When said behind a super harsh insult, it makes it seem like its okay.
Can also be used as an awesome come back and make the insulter feel like a slowpoke.
Said with much emphasis. Damn, Johnny you are such an idiot! God bless your soul. Liz is such a two-faced hoe. God bless her soul. Wow, what a dick. God bless her soul.
Adam: Wow Carol, you are so retarded. Carol: Oh, God bless your soul.
NaijaPikinGidi: At the sighting of Naija in any form or combination ... certain kids on the thread get so afraid and paranoid! Quite interesting to see how relieved this kid at the prospect of a double departure from the thread! NaijaPikinGidi remains right here in front of your bloodied face!
All4Naija, We know it's you. How come the two of you are ALWAYS here at the same time anyway?
I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contributed in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.
The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.
I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.
Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.
1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.
2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your contributions.
3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.
To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.
After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.
On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.
Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa
Thank you all.
P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.
Are you going to jump off the Zuma rock, or will you come back as All3Naija this time?
Hey - it's not a disclaimer if you aren't disclaiming anything. Since when is a goodbye a disclaimer?
Naai-gerian universities lol
Oh, by the way - will you file a "disclaimer" for the NaijanPikinGidi profile too; or will that one remain on the thread?
All4Naija - last seen in the vicinity of the Zuma rock. He stormed off the Naai-raland forum after an encounter with a few nasty South Africans. Never to be heard from again
chris365: do you think reading is about spelling out words go and learn how to read abeg and stop fooling yourself. i have a job (unlike you) and i now realize you are too low for me. so don't ever expect a response from me again cos i wouldn't like to reduce to your level. gudnite
Give me the post. My post where I apparently said it and let the world decide what I said.
patriot4: Shall I understand you didn't get the meaning of "UN legal backing" ? Your question was not about AFISMA having been authorized by a resolution, it was about Nigerian police having been authorized by a resolution. And I showed you your question was foolish. And please learn how to read, AFISMA is already over, it is MINUSMA now.
You denied the existence of the resolution. You said it doesn't exist. The resolution is the only legal source of authority. There's no other. It's common cause that there would have been UN legal backing. I simply asked in what form was it. Under which covenants, I asked. In response, you should have said - the 2013 Mali resolution by the security counsel of the UN.
But you did not - because you had no clue. You just posted videos and videos and videos. You are a parrot!
chris365: my fellow Nigerians, before i go, let me leave you with this important information i was keeping for myself.
The SA National Defence Force is on the verge of collapse.
With dwindling budgets, an exodus of highly-skilled technical staff and reduced spending on training and equipment, the defence force - according to military experts - can barely meet its constitutional obligations.
Increasing international demands and frequent internal deployments - such as the recent presidential announcement of the deployment of hundreds of troops on crime fighting operations over the next four months - is putting further strain on the already overstretched armed services.
The army has nearly 2000 troops on peacekeeping missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, and military trainers in the Central African Republic and the DRC.
The defence force has military observers deployed under the AU and UN flags in Ethiopia and Eritrea. The navy has a frigate, and air force personnel and aircraft, in the Mozambican channel and Mozambique deployed on anti-piracy operations.
Military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the defence force was now collapsing.
"We have huge sections of the budget spent on salaries, with equipment and training left lacking. We are hopelessly short on manpower - 20000 troops too few - and porous borders that cannot be guarded properly," he said.
"We have pilots who can't fly [sufficient] hours, troops who have been given limits on the amount of ammunition they can use in training, and equipment, such as our frigates, which cannot be maintained because there is no proper budget.
"The defence force is collapsing. If drastic action is not taken soon, in the next three years it will be beyond recovery."
The Defence Department received just over R34-billion last year from the Treasury. Its current budget of R37-billion is expected to increase to R39-billion in the 2013-2014 financial year. Professor Renfrew Christie, dean of research at the University of Western Cape, said the military's budget needed a drastic increase.
