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NPikinGidi: Were you relevant? Really?

I won't repeat something that needn't be repeated.

You have a rant to support. Ten pages later, you still haven't. So save the energy for that. Please. Failed state - let's hear it. How does your list meet with the definition?

Answer please. I've even lowered my standards and asked that you tell us what definition you're working with.

I told you your argument was unsustainable.

I thought you would run and there'd be no explanation. You absolutely deserved to be ignored.

NPikinGidi: Where is the definition standing? Who erected the definition? And who accepted the definition? First things first! Respond directly to the listed points ... Only then do you deserve answers to your questions. Only in your delusions do people seem to beg. I will not and have not begged rather you are the party begging for a yet to be deserved response. You played yourself into where you are by hiding behind pictures. Do the needful and we shall proceed together. South Africa is a sum total of the 33% pass benchmark for high school matriculant going into higher learning and the workforce. TOTAL FAILURES!

Regardless, I'll tomorrow be talking about the actual situation behind those pretty university building pictures you put out in your FAILED attempt at deception! Let's keep a date!

What are you talking about?

Please define a failed state? Please please - show us that you know what you are talking about. So far, it's clear that you have no clue and are just angry because your best picture is the Zuma rock

What is a failed state. May I have a clear definition please. No stories.

Let's hear your definition then. Don't ramble on. Tell us what a failed state is - in accordance with what you learnt at university in Lagos.

Started something you couldn't finish. Ran off with your tail between your leg. Typical Nigerian story.

patriot4: Africa's big apple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YiOvZuzAg

Abuja:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqLtVmnsfmc

I'm glad you've given up on your attempts to police this thread. Lovely. Only serves to prove I was always relevant.

And then you want to tell me that rant didn't deserve to be ignored. Total rubbish from a clueless person.

Run along now...

NPikinGidi: You have your own questions about imperfections to answer by yourself! Who made the failed state definition? Until you adequately respond squarely and directly to the points I have made severally I'll kindly allow you to wallow in your pains! After all you were the one chiding ZetDee for his own direct but weak response to my points. Provide truthful rebuttals if you really would like me to engage further. We'll talk more about your universities tomorrow. For sure. Just come with an empty bucket please! Your failures are huge! If 33% is a pass mark in today's South Africa then we know the story behind the pretty pictures form CraigB's camera lens! Hide the FAILURES! Sham.

If you cannot answer my question about something that you started, you are only helping me.

The definition is standing and generally accepted. You decided to list things and argued that these indicate that SA is a failed state.

So, the question - you were obviously begging and now you've got it.

I ask it again. How do the things that you listed fall within the definition of a failed state?

Don't give me long stories. Give me a crisp answer to support your rambling argument. Multiple times you posted your rant. You begged for attention. Well, you've got the attention. So, please support your rant. Answer the one question then we will move on to the rest of your gibberish.

You threw things out of your mouth and you demanded a response. Well, let's hear it then. Explain yourself. One step at a time.

NPikinGidi: You know they are true and you surely a in pains to swallow your own bitter pill! FAILURE! Experts in hiding behind pretty images!

Easy. Will get to that. No need to rush. First explain - if they were to turn out true, how do they fit within the definition of a failed state?

Simple question.

Support your rant with thought please.

NPikinGidi: How come you only note imperfections in the case o your beloved but failed South Africa? Is South Africa now an exception to your own rules of failure? Keep sucking your fat thumb ... You need them suked clean to shoot more clean pictures for you to hide yourselves and your failures behind. Empty block heads!

Imperfections? Like which society is perfect? Give me one right now.

Two - then show me how South Africa's fall within the accepted definition of a failed state.

Fourth time I keep asking the same thing. No answer.

It's very simple. You started it. So explain it.
Once we are done with that, let's look at your off-the-mark imperfections that you clearly picked up stompies on.


Can I have clear answers please, seeing as you want attention at this late hour.

NPikinGidi: And now he makes a highly feeble response to deny? I will respond and expand on the 33% failure of South Africans tomorrow by popular demand from A clueless CraigB. About Zuma ... It is not a matter about your public prosecutor's forced scrutiny but more about the wasteful personalization of taxpayers cash to expand and fortify a personal property which you all have painted as impossible in a "corruption free" SA. But by way of your known views it is indicative of a FAILED South Africa.

Hard to rebut GLARING FACTS and CraigB would wish them away as rubbish? Another HUGE FAIL by a failure of CraigB's calibre! Deal with facts and then we can talk some more. Block heads with 33% cannot hide behind pretty pictures to deceive the world! I repeat you are a BIG FAILURE and your SA is a sum total of FAILURES! You amount to 33% shame!

