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elampiro: 1. If Ronaldo and Rooney didn't play our match against City in 2007 both were on fire, how do you expect us to win? Weakness in one department affects the whole team.

this is a weak argument - if rooney/ronaldo didn't play, it can only blunt the attack, it should not make us lose. had the match ended 0-0, you might have a point, but we lost with hargreaves on the pitch. so your lies have been exposed.

2. Hargreaves did not play in the flank in 2008 CL final, he only occasionally ran there. He was on the right sdie of the midfield, not as a winger or an attacker. We have discuss this here before extensively.

even your image clearly shows 4-4-2. hargreaves wasn't a central midfielder. he played ahead of wes brown and your image clearly shows he's nearer the touchline than scholes and carrick.

3. You keep shouting lies lies for what you don't understand. Do you think by shouting lies you will be able to frustrate me in the argument?
Even Rooney was aksed to track back to help lazy Carrick in Moscow.

but your lies have been exposed. you first said hargreaves was a central midfielder, now you are saying he occasionally ran there. why would fergie instruct a defensive midfielder to occasionally run into the right wing? have you ever seen carrick run occasionally to the right flank?

elampiro - you lie for a living....

yinkaGreen: i dont understand how simple topics always end up in curses , arguments and cyberwar. smh. it just shows how very Nigerian we all are. Everyone trying to shove each other's opinion down their throats. Well, good thing we all agree that the Embassy at Canada isnt anything to write home about. fini!

there's no nigerian embassy you can write home about. they all operate like suya joint. they all have useless staff, useless managers.

afrodoc: elampiro, hargreaves played on the right side of midfield that day

i doubt it - he played in the middle. scholes played on the right.

elampiro: What is the lie? Are you saying Hargreaves was not taken off before Portsmouth scored?

you lie always.....

Secondly, when United lost at City in August 2007, Ronaldo and Rooney didn't play as they were still nursing injuries. Then in the return leg at Old Trafford, Rooney didn't play and Hargreaves did not come on until 73rd minute because he was recovery from injury.

so ronaldo & rooney was the reason our midfield was breached? do the 2 of them play in the midfield? why should their absence leave a hole in the midfield when they are mainly strikers? you should never go near a lie detector machine - you would blow it.

Thirdly, a team that won UCL and EPL is not expected to go a season unbeaten. What was important was winning those trophies and telling our major title rivals that we could beat them. This we did perfectly well, but for ill luck we could have won a trable that year.

ill-luck? losing to a relegation-bound team was ill-luck? why do you lie for a living?

It is the quality football I am asking for now, not the type we shadow mark opponents from start to finish. I am ashamed the way Chelsea and Man City made us looked ordinary in the last two seasons. Their major advantage over us is the midfield, and it is due to the fact we allow them utilize the ball unchallenged. United may have won the league but it doesn't mean our midfield is something to be proud of.

it was something to be very proud of - united won the league like it was a stroll in the park. their pole position on the league table was not challenged for 7 months. they led the league from october to may. it was carrick's debut season and he was outstanding throughout with scholes!

I don't want to go into that closed chapter of Anderson and Cleverly you are trying to re-open.

good decision, you lost the last time you went near it.

Kagawa was among those who were poor in Goodison Park when Fellani useless our midfield. After Kagawa appeared to have had a good preseason, he failed in his first real test.

kagawa was our best player on the day. he created 4 good chances for rooney and others, they all failed to utilise the chances created.

In the return leg with Everton, it was Phil Jones who took care of Fellaini, not any Carrick and Cleverly. Did you watch the match at all?

it seems you are suffering from the pink eye. carrick & cleverley started the match. they both battered fellaini to a pulp and we were leading 2-0 before halftime. carrick went out in the 53rd minute for jones. the job was done before phil jones came on.

Hageaves played midfield in Moscow. It was Carrick, Scholes and Hargreaves. How do you watch your football self?

you lie for a living. they would practically have to deliver you spiritually to stop lying. every man & his dog know united played 4-4-2 against chelsea in moscow. where did you see hargreaves in the central midfield?


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only elampiro saw hargreaves as a midfielder in moscow.