"We spend 1% of our gross national product on defence. We need a military capable of looking after our country with the time now coming to increase spending to 2% of GDP," Christie said. "To do our duty, we need a bigger and better equipped military. The option of downscaling our involvement north of our borders is not an option.
"Protecting our country and its borders is far bigger than just putting up fences," he said.
Retired admiral Chris Bennett, the former naval chief of staff, said the massive "poaching" of technical staff had led to numerous crises in the navy.
"Our military, especially on the technical side, is being bled dry by both public and private industries, as well as by foreign militaries.
"Though the navy until now has managed to stay afloat, things are beginning to bite," he said.
it has occurred to me that we have been arguing with a weak country that pretends to portray itself has being strong. this is the main reason why seleka used their soldiers as target practice, and are about to be served as brunch to M23 rebels in DRC.
how can this kind of military take on Nigerian military with shiny weapons they have no personnel for? i'll leave you to have your say from the article.
Weeeeeaaaak !
Nothing new! Posted before and dealt with many pages ago. Try another one.
Helmoed Heitman himself has been discussed to death here
patriot4: @Bcraig, I am not here to educate you, if so then you must pay me a salary. And I certainly don't want a salary from you, so I'm off.
No - you are here to expose your lack of knowledge, apparently
You denied the existence of a resolution and I had to give it to you. Yet, you started the topic.
Now you have ignorantly suggested that France, a mere country, has given authority to AFISMA. Well, if you'll make such a shocker of a statement, back it up! Or else, admit you are in way over your head. You don't know what it is you wax lyrical about.
Oh, about being educated, last time I checked, Agaugust said he wants posts with educational value. Now, the prospect of educating someone irritates you?
Resolution, please - no stories. How on earth did France get the superpowers to hand authority over to AFISMA? Are you that much of an inferiority complex victim?
chris365:SA police officers caught on tape taking bribes, performing sexual act (WATCH)
A South African policeman has been caught on video accepting money from a man on whom a policewoman then performs a sexual act for money. The 20-minute video was recorded in a parking lot near the East Rand Mall, in Boksburg, at 3 a.m. on Saturday, and a copy was sent to police Thursday, Beeld reported.
The video allegedly shows a bribe taking place, followed by a policewoman unzipping a motorist’s pants and performing a sex act on him. “The content of the video is very disturbing and has warranted the management to take immediate action in terms of the SA Police Service (SAPS) disciplinary code,” said the police’s Brigadier Neville Malila, City Press reported. “Internal disciplinary processes are under way, as prescribed by the regulations and policies of the SAPS.” He said the officers were suspended Friday.
Gauteng provincial commissioner Lt. Gen. Mzwandile Petros said there was no place for corrupt police officers in the service. “The message was clear since 2010: If you are corrupt, leave the service or you will be arrested, but leaving the service will also not stop us from arresting you.”
South Africans are frustrated with the country’s police force, widely perceived as corrupt and incompetent. Most shocking have been the recent incidents of brutality and violence, including the dragging death of Mozambican taxi driver Mido Macia in February, and the police shootings of 34 people during a wildcat strike at the Lonmin platinum mine last year.
An official inquiry into the mine incident is continuing. There has also been trouble at the highest echelons of the police service, with the previous two national police commissioners both fired from their jobs — one of them for dodgy property deals, while the other was sentenced to 15 years in jail after being found guilty of taking bribes from a convicted drug dealer.
In 2011, 630 police officers were arrested in Gauteng province alone, mostly for fraud and corruption, the Globe and Mail reported. Here is a portion of the video from Beeld, allegedly showing the bribe and the policewoman with the motorist.
so what is craigB bragging about when their police is far worse than NPF?
Weak!! Try again!
