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Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 7:49pm On Nov 22, 2022
Janosky:
Your IBERIBEISM and delusion have no basis on reality.

Carry your delusion outta here
. grin cheesy
Readers, this is a JW. From the replies, you will know them. grin grin He is angry because their dirty linen is in public and will make their Preaching of demonic doctrines difficult.


They are not Christians. They are a different breed of religion that is Masonic in nature with Occultic symbology and history. There are occurrences of Spiritism in the Cult which is how they get their doctrines of which the JWs are not aware of except a special small group of JWs in their midst. In other words, they are a Freemason Cult disguised as a Christian Religion. They even describe themselves as separate from Christendom by redefining what Christendom means even though we all know Christendom is Christianity as a whole. So, for them to separate themselves from Christendom tells you they are not Christians.

They profess to be followers of Christ but their doctrines tell a different story and Jesus is barely mentioned except when they want to use his life as examples or make some selective quotes from him. Just like Islam, JWs believe Jesus is just a good man sent by God almighty that has qualities to follow. He is less important in their Cult thus qualifying themselves as Non Christian.

The most important personality in the Cult is Jehovah who is equal to their Governing body /Faithful Slave because anything their Governing body say is regarded as Words of Jehovah and if a JW leaves the Cult, they are regarded as leaving Jehovah.

If Jesus's words contradicts their doctrines, JWs will take the words of their Leaders and discard the ones of Jesus. That is how it works in that Cult.

They also deny the sacrifice of Jesus every year as a result of misinterpretation of a Bible verse even though Jesus clearly commanded that the Bread and wine should be consumed in order for one to get everlasting life and be resurrected by him.

They also have many doctrines that contradicts the Bible.

They also have their own Bible which everyone knows is a Mistranslation with many errors and instances of verses tweaked to suit their doctrines. In fact, any religion that is not satisfied with the many translations of the Bible out there and decides to write their own in order to manipulate scriptures is showing sign of being a Cult.

In order for you to get a better understanding of this Cult, read the words in the screenshot below. All of what you see there are exactly how the JWs operate.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 7:35pm On Nov 22, 2022
Janosky:
Courz IBERIBEISM typing GIBBERISH everywhere. grin grin grin
This is all you can say? Janosky with your Maggot infested brain. Read again.

They are not Christians. They are a different breed of religion that is Masonic in nature with Occultic symbology and history. There are occurrences of Spiritism in the Cult which is how they get their doctrines of which the JWs are not aware of except a special small group of JWs in their midst. In other words, they are a Freemason Cult disguised as a Christian Religion. They even describe themselves as separate from Christendom by redefining what Christendom means even though we all know Christendom is Christianity as a whole. So, for them to separate themselves from Christendom tells you they are not Christians.

They profess to be followers of Christ but their doctrines tell a different story and Jesus is barely mentioned except when they want to use his life as examples or make some selective quotes from him. Just like Islam, JWs believe Jesus is just a good man sent by God almighty that has qualities to follow. He is less important in their Cult thus qualifying themselves as Non Christian.

The most important personality in the Cult is Jehovah who is equal to their Governing body /Faithful Slave because anything their Governing body say is regarded as Words of Jehovah and if a JW leaves the Cult, they are regarded as leaving Jehovah.

If Jesus's words contradicts their doctrines, JWs will take the words of their Leaders and discard the ones of Jesus. That is how it works in that Cult.

They also deny the sacrifice of Jesus every year as a result of misinterpretation of a Bible verse even though Jesus clearly commanded that the Bread and wine should be consumed in order for one to get everlasting life and be resurrected by him.

They also have many doctrines that contradicts the Bible.

They also have their own Bible which everyone knows is a Mistranslation with many errors and instances of verses tweaked to suit their doctrines. In fact, any religion that is not satisfied with the many translations of the Bible out there and decides to write their own in order to manipulate scriptures is showing sign of being a Cult.

