₦airaland Forum

scipher: really, give us a source

A source of what?

patriot4: We have the biggest police force in Africa, that explains why that kind of problems could take place,

My point exactly - you have numbers and no quality. You have no foundation and you can't feed your hungry mouths.

There's no first world anything in Nigeria.

Don't lie.

agaugust: The south Africans lost out on this thread so they decided to kill it by derailment off topic.

Insults to Nigeria is a favor we are prepare to gladly return.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=botEmqHMHu4

If anything, South Africans have shown you reality.

That's why you are coming back with weak retorts.

This video actually serves to show the difference between Nigeria and South Africa.

Our wrongdoers get prosecuted.

In Nigeria - things get swept under the carpet. That's why you people want to deny the fact that your soldiers are molesters.

That guy absolutely deserved what he got for:

1. Grabbing an officer's gun;

2. Resisting arrest; and

3. Jumping out the car when it was driving off.

Fail !

chris365: you are the dumbest SA i've ever known.
SA has a 50% youth unemploment rate and almost 30% national unemployment rate, does it mean SA is broke?

You'll need a better argument, because the one you just put forward is weak. And you should know by now that angry comments only serve to inspire me.

Naaigeria is not broke because of its unemployment rate.

It's broke because:

1. It can't pay its bills;

2. It can't feed its soldiers;

3. It can't feed its future officers;

4. It wants to dip into pensions.

The social problems like the lack of roads as highlighted by Sahara only serve to remind you village voters that your numbers of buoyancy are cooked. It's growth without progress. You need to grow at at least 4 times your current rate to be healthy. But you steal and pilfer and now you have no money. Even your minister stated clearly that you have lost revenues because of thefts etc (in other words, your status as a failed state is killing you).

Now tell me why you cannot feed your officers if you are not broke? Come up with another argument, boet. All this talk of unemployment blah blah is totally irrelevant.

How did the situation below come about? Answer please. Let's see how smart you are.

You were trying to keep up with real countries by buying guns. Now you've broken your bank balance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHLL-1juoI

kwame tut: @Graigy

Lastly a young idiot was "BRAINWASHED" to think Nigeria has best singers and movie industry. I ASKED HIM TO SHARE WITH US THE LIST OF NIGERIAN "GRAMMY AWARD" OR "OSCAR WINNERS".

I FINISHED THAT IDIOT BY PLAYING SOME MUSIC OF AWARD WINNING ARTISTS, WHO ARE KNOW FOR THEIR TALENT(sing with their real voices not techno).

By the way, those music videos of yours had @patriot4 sneaking in here after hours to listen to the music.

The same @patriot4 who says he doesn't read you

He sneaked in to listen; and then a few days ago this week, he asked for "people on this forum" to please please post jazz music on his jazz thread

drag_on: sahara reporters preminum times,dailytrust why is it that almost all negative news south africans link come from these sources and south africans cant notice it? Even i dont quote democratic alliance (s.a. government opposition)? based link because i understand it can be biased an untrue due to the political taint.If you quote them then make sure you quote other independent sources.

Deal with the content! If you can't do that - you are wasting our time. They have cancelled out all your government's denials.

Now, if you were an educated voter, which you clearly aren't, you wouldn't be so quick to accept what you government is saying. Especially, if you don't keep the government's financial records.

Sahara have been smart enough to support their reports with a coherent argument. You can't dismiss the argument. So you want to dismiss Sahara. The DA is always dismissed via clear, content-based arguments. You have none. Your government has none.

Therefore, Pull the other one!

How do you explain these hungry future officers anyway?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHLL-1juoI

What I like about this comment is that it ties in perfectly with Sahara’s own observations about the uselessness of Naai-gerian soldiers. It’s come full circle.

Sahara on the hapless Nigerian military:
How is the economy working when Nigerian soldiers participating in peacekeeping operations in neighboring countries have to beg locals for food?

As if to highlight the questions Sahara reporters are asking of their government, here are Naai-geria's future officers starving.

Broke nation. Hungry officers. Cheap Chinese jets.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHLL-1juoI

kwame tut: @Patriot4
YOUR PROBLEM IS TRYING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. TYPICAL NIHELLIAN.

Ha ha NIGERIA says no SA must host the WORLD CUP. THE WORLD SAID YES SA HAS HOSTED RUGBY,CRICKET AND OTHER BIG EVENTS WITH FLYING COLOURS. WE HOSTED THE SOCCER WORLD CUP WITH FLYING COLOURS, Nigeria said NO SA can't have a female leader or lead AU. AFRICA said yes to DR NKOSAZANA ZUMA. All in all MIDDLE FINGER TO NIHELLIA.

KEEP THAT JEALOUS MENTALITY ITS TAKING YA'LL PLACES.

Who the fck do u think you're MUDDY

What he doesn't get is that these posts are not meant for him. They are for the benefit of future readers who stumble across this hapless website, like we have. By virtue of these posts, future readers do not have to respond to Naai-gerian garbage.

It's actually a good thing if these people on the forum today do not read the comments. Because in that case, the comments will stand unchallenged until the end of time. Not that the comments could be challenged successfully anyway.

