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OgaNightmare:
While participating in my online course for NewTestament Theology I came to discover that most of the things the GB couldn't explain where already published and established.
I come to think of the likes of Albert Barnes he didn't claim any divine revelation just a regular Bible Scholar. But for a test take Barnes commentary of 1832 and compare with any JW commentary like the Finish Mystery you'll be mystified as to why the GB takes joy in stupidity.
The words of Jude are enough as he said:
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”. (KJV).
The Bible scholar, Remigiusz Popowski gave the following comment to that verse: „The Holy Spirit signs here that the revelation of the New Covenant was given in fullness and once for all by Jesus Christ to the Apostles. That revelation must not be changed and nothing can be added to it. There is no other, secret revelation given to someone besides the Apostles. All the Christians in the apostolic times were called the saints.”

****While the spirit will lead the believer to truth by the indwelling of the Spirit.
However, the Holy Spirit will not give any new revelation.

#When I started my study, I came to see that the so-called Scholars of Christendom were actually those who presented the truth of God's word not the GB.

At the Bolded, that was exactly my observation as well. How is it that Biblical understanding in JW is very fickle and unstable? It is because they are still very backward when it comes to the Bible. You don't see this kind of instability in other denominations. Christendom as a whole already had many doctrines set. It took JW many years since their inception to know that the Hour and the day of Jesus coming/The End, no one knows. Yet, they still claim he came in 1914. They are very backward. It wasn't until I started to read the Bible alone before I realised this. Only ignorant people are impressed with JWs and these are their targets when they go to preach.

OgaNightmare:
The worst is that JW's accept that they have not been "declared righteous" it's is until after the 1000yrs
The say it's only 144,000 that are declared righteous
Then they rest have to endure to the end even after hours of preaching and regular pioneering and they die. Then after resurrection they are not perfect but wait for another 1000years.......I give up

Before 2030 we might see another dissident movement like the 80's.

Yes. JWs don't believe they have been declared righteous. Why didn't Watchtower just make JW a Cult for the Anointed only? Because they are the only ones favored in this so called Paradise. They get to relax in Heaven while regular JWs work their ass off Preaching under sun and rain again in Paradise and still suffer from Evil doers antics. and Perfection will be gradual.

I was saying it to myself that this their Paradise is a Continuation of life we have now which makes the whole Paradise doctrine a Fraud. Their Paradise they are working for is not working out the way they want it. Eyah! Watchtower say they must continue working in Paradise. The Anointed as their Mediator will dictate to them where they live. Meetings and field service continues. Typical Cult. Your Best isn't good enough All the Preaching they did before Armaggedon is a waste because evil people will be given 2nd chances o. So, why are they Preaching now? And they must do it for 1,000 years else it is eraser Jehovah will use to clean off their names from the Book of life. Poor JWs. Chai!

Cults! You will always find Underage trafficking and Child Sexual Abuse in Cults. How is it that people join these Cults without knowing these things? Or perhaps they join to showcase their sick pedophilic desires. Disgusting!

In light of this past Sunday Watchtower study with their confusing New light of the Paradise looking more like the world we are living in today, I had to post these pics below to make me laugh some more.

OLAADEGBU:
Polygamist had 20 wives as young as 9 including his own daughter

Beyond disgusting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11499917/Bentley-driving-polygamist-20-wives-young-nine-FBI-alleges.html

Disgusting! God forbid! Cult!

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More news from JW Vs Their Spanish victims. PIMOs are becoming more outspoken now. Nice one.

pinkylovely:
Maybe up to 3 years, I believe. But it had really been a gradual process. And yes, you are right about the pandemic-ish.

It is gradual indeed. Mine started that way but I was hopping from PIMI to PIMQ interchangeably since my teens. Even while I was a Teenager, a lot of things didn't make sense to me. I pushed my doubts aside for years until I heard about the Child Sexual Abuse cases which gave me the courage to research this Cult and here I am now, a proud Whistle blower.

Once again, welcome and feel free to share your thoughts with us whenever a topic presents the opportunity.

OgaNightmare:
Spot on, I was preparing a rebuttal for that particular study article.
It shows how the GB go "beyond the things that are written it was filled with assumptions and speculations and outright manipulation of scripture.
The funniest thing is when the showed a JW teaching the recsurected ones their faulty interpretation of Daniel's prophecy. (Wow! Just wow!)
Forgetting that Paul said that what we have now is partial knowledge "but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away" but JW's claim to know all

In conclusion I still echo the sentiment's of Paul whenever I see them pushing ahead against the true gospel of Christ, trying to know the future when the have no absolute revelation fro the great God himself:
But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him"
(1Cor 2:9 NWT)

I don't even know where to start with this their New Light. But the moment they mentioned Daniel 12, my mind went to a Testimony of a Freemason JW who was a Spirit Channeler for the Governing body. She said she Channelled Daniel chapter 11 and 12. Therefore, anything you hear from Watchtower based on those Bible chapters are products of Spirit Channelling. So, seeing the whole Watchtower study full of confusion and contradictions and how they tied in Daniel into it is giving strong Spirit Channelling.