In order for you to get a better understanding of this Cult, read the words in the screenshot below. All of what you see there are exactly how the JWs operate.

Christianity EtcRe: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Courz: 7:12pm On Nov 22, 2022
Janosky:
The screenshot is the perfect response to your
tantrums,delusion and stupidity.

Medical professionals in the screenshot, people wey KNOW pass you PROVEN you are throwing tantrums. grin
Janosky with your Maggot infested brain, Your Screenshot has answered nothing. We gain a lot more information from real life experiences especially if they are coming from a doctor with 10 years experience who has wealth of info of real life situations that prove you JWs wrong.

First, the doctor above mentioned that not every situation is solved by No Blood Transfusion. If you've got enough brain cells in that your Coconut head, you will know that accident victims, women in labour and others who have lost so much blood need immediate Blood Transfusion as soon as they get to the hospital. Alternatives to Blood Transfusion won't work for such ones as they need fast treatment to preserve life, something alternative treatment can't provide. This is a good disadvantage of No Blood Transfusion.

The doc also mentioned that Bloodless alternatives are expensive. This is something I myself can testify because I had someone close to me who was in this situation and the money they spent was no child's play. Please, how many of you JWs can afford the expenses? Your Cult is filled with people that are struggling because Watchtower glorifies Poverty. Well to do people are not much. A lot of you don't even practice giving like that. Watchtower never even thinks of paying for Sick JWs treatments. It is no wonder that in spite of the option of Bloodless treatment, you JWs still die. The sensible ones that don't want to die take Blood Transfusion in secret.

Can you see why I said you should learn a thing or two from this doc? You can post as many screenshots as you like but it will not answer the main question, Why do you JWs still die?

Look at the pic below from your publication. Watchtower was praising these poor children for being human sacrifices for nothing. These are foreign children probably from advanced countries that should have access to advanced medical treatment. Yet, they still died. Why? These ones are even small. How about the millions of JWs, children, babies and adults that have died as human sacrifices? It is a good thing that the Bulgarian government realised this demonic doctrine and forced Watchtower to allow their Bulgarian JWs to take Blood else they will tax them.

By the way, the screenshot you posted, that site is simply advertising their medical services and they have articles promoting both Blood Transfusion and No Blood Transfusion to get customers.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 6:33pm On Nov 22, 2022
Remember the Catholic Priest, Johannes Greber, whose New Testament Translation, inspired by demons, was used by Watchtower? Well, here is a letter from Watchtower to the Johannes Greber Foundation asking for copies of the said translation and his book I earlier mentioned titled Communication with the Spirit world. No JW can deny this one because it is bodly showing Watchtower asking for more copies of the books.

The One True religion fishing for doctrines of demons to teach JWs.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 6:23pm On Nov 22, 2022
Another Kingdom hall for sale.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz:
Davidtalo1:
They have no birthdays, don't believe in miracles, holy spirit, dresses like a cult, don't celebrate Christmas and refuse blood transfusion.
Are Jehovah witnesses christians? Or they're another religion?
They are not Christians. They are a different breed of religion that is Masonic in nature with Occultic symbology and history. There are occurrences of Spiritism in the Cult which is how they get their doctrines of which the JWs are not aware of except a special small group of JWs in their midst. In other words, they are a Freemason Cult disguised as a Christian Religion. They even describe themselves as separate from Christendom by redefining what Christendom means even though we all know Christendom is Christianity as a whole. So, for them to separate themselves from Christendom tells you they are not Christians.

They profess to be followers of Christ but their doctrines tell a different story and Jesus is barely mentioned except when they want to use his life as examples or make some selective quotes from him. Just like Islam, JWs believe Jesus is just a good man sent by God almighty that has qualities to follow. He is less important in their Cult thus qualifying themselves as Non Christian.

The most important personality in the Cult is Jehovah who is equal to their Governing body /Faithful Slave because anything their Governing body say is regarded as Words of Jehovah and if a JW leaves the Cult, they are regarded as leaving Jehovah.