Secondly, the Barcelona midfield and our are not the same at all. Barca midfield players are all tougher than our collectively and individually. You should always look for the right mix. 1999, there you go again, I knew it was a matter of time before you quote 1956.

xavi, iniesta and busquets are tougher than united's midfield? of course, they are all hatchet men. they are as tough as nails too. you lie for a living, you should stop lying and embrace facts in your arguments.

[quote author=Omni_Sparrow]You don't have to prove that you are stüpid. I'm convinced. Get a life.[/quote]you know i could have mistaken you for someone very smart if you had taped your mouth shut. opening it just confirmed you are a dolt. when stüpity got pregnant for idiocy, you were their love child.

slimyem: Won't you also predict that Ese could also have surgery and change her face since her pictures are all over www since its that simple to change one identity and leave all behind?

she only needs to change her name - if you see her at the bus stop tomorrow, i can bet you won't recognise her.

Nobody just wakes up one day and cooks up such story without reason. There's cause and effect. You know it!! Whether those reasons are genuine,understandable or just vengeful is a different thing altogether.

did you read the link i sent to you? how would you describe what that chic did to the school cleaner? didn't she just wake up to cook up lies against him? all because she needed more time to complete her school assignment.

lmao @ the bolded.
Who or what's' going to stop it? Humans(men against women and vice versa) have being lying against each other since the beginning of time and so it shall be now and forever. Please rest.

it will stop with the sheer amount of attacks ese has gotten. if she's genuinely taken advantage of, let her provide her evidence. she claims to be a lawyer - she's a disgrace to that noble profession if she thinks what she wrote can pass as her evidence.

Nashville: Point is that you are almost 100% certain he is innocent. If Pastor Biodun were guilty, he would not wait for pictures, documents etc to be produced. He will quickly try to settle with Efe before those documents come out. Settling will be his best interest. If pastor Biodun were innocent then there will never be documents, pictures etc, so he would come out and challenge Efe to produce such. The fact that he is not challenging Efe suggest there might be proof and his advisers are trying to know what kind of proof there is.

it seems you are not following this incident. ese has reported to another pastor before going to the media. this pastor has mediated for them. if the pastor is guilty like you are suggesting, he had all the time to have paid her off or keep her silent. ese wasn't satisfied with the way pastor flo carried out the mediating privately and she decided to go public.....

There have been several of such allegations in the past, Odulele, Eddie Long etc, they usually start with denial/silence then acceptance/settlement. Unfortunately the silence here is following the Odulele trend. I hope for the body of Christ this is false but my gut tells me something happened.

that's my problem with you - you are using odulele's case to predict what happened here. each case should be judged on it's own merits. odulele's case is odulele's case, don't draw parallels with pastor biodun's case. only ese can solve this case - her card was used to offset some of the hotel bills, she should provide her card statement if she means business.

afrodoc: ONE GOAL IN A THOUSAND MINUTES SAYS A WHOLE LOT
can u help us with his assist stats this year if u would be so kind?

one goal a season doesn't say anything - ba has 2 goals in 900 mins.

slimyem: Women lie blatantly but this isn't blatant. Potiphar's wife was a powerful man's wife. She was easily believed because of her status. Who would believe a houseboy over Oga's wife?
You can see through the story. The details are too real to tag as blatant lies!

What alternative would you have people liken to this case? Similar situations...similar experience go together or don't you think?

people of higher status are easy targets too as far as smeared reputation is concerned. in this case, a no-mark, nameless individual with nothing to lose has accused a pastor that has got everything to lose. a hotel maid lied blatantly against the director of IMF some few years ago in new york - the director lost his job as a result. why didn't people believe the MD of a big organisation like IMF over a hotel cleaner? nameless people have nothing to lose.

Nashville: Coogar, first let's reduce the insults and examine the facts. If this story was complete fiction, it would have been denied immediately. If Pastor never met Efe in London and Efe was just making up stuff, the whole thing would have been crushed already. So I can tell you it is very likely something happened in London. What and how it happened is what we need to find out.

like i have told you several times, ese should produce the evidence. i am not even talking about nüde pictures or audio stuff here. things like hotel invoice, credit card statement, phone logs, etc would go a long way. the burden of proof lies with ese. the pastor doesn't have to deny or make any comment - he's not going to be believed if he makes any comment.

