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MaxInDHouse:
Everything you've said is exactly what happened to Jesus in the first century.

God forbid bad thing for this statement you made up there! You see why your fellow JWs Call you an Apostate? You don't talk like a Christian. You don't talk like a True follower of Christ. If you really were, you would never have made the above statement. You are truly an apostate. It is blasphemy against Jesus to attribute to him what is attributed to a False prophet and Confusing doctrines that are Lies. You have once said Jesus is a Deceiver. So, I am not surprised that you are attributing what is False on or a Lie to Jesus. Satan is the Father of Lies. You JWs follow him in the same path with your New Light doctrine. Are you aware that your New Light doctrine is a License to Teach Lies as Truth?. You better go to God almighty in prayer and beg him to forgive you for this atrocious statement you just made against Jesus. You just committed Blasphemy against the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. You have no shame!

MaxInDHouse:
We know for sure that we are no part of the world {John 17:14} so we don't expect the world to be fond of what doesn't belong to it! John 15:19

You are part of the World. You are False prophets. You used many years to predict the future like true fortune tellers. You used Spiritism to get doctrines. The Bible specifically says No one knows when Jesus would come but you JWs disagreed and formulated your own date 1914 after so many false dates. You even continued with more dates but refused to discard 1914. You are the people Jesus warned against. And that's why JWs are leaving you.

Now, they are begging JWs that left to come back after soiling their reputation by calling them Apostates. They are seeing that calling them that isn't working. Instead, it is making more JWs to leave. So, they are begging them to come back.

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what they told Jesus and we are not different! Matthew 10:24-25

No o. Jesus actually talked about you JWs. Apostle Paul warned about intruders who will invent their own doctrines from demons and will want their ears to be tickled with fantasies and Lies. Those people are you JWs. Jesus also talked about false prophets who will claim that he came invisibly. You invented a date that Jesus would come not knowing that you're not supposed to know when he is to come. No one knows the day or hour Remember? You have been exposed for the world to see.

MaxInDHouse:
Glory be to Jehovah the one and only true God!

Yes. Glory be To Almighty God and Jesus for exposing you JWs as Frauds. For exposing you JWs as lover of Lies like your father Satan.

oteneaaron:
They will never agree with the true date of 587BCE

Without 607BCE, there can be no 1914 doctrine.

Without the 1914 doctrine, then there can be no 1919 doctrine.

Without the 1919 doctrine, the religion seizes to exist.

So they must stick to 607BCE - the very existence of the their religion depends on this date.

Exactly. They made the mistake of forming doctrines using a false date. They should never have done that. If they didn't form doctrines from it, it would have been easy for them to discard it. Now, they are in a tight corner and cannot fix it. SDA, the Inventors of the doctrine have dropped it. It is not good to imagine doctrines and deceive people with Lies. You will pay for it. That's why JWs are leaving upon seeing this fraud. Now they are pleading in their recent broadcast to JWs that left. They are begging them to come back to the Cult. They are seeing that their end is near. They never expected this much JWs to leave. It certainly looks like JWs leaving the Cult is much worse than we thought.

Emusan:
It's only an hypocrite that behave that way.

That is why he was so bold to say, "Do we need everyone's approval to agree with us?"

because he knows that watchtower designed their own rules to suit their own doctrines. Yet the deluded guy will be claiming to be a biologist.

So the buffoon is studying Biology in school and he is sounding like a Primary school dropout? He is in the Science field and cannot use his Brain effortlessly? This is the result of Watchtower's Brainwashing. Your education becomes a waste when you take men who are neither Historians nor archeologists seriously. What a shame! He should never have attended the University as Watchtower is advising them to do.

Emusan:
You can even imagine the shameless person.

See how he later said "THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE ON THE SAME THING" when he was the same person who first said "ALL AGREED WITH ESTABLISHED FACT"

Do you know what is so irritating? These people love to quote Bible Scholars and Historians too much. They take so much pride in doing it and claiming that they are established facts! Just go through their publications. It is filled with dates from Secular History. So, I wonder why they just specifically picked 607 out of all the dates to invent themselves because they need their lies to fit with it. That's why I am asking them how they got 607. Are JWs Historians and Archeologists? What ancient documents do they have to back it up? We have been asking them this question since 1914 and they have refused to answer. So, what right thinking person would take such clowns seriously? Wouldn't intelligent people rather take established facts and provable evidence from Archeologists and historians than taking from a bunch of people that imagine things and turn them to doctrines but still cannot explain them to the public? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Aemmyjah:
Do we need everyone's approval to agree with us?

