in 2004, 9 students were killed in UI in a cult clash with some students of polyibadan!

philips70: And it would have been herculean for Ese Walters to use Pastor Judas or any other complete name if she wanna go anonymous? Leave the anonymous nature of the message and deal with the message. Am very far away from Abuja right now but a colleague of mine who schooled with this Biodun confirmed 70% of what the writer wrote. Evil triumph when the righteous keep silent. Even the family of the ones caught on tape are still crying persecution. That is Nigeria for you. Nobody accepts crimes except their hands are caught red-handed in the soup pot. It is the same we that will say GEJ and PDP are bunch of thieves or Tinubu and his APC cohorts are criminals

i also have a friend in gombe that claims he was a classmate of a certain philips70 who was a serial räpist in a federal university. he swore with a bible when he told me this.

i guess that makes you a räpist, isn't it?

Lilboots: Mr Coogar, have you ever wondered why people are so keen on making Pastor Biodun accountable? Because he is a pastor of a church and is in position of authority. Of course no-one is absolving Ese of any blame. She was allegedly a conspirator in the act. But why am I not wasting my time discussing her here ? This is because she does not head an establishment of which I am part of. She does not preach every Sunday from the pulpit neither is she a person of influence in the Church.
It is so easy in today's Nigeria (where historically records are not kept), to keep shouting where is the evidence when cornered because that is escape route to follow when accused. Would you not have been the first to shout that her actions were pre-meditated if she were to bring out a nylon bag full of used condoms, credit card receipts of hotel lodge/room or even perhaps a picture of the said pastor in his under pants. I would be one of the first to shout that this was planned from the on-set to lure the man in to a trap (of course, of which I expect as a man of God he should not fall into).

i would have respected ese 1 billion times if she had backed her statement with a compelling evidence. whether she lured the pastor or trapped him, the fact of the matter would have been so glaring that pastor biodun committed an immoral act. we wouldn't even be here to discuss this & pastor biodun himself would have had to come out of his shell and explain why he was caught under the sheets committing adultery with a church member.

monica lewinsky did not just claim she fëllated on bill clinton, she preserved a sëmen-stained blue dress of hers as evidence that something went down between herself & the US president. did anyone accuse her of a pre-meditated plot? did clinton not come out of his shell to make a statement and tender apologies for his lack of self-control? if ese has any evidence, she should provide it & stop this demonic charade - her intransigence to withhold compelling evidence is a distraction in the church.

Historically (and is still the case), Nigeria and nigerians thrive on stories passed down from older ones to younger ones about ones culture. Would you say that because there were no pictures of your Great-grand father he never existed. I do not dis-counter what Ese said because that type of attitude and many other atrocities by men of God have become endemic in the Christianity system nowadays.

how can you dispute what ese said when you have already made up your mind that pastor biodun is guilty. because robbery is endemic in the nigerian society, you would have joined the mob in ALUU to maim those 4 innocent boys too without hearing their own side of the story.

i reiterate, what kind of a christian judge a one-sided story? what will Jesus do?

I will tell you why previous behavioural patterns are important. You brought up the issue of Pastor Kayode Williams, who according to you was a notorious armed robber before he gave his life to Christ. He may have changed because of his current status (born again), but it will be foolhardy not to scrutinise Pastor Williams if an allegation of theft or armed robbery is levelled against him. Would it not be foolish, even to you, to think that Pastor Williams no matter his status would be crossed off the list of suspects because he is a born again pastor bla bla.

that's exactly my point....
prophet williams past makes him an easy target for any mischievous fellow like ese. all you just have to do is cook up a story that prophet williams bankroll and supply arms for armed robbers & the story would stick. pastor biodun has had previous allegations against him in the past, ese played on that technicality cos she knew the ever gullible nigerian public would swallow her tales the moment she mentions the events that took place in ilorin.

it's called a set-up!

In Nigeria maybe because of the mentality (and it is exactly this mentality I am against), but in western countries, he would be among the suspects until he is absolved of all blame. Why would he be? Because of his previous/past record. A lot of people hide under the 'born again' cloak in other to absolve themselves of any wrong doing. As Nigerians would say 'shine ya eye'.

in the western world, the police would have asked ese to produce her evidence and stop inciting controversies. if pastor biodun was an ordinary man, i would still have defended him against this cheap blackmail. it's nothing to do with his spirituality or leadership in the church.

Funny how you said because he has given his life to christ, his past should be forgotten. How do we know he has given his life to christ in the true sense of the word. If indeed he has, he won't be finding himself in all of this, so as far as I am concerned, whatever laws I will judge myself by, I will of him. Who has ever gone to court over an alleged crime and tell the judge that after committing the crime, he prayed and has now become a 'born again' and that the past (i.e the crime he was accused of) does not matter? Lol.

you are veering off tangent....
no one here has said pastor biodun shouldn't be punished or demoted or even stoned to death if guilty - but are you 100% sure he's guilty or you are just a disciple of cheap gossips? which is which? even the court would allow a fair trial where both parties would be heard and evidence would be produced. however, you have made up your mind already without any shred of evidence....

that to me is a joke!

To absolve myself of any 'one-sided' accusation, should there be an Ese-bashing thread, I shall be there in a heartbeat rebuking her of sleeping with a married man. However, it is important that each is rebuked. My posts on this thread stems from the fact that Pastor Biodun is a pastor and needs to be admonished and rightly so.

all you wrote above would be appropriate if pastor biodun is guilty. since you don't know for sure(beyond any reasonable doubt), i put it to you that your criticism of pastor biodun is misplaced.