But what is making me laugh is the fact that they read other verses in Revelation but skipped Chapter 20 vs 5. If they had read that verse before writing the Watchtower they studied on Sunday, they would never have come up with their confusing New light. And this proves that Watchtower loves speculating a lot. The JW Cult was built on speculations and Prophecies since they have admitted that they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. They love dates. Since they can't come up with prophecies, they just push their obsession with speculations into coming up with fantasies upon fantasies. Nowhere in the book of Revelation will you see anything like Preaching work campaign during the 1,000 year reign. Nothing about JWs teaching people of old. What is it that you want to teach people of old that they don't already know? What kind of delusion is this? Are they saying that God's people back then Know nothing about God and Jesus? Seeing all these delusions tells you that the Governing body are not mentally okay at all.

Do JWs even know the implication of being on earth during the 1000 year reign? Do they know that the rest of dead didn't come to life until after the thousand years? These people don't know anything if only they will just drop all Watchtower publications and just read the Bible alone.

After the 1,000 year reign comes Judgement of the Unrighteous. Watchtower is saying after they are resurrected, people will still do evil. Perfect people will still sin. Perfection is not instant so Blind, deaf, dumb, people etc will still be so. Wicked people will still be resurrected to do evil again. This their Paradise on earth is no longer looking like Paradise again. Their Paradise is the same world we are living in now. These people are Charlatans and Jokers! How are JWs not seeing the fukkery? What? And the Watchtower study made so many confused. If you go to exjw reddit, people are posting about the reactions they are observing from that Watchtower study. Some JWs were disappointed. A lot of them were confused. They were saying some JWs are beginning to say that if the wicked will be resurrected and still be given a chance in the New world, why on earth are they bothering themselves to preach now? That is a very good question. Some said why are they Preaching for 1,000 years again while they are Preaching now? Won't they rest? Their Paradise don change!

pinkylovely:
Thanks so much. Sincerely appreciated. God will see me through.

He will. He never fails.

How long have you been PIMO? The Pandemic has woken up a lot of JWs.

pinkylovely:
Exactly. I agree to all you've said. Can't wait to be physically out because it's emotionally draining already. Well, I still attend the meetings regularly when I visit home. I still report for field service as well. But I barely go out for the field service organized by the congregation.

At the bolded, Very good. You cannot be awake and do the bolded. It will affect you psychologically. Keep at it. Don't worry, It will pass. You just need a thick skin. And remember, the only power they have over you is the one you give to them. Take away that power by researching the Cult. Do a very deep research.

pinkylovely:
To start with, I'm aware that this will spark some negative reactions from JW PIMIs but please if you are a strong member of the JW denomination, avoid being part of this discussion.

Just in case you are wondering, PIMO is an abbreviation for Physically In Mentally Out. At this point in my life, I've realized a lot of wrongs about the JW denomination and their belief system. From the criticisms with going for higher forms of education, the kicking against blood transfusion (but accpetance of blood fractions�), the idea that the GB are meant to 'control' us since they are the only channel in which God passes through, the outright discrimination against other denominations with the belief that they all are destined for destruction, down to the disfellowship arrangement for people who question the belief system! All of these makes me see that a lot about the denominational belief system is faulty.

But as most PIMOs, I am at this point FORCED to keep being part of the JW denomination especially because I'm not completely independent at the moment. It has been a battle. I have been HEAVILY criticized for voicing out what has been weighing my heart all these while.

And as a human, chances are, I feel down sometimes. I'm just looking to reach out to any other PIMOs here. Thanks for reading up to this point.

I am POMO. First of all, Congratulations on knowing The Truth about 'The Truth'. Your eyes are now open and trust me, there is a deep rabbit hole to go through as you continue to research this Cult. Don't stop researching. You will be amazed at what you will find. You have seen why JWs are always accused of twisting the Bible and turning it upside down. When I Was still in, I never understood that accusation. But when I woke up, all the scales fell from my eyes and I began to see everything clearly. I myself have stopped using the NWT and ever since I did that, the Bible began to make more sense to me as long as I maintained reading the Bible alone.