Look at the question you are asking above. Do you even think before you type? Do you need everyone's approval to agree with you on 607? If you don't need Historians approval or their agreement, why did you quote their date 537? Where did you get 537 Bce from? Was it from the Bible? No. From Secular Historians! Why did you point out that 537 is an agreed date in the first place? That's because you still need the agreement and approval from Historians for that date. You need their agreement that's why you mentioned it. You still need their agreement which is why your publications are filled with their information to this day! See? You JWs still depend on Secular History sources for information to this day. Why is It that no single historian and Archeologists agree with you JWs for 607? Where did you get 607 from? Are you JWs historians and Archeologists? Wayo people! And you are busy going about teaching this Lie to gullible people that don't do research. 😂😂😂

This is the point I have made earlier. To show you the Fraud Watchtower and JWs do with doctrines, They have no problem using the same Secular History and Archeologists to prove certain dates that benefits them but if another date does not benefit a Lie they created many years ago right from the time of Charles Taze Russell, they will invent their own date that cannot still be found in the Bible and claim that the same Secular History is wrong or unreliable. Does this make sense at all? No. Because they are Liars and love Lies like their father Satan. They have bastardised the word Truth. They have made a mockery of that word too many times which is exactly what Satan does. I believe this discussion so far and their replies have proven me right of the Fraud behind 607 Bce and 1914. As you can see, none of JWS in this thread could prove those dates to us but have rather decided to dance around the subject or try to divert your attention to something else which is exactly what a Fraudulent person would do. Their actions prove that they would rather focus on imaginary doctrines that have no basis on scripture and Secular History.

Janosky:
Emusan,Your intention was to insult me but you ended up exposing yourself for LYING.
Emusan did not do any "simple task" I first gave him.
LYING man

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Was this prophecy about the number of years of the Jews captivity?
Yes!

Would Jerusalem's destruction take place when & if the Jews where not captured?

No !


[b]Secular history gave the year 537 BCE that king Cyrus ordered the Jews to return to rebuild Jerusalem's temple. Screenshot evidence.




I have given you enough evidence & answered your questions.
Go & research your Bible on this topic to find out the point you missed.
Emusan start your assignment now.
Don't be a dim wit

Mumu Janosky, so you can quote from Encyclopedia to confirm 537 Bce but you pretend you didn't see this screenshot below from the same Encyclopaedia abi? Can you see the fraud you people are preaching? You JWs love lies like Satan your Father. This is the point we are making in this thread and I am glad you JWs are disgracing yourselves in public like this. You are showing the public your fraud. Nice one! 👍

Emusan:


E don hook.

So ALL AGREED and ESTABLISHED with FACT the date 537BC but NO ONE agreed and established with FACT the date 607BC

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You dey see the wayo dem dey do? They are using Secular History to boast about 537 Bce but did as if they didn't see 586/587 from the same secular history. Just so that their wayo date can make sense to them.

oteneaaron:
This is a GREAT thread.

Kudos to the OP

Great work so far @Emusan & @Courz - happy new year guys.

Finding out the truth about when Jerusalem really got destroyed was one of the reasons why I woke up from the JW cult.

As a student of ancient history, I have read countless reports from reliable archeologists and historians who all agree - with proof that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BCE not 607BCE

Since Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BCE, that means the doctrine of 1914 is FALSE - "Jesus" didn't return invisibly in that year.

And since the 1914 doctrine is FALSE, then the doctrine of 1919 is also FALSE - which destroys their claim to have been selected by "Jesus" in that same year.

The 1914 doctrine is the "foundation" upon which the entire JW cult is built - once that foundation is destroyed, everything else falls apart Iike a deck of cards.

That is why the Governing Body insists that their members should not have independent thinking and must not do external research.

How can the "only true religion" teach LIES?

Once again, this is a GREAT thread.

Happy New Year Oteneaaron. How's your family?

Can you see the Fraud Watchtower pulled for JWs? Just so that they can arrive at 607, they stretched the reign of some kings and assigned wrong dates to Kings to fit their lies. This is why they cannot find one single proof to back up that date. It was made up just to fit 1914. Real Scammers. When I saw this scam for myself, I couldn't believe it. And they made the mistake of building doctrines from the wrong dates proving that every other doctrine tied to it are Lies. JWS just love being fed lies like the Bible says. They don't care if something is True or Not which makes them offspring of Satan.