Therefore, if this must be a personal blog of facts, then so be it.

solomon111: Craigb or whatever you are called,Nigeria is not broke.
The minister of finance rubbished the report.
And if i were you, i will stop quoting sahara reporters or premieum times.
Most Nigerians don't take them seriously as they are usually wrong most of the time.
Premium times and sahara reporters are not credible new sources.

Do you keep the government's books? NO.

Therefore, you cannot speak with authority on whether the government of Nigeria's broke or not. You only have media reports to work with - same as us!

It's obvious that your government will deny that it's broke. The question is - what is contained in their denial and how has SaharaReporters responded to the denial?

Well, this is how Sahara responded.

Sahara: Saharareporters received a statement signed by Paul C. Nwabuikwu, a senior aide to Nigeria’s Finance Minister, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, in response to our recent report on the dire financial crisis in Nigeria

 Instead of addressing our factual reporting of the declining fortune of the Nigerian economy, the minister resorted to her accustomed pettiness and name-calling.


She recently exhibited the same trait when she got Yushau Shuiab, a spokesperson for the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA), fired from his job after he wrote an article questioning her lopsided appointments and accusing her of abuse of office.

Ms. Okonjo-Iweala comes across as intolerant of facts, blinded by an ambition to be hailed in foreign circles as the answer to Nigeria’s economic woes, and driven by an excessive opportunism that disdains stark reality. 



We affirm that our recent report, like others in the past focusing on the Nigerian economy, was the product of painstaking investigation, undertaken to expose corruption, lies and deceit perpetrated by Nigerian officials to hoodwink unsuspecting Nigerians that a transformation was taking place in their lives. This website speaks to numerous knowledgeable and reliable sources, in government and out, within Nigeria and abroad.

Their conclusion is that the so-called transformation trumpeted by Ms. Okonjo-Iweala and other functionaries of the Goodluck Jonathan administration is phony. Using their insight into the policies and actions of the government, they insist that Nigerians are materially worse off today than at any time in the recent past as a result of economic mismanagement and large scale graft, the hallmarks of the Jonathan regime.

During Ms. Okonjo-Iweala first tour of duty as finance minister under ex-President Olusegun Obasanjo, she pursued an aggressive debt repayment agenda, handing over more than $12 billion of Nigeria’s scarce funds to repay debts of doubtful origin. To justify that scam against the Nigerian people, Ms. Okonjo-Iweala boasted that, with the debt payment accomplished, Nigeria was in a position to save $1 billion per year, pledging that the monies would be invested in developing infrastructure.

Nigerians now wonder: Where are the $1 billion annual savings Ms. Okonjo-Iweala promised Nigerians in 2006? Where are the roads? Where are the new hospitals? Where are the significant improvements in the state of maternity care she promised Nigerians in 2006?

In 2007, when Ms. Okonjo-Iweala was giving esoteric speeches about the economic magic she and her colleagues were achieving for Nigerians, the exchange rate of the naira to the US dollar was 120 to one; today it is 160 naira to a dollar.
At a 2007 TED conference, Ms. Okonjo-Iweala disclosed that Nigeria had 40 billion in foreign reserves. Today, with rising oil prices in the international market, she admits that Nigeria only has $48 billion in the reserve.

Ms. Okonjo-Iweala has stepped into the role of chief obfuscator on the economy, encouraged no doubt by her ability to get away for so long with deception on and misrepresentation of the true condition of the Nigerian economy.

We, however, refuse to be impressed by her steady string of fictional claims about a supposedly vibrant Nigerian economy.

It ought to be recorded that Ms. Okonjo-Iweala oversaw an era of some of the most reckless acts of corruption and heists of the Nigerian commonwealth in her first four years as finance minister under Mr. Obasanjo’s hypocritical administration. Under her watch, Nigeria attained bogus economic progress where numbers, charts and fake stats were frequently displayed and deployed to fool the unwary and the gullible. 



Meanwhile, under Mr. Obasanjo’s and her noses, billions of dollars of public funds were stolen in the name of “investments” to upgrade Nigeria’s electric grid. She helped to dispense import waivers to dubious businessmen and churches, an exercise that cost Nigeria a fortune.
 
Since Ms. Okonjo-Iweala’s second coming as minister, complete with the bizarre title of “coordinating” minister she crafted for herself, Nigeria’s economic condition has worsened.

 Tell, where is the evidence of economic growth and buoyancy when almost six states of the Nigerian federation have been paralyzed by Islamist insurgency? Where is the sign of economic vitality when half of Nigeria’s oil production is stolen by crude robbers, most of them elements close to President Jonathan? Which foreign investors are pouring money into a country where the electrical grid has nearly collapsed and at a time when the few local industries are moving to countries like Ghana and Benin?

Does Ms. Okonjo-Iweala calculate that most of the “vulture capital” operations run by some of her former colleagues that are selling bonds to Nigeria at cut throat prices can be considered investors even when they are already pulling out their funds and ripping Nigeria apart?

 Where else in the world would an economy grow at 6.5% and yet fail to provide jobs for more than half of its youths?