Bribes in the SAPS are an issue all South Africans know about. But we didn't run around claiming our police service are world beaters. Nigeria did. So, your link helps you in no way. Pull another stunt
The primary argument (lest we forget) is that Nigerians talk with no results (as argued by Kwame and his political analyst).
patriot4: You keep talking because ridicule doesn't kill. We have proven every thing you said to be wrong and childish, yet you keep talking. The facility was renovated by army enginears, those guys never stop their job before it is complete.
Answer the question - did you renovate on a limited budget or not? Simple question.
Remember- the primary argument, which you are trying to deal with - is that you are broke.
So the question is simple - is this on a limited budget or is it on a full budget?
patriot4: First of all AFISMA is not a UN mission, AFISMA is a regional mission with UN legal backing and foreign and western funding. And, no it wasn't the UN which handed over to AFISMA, it was the French after they had finished their mission. And now it is a UN mission codenamed MINUSMA. I'm off, get up to speed.
Don't be silly Ok.
You are talking about things you are clueless on.
The Mali mission is Africa led i.e. AFISMA.
AFISMA has to be given authority by the UN, which was done in terms of the resolution posted - which you obviously haven't read, since you didn't even know it existed.
Ok - tenth time lucky, I hope - may I please have a copy of the resolution in terms of which the French handed authority over to AFISMA (as you allege ever so boldly)?
No videos. No stories. Just the resolution please.
chris365: you must be clueless to realize that this picture was taken when work was still going on. you are really empty
Excuses. Even then, this is not "first world standards", as alleged by you guys. Accept that you renovated on a limited budget. There's no shame in that. Are you going to deny that you renovated on a limited budget?
patriot4: Some how, you must realise that you are not making any sense and that you are sounding more and more rediculous. First of all, there is no UN resolution saying that your police will be in Mali. If your police fits the criteria for the UN mission then the UN will let it do the mission. The UN actually asks for a certain number of men and Equipment, then member countries provide them, given that their men are qualified. The UN has certified that the Nigerian police is qualified, if not then no mission. Our police also does AU missions. All this in war zones. They are doing missions your military can not do. God! if you don't know you are ridiculous then you are a sympleton.
hahaha - see, point proven !!!!
You do not know what you are talking about
You were parroting !!!
There is such a resolution. Here it is below. Your police are in Mali under the auspices of AFISMA. It is AFISMA that made the decision, because authority was handed over to AFISMA by the UN. The resolution says - "AFISMA military/police". The resolution says "authority handed over to AFISMA"
Do not parrot things that you do not understand, Patriot4. You will get mindFooked.
patriot4: It is getting hard to talk to you: that documentary was made before the renovation. If you had half a brain, you would have at least tried to find out the date on which it was made.
Did you renovate the systems too?
Did you? That's a big component of the video. Deplorable systems. Can renovation help the fact that your future officers were fighting over a head of fish?
patriot4: It is getting hard to talk to you: that documentary was made before the renovation. If you had half a brain, you would have at least tried to find out the date on which it was made.
I hope you are intelligent enough to know there is no argument in that post of yours.
As there is nothing first world in this...
I repeat - "first world standards" was the allegation.
patriot4: I don't think he knows how ridiculous he is. He was asking me about the "legal" reason why our police would be in mali, central america, Darfur, Liberia, Haiti, while the answer was in the videos I posted. The answer for darfur was AMISOM. But the i.diot doesn't know what AMISOM means. I thought he was intelligent enough to find out that he already has the answer of the questions he was asking, but he continued asking. I think there is a spider in his head.
The legal reason is a security counsel resolution passed on the subject (seeing as you need a lecture) and nothing else.
I don't see the resolution in any of the things posted.
May I have a resolution please - showing that your police are entitled to be in Mali. Please.
If you don't have it, then you spoke about something you can't possibly back up.
patriot4: During an inspection of the college last Friday by the Special Adviser to the President on Performance, Monitoring and Evaluation, Professor Sylvester Monye and the Inspector-General of Police, MD Abubakar, the Commander, Army Corps Engineer, Major General Funso Owonibi disclosed that the renovation work was 95% completed, revealing that work would be completed and handed over to the Police, in two weeks.