I do not believe Efe 100% neither do I think she was a victim of abuse. There were clear holes in her story for sure but one thing is that her story is not entirely fiction, if not, it would have been vehimently denied already. The reality is that right now, COZA is trying to get the truth from Pastor Biodun and then based on that, they would come out with a statement that will cause minimal disruption to COZA and other churches. I bet you other churches will be affected if COZA does not handle this one correctly, so they have to be careful. Some of the churches have image makers, brand experts, communication experts, so the right message has to be said. And as I said before, dont be surprised if you hear this matter has been settled and you dont hear of Efe's story anymore.

if ese wants people to believe her tales by moonlight, she should provide evidence. it's so simple. if i were in pastor biodun's shoes, i won't utter a word until documents, images, audio/video files have been produced by the woman accusing me of sëxual immorality. why feed a troll? why should i allow myself to be distracted?

But one thing I am almost sure of is that something happened in London. We will soon have more details.

afrodoc: subtract penalties from their records,which of them has an average of ONE GOAL in ONE THOUSAND MINUTES?

how many assists has he got? answer that question first....a striker with 1 goal + 9 assists cannot be rated the same with a striker with 1 goal + 0 assist if they both copped 1000 mins. the former has directly contributed to 10 goals, the latter has contributed to just 1 goal.

slimyem: then stop defending him until you hear his side or just be neutral... though I know you know somewhere in your heart that Ese's story isn't fabricated. There just might be some salt and pepper to it here and there.

so you have never heard of women lying blatantly against men? some people must have thought portiphar's wife was also telling the truth when she lied against joseph, not so?

the problem i have is the fact that people are likening their own personal experience to this. i am not saying incidents like this cannot happen - but don't just assume because it's happened elsewhere before in nigeria then it must have happened in this particular case.

that kind of reasoning is very obtuse.....

afrodoc: he has done so superbly well he has scored ONE GOAL in the last ONE THOUSAND MINUTES of EPL football

who cares about that? how many assists has he had since then? look around the premier league....benteke takes penalties for villa, soldado for spurs, van persie for man utd. soldado's 2 goals this season has been from pens, 2 of benteke's 3 goals this season were from pens.....if they are chelsea players, soldado would have nothing, benteke would have 1 goal in 3 games.

i can't blame torres - lampard should let nando take penalty kicks.

shejane: @coogar, pls I wil advise u 2 let go of dis mata cos pple wil nt kw d diff btw u nd frosbel wen u argue much wt him. Let frosbel wtout sin pls throw d 1st stone while odas follow suit. Tanx

i have left frosbel alone - i hope he finds peace with himself. he hates nigerian christians with a passion and if he's not careful, his anger towards christians would eventually consume & destroy him.

slimyem: Would your stance change if you hear the pastor's side of the story and he confirms the accusations are true?

of course....
if he confesses he actually had sex with ese walters, then my stance would change as they are both guilty of an immoral act. the pastor should have avoided such lewd acts and ese shouldn't have allowed herself to bed a married man, moreso her pastor.

afrodoc: he is in bottom 3 of Chelsea's Abramovic era in 2 different ways of measuring his PRIMARY objective (scoring goals) while he is decent at a secondary objective (assists). he was not brought for that amount of money to be having the 2nd worst minute to goal ratio and the 3rd worst game to goal ratio in the last 10years while providing just 1 assist almost every 300 minutes.
i think FERNANDO TORRES is d one dt needs perspective

i knew you would be dishonest in your analysis.
creativity = goals + assists, a more balanced analysis would be the addition of goals + assists. torres' 15 goals + 18 assists means he has contributed to 33 league goals at chelsea. whether it's an assist or a goal, they are fall under the umbrella of creativity. you cannot tell me a striker that scored 5 goals and 0 assist has the same output as the one that scored 5 goals + 15 assists if they copped the same number of minutes under their belt. torres won the golden boot in euro 2012 because of the extra assist he had more than his counterparts that had the same number of goals as him.

assists are as important as goals....