Aemmyjah:
Neither can you invalidate that God's people spent 70 years in exile

Fornicator Aemmyjah, show us where Archeologists and Secular History agreed that 607 Bce is the correct date. Show us! You have mouth to boast that Secular History agreed for 537 for their exile. Why don't you show us where they agreed for 607? Can you see how fraudulent you people are? To answer simple question is hard for you people because you know they are lies from the pit of hell. You people are so comfortable being fed errors upon errors. You love lies like your Father Satan. Why? You don't care if something is True or not. You just run with it and go about teaching it without doing your due diligence and research to see if it is true or not. No wonder Watchtower forbids you from doing research so that you won't see their Fraud!

Emusan:
I did and I told you that what I got was that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC and not 607BC

So, you can see you're the one disgracing yourself.



I like the fact that you're the one making questions and you're the very one providing the answers



Good since you agreed with the secular history about 537BC

When was thee same secular history say Jerusalem was destroyed?

This is the simple question that you people were running away from because of your double face.



I love the fact that you couldn't have me the YEAR 537BC from those scriptures.



You didn't.

My question was, what did secular historians say Jerusalem was destroyed?

At least you agreed with the same secular historians for gotten the date 537BC right.

So what did they say about the DATE Jerusalem was destroyed.

If you're being truthful to yourself you will provide a screenshot here.



I said, I did and the date secular historians said Jerusalem was destroyed was 587BC.

So, can you proof me wrong by providing the secular historians that agreed with you that 607BC was the year Jerusalem destroyed?

JaNosense will come with another twist now just watch.

Janosky Is such a dunce! He by himself said that Secular Histrorians gave 537 Bce for the end of Exile. He never mentioned the Bible. He said Secular History. But the same Secular History that gave 537 also gave 586/587 Bce as Jerusalem's destruction. You are asking him why he depended on the same Secular History to give 537 but refused to take 586/587 for Jerusalem's destruction. He has been doing as if he didn't see your question and divert to another thing. This is the problem of Jehovah's Witnesses. They can't explain their Lies. They will rather find something else to distract you.

Fornicator Aemmyjah, your emotional tantrums will not solve this issue. Your emotional tantrums only work on your Fellow Brainwashed JWs. Just simply explain to us why Watchtower has to do wayo with the dates, assign wrong dates to Kings and increase the rulership timeline of certain kings just so that they can arrive at 607? Do you know the kind of people that do this? Scammers! That's what they do. Watchtower claimed one King started ruling in so so so date whereas History books give a different date. Are your Watchtower historians? Where did they get their imaginary dates from? Do they have degrees in archaeology or History? Your Watchtower knows they are not good at this thing which is why they still rely on Secular sources, historians and tablets that they are claiming are not reliable. Tell us. Explain this fraud!

Aemmyjah:
How many did the Jews spend in exile?

I know how the watchtower site looks like
If you want to discredit something, you allow the logo to show on the web page but when you want to mislead fools like your kind, you drop screenshot of apostate page with misleading content. That's not my watchtower publication page.

Again
As an apostates, you will have no peace. Your existence here on the forum is meaningless as nobody has gained anything meaningful from you than read your lies and hate... No peace for the wicked
Unless you answer my question, you remain a liar and no response from my end for the whole of this month. If you like, keep calling me like you're a lost child... We're supporting Bible, making what it said about 70 years true, if the whole world rejects it, it's their own problem, not ours. You too claiming to be Christian, invalidate God's word to support secular reports that don't completely match or are even entirely accurate. Let God be true.
We stand with the Bible. Let God be true

If the Bible is correct, 70 years will last from 607 to 537 BCE. It's really the Bible you're fighting, not us. Pained apostate. It's like the name, Jehovah's Witnesses gives you sleepless night. No sleep for the apostates, no peace for the apostates... You're trying hard to make us stop, I'm sorry, you have not even seen anything yet...
If you can't answer my question, don't expect any response from me

Fornicator Aemmyjah, your Watchtower Cult relied on Secular sources, archeologists and ancient tablets to do their calculations to an extent. Then turned around and did their own calculation to arrive at 607 and gave the excuse that they did so because secular sources and the above mentioned are not reliable. My question is, why are they using secular sources in the first place if they know they are not reliable? If they are truly not reliable, why haven't they stopped using them till today? Why do they still need these sources to arrive at 607?