Explaining further he said, “ We got a marching order to move in here to rehabilitate the affected buildings, 35 in all, and we mobilized immediately. Specifically from 8th of February, we started mobilization and after that, we started demolition and the end result is what you are seeing today.
As at the time we came, the buildings were in a very terrible state. Channels Television revealed the state to the whole world. But today you can see the level of transformation. We were given four months duration. We still have about one month to go. But in two weeks time, when we shall be handing over to the Police, we will still have two weeks left to the ultimatum. The job is more than 95 % completed. The final work has been completed but all that is left is the second round of coating and the additional work we are doing is what will keep us till that two weeks. For instance, we are doing land scalping.”
He, however, clarified that only one building was pulled down while renovation work was carried on others. Areas renovated, according to him, included the toilets, bathrooms, residential units, cafeteria, dormitories amongst others. The hostels, according to him, were fitted with fans, louvres changed to slid windows and roofs replaced.
“ There was a building that has structural defect and a new one was built. Furniture items like beds and wardrobes were built for trainees. We fixed 2000 beds. But we exceeded the initial specification where we felt it was appropriate. We sank five boreholes and rehabilitated three, “ Owonibi said.
Expressing satisfaction at the job he described as’ well done’, Special Adviser to the President on Performance,Monitoring and Evaluation, Professor Sylvester Monye, explained that the purpose of his visit was to inspect the level of work done so far. “ The President visited here on 13 of January,when it was in a terrible state and he committed to fixing it. What is interesting is not just that he has fixed it but the speed with which he has fixed it. What we have done is to explore our internal resources using the expertise of the Nigerian Army Corps Engineers and they have demonstrated their capacity without any doubt. So, we are very excited about that.
“I feel good because if you go right inside the hall, you will see the pictures before and the pictures after. And if you are a Nigerian, you can’t but feel good. Something very fundamental has happened, as this is the first time in over 30years that this place is getting a face lift. This shows that the president’s transformation agenda is working,”Prof Monye stated.
Lamenting the poor maintenance culture of Nigerians, he however assured that funds would be made available annually for the maintenance of the college, with a view to preventing it from returning to its former state. Although he admitted that the college might not be like those obtained in the western world he expressed optimism that with the current measure taken by the president, it would reach the standard.
“ We have opportunity to kit it to the standard you are thinking of. But the question now, is, is it habitable? Is it in a condition that you as a Nigerian will be comfortable with? The answer is yes”.
chris365: guy the boy doesn't know how to read. i just discovered it. he ask for resolution that backed NPF in peacekeeping operations and i gave him the full resolution and he begged me to read it for him
even after i explained that i made the particular answer bolder he still couldn't read. am not sure he'll be able to understand what you just wrote. another proof of SA failing education sector
Where did you give me the resolution? You gave me a 1992 lecture for me to read. Do you know what a resolution is?
chris365: go and learn how to read. i can't do that for you. if you can't read the article then your parents need a refund from your failing education. so if you like spend a millennium waiting for me to babysit you. dullard
YOU STARTED THE BLOODIE TOPIC !!
Clearly, no resolution is forthcoming. I'm not going to waste my life away reading a 1992 lecture on peacekeeping. You need that. I need a resolution. Not yada-yada.
You spoke about something you know nothing about.
You have no idea how your hungry police got to be in Mali.
You just heard people saying it and you parroted it here, trying to impress.
Typical.
Now, moving along (unless you want to produce the resolution?) - how does all of this talk address the state of your being broke again?
