GreyLaw:


Hahahaha... aptly put!

Semantics is not the issue, but the ideology behind it, and the real-life implications of feminism.

You know what beats me? Even some church people who have read and listened to sermons on how the order of humanity should be, get online, follow crazy groups and become "radicalised". Yeah, feminism in its behind-the-scenes ideology does that to them.

I stand up for ladies to sit, I give utmost respect to my female bosses, I help them as much as I can, I clamor for their rights, etc. Those are women's rights, and is a far cry from the kind of feminism we see today.

This is in response to the second paragraph.

There are billions of people on this planet. And we all have different cultural and religious backgrounds. Because of these difference, we can't all take the same paths or believe in the same things.

I think it is wrong to spell out how/what/who women should be with just one religion.

It's okay to believe in your religion, I have no business with that. But then the same right you have to follow doctrines, is the same right the other person have to follow another and live a different life.

Live and let others live.

To the second paragraph.

Standing up for ladies to sit, respecting your bosses, helping them — it doesn't solve anything. Yes it's good to be kind, everyone should be kind. But all that you do, it doesn't stop or change the fact that women have been denied rights — women have been assaulted because they are seen as weak/inferior and their rights have been taken from them. By rights, I mean RIGHTS. The right to choose who they want to be and what paths they want to follow. I feel you're focusing on the irrelevant and ignoring the important. Women are still being subjected to domestic abuse and sexual assault, subjected to discrimination in the work place, subjected to genital mutilation, denied education, objectified, bullied. These are serious issues, and standing up for a woman to sit does not fix them. What you're doing, though it's nice, it's insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

We delude ourselves when we try to make ourselves believe females nag when they bring up Feminist views. Women are only pointing out to you what hurts them, and you keep letting them down when you don't take their complaints to mean a thing. You're a man, and you cannot fully understand what women go through, which is why it is so easy for you to dismiss it.

This is wrong. Let's leave religion out of it for a second and be humans for a bit. (Religios answers/views aside, and think independently — I believe you can) Would you like to be treated as a weaker vessel? If your answer is "no", then why would you want another human to be treated the same? "Because she is a woman" is not a good answer. "Because the bible said so" is the worse answer. Why should you treat your fellow human as weak? Why? Think about that for a minute? What's the rationale behind it? Think about it. We can't continue to accept doctrines and not question them.

Leave the bible alone for a second and look at the real world. Rape victims have been forced to marry their rapists. Female children have been forced to marry old men. Girls have been mutilated for silly reasons. Women have been forced to drink the bath water of their dead husbands. Women are being treated this way because society have conditioned them to ne treated like inferiors. (You won't bully anyone who is your equal or take advantage of them). Women go through all these and more and you're still talking about order in the bible and standing up for women to sit? What a joke! We focus on religion so much we fail to see life has been difficult for so many people. One thing is for sure, no one would be quoting bible verses if their daughters, wives, sisters, mothers fell victim of these evils.

We forget that the bible was written in an ancient time, when people still made sacrifices, when a woman is seen as unclean if she gives birth to a female child, when people proceeded to sacrifice their sons. This is the 21st century, why does our thinking have to remain the same? If someine should proceed to sacrifice their sons in this day and age in the name of religion, what would you think of them? Crazy is the word!

But the bible/religion issue is a topic for another day.

But keep this in mind, Feminism fights for women's rights. The right to do whatever as long as they're not hurting anyone. I feel it is wrong to assume that because some women have gone radical (which isn't a crime) Feminism is bad. There are radical males as well, why don't we scold them? Why do we focus on radical women alone? I'll tell you why, because we're not used to seeing radical females. They're unusual, and seem threatening.

Let's live and let live please. We need to start respecting how people, male, female, muslim, christians, jews, live their lives. It shouldn't be our business. We have no say on how the other person want to live their life. Equal rights for everyone! Let's respect it. You can't give a man free rein and put a woman on a leash. It is wrong.

blackberlin:


I thought I quoted someone sound. . .keep talking trash.

Lol okay. Happy Holidays. :-)

blackberlin:


You seem quite pained with the fact that I chosed to hit the nail on the head. Now with reference to your definition of feminism, I agree 101% with any dictionary meaning. But my focus here isn't on semantics, it's actually about the misunderstanding of the original intents of feminism and the extremism being witnessed by these modern feminists. The term ''feminist'' in recent times, is negative and has more to do with extremism than just advocating for women's rights. . . modern feminists are biased in their opinion of what women's rights truly are. I won't keep clarifying things cos there are so many wiki/dictionary checkers here on nairaland, so I don't expect you to see things beyond the dictionary meaning of words.

Now, I don't think I said anything negative about women in general, my focus was on feminist and their abuse of the term. I don't feel threatened by any woman, I seek to encourage them and doff my hat when I see them exceed societal limits. You're the one who is getting overly aggressive without seeking to understand the motive behind my post. So all those childish stuff you wrote on there are not for me, I know what I mean and I'm not forcing my POV on anyone.

Either ways, I still stand by my word that women are weaker vessels (in terms of physicality and according to the supreme eternal order of life).
There's nothing anyone can do about that. . . YOU INCLUSIVE!