First explain how that - if it were true - fits within the definition of a failed state. It's a simple question.

Explain to us how everything that you listed fits within the definition.

And then we'll look at the clearly off-the-mark description of these things.

You're screaming because nigeria took a beating today; and you've come up with an argument you won't be able to sustain - as we will see shortly.

You've got no numbers. You don't know what a failed state is. But you want to waste my time and have me debate with you.

NPikinGidi: Your mind has a huge analytical deficit. At least I pointed out it wasn't compulsory, so how come you find it compulsory so much right now?
The same way your attempt at running away behind pictures has shown your stark ignorance and lack of intelligence in all debates. Well ... Your views of failure and parameters for failure have caught up with you. I trust your are looking at your mirror or photographic image and repeating your last sentence above to yourself. The joke never stops being on you! 33% failure! Try convincing yourself ome more!

I asked a simple question - please answer it.

How do any of the things that you listed help your failed state argument? How are they indicative of a failed state, given the imperfections in all societies?

Never mind that they are thumb sucked. Just answer the question first.

Clear answer please.

NPikinGidi: Wow! That's a great view of Durban's eThekwini municipality. But sorry my boy ... Those buildings are practically filled with social and academic failures. Try again!

Better than Nigeria still. You're practically South African now. You should know.

NPikinGidi: Where in the world is 33% a pass mark for leaving high school? Only in South Africa . This is the point that is at the heart of inadequacies, inequalities and endemic failures in your current society. The exact failures that CraigB tries stupidly to hide behind nice buildings. Like I said we'll talk more on this tomorrow.

The rest of your answers are weak rebuttals to my posers ... And clearly validate my positions.
Did you say the R1 billion spent was purely and entirely American funds? We'll see more proof shortly. Either way the show has been wasteful with taxpayers on the receiving end.

I salute your courage to respond where cowards and 33 percenters like CraigB clearly lack the backbone to talk more nonsense! Pictures cannot conceal the poor quality of matriculants going into those beautiful buildings. Checkout the failure and dropout rates! The data from Wits university and others will be with you for a lifetime. The Limpopo book saga is still in the open and so on. We'll surely continue from here tomorrow. Poor CraigB needs a new camera.

This is yet another rubbish argument from a clueless Nigerian spoiling for a fight. State failure has nothing to do with any of the things that you listed.

Number one: varsity entry is in terms of a point system. Tell me what the points for the various varsities are and then explain to me how that is inadequate. Answer please.

Two. Zuma and Nkandla. Last time I checked that was on the desk of the public protector. How is the scrutiny of nkandla indicative of a failed state? Answer please.

Three - the rest is clearly rubbish too. Who has ever successfully argued that anything else you listed is indicative of a failed state? Answer please.

You've got no idea what a failed state is and you're ranting. That's why you fell to be ignored.

NPikinGidi: Your response is not compulsory. Regardless you have responded by showing irrelevant pictures as usual that are lacking in evidence to rebut the strong irrefutable facts I have made. It's your well known pattern. You have again shown more of your intelligent emptiness than at anytime before now. Well done boy. Failure in a failed mind in a failed South Africa of light, cameras and action!

Is that why you were demanding it? Because it's not compulsory?

I simply ignored you points for one simple reason - you seem to believe a failed state is one with problems.

Obviously - you don't know what you are talking about.

Msauza: There is absolutely no wrong that I have done.

There's absolutely nothing wrong that any South African has done. People have simply reached the end of their retorts (and Agaugust - the end of his career here), so they think they will deal with it by calling people babies.

ebankole: YOU MEAN TO DEVELOP NIG.EXACTLY MY POINT,THIS IS EXPECTED COS NIG IS DEVELOPIN WHILE S.A IS A DEVELOPED COUNTRY.

So why waste everyone's time denying it? Foreigners come to Nigeria to develop it (i.e. do something significant); and they take your money. We have just wasted 20 minutes on something we agree on.

ebankole: NOW TELL ME WHO'S RULING WHO NG HAS GOT THE DOO WHY FOREIGNERS TROOP INTO NIG TO SERVE UNDER AGREEMENT-dootalkin

Foreigners come to Nigeria to take your money.

Simple as that. 100% true.

ebankole: LOL

Domiiii what? u Are kiddin right?

HOW?
what an illusion state of mind hmmmm

100% true. Everything of importance in Nigeria requires a foreign footprint. Even your biggest problem - electricity - will be solved by foreigners. That's how useless the country is.

ebankole: Come to think of it the so called liberated nation is even dominated by fufun minority.
I pray MAndela last longer else the unity of the so called free s.a..