How is the economy working when Nigerian soldiers participating in peacekeeping operations in neighboring countries have to beg locals for food? [militareeeeee !!!!!!!]


[b]If the Nigerian economy is “sound,” how come workers are being owed salaries? Why have many pensioners not been paid their entitlements after retirement? [/b]What explains the fact that ministries and parastatals have lately not received their allocations? 

If the economy is sparkling, why are Nigerian roads so bad? Why were they not fixed in the years Ms. Okonjo-Iweala has been practicing her economic wizardry? Which economy can survive the greed of a President Jonathan and his inner circle? Today, Mr. Jonathan has pardoned corrupt former governors and other officials that Ms. Okonjo-Iweala condemned in 2007; the pardoned men now sit across the table from the president and his cabinet to further destroy Nigeria.

Which economy can survive such full-throttle promotion of corruption?

The questions for Ms. Okonjo-Iweala are many, but we are content to ask her to provide to the public a profile of the last four years of Nigeria’s so-called foreign reserves? If Nigeria has $48 billion in such reserves and it is a sign that our economy is buoyant, why does Nigeria have to borrow, even if interest-free loans?

Why does the minister designate the foreign reserve in US dollars but the so-called “Excess Crude” account in naira? And if the excess crude account was N5 billion, what was it when Ms. Okonjo-Iweala became finance minister?
 
We are surprised that it took Ms. Okonjo-Iweala several years to understand that Saharareporters is “activist media,” a tag we wear as a badge of honor. Our mode of reporting scrutinizes official versions of events; we question the actions and policies of government officials; we have developed an ever-growing network of sources who avail us of the innermost secrets and deals of those in power because they trust us to report fearlessly and to protect their identity; we believe in speaking truth to power; and we always crosscheck statements made by sources before publishing accounts. We continue to demand openness and transparency in the conduct of governmental affairs; and we demand that Nigerians be allowed to feel the impact of any so-called economic growth, not in carefully manipulated press statements, bar charts and economic ratings and projections, but in the manner it impacts positively on their daily lives.

Ms. Okonjo-Iweala may lash out all she wants and choose to operate as an economic hit-woman, but we are not fazed. We will continue to beam a searchlight on her handling of the economy, including calling attention to her hypocritical role in empowering a cartel in the fuel import business, a cartel whose depredations she criticizes in the media when it suits her agenda.

So, as far as I’m concerned, your government’s attempts to rubbish Sahara have themselves been rubbished. Nigeria is broke and Naai-gerians (as has been the case all along) would rather bury their heads in the sand; and buy more cheap weapons from China.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]nigeria : best army infantry in africa...clean record of no defeat, no 'Usain Bolt' [/size]

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Clean records of no real war against any country. Lately - dirty record of molestation and low morale (i.e. crying for mommy).

"We won go bok to Logos"

agaugust: China is the 3rd most powerful country in the world and about 35% of china's air force is F-7 jets, they have almost 400 units of F-7 jet out of about 1,300 total combat jet aircrafts.[/b]

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As expected, yet another rubbish line of thinking by a fake MBA, who couldn't analyse his big toe if it asked him to.

Of course China will have 400 units of the aircraft. That bloodie goes without saying! If they do not use the aircraft, how are they gonna convince losers like Naaigeria to buy it?

Also - being a communist country, they are under an obligation to use their own products. Come, now. SMH.

You claim to be an accountant and an MBA, but you still don't understand that this is about industry and trade. It's not about muscle, which is all you display here.


1. The question is - what else does China stock, in order to make up for the weakness of the F-7? The answer? Lots of stuff! Here's the list. Read it and weep! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force


2. The second question is - what else does Nigeria have to make up for the weakness of the F-7. The answer? Not a lot of stuff! You've been had by the Chinese!

The Chinese have kept all the better aircraft for themselves and exported the cra*ppy F-7 to lower mortals and consumer minded lesser nations like the Nigerians.

You have been sold a dud in the form of the F-7 and Nigeria has become broke and penniless in the process.

And then you have sold us a dud in the form of your fake business school qualifications. You need to go back to the place where you dreamed up your MBA from and ask for your dreams back!

Donian007: JEEZE! SORRY CRAIGB you just misfired, that weblink has nothing in it, doesn't it bother you that you've lost all intergrity and credibility on this thread? The owners of that newsstory has probably found out it was mere propapanda and have erased it. SMH, struggling at all cost to discredit my MOTHERLAND.

You id*ot !!! Do you not know that Naai-ra-land changes r*ape to "molestation". You followed the wrong link, dummy ! What a monkey. You need to change "molestation' to r*ape and the link will work.

But don't worry, here's the text! Works just fine, sorry

Oh, I've bit lyd the link for you seeing as you are hapless, like a true Naai-gerian. Have a look at your molesting soldiers

Here - http://fxn.ws/12apZlS


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Nigerian commission: Credible reports troops kill, torture, rape civilians in Islamic uprising
Published June 29, 2013Associated Press
LAGOS, NIGERIA – Nigeria's National Human Rights Commission said Sunday it has credible reports security forces are killing, torturing, illegally detaining and raping civilians in a fight to halt an Islamic uprising in northeast Nigeria that has killed nearly 2,000 people since 2010.