Secondly, why is It that if one is to use your publications that have details of the rulership of these Kings, one will arrive at 587 Bce for Jerusalem destruction? Why is It that one can use your publications against you?

Aemmyjah:
Be a man and answer me
Stop acting like a chicken
I don't read apostate page or their contents. You can't inject poison into an apple and ask me to bite and show you I'm strong. Desisting to eat does not make me a coward but makes you foolish. I'm not running away either but leaving everything so we can focus in what the Bible really says and make the right conclusion


Answer me
How many years did the Jews spend in Babylon

Fornicator Aemmyjah, be a Man and explain the mago mago Watchtower did here in the calculation. You can see that 587 can be proven by using your own publications below. Your publications can be used against you. Look at the timeline from your Watchtower. Explain that.

Aemmyjah:
That's why I asked him
The more he attacks us, he's also attacking the Bible unless the Bible lied that the Jews were in Babylon for 70 years
Baba is running away from simple maths and wants me to read his junkies

Explain why your publications below are still proving 607 to be false. Why did your Watchtower add more Years to their calculation yet your publications are proving us right?

Aemmyjah:
Answer 2 questions if you are a Bible believer and it will lead you u to answers you seek

1. How many years did God say his people will spend in exile?

2. How many years did they spend in Babylon

Answer it or remain a liar. No peace for the wicked. JWs are living rent free in your head. We did not cause it. It's just making you mad

Answer those 2 questions

Fornicator Aemmyjah, explain the mago mago Watchtower did here in the calculation. You can see that 587 can be proven by using your own publications below.

MaxInDHouse:
Imagine sitting face to face with another man as thousands of audience are tuned to hear both of you debate on what interests them then instead of maturely addressing you the other person started by insulting and cursing you.
Ọmọ even right thinking audience will take their leave as it's longer makes any sense they will conclude that both of you only come on air to exhibit your skills in insulting and cursing one another!

Mad MaxinDhouse, are you ashamed that Watchtower used American Abracadabra for you people? So, you can't explain the mago mago adding of years your Watchtower did to stretch themselves to 607bce? What a shame!

Oya come and debunk these shots. Come and explain the mago mago Watchtower did here by adding more years to the reign of Kings.

Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, are you aware that your own publications can be used to debunk 607 Bce?

Aemmyjah:
I don't make conclusions or answer questions from an apostate page.
You can't make me an idiot like you

Tell me, how many years were the Jews in captivity? 70 or 50?
Let's do simple maths and see how much you know about addition and subtraction

Fornicator Aemmyjah, simply answer the question. Why did Watchtower use secular sources to calculate and arrive at a date favourable to them but turned around and said those sources are unreliable and yet still use the same sources till today?

Aemmyjah:
Even if 70 years taken away from 537 BCE will lead to 607 BCE. 70 years of exile as God said. This mad apostates claiming to be Christians will rather fight those defending the Bible out of envy and hate.

How many years did God say his people will be in exile? 587 - 537 BCE (50 years) or 607 - 537 BCE (70 years).
They'll rather make the Bible look inaccurate
No peace for the apostates wicked
😂

Mumu, why did Watchtower do mago mago and add unnecessary years to the reigns of kings just so that they can stretch to reach 607 Bce? Why are you a supporter of this fraud?

MaxInDHouse:
I keep wandering if apostates do sleep at all with the hatred that fills their hearts.
Abeg is it by force to be a JW?
If you feel you're no longer comfortable with a religion why not join another and start telling people the new things you're learning in your new found faith?
But thanks to JEHOVAH apostates can never ever find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so instead of talking about new things they've learned in their new religion it's always the remaining of what they learned from JWs they keep parroting!

Mad MaxinDhouse, Why did Watchtower use secular sources to calculate and arrive at a date favourable to them but turned around and said those sources are unreliable and yet still use the same sources till today?