If Jesus's words contradicts their doctrines, JWs will take the words of their Leaders and discard the ones of Jesus. That is how it works in that Cult.

They also deny the sacrifice of Jesus every year as a result of misinterpretation of a Bible verse even though Jesus clearly commanded that the Bread and wine should be consumed in order for one to get everlasting life and be resurrected by him.

They also have many doctrines that contradicts the Bible.

They also have their own Bible which everyone knows is a Mistranslation with many errors and instances of verses tweaked to suit their doctrines. In fact, any religion that is not satisfied with the many translations of the Bible out there and decides to write their own in order to manipulate scriptures is showing sign of being a Cult.

In order for you to get a better understanding of this Cult, read the words in the screenshot below. All of what you see there are exactly how the JWs operate.

Christianity EtcRe: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Courz: 1:52pm On Nov 21, 2022
Janosky:
Courz your tantrums can only deceive gullible folks fed by your delusion.

Only stupid folks like you dispute the solid evidence of medical science research which is the basis of professionally accepted global best practices of medical treatment (in this screenshot). grin cheesy

Janosky with your Maggot infested brain, don't bust your brain vessels with anger when an experienced person in the field has a very good contribution to make on this subject. Read and learn from the below comment so that you can learn a thing or two instead of allowing uneducated old senile white men from New York to use your life as a sacrifice to Lucifer.



I didn’t want to contribute to this for fear of this mad spamb9t restricting my account. But I'll chip in
I am a Physician of 16 years experience. Blood transfusion is a life saver. Reason why hospitals all over the world go for blood drives. Reason why there are blood banks globally. So I don't know where Max got his narrative that health workers abhor transfusions
Now bloodless surgeries are safe, no doubt, but guess what? They don't apply to all surgeries, they are very expensive and not every surgeon can operate that way. We doctors try as much as possible to reduce blood loss during ops but sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and u end up with angry bleeders. So what do u do? Not many Nigerians can afford minimally invasive procedures. Example, open appendicitis is circa 50k to 250k but laparoscopic appendicitis(which is a bloodless surgery) is around 1 to 1.5m. Now Caesarean Section and abdominal myomectomy are very bloody ops. Myomectomy is surgical removal of fibroids. Only certain fibroids can be removed by a laparoscopic myomectomy and they have to be small. So if the fibroids are large, numerous or deeply embedded in the uterus, then an abdominal myomectomy may be necessary. So if you are a Witness, what do u do?
Another point Witnesses get it wrong is the blood substitutes they use like haemacel etc. Now these substances don't replace blood and they are damn costly. About 50k for a pint, while a pint of blood is around 5k. Imagine a patient that needs 3 pints… Worse still, if they are bleeding profusely from say big lacerations and stab wounds, haemacel and other subs are plain useless. U need blood
Now we arrive at the issue of transfusion reaction. Like I pointed out earlier, I have been in practice for circa 16 years, and have been transfusing patients and I haven't seen 1 fatal reaction. Just one febrile reaction which I gave a shot of hydrocort, ran some saline and still recommenced the transfusion later which completed peacefully. My point… blood transfusion reactions are getting less and less troublesome. It's even less troublesome now we have better screening techniques and better drugs to counter them if they do happen
Thanks for attending my Ted talk, sirs
Christianity EtcRe: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Courz: 1:47pm On Nov 21, 2022
Janosky:
Courz your tantrums can only deceive gullible folks fed by your delusion.

Only stupid folks like you dispute the solid evidence of medical science research which is the basis of professionally accepted global best practices of medical treatment (in this screenshot). grin cheesy

A very good and well informed comment
from Jaephoenix. You can tell that doctrines of JWs only appeal to perpetually ignorant people.