A report by the commission said troops retaliating against civilians have torched homes and tried to hide evidence of gross violations by disposing of bodies.

In the most egregious case, where troops went on a rampage in several villages after a soldier was killed in mid-April in the fishing village of Baga, it quoted police as saying soldiers "started shooting indiscriminately at anybody in sight including domestic animals. This reaction resulted to loss of lives and massive destruction of properties."

The military said 36 people were killed, most of them extremist fighters. Witnesses told the AP at the time that some 187 civilians were killed.

The commission said the killings also came after militants had ransacked an armory, with subsequent reports indicating the extremists enjoyed an increase in the caliber and quantity of weapons and "had become both more organized and emboldened by their apparent successes despite the enhanced security presence."

That contradicted military reports that they have taken control of the region in a military emergency covering thee states and one-sixth of the sprawling country. Instead, they appear to have pushed the fighters into rocky mountains with caves where it is more difficult to flush them out. The extremists regularly attack towns and villages.

The commission, a government body, issued an interim report saying it would finalize it when its investigators are able to visit the area where soldiers have cut mobile phone and Internet connections. A state of emergency was declared May 14 when the government said extremists from the Boko Haram terrorist group had taken control of some towns and villages.

The insurgency poses the biggest threat in years to security in Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation of 160 million and the continent's biggest oil producer.

Communities trapped between the Islamic militants and the security forces "reportedly live in desperate fear and destitution," the commission said.

It warned of an imminent public health emergency and food shortages because farmers have been forced from their fields.

Food prices have nearly trebled, the commission said, with a 50-kilogram (110-pound) sack of rice selling for up to 18,000 naira ($112.50) from 7,000 naira ($44).

Some medical experts from the region have reported a notable upsurge in sudden deaths, heart attacks and aneurysms, it said.

Northeast Nigeria already presents "the worst statistics of human development in Nigeria generally," it said.

Maternal mortality rates were three times the national average of 545 deaths for every 100,000 live births, and reports reaching the commission suggest the emergency has even more mothers dying in childbirth.

Northeast Nigeria is the poorest region in the country, with government statistics indicating 75 percent of the population lives from hand to mouth on less than $1 a day.

The commission's interim findings corroborated AP reports from the region. Militants who began by targeting government personnel and health workers — they preach that Western religion and medicine are forbidden — are increasingly targeting civilians in attacks on schools and vaccination campaigns.

"The Commission equally received several credibly attested allegations of gross violations by officials of the JTF (joint task force of police and military), including allegations of summary executions, torture, arbitrary detention amounting to internment and outrages against the dignity of civilians, as well as rape," the rights commission said.

"In particular, we have received persistent and credibly attested allegations of indiscriminate disposal of dead human remains by personnel of both the JTF and the Borno State Environmental Protection Agency."

The military and presidential spokesmen did not respond to requests for comment.

agaugust: but he will never find nigerian army in the same low shame class of south african army, or a nigerian president bowing down to an american obama like servant to master.

What happens, I guess, is that he gets ridden roughshod by every single reporter/anchor that interviews him. No respect.

Interviews that he pays money for, by the way. No wonder the nation of Nigeria is broke today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYj9coCZpc8

Donian007: JEEZE! SORRY CRAIGB you just misfired, that weblink has nothing in it, doesn't it bother you that you've lost all intergrity and credibility on this thread? The owners of that newsstory has probably found out it was mere propapanda and have erased it. SMH, struggling at all cost to discredit my MOTHERLAND.

Is that so?

Is that why there is now a war of words with the government? Perhaps the electricity got cut off in Lagos. You are broke! face it.

Here. Read it and weep!

http://premiumtimesng.com/news/140013-okonjo-iweala-saharareporters-in-war-of-words-over-nigerian-economy.html

You rush to buy guns, but you have nothing!

Before you claim, there's nothing - see the text below. I'm not like you - posting fake pictures of South Africa.


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Saharareporters received a statement signed by Paul C. Nwabuikwu, a senior aide to Nigeria’s Finance Minister, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, in response to our recent report on the dire financial crisis in Nigeria.

Instead of addressing our factual reporting of the declining fortune of the Nigerian economy, the minister resorted to her accustomed pettiness and name-calling.


She recently exhibited the same trait when she got Yushau Shuiab, a spokesperson for the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA), fired from his job after he wrote an article questioning her lopsided appointments and accusing her of abuse of office.

Ms. Okonjo-Iweala comes across as intolerant of facts, blinded by an ambition to be hailed in foreign circles as the answer to Nigeria’s economic woes, and driven by an excessive opportunism that disdains stark reality. 



We affirm that our recent report, like others in the past focusing on the Nigerian economy, was the product of painstaking investigation, undertaken to expose corruption, lies and deceit perpetrated by Nigerian officials to hoodwink unsuspecting Nigerians that a transformation was taking place in their lives. This website speaks to numerous knowledgeable and reliable sources, in government and out, within Nigeria and abroad.