Aemmyjah:
Quoting from apostate web page to make it look like our site
De play
No peace for the apostates
Desperate liar
😂

How many years did God's people spend in exile?
Despite your lies and slander, we are still flourishing. Shame on you

If I may ask, what year did scholars say Jesus was born? What year did he become the Messiah? Well, we were able to establish it using Bible chronology too

No peace for the wicked apostates, says my God. Creating nuisance to themselves in the name of attention seeking...
You can even prove that those historians were reliable. See the differences in the dates they gave about the kings of Babylon.
Even if we are wrong, it shouldn't make you mad
People only throw stone at a tree when it is ripe
No peace for the apostates wicked. They're like a roaring lion like their own father running from thread to thread and social forum, looking for trouble

Can't even give a sound conviction for the existence of God. Saying your belief in God's existence is cos you escape one chance motor
Peace will continue to delude you as you keep working with the great apostate. Your attacks and lies can't do us any harm. Tell us how it has affected us...

Fornicator Aemmyjah, simply answer the question. Why did Watchtower use secular sources to calculate and arrive at a date favourable to them but turned around and said those sources are unreliable and yet still use the same sources till today?

1914 and 607 in the mud just by using their publication.

Wayo people. They think they are smart.

I expect Mumu Janosky, Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse to come and counter these shots below. Isn't It funny that you can prove Watchtower wrong by using their own publications to prove that 607 is a Lie?

The first King mentioned there is where Watchtower did their mago mago to arrive at 607. They went to increase the number of years that king reigned and mixed up the timelines of when other kings ruled. They think they are smart.

Aemmyjah:
😂
No peace for the apostates wicked
Says my God


Who listens to a liar? Someone that modifies people's comments. Chai

Fornicator Aemmyjah, is this all you can say? Oh what a shame. You're speechless because I just showed you the mago mago Watchtower used on your head. They did American wonder. They stretched a King's reign and did Abracadabra and voila! 607 was born! They used secular sources to do calculation to a date. Then afterwards did their own imaginary calculation then turned around and said the secular sources are unreliable. Please, why are they using the same sources still to calculate 607? Why did your Watchtower depend on the same secular sources and tablets to calculate 607 but at the same time claim that they are unreliable? Just answer this question. Let me see if you still have some brain cells left.

Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, come and explain why someone will use a method to create something and after doing that successfully, the person turns around and says the method he used is unreliable but still use that method to this day to prove arguments.

Aemmyjah:
They will rather take sides with what secular writers say about the date even if it could mean to them that what the Bible said about Jerusalem lying desolate for 70 years was a lie and Daniel said he discerned the 70 years are elapsed. They have no problem to support secular things and go against Bible cos it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that have the courage to say, it was 607 BCE that Jerusalem was sacked and 70 years will be the 537 BCE. When they argue on 587 BCE, they themselves invalidate the Bible and support historians that are not even reliable

See what I found on our site about what historians wrote about the dates of the Babylonian kings

If these historians are reliable, why do they disagree?

KINGS

1. King Nabopolassar

BEROSSUS c. 350-270 B.C.E. (21)

POLYHISTOR 105-? B.C.E. (20)

JOSEPHUS 37-?100 C.E. (—)

PTOLEMY c. 100-170 C.E. (21)

2. King Nebuchadnezzar II

BEROSSUS c. 350-270 B.C.E. (43)

POLYHISTOR 105-? B.C.E. (43)

JOSEPHUS 37-?100 C.E. (43)

PTOLEMY c. 100-170 C.E. (43)

3. King Amel-Marduk

BEROSSUS c. 350-270 B.C.E. (2)

POLYHISTOR 105-? B.C.E. (12)

JOSEPHUS 37-?100 C.E. (18)

PTOLEMY c. 100-170 C.E. (2)

4. King Neriglissar

BEROSSUS c. 350-270 B.C.E. (4)

POLYHISTOR 105-? B.C.E. (4)

JOSEPHUS 37-?100 C.E. (40)

PTOLEMY c. 100-170 C.E. (4)

5. King Labashi- Marduk

BEROSSUS c. 350-270 B.C.E. (9 months)

POLYHISTOR 105-? B.C.E. (—)

JOSEPHUS 37-?100 C.E. (9 months)

PTOLEMY c. 100-170 C.E. (—)

6. King Nabonidus

BEROSSUS c. 350-270 B.C.E. (17)

POLYHISTOR 105-? B.C.E. (17)

JOSEPHUS 37-?100 C.E. (17)

PTOLEMY c. 100-170 C.E. (17)

(#) = Length of king’s reign (in years) according to classical historians.

Fornicator Aemmyjah, why did your Watchtower depend on the same secular sources and tablets to calculate 607 but at the same time claim that they are unreliable? Just answer this question. Let me see if you still have some brain cells left.