If you want to make a JW look stupid, just give very hard facts backed with real life experiences, history and a very good education on a subject. Works everytime. Then you will realise their stupidity.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Courz: 10:30am On Nov 21, 2022
A very good and well informed comment
from Jaephoenix. You can tell that doctrines of JWs only appeal to perpetually ignorant people.

If you want to make a JW look stupid, just give very hard facts backed with real life experiences, history and a very good education on a subject. Works everytime. Then you will realise their stupidity.
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 12:29pm On Nov 20, 2022
Hmmmm....

sad

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 12:17pm On Nov 20, 2022
Recent Kingdom hall up for sale in the U.K.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 3:47pm On Nov 19, 2022
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 3:46pm On Nov 19, 2022
Christianity EtcRe: My Experience With The Jehovah's Witnesses Organization by Courz: 3:24pm On Nov 19, 2022
achorladey:
See how they use the ONLY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in that publication. A strong word to show they BELIEVE they will be SAVED then some years down the line on their FAQS captured on their website they use FEEL.
Isn't the fact that they believe anyone who leaves the Cult has left God proof that they truly believe that Only they will be saved and be in God's Kingdom? I don't understand how you can be teaching something in Kingdom halls but at the same time say something else in your FAQ Section in your website. Why can't they be straightforward and say their beliefs to outsiders with pride? Are they not proud of their beliefs or do they believe they have to lie to deceive people to join the Cult since people read FAQ sections in websites? Perhaps they know inwardly that their beliefs are bullshit that have successfully prevented people from joining the Cult! This Cult is full of lies all through.

See another example of their bold faced lie below. FAQ section is saying one thing on the left while they are saying something different to JWs on the right. Why are they lying?

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 3:25pm On Nov 17, 2022
More JW membership decline. Kingdom hall sales in Australia. smiley

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 1:59pm On Nov 17, 2022
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Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 1:57pm On Nov 17, 2022
More Fruitages of the One True religion below in Belgium. Doing what they know how to do best.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 10:53am On Nov 17, 2022
The deception of Watchtower when it comes to Disfellowshipping and their treatment of people that leave the Cult. In their FAQ Section in their website, they lied that they don't shun people who leave the Cult. But teach JWs to shun such people because Watchtower = God.

In the video below, Watchtower lied in Court that only spiritual fellowship with disfellowshipped ones are discouraged while normal relationships continue when JWs are disfellowshipped but they tell JWs a completely different thing in Kingdom halls to stay away from Disfellowshipped JWs and people that leave the Cult as shown in their videos below.

Meanwhile, in the Elders Manual, it is stated that there will be no judicial committee formed if JWs choose to associate with Disfellowshipped ones which means it is a Conscience matter. And JWs are unaware of this. So, why are they hiding this from JWs? Why this confusion? Why all these lies in Court? This is a very confused Cult.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbWZ0hTrnwg
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 11:06am On Nov 14, 2022
More JW decline in the U.K. Kingdom halls for sale.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz:
For some of you lurking JWs and ExJWs, here is a Rules and Regulations book for Circuit Overseers in the link below. It is amazing what EXJWs can get their hands on these days. So many Leaks from Bethel headquarters. Watchtower has so many traitors. grin

Download before the Link expires.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4698144281985024/request-2022-circuit-overseer-guidelines-pdf

Update: The link has expired. I will try to see if I can get it from another source.
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 12:59pm On Nov 13, 2022
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Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 12:55pm On Nov 13, 2022
More JW decline in Canada and U.S.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 11:57am On Nov 13, 2022
More.......

These are the beings Watchtower deals with as the Channel of Communication.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz:
I just came across these images in Tik tok. An astronomer came up with a Mathematical invention that would serve as a means through which he can view Spirit beings from the Spirit realm. He put his invention into practice and found the following images below.

Question : Aren't these images similar to the Subliminal images I mentioned earlier that Watchtower slyly places in their publications? Food for thought.