Fabville: So, are you saying the Roma game was 4-3-3? This is purely a fluid 4-5-1 which changes to 4-2-3-1 when going forward. The arrows simply imply that Rooney and Park have to run down the byline before crossing the ball in for Ronaldo.

Some forum members have said it several times this arguments came up that we played 4-4-2 in the final against Chelsea but you have always failed to agree.

Read more about SAF's formations http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/skillsandtactics/a/The-Manchester-United-Formation.htm

that's the way i remembered the CL final in 2008 - it was strictly 4-4-2 vs chelsea's 4-3-3. fergie intentionally pitched ronaldo against chelsea's makeshift right back(essien) to gain advantage of chelsea's weakness at the back - and it was no surprise our goal came from there.

the fact is - united played different formations between 2006 & 2009 and 4-4-2 was the most used formation. yes, in some tough away fixtures especially in europe, carlos queiroz opted for 3 midfielders but 4-4-2 was the most prevalent tactical approach that season even till 08/09 when we signed berbatov!

zezeny: Mr Coogar, I must confess out of every comments u have made, u really disappointed me with dis particuar one. Although, I never posted but I've been following d thread right from page one. U av not been to UI before I guess, Atleast based on ur comment, why shud u make such bad remark about d school. I've been in UI for sometimes now and I can vividly tell u dat there is no cult activity in d campus. Students move at any time dey like and can go to any area in d campus. Nobody fights unnecessarily and u are free to talk to anybody as u like without any implication. I wonder where and how u got ur own story and testimony about UI. I'm sure u did not hear d skul where cultist openly solicite for membership properly, but certainly not the University of Ibadan. UI is one of the most peaceful school in Nigeria. Students are secured both within and outside d campus. Pls, get ur facts right next time and stop destroying d integrity and prestige of a peaceful and good school like UI. Thanks!!

you probably got admitted into the school last week cos every man & his dog know UI is a haven of cultists. isn't UI the headquarters of eiye confraternity? eiye was actually founded in azikwe hall as far back as the 60s. from mellanby to tedder, kuti to independence, and so on and so forth.

@others please, don't get a bad impression about UI, u may ask somebody in and around d campus about dis and I'm assuring u again dat d same response I gave u is wot u will hear from dem as long as dey are familier with d school.

obviously, if you are talking about the last few years, things might have changed. however, as at the time i visited this school, what i saw was disturbing. you can deny as you wish but the facts are stacked against you.

i prefer eric djemba-djemba....

Lilboots: Mr Coogar, funny how you are staunchly defending Pastor Biodun . The first issue you raised was that COZA members are not interested in this matter. Question is, are you a COZA member? If you are, it is understandable that your answers/ quotes are partisan and in favour of the said pastor.

i am not a member of COZA. i don't even know pastor biodun from eden. however, i am baffled at the way nigerians are easily sold over any nonsense written on the internet. i mean - the story is true because ese said so? where's the evidence?

However, my interest stems from being a Christain first and foremost. Is COZA a Christian church ? If it is and by virtue that it is said that the 'Body of Christ' is one, all this drama happening is of interest to me and to other Christians. And should you not know, Pastor Biodun as a Pastor in his church is accountable to me and other christains (COZA members inclusive).

ese walters is a church worker - a born again christian and a bible believer. by the virtue of the "body of christ" is one, she's also accountable to you. look for email, advise her, tutor her, soothe her and please appeal to her to release the evidence she's withholding. you & i want the truth. ese is the claimant - she must have had some evidence to come out publicly. let her provide it so we can get to the bottom of this matter.

All the professions I mentioned in my earlier text (i.e teachers, Doctors and even Priests) do have a code of conduct by which they should live and work by and I believe a Pastor (no matter the denomination) should have theirs. It is immaterial at this point whether Ese was a COZA member or not. But the crux of the matter was that a married Pastor Biodun erred by allegedly committing adultery with Ese. It was against his code of conduct no matter how you looked at it. The issue of bringing up a pattern of past behaviour is because it is an indication of a person's mode of behaviour.

i know for sure prophet kayode williams was a notorious armed robber before he met christ. is it not convenient for me to accuse him he's the kingpin of armed robbers in nigeria? after all, his criminal record is prolific in the world of armed robbery and it shows his mode of behaviour. even a layman would tell you that is not a credible evidence - that pastor biodun has erred before does not necessarily mean he erred with ese. each case should be judged & assessed on it's own merits

In England, most people in a position of trust have a background check run on them and it is decided whether or not a person is suitable for a certain position. If by the OP post, it was established that he had several 'conquests' whilst a Pastor of COZA in Illorin, then of course his position as a respected Man of God becomes questionable.

except that the church is not run based on someone's history. once he's given his life to christ, his past becomes irrelevant. then again, where was it established that he was a serial fornicator as a pastor in ilorin? where are the evidences? are you really a christian? the christians i know don't kowtow hearsays and beer parlour gists - they seek the truth!

It is illogical to think that men in position should not or never be questioned. It is not a question of bringing someone down. This mentality of staunchly defending 'the indefendable' is becoming laughable. If Ese was incorrect, what about others? Please, any well meaning Nigerian can see right through your posts. The more you make them logical, the better.

whoever said men in position should have immunity...
when ese provides a damning evidence that proves pastor biodun is guilty, you can put him against the wall then and have him shot! without the evidence, i am afraid, you are just pissing in the wind. i refuse to join you people & your herd mentality....

what kind of christians judge a one-sided story?

maybe nigerian criminals would stop the kidnapping and ritualism with this new way of making money.