That was the main topic, wasn't it. That's what you were trying to deny?
chris365: you must be an illiterate not to be able to read and understand that article i posted. and i made it clear with the bolder yet this is how far your reading abilities can take you.
i had to post the whole article so you won't stress yourself looking for the source. guy change the subject cos that college was the only messed up training college and it has been fixed by the NA engineers. stop fooling yourself and read what i posted. dummy
your police is only good at modelling with poor performance. look at how they even handled the oscar pistorous case that they almost messed up. a murder scene i would have articulated. even the officer incharge of the case is facing a murder case. is that how ridiculous your police is
Still wasting my time. Clearly you need to be guided. WHERE IS THE BLOODIE RESOLUTION?
Are you that challenged that you post something that you cannot back up.
Give me the resolution and not stories.
The sooner you do that the better. I am eager to move on to talk about your hunger situation.
So please - the legal basis for your police's presence in Mali - may I have it.
Don't give me a lecture. You started the topic. Now finish it, since you know it al.
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A/47/277
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Distr: General 17 June 1992 Original: English
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Forty-seventh session
An Agenda for Peace
Preventive diplomacy, peacemaking and peace-keeping
Report of the Secretary-General pursuant to the statement adopted by the Summit Meeting of the Security Council on 31 January 1992
Introduction
1. In its statement of 31 January 1992, adopted at the conclusion of the first meeting held by the Security Council at the level of Heads of State and Government, I was invited to prepare, for circulation to the Members of the United Nations by 1 July 1992, an "analysis and recommendations on ways of strengthening and making more efficient within the framework and provisions of the Charter the capacity of the United Nations for preventive diplomacy, for peacemaking and for peace-keeping./1
You are wasting my time.
I didn't ask for a lecture on peace keeping. If I wanted to read a book, I would have. The question is simple: Nigerian police are in Mali in terms of what? Simple question. If I have to ask it ten times, my conclusion remains.
Once you are done answering that, you and your friend Patriot still have the main issue to deal with. Losing your top wont help!
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Yes - that little exercise serves to demonstrate that you are posting things that you know nothing about - about your very own police. You can't answer basic questions about a topic that you started.
Seeing as I'll wait a lifetime, it's back to the main point:
Whether or not you serve on the UN is irrelevant. We, the people of the world fund your missions. So, you can't tell us that by virtue of your serving, you have then proved yourself to not be hungry and broke. You still are hungry and broke. UN or no UN. We pay for your missions, but in Naai-geria, -
you are on the brink of collapse
This video was only posted this year - January 2013. Every single things that has been said by the South Africa is captured in this video.
Have fun watching it! Great report! Are these your first world standards?
Yes - that little exercise serves to demonstrate that you are posting things that you know nothing about - about your very own police. You can't answer basic questions about a topic that you started.
Seeing as I'll wait a lifetime, it's back to the main point:
Whether or not you serve on the UN is irrelevant. We, the people of the world fund your missions. So, you can't tell us that by virtue of your serving, you have then proved yourself to not be hungry and broke. You still are hungry and broke. UN or no UN. We pay for your missions, but in Naai-geria, -
you are on the brink of collapse
This video was only posted this year - January 2013. Every single things that has been said by the South Africa is captured in this video.
Have fun watching it! Great report! Are these your first world standards?
patriot4: Nigerian police contingent of AMISOM: http://vimeo.com/57307625 So you've been insulting a police you know nothing about. You are a clown. When you don't know something, don't talk about it.
Easy Tiger. Your link only says: BROLL AMISOM AND SOMALI POLICE FORCE NIGHT PATROL HD
Therefore, the question still stands:
CraigB: Really? Your police do "peace keeping" in other sovereign states? In terms of which international covenants does this happen?
May I have an answer as direct as my question please. In this lifetime, preferably.
patriot4: So according to you, what happened in that video is normal ! OK, I think I am starting to understand why your people act like savages all the time. You people don't know the difference between good and bad. That also explains why you and your likes have been spamming this thread.
Hang on - no need to rush. Relax
Can I please have my question answered:
CraigB: Really? Your police do "peace keeping" in other sovereign states? In terms of which international covenants does this happen?