While Nigeria is dominated by South Africa, China and others. A much sadder state, methinks.

agaugust: https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/16105788.jpg

This is a spaza shop. It's like a South African tea room

agaugust: its not a south african forum.

See that's why you people will never get anywhere. You believe there's something territorial about a website. In other words, the owner of this website cannot grow outside Nigeria, because this is "Nigerian".

Well, if it is so Nigerian, maybe South Africans should not find things to comment on? Perhaps? But seeing as there's South Africa in every single page here, well - you will deal with South Africans.

Quoting the angry man on the left. I shall call him Okonkwo:

"We have never seen one month of constant power"

"We need air conditioning"

In a hot country like that? There's an air-conditioning problem?

Stinky poo, I say!

agaugust: he has read it, he believes it, but he will deny it. i suggest people just ignore @CraigB, he might also be a partial p.sycho medical miss-road.

You have been washed away from the face of the earth, since you repeatedly blundered on military basics all week - starting with that F-7 jet disaster. You cannot talk, for at least half a century.

CraigB: Another opinion.

Something Rotten in the State of Lagos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPkbjz8pwW8

It does not get more man-in-the-street than this. This is the true state of Lagos.

drag_on: @craigB
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/poverty-threshold-in-nigeria-myth-or-reality-/147595/ pls read it completely and slowly absorbing everything, if you spout rubbish i will not reply.

You have exposed yourself, like Agaugust. You tried to dismiss the opinion of what you call "a journalist", but you want me to read a "This Day" link. What's with that contradiction in terms? Desperation, perhaps?

He clearly sanitised it. That much is obvious.

drag_on: @craigB that post does not make sense read my post again.i said i quote our people,your quote comes from the world bank,which was requoted by a journalist.

I quote a commentator, who has sat down to think. You don't like what he has to say, but are happy to accept Agaugust's "world-bank-rejects" nons*ense, which has not been sanitised.

You then dismiss your commentator in preference of what the man on the street has to say.

You don't have faith in your educated people. He took the world bank report and sanitised it. That much is obvious. His assessment is far better than anything you could find in the street.

patriot4: I Wonder if the South africans know that most of us don't read their comments anymore.
Life is too short, so no need to waste time with illogical kids.

You've been singing that song all week. Yet you keep coming back to respond. You're just upset that all the lies have been washed away in recent days; and all you're left with is your economic refugee self hanging by the neck off the Eiffel tower.

drag_on: @craigB the deference between my post and yours is that one quotes international agencies (your post)while the other quotes the man on the ground

Which statement only goes to reinforce what we are saying: Even you don't have faith in the competence of your commentators, as you have clearly demonstrated. You'd rather go "abroad" for opinions.

Another opinion.

Something Rotten in the State of Lagos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPkbjz8pwW8

agaugust: https://www.toledoblade.com/image/2011/11/29/300x_b1cCM_z/Poverty-Line.jpg

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[size=16pt]this settles the debate. thanks

Another rub*bish assessment from a fake researcher.

First off, the word bank rejects your ability to collect reliable number. This is an indictment and not something to brag about.

Secondly, here is an opinion from a fellow Nigerian. Written only two days ago.

Read it and weep:

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Nigeria’s soaring unemployment and poverty rates

JUNE 19, 2013

“Poverty rates remain high in Nigeria, particularly in the rural areas.”

—World Bank in its ‘Nigeria Economic Report’ May, 2013

The World Bank on Monday, May 13, 2013, released its economic report on Nigeria. What do we have? A less than complimentary report about my dear country! To my mind, the report largely reinforces what many genuine Nigerian economic analysts have been saying. I have said several times that what Nigeria has been experiencing is growth without development. There is just no way a country experiencing high inflation, unemployment and poverty can be said to be developing even if its economic growth is in double digits.

True, as the World Bank observed in its report, “Nigeria’s annual growth rates that average over seven per cent in official data during the last decade place the nation among the fastest growing economies in the world. This growth has been concentrated particularly on trade and agriculture, which would suggest substantial welfare benefits for many Nigerians. Nevertheless, improvements in social welfare indicators have been much slower than would be expected in the context of this growth. Poverty reduction and job creation have not kept pace with population growth, implying social distress for an increasing number of Nigerians.

Progress toward the fulfilment of many of the Millennium Development Goals has been slow, and the country ranked 153 out of 186 countries in the 2013 United Nations Human Development Index.”

The World Bank further notes that “Job creation in Nigeria has been inadequate to keep pace with the expanding working age population. The official unemployment rate had steadily increased from 12 per cent of the working age population in 2006 to 24 per cent in 2011. Preliminary indications are that this upward trend continued in 2012.”