Their conclusion is that the so-called transformation trumpeted by Ms. Okonjo-Iweala and other functionaries of the Goodluck Jonathan administration is phony. Using their insight into the policies and actions of the government, they insist that Nigerians are materially worse off today than at any time in the recent past as a result of economic mismanagement and large scale graft, the hallmarks of the Jonathan regime.

During Ms. Okonjo-Iweala first tour of duty as finance minister under ex-President Olusegun Obasanjo, she pursued an aggressive debt repayment agenda, handing over more than $12 billion of Nigeria’s scarce funds to repay debts of doubtful origin. To justify that scam against the Nigerian people, Ms. Okonjo-Iweala boasted that, with the debt payment accomplished, Nigeria was in a position to save $1 billion per year, pledging that the monies would be invested in developing infrastructure.

Nigerians now wonder: Where are the $1 billion annual savings Ms. Okonjo-Iweala promised Nigerians in 2006? Where are the roads? Where are the new hospitals? Where are the significant improvements in the state of maternity care she promised Nigerians in 2006?
In 2007, when Ms. Okonjo-Iweala was giving esoteric speeches about the economic magic she and her colleagues were achieving for Nigerians, the exchange rate of the naira to the US dollar was 120 to one; today it is 160 naira to a dollar.
At a 2007 TED conference, Ms. Okonjo-Iweala disclosed that Nigeria had 40 billion in foreign reserves. Today, with rising oil prices in the international market, she admits that Nigeria only has $48 billion in the reserve.

Ms. Okonjo-Iweala has stepped into the role of chief obfuscator on the economy, encouraged no doubt by her ability to get away for so long with deception on and misrepresentation of the true condition of the Nigerian economy. We, however, refuse to be impressed by her steady string of fictional claims about a supposedly vibrant Nigerian economy.

It ought to be recorded that Ms. Okonjo-Iweala oversaw an era of some of the most reckless acts of corruption and heists of the Nigerian commonwealth in her first four years as finance minister under Mr. Obasanjo’s hypocritical administration. Under her watch, Nigeria attained bogus economic progress where numbers, charts and fake stats were frequently displayed and deployed to fool the unwary and the gullible. 
 
Meanwhile, under Mr. Obasanjo’s and her noses, billions of dollars of public funds were stolen in the name of “investments” to upgrade Nigeria’s electric grid. She helped to dispense import waivers to dubious businessmen and churches, an exercise that cost Nigeria a fortune.
 
Since Ms. Okonjo-Iweala’s second coming as minister, complete with the bizarre title of “coordinating” minister she crafted for herself, Nigeria’s economic condition has worsened.

Tell, where is the evidence of economic growth and buoyancy when almost six states of the Nigerian federation have been paralyzed by Islamist insurgency? Where is the sign of economic vitality when half of Nigeria’s oil production is stolen by crude robbers, most of them elements close to President Jonathan? Which foreign investors are pouring money into a country where the electrical grid has nearly collapsed and at a time when the few local industries are moving to countries like Ghana and Benin?

Does Ms. Okonjo-Iweala calculate that most of the “vulture capital” operations run by some of her former colleagues that are selling bonds to Nigeria at cut throat prices can be considered investors even when they are already pulling out their funds and ripping Nigeria apart?

 Where else in the world would an economy grow at 6.5% and yet fail to provide jobs for more than half of its youths?

How is the economy working when Nigerian soldiers participating in peacekeeping operations in neighboring countries have to beg locals for food? [militareeeeee !!!!!!!]


If the Nigerian economy is “sound,” how come workers are being owed salaries? Why have many pensioners not been paid their entitlements after retirement? What explains the fact that ministries and parastatals have lately not received their allocations? 

If the economy is sparkling, why are Nigerian roads so bad? Why were they not fixed in the years Ms. Okonjo-Iweala has been practicing her economic wizardry? Which economy can survive the greed of a President Jonathan and his inner circle? Today, Mr. Jonathan has pardoned corrupt former governors and other officials that Ms. Okonjo-Iweala condemned in 2007; the pardoned men now sit across the table from the president and his cabinet to further destroy Nigeria.

Which economy can survive such full-throttle promotion of corruption?

The questions for Ms. Okonjo-Iweala are many, but we are content to ask her to provide to the public a profile of the last four years of Nigeria’s so-called foreign reserves? If Nigeria has $48 billion in such reserves and it is a sign that our economy is buoyant, why does Nigeria have to borrow, even if interest-free loans?

Why does the minister designate the foreign reserve in US dollars but the so-called “Excess Crude” account in naira? And if the excess crude account was N5 billion, what was it when Ms. Okonjo-Iweala became finance minister?
 
We are surprised that it took Ms. Okonjo-Iweala several years to understand that Saharareporters is “activist media,” a tag we wear as a badge of honor. Our mode of reporting scrutinizes official versions of events; we question the actions and policies of government officials; we have developed an ever-growing network of sources who avail us of the innermost secrets and deals of those in power because they trust us to report fearlessly and to protect their identity; we believe in speaking truth to power; and we always crosscheck statements made by sources before publishing accounts. We continue to demand openness and transparency in the conduct of governmental affairs; and we demand that Nigerians be allowed to feel the impact of any so-called economic growth, not in carefully manipulated press statements, bar charts and economic ratings and projections, but in the manner it impacts positively on their daily lives.