It is not easy to be a PIMO in this Cult. It is like living a double life. And I have seen many JWs in this situation. Some only attend conventions or Memorial and after that you won't see them again. But it is part of the reasons why JWs are regarded as a Cult. Leaving isn't easy when your whole family is PIMI and when you still are dependent. Leaving is easier once you change location and become independent. Some change congregation and fade away to oblivion.

One advice I would give to you is, I know how much you really want to express your thoughts and findings you must have made about the religion. But try as much as you can to avoid discussing your doubts with PIMIS. It never ends well and will bring undue attention and pressure onto you that will affect you psychologically. The word 'Apostate' will be flying around you and the Elders will have to keep an eye on you. See? This is why JW is a Cult. If you need an avenue to vent, you could go to ExJw reddit. There are many PIMOS there. Here in Nairaland, there are posts made where you are free to discuss with people like us. PIMOs that eventually became POMOs had to do it the slow and steady way. Although, there are some bold people out there who just leave without a word. Depending on your circumstances, play along but make sure you do it to the barest minimum.

How active are you? Do you still report for field service?

pinkylovely:
The truth is, most JWs are confused. They have no idea if they are christians or not. Lol. They claim to be 'true christians' but don't classify themselves as belonging to Christendom which is the Christian religion.

Very confused people. They are presently being taught confusing doctrines that contradict themselves as we speak. Today being Sunday, I just looked at the Watchtower magazine they studied today and laughed because one single Bible verse as shown in the below pic will totally destroy everything they learnt in the Kingdom hall today. Everything they learnt today were imaginations upon imaginations that cannot be found in the Bible. They don't like reading certain Bible verses.

They love to redefine English words that we already know the meaning just so that they can make sense of their demonic doctrines. They say they are Not part of Christendom but Christendom is the whole of Christianity. Watchtower as Freemasons have deceived all of them to denounce Christianity and speak with pride that they are Non Christians without even knowing what they are doing. That kind of Brainwashing is Demonic. Demons even agree with their doctrines, that's how bad and dangerous their doctrines are. They use Occultic means to get their doctrines and their leaders like to pick doctrines from Occultic books to teach JWs. It is a good thing they get rejected when they go out to preach because Jesus and Almighty God exposed them in the Bible. Followers of Christ need to stay away from them because Satan owns that Cult.

Janosky:
LYING IBERIBEISTS,@ 1 Peter 3:18 was Jesus given a vision of heaven?

This DUBIOUS IBERIBEISTS, where is Greek 2227 "Made Alive" in your quote of Revelation 4:4?

Did your own Revelation 4:4 said "John was put to death in the flesh" Greek 2289?

This Silly Oga,@ Revelation 4:4,why would John be a spirit in heaven when he was not put to death in the flesh?



Revelation 4:4, John was given a vision of heaven as if he was there, the same manner as if "you are there " in the crowd viewing live EPL match.
These empty dimwits exposing their IBERIBEISM .

Janosky with your Maggot infested brain, try to stop smoking that igbo that makes you type rubbish without reading the comment you are quoting. You are mentally diseased! Look at the Bible verses below. It is actually John in the book of Revelations that was in the Spirit. I am sure your eyes will see double and you will become more confused seeing these verses since you JWs hardly read them. You only read verses that Watchtower dictates to you. Satan's Witnesses.

Janosky:
Desperate attempt to divert attention because his IBERIBEISM was illuminated on this forum

Ask this Igbo smoker Janosky why this Bible verse with the phrase underlined exists in his Bible yet they teach something else in their Kingdom hall as the Antichrists that they are. Instead of answering you, he will go and smoke another joint of Igbo then reply with the words IBERIBEISM and Gibberish all over his comment. You will be doubting that you are chatting with a human.

Janosky:
Courz IBERIBEIST TWISTING & LYING didn't begin today.

There are great crowd of myriads of heavenly spirits giving worship and glory to the God Almighty, Revelation 19:1 & Psalm 89:5-7, spirits in heaven.

Great crowd of Revelation 7:14 are humans "out of every tribe, nations and languages of the earth."
You empty IBERIBEISTS,carry your GIBBERISH outta this thread.

I knew it that you will stoop this low to redefine what the Great crowd in Rev 19 vs 1 are. You JWs are very predictable and you always show how deceitful you are just like your father Satan in twisting words as if we don't know who the Great crowd really are. This is why people barely listen to your demonic doctrines.

Show me directly from the Bible in that same verse that Rev 19 vs 1 refers to heavenly Spirits. What are those heavenly spirits? Who are they? Show me directly from the Bible that there are two great crowds because That is what you are saying now. So, show me verses. All those verses you plastered all over are useless.

Then tell me, are you saying that one of the 24 Elders lied to John about the True Identity of the Great Crowd? The Great Crowd are described as those who came out of the Great Tribulation from all nations in the world. Are these heavenly spirits as you called them now humans who survived the Great Tribulation?