However, if one may ask, do we need the World Bank to tell us this? If anyone will pontificate about Nigeria’s deplorable economic situation, should it be one of the architects of that misfortune? Recall that it is these Bretton Woods Institutions, that is, World Bank and its sister, the International Monetary Fund, that first sold the idea of Structural Adjustment Programme to the then military government of Ibrahim Babangida in 1986. What were the fundamentals of SAP? Devaluation of currency; rightsizing and downsizing of the workforce; privatisation and commercialisation of government enterprises, etc. These are the pills forced down the throats of Nigerians by the military junta under the influence of the World Bank and IMF in order to access loans and grants. Ironically, it is the parlous state these economic policies have led us that the same World Bank is turning around to criticise. Anyway, the message is more important than the messenger.

It is worth reiterating that there have been more job losses under this administration than are created. Here, I do not mean at the federal level alone, even at state and local government levels as well as the private sector. Since 1986, when the words, “rightsizing” and “downsizing” crept into our national lexicon, we have not yet done with it. Many private enterprises have closed shop in Nigeria due to the high cost of doing business in the country. Individual entrepreneurs find it difficult to access soft loans at affordable interest rates. Often times, the interest rate is in double digits ranging from 15 to 20 per cent and above, yet you need to provide collateral, submit business plans and meet a long list of requirements. If you are eventually successful in accessing the loans, renting or leasing an office is very expensive. I live in a satellite town in Abuja where a small shop goes for between N500, 000 and N1m, depending on the location and size. This is the principal sum; you have to pay other service charges such as electricity, water and local government licensing fees. If you hire employees, you have to pay salaries. For you to break even and subsequently make profit in such an enterprise, you will need to fully stock your shop or provide affordable services otherwise your business failure is guaranteed. I have only spoken about a small enterprise, mostly in the informal sector. The challenge increases for medium and big enterprises.

There is the need to interrogate many jobs referred to by the government as employment opportunities. In my opinion, there is actually under-employment. Take for instance the glamourised SURE-P and other youth employment schemes embarked on by some of the state governments where graduates of tertiary institutions are recruited as street sweepers and traffic managers only to be paid N10, 000 a month. This is pure under-employment. There is also increasing casualisation by many public and private companies. Under this inhuman policy, eminently qualified personnel are recruited under conditions similar to slavery with peanuts as salaries and without any other welfare packages such as health, transport, housing allowances, leave bonus etc. This is one phenomenon that is being fought by the workers’ union of the Power Holding Company of Nigeria as government works towards consummating the planned privatisation of the company. A similar practice obtains in the banks, oil companies, telecommunications companies, among others. This is tantamount to under-employment as the workers in question do not get commensurate wages for their services. The glut in the unemployment market has made this to be an attractive option to many government and private corporations.

I couldn’t agree more with the submission of the World Bank that, “In sum, statistics on poverty and unemployment in Nigeria, together with other direct indicators of welfare, suggest a story that is rather different from the national accounts data. The GDP growth has not been sufficient to support levels of poverty reduction and job creation necessary to prevent a growing number of poor and unemployed (underemployed) Nigerians.”

The World Bank is on point in its suggestion that, “It is imperative that Nigeria finds a recipe to unlock rapid growth and job creation in a larger part of the country, as well as to increase standards of education, health, and other social services to enable its citizens to find gainful employment in the emerging growth poles.” There is no two ways about it; gainful employment will drastically reduce poverty. No one is under any illusion that only the government holds the recipe to fight unemployment and poverty. However, government needs to provide the enabling environment that will make the private sector, not necessarily the organised private sector but the informal private sector, the cottage industries, the artisanal service providers to thrive. If there is significant public electricity supply, it will reduce the cost of doing business drastically as many welders, hairdressers, barbers and other artisans will find it easier to ply their trade. Once the government can help bring down the cost of doing business through appropriate policies inclusive of low interest on loans, provision of critical social infrastructure and adequate security of lives and property, the problem of unemployment will abate and likewise poverty as the dependency ratio will also reduce

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agaugust: nigeria has one of the fastest growing economies in the world at 7% a year

"Fastest growing" does not mean "grown". Big difference.

Facts aren't going to be changed by this.

patriot4: Brother, you have tried. The problem is that there seems to be no moderator. Some kids from one sex crazed country think that they can rewrite history and defy logics on this forum.
What a pity. Nairaland should know that these kids are only trying to run it down.

Admitting defeat, as you should. You didn't need a moderator when Agaugust was in his heyday, along that other All4 person. Now that he's fallen, having succumbed to the sword of debate, you are crying for a moderator.

We see you.