Ms. Okonjo-Iweala may lash out all she wants and choose to operate as an economic hit-woman, but we are not fazed. We will continue to beam a searchlight on her handling of the economy, including calling attention to her hypocritical role in empowering a cartel in the fuel import business, a cartel whose depredations she criticizes in the media when it suits her agenda.

Donian007: Andreza and his recycling with rag tag magazines. We have dealt with these issues in previous pages and its quite a shame that you have refused to be enlightened and corrected. The funny thing is that none of these writers can provide proof of their reports as none of them have ever been to the hot zones, on the other hand the military have taken some local and foreign media to the hot zones to see for themselves. Premium Times, BBC, Sahara Reporters, Aljazeera, Guardian UK can keep up the lies but it takes a complete fool to rely on these. Andrewza stand corrected.

The typical Nigerian retort. They demand proof to substantiate proof.

Your own bloodie agency says the reports are credible.

Don't waste our time. Your soldiers have no morale. Your soldiers molest and kill and they will never be prosecuted. And worse - your soldiers will lose their pensions because you bought too much stuff and forgot that you had to buy groceries too.

chris365: since all you do is skim through posts to pick what suits you so you can play your trashing game, you should know that i already amswered that question. Check my previous posts cos i don't have time to waste with you. And that you would believe that Nigeria is broke because some stvpid opposition says so (many of our opposition politicians are ignorant) shows how low you think. This clearly explains why you irritate me. And yes a lot of people are reading your posts and i know a lot of them and this is what they think of you: *a dumb child*

No you have not. You wish that you did.

You have no clue what a failed state is. That much is obvious. Think we will soon argue that the US is a failed state, seeing as they have terrorists and the like. The only dumb person here is you. You are arguing about something you are clueless on.

Build the foundation of your argument before aping all over me.

So I ask again - how do the listed things fit within the definition of a failed state.

Of course you will deny that Naai-geria is broke. That's predictable. I've been telling you that you can't prioritise. Something wrong with the Nigerian brain.

Anyway, may I have an answer please. If you don't have one, then get back on the tree that you fell from.

agaugust: F-7 jet compares to SAAB Viggen jet not SAAB Gripen jet.

Andrew did say "F-7 and Gripen = incomparable". Okwonkwo decided to argue.

Thank you.

agaugust: F-7 jet of nigeria costs $15m each, Gripen jet costs $50m each.

We just wasted our lives on an unnecessary argument with Okwonkwo.

agaugust: however, Gripen jet is zero threat to a d.eadly nigerian air defence system as proved on past pages in here april/may.

Rant mode from a nation that's never fought any other country and that is broke today.

all4naija: You are talking about the old variants. The new variants that F-7NI belong to is used by People's Liberation Army Air Force, Pakistan Air Force,Bangladesh Air Force, Korean People's Air Force,Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force,Egyptian Air Force and Nigeria. Many of the countries which are richer than South Africa, militarily and otherwise.

I don't understand your baseless argument about the F-7NI fighter cheap price and crappy nature claim.

Listen here! Read the reviews. It says clearly everywhere you read - there has been not much by the way of change. - A bit of sprucing up here and there, but nothing much. And tell me, is the plane still in production?

The aren't just my claims. They are everyone's claims.

all4naija: Maybe it is different in Zulu currency. I cannot continue to argue over cost of purchasing fighter jest that is absolutely the same in almost all ramifications. The superiority claim of your Grpen jet is a big joke and you are looking at it from the design perspective(less important). You are looking at it from the angle of aesthetic nature,one more pretty than the other, while leaving out their performances.

You have put nothing forward. I have given you reviews. Everyone agrees your plane is ancient. It's for the budget conscious (people with no money).

It's outclassed. It's junk.

Someone was bribed in Nigeria to procure it, perhaps. Or more likely, he placed the order while his brain was at home.

chris365: my brother, you just explained why i had to withdraw from this argument. When you argue with a fool your brain drains to his level and authomatically makes you one.

What dudes like craigB or Bcraig and his demented partner kwame have shown here is a case of intellect myopia.

And it's ashame that south africa boasts of standard schools and am yet to encounter one with sound intellectual capabilites (although i've enjoyed comments from Andrewza)

@oga Henry and Agugust
abeg shine your lens o. Am expecting pictures from you guys on the final day NA will do their parade o. You guys have kept this thread alive to this page even though some olodos tried to derail it

Just answer the simple question and be happy. Don't preach to us. If you have an argument, put it forward. If you don't, yes - withdraw.

We aren't here for your enjoyment.

How do the listed things fit within the definition of a failed state? Simple.

It is NIgeria that is broke today.

all4naija: Lol... The gripen and F-7 cost almost the same. I think you are joking by looking at it from a low budget side. It is clear you have know idea of F-7NI fighter jet.