Warning : Viewers discretion is advised.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 11:42am On Nov 13, 2022
Interesting comment from a Woman who worked in the Writing department at Bethel Headquarters below. With all these many sales of Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls, the JW Population number published by Watchtower is a very big Lie.

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 11:39am On Nov 13, 2022
More JW decline. Assembly halls in Germany for sale. I heard over 600 congregations in Germany have been closed/removed from register.

Christianity EtcRe: My Experience With The Jehovah's Witnesses Organization by Courz: 11:29pm On Nov 12, 2022
Janosky:
Matthew 24:37-39, according to Jesus Christ, will Jehovah God save ONLY his servants?

Isaiah 43:10,21 (ASV) & Acts 15:14, are you aware the disciples identified themselves as Jehovah's servants?

As it was in the days of Noah,so shall it occur again , with Armageddon, only Jehovah's servants survived..
Repeat mode of Noah's day, according to Jesus Christ.

Acts 24:15, after Armageddon the resurrection is for the righteous and the unrighteous."
For the resurrection,JWs (Jehovah's servants don't determine who will get resurrection.

But, Matthew 24:36-39, only Jehovah's servants will be saved.



Courz the atheist otenearron confam doesn't believe in the Bible.
What is he proving from the holy Bible he rejects? grin grin



Carry your empty rants offline.
Courz doesn't even believe in the Bible's let alone defend the holy book.

Courz the atheist otenearron confam.
See previous post screenshot
grin
Idiot! What is all this you are quoting up and down with your scattered brain? Answer the damn question I have been asking you. Explain these verses below let me see.

Christianity EtcRe: The World Will End And Armageddon Will Come On Or Before Year 2000- Watchtower by Courz: 7:50pm On Nov 10, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Shame
No sane man keeps responding to the taunting of a mad person
Do you want to help us or taunt us?
Are you under torment that we commemorate Jesus Christ death when there are others who do so, or our not putting on beards as if you can mention just any other group on earth that are more neater or modest in appearance. As if you don't have clergymen that don't put on beards
Your talk is very irrelevant
I guess you are in a better performing group with no name or works to prove
But you are still responding to me. Why?

Why did you have to lie that Christian ministers don't keep beards when there are others who keep beards? Why did you mention pastors of other churches when you JWs are not part of them and wish for them to be destroyed at Armaggedon? Why mention Pastors without beards when they never banned their members from keeping Beards like you JWs do? What useless point are you trying to make?

Before you bring any analogy to address an argument, make sure it is sound and logical. Your point fell flat and became completely useless. You don't have anything tangible to say. Why is it that you couldn't explain from the Bible how you JWs arrived at 607 bce, 2520 years and 1914?

I am showing you why people believe you JWs teach lies and doctrines of Men. For the simple fact that none of you could explain yourselves without sounding stupid proves your doctrines are built with sand and fall apart once anyone analyses them with the most basic critical thinking skills.

And Yes, I repeat, your Memorial is actually a Satanic Black Mass Ceremony created by Watchtower to cause you JWs to reject the Sacrifice of Jesus unknowingly. I will keep repeating this over and over again. You are in a Satanic Cult disguised as a Christian Religion to deceive many to destruction. And the time has come for Watchtower to reap what they sowed when they went about deceiving many to dedicate their lives to a Satanic Cult. Now, they are selling Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls to settle their Child Sexual Abuse cases Pilling up on their heads. It is only the beginning.
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 6:52pm On Nov 10, 2022
Comments from the above video.

Christianity EtcRe: My Experience With The Jehovah's Witnesses Organization by Courz: 6:39pm On Nov 10, 2022
Sand2022:
I wonder where you got that from. Perhaps that's your understanding. The witnesses do not teach that if you're not a JW, you won't be saved. As far as I know, they don't know that for sure. They live the judgment for Jesus.

I assume that's your own belief. But it's good to be let Jesus make that decision. Seriously, you can't know for sure what he will decide. Remember that criminal at his right hand, who knows that even though he is not baptized, nor follow Jesus, he was saved. That should humble us to let the God appointed judge do his work.