103.04 mins/c(drogba)
139.60 mins/c(anelka)

128.50 mins/c(crespo)
161.37 mins/c(torres)

165.25 mins/c(sturridge)
120.10 mins/c(mutu)

188.00 mins/c(kezman)
233.33 mins/c(pizarro)

310.67 mins/c(demba ba)
206.10 mins/c(lukaku)

torres is the 4th best striker in chelsea since the roman era. considering the fact that he does not take set-pieces and 90% of his league goals have been from open play, he's done well for himself. matter of fact, he's done superbly well!

i thought you would be fair enough to add goals + assists(creativity). if the chelsea system functions very well, why should torres be copping 18 assists as a centre forward? he's neither a van persie nor a rooney that takes set-pieces like corners or freekicks.

biko, get some perspective....

afrodoc: really? you do know that if the stats were in minutes Torres who came in as a 50 million player and starts more often than not would fare even worse than Mutu,Kezman,Sturridge,Kalou and all the players before him who were never really guaranteed starters and played lots of times as subs

i have the full stats....

100 goals + 62 assists, 16693 mins(drogba)
38 goals + 29 assists, 9353 mins(anelka)

20 goals + 2 assists, 2827 mins(crespo)
15 goals + 18 assists, 5325 mins(torres)

13 goals + 4 assists, 2809 mins(sturridge)
6 goals + 9 assists, 1801 mins(mutu)

4 goals + 0 assists, 752 mins(kezman)
2 goals + 1 assist, 700 mins(pizarro)

2 goals + 1 assist, 932 mins(demba ba)
0 goals + 1 assist, 206 mins(lukaku)

surely, demba ba has been the most worthless striker in the history of chelsea fc.

afrodoc: Torres record in the EPL for Chelsea is a goal every 5.5 matches

Anelka's record is a goal every 3 matches

Drogba's record is a goal every 2.26 matches

Sheva's record was a goal every 5.2 matches

Adrian Mutu was a goal every 4.5 matches

Crespo was a goal every 2.45 matches

even Kalou who rarely played centrally scored a goal in every 4.3 matches

and STURRIDGE a goal every 3 matches

the only Chelsea strikers with worse scoring average than Torres in d last 10yrs are his fellow failures Kezman and Demba Ba
Drogba,Anelka and Crespo had double digit scoring seasons within their first 2 seasons and also posted a decent average overall ,one cant call them failures, especially the DROG

firstly, this is a fraudulent way of computing statistics. i deal with minutes, not number of matches. a striker that copped 90 mins & the striker that played for 5 secs have both played one match. so your statistics is misleading.

frosbel: I just sit and read your replies and say wow ! , the standards of Christian behaviour have fallen to a new low.

here we go again with frosbel's holier than thou attitude - who are you fooling? you are a wolf in pig clothing.

Quit tagging yourself with the name of Christ, it is a disgrace to even consider such a possibility.
Repent coogar before it is too late !!

this fool really wants to turn christianity into his father's compound. everyone else isn't a christian but you. a thorough internet search of your name now would reveal you are a neighbourhood predator that has made it to crimestopper about 12 times.

frosbel: You defend this man as if your life depended on it, are you him or part of this scam ?

of course, i am him - that goes the simple-mindedness of an average nigerian. it must be the acute poverty in the land. there's a direct relationship between intelligence and malnourishment.

frosbel, feed your children well so they do not grow up with perforated braincells like their father.

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Sentiment is a big issue, going against an opinion u opined and gave ur all is not really easy.

Demba havent being terrific no doubt, but his presence is felt more in our games than Nando - The latter Is Jxt a damn unpredictable british weather.

Now, the System is neither the duo's misfortune.[/color]

demba ba has only scored 2 league goals in 900+ minutes for chelsea. ba puts the u in useless.

coogar: who has been successful for chelsea in the last 10 years as a striker?

kezman? mutu? crespo? forsell? carlton cole?

OAM4J: I am not that religious but I know well enough that there is a way to go about matters like this that is not the way of the world.