The total cost of ownership is the same too? Don't fight with me. Fight with the expert reviewers. No place to hide.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052

Chinese production allowed Chengdu to sell their aircraft version to budget conscious shoppers worldwide and many parties took the Chinese up on their offers. The type proved exceedingly popular with elements in Africa...

I quote!!!


It's a cheapie and it's cr*ap..

Not my reviews - everyone's reviews !

drag_on: @andrewza check your sources: dailytrust? premiumtimes? lol those are not credible/trusted/tested papers in Nigeria.They never say anything positive and are sensationalist.To quote them make sure you have multiple sources.Your fox news articles talk about the failure of the 'prison service' and the quick response of the military and the co.za link is down.They prob decided the story is false.

Suppose Fox, The Associated Press and the Human Rights Commission are not "tested" either.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/29/nigerian-commission-credible-reports-troops-kill-torture-rape-civilians-in/

Nigerian commission: Credible reports troops kill, torture, r*pe civilians in Islamic uprising
Published June 29, 2013
Associated Press
LAGOS, Nigeria – Nigeria's National Human Rights Commission said Sunday it has credible reports security forces are killing, torturing, illegally detaining and raping civilians in a fight to halt an Islamic uprising in northeast Nigeria that has killed nearly 2,000 people since 2010.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/29/nigerian-commission-credible-reports-troops-kill-torture-rape-civilians-in/#ixzz2Xpk7SQCP

all4naija: Can you prove that? There is no way F-7 is a joke, my friend. The manoeuvrability of Nigeria's F-7 outperforms that of the Gripen.

According to the military factory, yes - it's a joke of a plane bought by nations with no money

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052

At any rate, the F-7 has more or less seen its best days behind it and, for all intents and purposes, is an outclassed fighter mount by modern standards. - I quote !!!!

all4naija: Lol... The same can be said of Gripen jet fighters.

These are videos below for your viewing pleasure.


1.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6yVU_yYtEc

2.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iToQ2FykoI

That's why I posted comments.

Did you see them? How nice are these stats below? Can the same be said of the superior Gripen? No!

"Chengdu J-7 aircrafts exported as F-7 to other nations. Pakistan was gifted these Made in China fighter aircrafts in return for accepting chinese suzerainty and is losing pilots to these reverse engineered junk Pakistan pilots have crashed more than 30 such aircrafts, in the process 9 pilots from ranks of Fighter Officer to Air Commodore died, some burnt beyond recognition in these chinese flying coffins"

The piece of junk crashes into a village,

"This J-7 fighter plane is antique...hahahahaha!!" - not my comment.

And this one was on a routine training exercise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfe_e19iIPE

all4naija: The specifications of both fighter jets will prove you wrong. You are only looking at the body design to judge both aircrafts. The specifications of both fighter jets as follow:

1.
South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen

(a)Specifications

JAS39 Gripen.svg
Side-view of circular aircraft engine exhaust nozzle, showing two distinct layers

(b) General characteristics

Crew: 1 (2 for JAS 39D)
Payload: 5,300 kg (11,700 lb)
Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in); two-seater: 14.8 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,800 kg[210] (12,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 8,500 kg (18,700 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf)
Wheel track: 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in)

(c)Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at high altitude
Combat radius: 800 km (500 mi, 432 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 15,240 m (50,000 ft)
Wing loading: 283 kg/m² (58 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.97

(d)Armament

Guns: 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon with 120 rounds (only available on single-seat A/C model)
Hardpoints: 8 (three on each wing and two under fuselage) and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets: 4× rocket pods 13.5 cm rockets
Missiles:
6× Rb.74 (AIM-9) or Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
4× Rb.99 (AIM-120) or MICA
4× Rb.71 (Skyflash) or Meteor
4× Rb.75
2× KEPD.350
2× Rbs.15F anti-ship missile
Bombs:
4× GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb
2× Bk.90 cluster bomb
8× Mark 82 bombs

SOURCE


2.
Nigeria's F-7NI Fighter jet

(a)Specifications

Data from Jane's All The World's Aircraft 2003–2004[36]

(b)General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.885 m (Overall) (48 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 8.32 m (27 ft 3½ in)
Height: 4.11 m (13 ft 5½ in)
Wing area: 24.88 m² (267.8 ft²)
Aspect ratio: 2.8:1
Empty weight: 5,292 kg (11,667 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,540 kg (16,620 lb) (two PL-2 or PL-7 air-to-air missiles)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Liyang Wopen-13F afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 44.1 kN (9,921 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 64.7 kN (14,550 lbf)

(c)Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 (2,200 km/h (1,189 knots, 1,375 mph)) IAS
Stall speed: 210 km/h (114 knots, 131 mph) IAS
Combat radius: 850 km (459 nmi, 528 mi) (air superiority, two AAMs and three drop tanks)
Ferry range: 2,200 km (1,187 nmi, 1,367 mi)
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft)
Rate of climb: 195 m/s (38,386 ft/min)