That's not what that scripture says. Any christian can do what that Malachi says, not minding his denomination. Right?



There lots of wrong statements made here. Would you want to talk about it?
At the bolded, No that's not what JWs teach. From the screenshot below directly from their website, Only Jehovah's witnesses will survive Armaggedon and be saved. You may hear some JWs tell you otherwise but those ones are actually disagreeing with the approved doctrine from Watchtower above which is not allowed in the Cult. You can't disagree with Watchtower.

When discussing with JWs, it is either their way or the highway. They are not people you can sit down and discuss Bible with the hope of interchanging opinions. Don't expect a JW to accept your opinion even if you are right and can prove it with the Bible. It never happens. In case you don't know, Watchtower is Supreme to JWs and whatever they are taught stands even if it is obviously wrong and cannot be found in the Bible. The earlier you understand this, the better while you are chatting with this fellow.

Christianity EtcRe: My Experience With The Jehovah's Witnesses Organization by Courz:
Sand2022:
JWs teach that soul is a person. That is actually true from my understanding. Perhaps the guy doesn't understand what JWs teach or he himself has his own understanding of the meaning of a soul.

Using that understanding it wouldn't go against the fact that the souls asked for their blood to be avenged. The soul in that book of Revelation would represent the righteous persons that had arisen to heaven.

As for the spirits in prison. There are differences of opinions here. One school of thought says is refers to the spirits of the humans killed by the flood, while another says it refers to the fallen angels who disobeyed during the time of Noah.

Which one makes sense to you and why?
The Souls cried out to Jesus and Jesus replies them to rest a little longer then gives them White robes to wear. There is communication and actions happening here. JWs believe Souls when they die don't communicate and do anything. They also believe that Souls are physical beings. The Souls appear to be in Heaven. This above scenario goes against the doctrines of JWs who believe that a Soul dies and nothing of the person lives on. Ask a JW what Souls are doing in Heaven conversing with Jesus, they won't answer you. I know why I posted that verse. JWs will never attempt to explain that verse because it goes against their doctrine. So, you will see them making all sorts of assumptions and deflect.

As for the Spirits in prison, since the Bible goes ahead to say these are Spirits of people who were disobedient to God, it encompasses all who were disobedient to God. If it is truly just the fallen angels, the Bible would have specified and the context is talking about people in general where it concludes by saying only eight people(Noah and his family) were saved. The context is talking generally.

My point is, Jesus separating Body and Soul specifying which can be killed by humans and which cannot, tallies with the verses I mentioned in 1Peter and Revelations and also tallies with his Parable of Lazarus and the Rich man. The point Jesus was obviously making is that the body dies but the Soul doesn't else you won't see Souls in heaven and Jesus wouldn't have separated the two if they are the same which is what JWs teach. Like I said earlier, context matters. The Bible uses Soul to mean the person in some verses and uses it to mean Spirit in other verses. Hence, the reason why you see Jesus separating Body and Soul.
Christianity EtcRe: The World Will End And Armageddon Will Come On Or Before Year 2000- Watchtower by Courz: 1:21pm On Nov 10, 2022
OgaNightmare:
If someone reads transcripts of DOUGLAS-WALSH TRIAL and listens to ARC and does not wake up. Well, I don't know what else will wake him up.
"They GB members don't believe what the teach" That's the conclusion I made after going through the two above courtroom trials.
Oh Yes. The Governing body don't believe what they teach JWs and that is why they like to change their doctrines often. In Crisis of Conscience book by Ray Franz, he said there were some amongst the Governing body members who didn't believe in the 1914 doctrine and were considering changing it but the majority maintained that it shouldn't be changed. Even Fred Franz said He hopes 1914 is true. So, he is not even sure 1914 is correct. grin grin These people are just formulating doctrines from Guesswork and parading it as Truth. And that shows that they are frauds.

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