If Ese is a true Christian, she will know well enough that the place to confess is not on an internet blog. There is absolutely nothing to gain confessing on a public domain than to breed gossips and slanders both on Efe, the pastor and the church. Even if all she said are true, the public will not help her, the pastor or the church to get better. Or can somebody tell me one advantage of her public confession besides pulling down the pastor and seeking more people to help her course.

I dont expect the pastor to play the same tune with her in the public gallery. He owes the public no explanation. He only owes God, his wife and the leadership of his church explanations. These are the only people that have the right to scold him and help him and Ese to get better.

David said in his prayers (Ps 51) to God after committing adultery and murder, "Unto you and unto you alone have I sinned and done this evil in thy sight", he didn't pray to the public or confessed to the public, only prophet Nathan and God.

Also the punishment of God's servants are not in the hand of the public but in the hand of God which can also be administered by Church leadership. God said, unto me they stand or fall.

Finally, I know the Church is not a gathering of saints waiting for rapture, but a spiritual clinic for all that want to get better; and from the least member to the most anointed pastor are all work in progress. I only pity those who see pastors as saints and semi-God.

I expected Ese and the Christians here to know all these, but the arguments I see here say otherwise.

with laboratory rëtards like frosbel & boss13 as nigeria's future leaders, the country is doomed. they were both raised and taught the jungle justice mentality. fools who judge on hearsays without evidence are not meant to be associating with sane people.

Boss13: Your comment irritates me. Your pastor's action speaks for itself. If you are innocent, you would let the world know. Do you know what your stup¡d pastor told people as dumb as you. I am consulting with first world govt officials.

your irritation means nothing to me - remain pissed for the rest of your life.

I will compare your level of reasoning to my dog if you will accept such comments from your pastor. Well I'm so sorry, I am too expose to worship men like myself.

you are not exposed - you have displayed the traits of a stark illiterate on this thread. your gut feelings told you the pastor was guilty - based on a one sided story? even if you were born brain dead, some things should not be spewed by an adult.

I thought you would explain with good reasons why you pastor is yet to deny the allegations. But never.

why should he respond to a jezebel? light & darkness does not coincide. engage the gear of your brain cells. silence is not guilt neither is responding to such claim means he's innocent. you have the intelligence of an unborn foetus!

Before I engage you properly, what do you do for a living sef? You sound like a church worker to me.

only a mental-indigent can write the above. it turned out your dog is far more intelligent than you are. your brain power is the same as that of a pubic louse.

afrodoc: you are spot on this time. Demba Ba AND Torres have BOTH been useless

who has been successful for chelsea in the last 10 years as a striker?

El Guapo: ^^ [color=#0066ff]Believe It [/color]

oil bunkerer ibime, camel dayokanu, peacock sephia and others used to engage me in fierce arguments that torres was the problem. ibime was practically sucking demba ba's cöck in january so it's unbelievable that someone would say demba ba has been useless for chelsea.

chrisley024: Can we play City now before Kompany's return? Very poor substitution from Pele.

elampiro would still tell you joe hart gives him confidence than de gea. that's 2 different goals he conceded where the ball was delivered into his 6-yard box.

Boss13: I am not one of the nairalanders who come here to create a false impression, a figment of an imaginary life. If you give jobs, you are either in the recruitment agency or an entrepreneur. However, if I ask you for the name of your company, you would not provide it because it is not true.

If you claim not to know about these immoral practise either in the workplace or in churches then you are in denial. I know and I have seen and I want you to experience the same so you will feel the same pain Ese is feeling right now.

you keep proving you function on a negative integer IQ. no one is saying sex attacks are not common in nigeria. i'm actually one of the few members on this forum who says nigeria has a rapë culture but does that make pastor biodun guilty?

the sins of others should not be used to make pastor biodun a scapegoat. take a chill pill, beg ese to provide evidence before you stout foaming in the mouth. you are an adult, act your age!!

spicy v: oh yes! She suffered from "selective amnesia" as a result of the longevity of the trance she fell into.

she fell into trance for 7 consecutive days. the trance has eroded her memory.

Urine: You can do better than this mate.

boss13 is a tool......
the amount of debris coming out of his mouth could have sunk the titanic. his gut feelings told him the story is true.

gut feelings?