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Interesting story of how JWs see rejection of being a Ministerial servant as a Sin. You can't just make decisions on your own in this Cult. Everything is about appearances.

Also, the kind of questions they ask with the expectation that you will be truthful. Anybody can lie and be appointed as a Ministerial servant. No wonder they appoint mentally ill people into these positions. I guess this is how the Holy Spirit appoints. No wonder JW males run away from these responsibilities. The rejection rate must be high for them to lack capable hands in the congregation.

OgaNightmare:
"In [the] spirit "(pneumati [Koine Greek])
Courz no need wasting your time, he will still continue to fool himself with useless screenshots.
He's more of a bot....... according to his logic John was transformed to an immaterial being

OgaNightmare:
The guy just speaks out if context, he tries to prove a point but ends up making himself look stupid

Janosky smokes igbo before replying anybody on Nairaland. There are JWs that smoke in secret.

OgaNightmare:
They are going to say that the great crowd there are angels Very silly set of people
When you show them that the ones in Chapter7 serve in God's temple ([naos] ; sanctuary- divine habitation) day and night but they will still deny it and say it's earthly courtyard
The even lied in a particular Watchtower study article in the 80's that (hieron) is the Greek word used at Rev7. People detected the lie and exposed them.
One of the things that woked up Peter Gregerson

At the bolded, that was exactly what a JW told me. He said the Great Crowd are the angels that is why they are many in number. First, he started with A Great crowd is different from The Great Crowd. I said, but A Great crowd is what is mentioned in the verses JWs like to quote in Revelation 7 vs 9 and that is where JWs got The Great Crowd from showing that they are the same. Okay, Show me the differences in the Bible. When he saw that logic didn't work for him, He then lied that he didn't mean that they are different then jumped to Great crowd being Angels. Changing tune. I asked him, does that mean that one of the 24 Elders lied to John in the The book of Revelations, that a Great crowd are actually the people from all corners of the earth that survived the Great Tribulation? He couldn't answer. Okay, show me where a Great Crowd were specifically identified as Angels. He kept mute. I asked him, does that mean the Angels are humans now who were on the earth and went through the Great Tribulation on earth? If all the Angels are on earth, it means they are humans. Which one will be in Heaven? Does that mean there are two separate Great crowds? Does that mean that anywhere you see angels mentioned, it means a Great Crowd? He couldn't say anything. I showed him verses where a Great crowd and angels are mentioned at the same time in the same chapter. I asked him, why are they both mentioned if they are the same? He then ran away with a speed of light.

This proved to me that in order for JWs to defend their doctrines, they need to lie and formulate their own beliefs and fantasies separate from the Bible.

I don't know how Watchtower interprets the verse of the Great Crowd standing in front of the Throne and the lamb as they being on earth. Thank God other translations plainly say In front of the Throne and the Lamb. Another JW was trying to redefine what that means When it is very clear that the Bible is written in simple English. I asked him, If someone is standing in front of you, where is the person? He went into robotic mode and was blabbing rubbish. I kept repeating it again and again, he ran away. But lo and behold, Revelation 19 vs 1 says that the Great crowd are in Heaven right there in their Bible. Isn't it wonderful how simple English can make JWs look stupid? So, no matter how they try to twist the meaning of words, this verse has already trashed their doctrine to nothing. I also noticed that Watchtower never quotes this particular verse and it is obvious why. This is how you know that this Cult is a Fraud.

Quick question based on the 1st comment in the first pic below. Watchtower loves to use sick JWs to make themselves look good when they refuse Blood Transfusion and then die. They showcased children who died from No Blood Transfusion and praised them for standing firm in the Faith. Many JW families have had their share of Blood issues.


How is it that since the inception of this doctrine, there are no reports of Governing body members and other members of the Watchtower hierarchy having issues with Blood? No report of any of them dying because of it with Watchtower using the report for PR? Yet, the regular JWs are having such issues. We hear reports from them only. No publications praising the Governing body members standing firm for the faith. Are the Governing Body and other higher members blessed with perfect health, such that they never had issues with Blood? With all the Governing body members and their families? None of them ever had issues with blood? If there are such issues amongst them, why haven't they thought of publicising it to strengthen the faith of JWs when they see their leaders leading by examples? It certainly feels like they do take Blood secretly.

Very suspicious. This comment below is Spot on.

Rules for you But not for me.

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A very nice video discussing about Jehovah's witnesses secretly taking Blood Transfusion. Satan must be pissed at the fact that he is having less and less blood to suck from JWs. Less human sacrifices. Nice one!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcO98H9xZe0