(d)Armament

Guns: 2× 30 mm Type 30-1 cannon, 60 rounds per gun
Hardpoints: 5 in total - 4× under-wing, 1× centreline under-fuselage with a capacity of 2,000 kg maximum (up to 500 kg each)[37]
Rockets: 55 mm rocket pod (12 rounds), 90 mm rocket pod (7 rounds)
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: PL-2, PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550, AIM-9
Bombs: 50 kg to 500 kg unguided bombs
Avionics
FIAR Grifo-7 mk.II radar

SOURCE

"Chengdu J-7 aircrafts exported as F-7 to other nations. Pakistan was gifted these Made in China fighter aircrafts in return for accepting chinese suzerainty and is losing pilots to these reverse engineered junk Pakistan pilots have crashed more than 30 such aircrafts, in the process 9 pilots from ranks of Fighter Officer to Air Commodore died, some burnt beyond recognition in these chinese flying coffins"


Nice video of the thing crashing and killing people ----> http://www.ovguide.com/chengdu-j-7-9202a8c04000641f80000000002096fd

NaijaPikinGidi: Like I promised, I'll be sharing the real sense behind the beautiful university images that has been bandied around for the usual SA style deception. Information that explains once and for all why most of the block head South Africans argue and talk the way they do here. Don't worry there is a military angle to all of what I am about to prove. But before that here is one more chance to have South Africans truthfully rebut the following:

==================================

Pettiness is the gunpowder in the hands of South African commentators on this thread. Cut and paste syndrome in the same people shows readers the level of emptiness and lack of analytical skills common with all recent South African comments or arguments on the thread. Pasting sometimes undated, old, and unreliable data, graphs and charts with questionable sources cannot substitute for well-grounded commentary needed to wage an intelligent debate. Only if CraigB could understand half of his own arguments innuendos.

South Africa is just all about the bling. But here is the zing that they'll keep hiding ... They are ...
:: The only country that plays around with feaces (real shit) in public and on the streets of Cape Town and the Free State in the name of politics.
:: The country with the worlds highest ratio of human inequalities.
:: The country that has the largest informal human settlements with millions living in tin shacks and cardboard houses with walless open toilets.
:: The country where cemeteries are undug to bury extra dead people in majority of poor communities.
:: A country where you need an abyssmal 33% score to pass matriculation exams into South African Universities.
:: A country where poverty is rife that young girls are encouraged to fall pregnant as a means of accessing an "income" via child grants.
:: A country where racial divides constitute a time bomb in all spheres of socio-economic endeavours no matter how colourful the media portrays the rainbow in South Africa.
:: A country with a consistently regressing growth rate and progressing inflation rate.
:: A country so economically and fiscally wasteful in the face of growing poverty that it spends billions of taxpayer cash on ego trips around the world - R1 billion in one week for Barack Obama, R160million plus in 4 months for a clueless and lost mission to CAR, R200million in corrupt and unauthorized construction and fortification of Jacob Zuma's personal family home in Nkandla.

The list of South Africa's failing qualities could go on and on. Again the temptation to play low-life like CraigB and his Ghanaian surrogates will be a waste of time. Pasting statistics without the personal power to critically analyse them only show a person's worst stupidity. So therefore ... by CraigB's own standards, SADC's South Africa is a FAILED state and still falling royally.

You deserve no rebuttal. All4Naija /NaijaPikin

Not until you explain how this fits within the definition of a failed state. A question you can't answer.

Failing that, you're rambling as always. You don't know what you're talking about. Nigeria remains red on the index.

You've even become broke.

http://mobile.saharareporters.com/news-page/nigerian-government-broke-targets-pension-savings

Author: David Carte|

SA mine detector saves US soldiers' lives


JOHANNESBURG - The South-African mine detection vehicle, the Husky, has taken 7 000 hits in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan with the loss of only two soldiers’ lives.

Thousands of US and allied soldiers are alive today thanks to this ungainly vehicle, which looks like an old-time road grader.

No mine or improvised explosive device (IED) has ever caused a fatality in a Husky.

The two fatalities recorded were the result of a hit by a tank-killing rocket propelled grenade and when an insurgent managed to attach a limpet mine to the cabin.

solomon111: You guys have turned on yourselves to the delight of the Southafricans.
Smh.

Explains everything!

Mull over that tonight. I'm working.

Cheers!

agaugust: mexico has economy superior to south africa, unemployment 5%, poverty rate 4%, GDP 3 times more than south africa, yet of mexico's 180 million population over 60 million have moved to america as immigrants legal and illegal !

you are lost in south africa, you dont see outside world, dummy !

And then you think you'll convince us you're intelligent.

Irrelevant rant.

Mexico is red on the failed states index. That explains the movement. Same as in your case.

Wake up, Naai-gerian university graduate.

Wake up!

Look at Brazil - yellow. You're probably the only researcher and MBA in the world who can't analyse his way out of a matchbox.

Msauza: Then, tell me why are you all over the world seeking greener pastures. Since when did you see Americans with population of over 350mil and Brazilians with over 200mil running like headless chickens asking for jobs in other countries. Nigeria is poor, leave with it.

choked on my coffee! I can picture Okwonkwo running around like that.

They say they are intelligent.