LMAOOOOOO!!!! Which nail did you hit on the head please?

Raise you're daughers to be weak. Tell your mom she's weak (no offense meant here, if women are to be the weakers ones in your eyes, then you must understand that you're referring to ALL women). Tell your wife she's weak. Convince your sister's they are weak. But leave other people's daughters, wives, mothers, sisters alone to be whoever they want to be.

You have your views, let other people have theirs.

You claim you're for women's rights and yet here you are, trying to deny them the right to choose a different path for themselves. Not everyone will take the same paths, the fact that you cannot accept this is the problem. It's 2016 and you still think like this? Sad!

You say there's nothing anyone can do about? Deep down you know you only succceded in telling yourself a huge lie. How else would you then explain why we have female world leaders? Female entrepreneurs? Female CEOs? These women, do you think they grew up feeling like weaker vessels? If these women believed the world could not be changed, do you think they would be were they are today?

Your thinking is potentially dangerous to you and to those around you. I'll explain why.

Someday, you'll have a daughter. And I'm sure you'd love to be a father to a great daughter. Try telling her all that you've said when she makes an effort to shatter the glass ceiling and fails as a result of patriachy. Try telling her there's nothing she could do about it when she loses a position shr is qualified for to a less qualified man just because she's female.

I feel most men don't think the benefits of feminism through before bashing it. If you ever plan on having a daughter with solid leaderships skills and the potiential to rule the world, or if you plan on having a wife who would stand up to speak in a room and command the attention of everyone in it, then you should know that your archaic views on women's place in society won't take them very far.

Women are powerful beings, they bring so much to the table and they have the ability to make the world a better place. But most of them never get the chance to do so because they are surrounded by men like you.

Men who try to make women feel small are a disease in the society. I think you need to evolve and try to see things from a woman's perspective. Only then can you understand Feminism.

Have a lovely holiday. :-)

blackberlin:


You seem quite pained with the fact that I chosed to hit the nail on the head. Now with reference to your definition of feminism, I agree 101% with any dictionary meaning. But my focus here isn't on semantics, it's actually about the misunderstanding of the original intents of feminism and the extremism being witnessed by these modern feminists. The term ''feminist'' in recent times, is negative and has more to do with extremism than just advocating for women's rights. . . modern feminists are biased in their opinion of what women's rights truly are. I won't keep clarifying things cos there are so many wiki/dictionary checkers here on nairaland, so I don't expect you to see things beyond the dictionary meaning of words.

Now, I don't think I said anything negative about women in general, my focus was on feminist and their abuse of the term. I don't feel threatened by any woman, I seek to encourage them and doff my hat when I see them exceed societal limits. You're the one who is getting overly aggressive without seeking to understand the motive behind my post. So all those childish stuff you wrote on there are not for me, I know what I mean and I'm not forcing my POV on anyone.

Either ways, I still stand by my word that women are weaker vessels (in terms of physicality and according to the supreme eternal order of life).
There's nothing anyone can do about that. . . YOU INCLUSIVE!

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blackberlin:


Bros, I'm a staunch advocate for women's rights. . . but there's a difference between feminism and women's right and often times, the concerned parties get it all mixed up.

Women's right = not maltreating women, equal human rights, recognition of women's contribution to the society and respecting them as weaker vessels.

Feminism = what-a-man-can-do-a-woman-can-do-better mentality, unnecessary competition with the male gender especially in positions of authority, lack of submission at home and at work, especially when their superiors are men.

Hope that explains it. . .

You just successfully misinterpreted feminism. You need to pick up a book and read about Feminism. Without Feminism, girls wouldn't still be allowed to vote, they will be denied thw right to education, and their only place in society would be to serve men.

Feminism is not "being a man". It is recognizing that women should have equal rights, as well as the right to choose what works for them.

A woman not wanting to be submissive to anyone shouldn't be your business. It's her choice. You cannot force your views on any woman. You cannot expect her to be a certain way and then pretend to be disappointed if she chooses to be different.

You have no right to expect anything from any woman because no woman on this planet owes you anything. They don't owe you submission, they don't owe you the ability the carry out domestic chores, and they sure as hell don't owe it to anyone to be the "weaker vessel". Stop feeling so entitled.

Feminism preaches that it is NOT your place to tell a woman who she should be, how she should be, and what she should be. And you should respect her decisions even if it doesn't work for you. I'm not saying you have to accept it, you have to "respect" it. And if a woman's feminist views doesn't work for you, why don't you just look away? I guarantee you that you will be fine. Do your own thing and let the woman do hers. It is not your business what she does. That is what Feminism fights against, society in general force women to be a certaim way, and this is wrong. When we do this, we're taking away a woman's rights to be whatevet she chooses to be. And the sole reason society does is is to cater to patriarchy, to cater to man and their gigantic egos. Men cannot handle being challenged by women, so they do whatever they can to make women smaller, call them "weaker vessels" so they can sleep better at night. This is wrong and inhumane.

The funny thing? When a guy sees a feminist, he then begins to threaten her with marriage. "I can't marry someone like that. Who will marry a feminist? She will grow old an unmarried woman!"

This is what the average Nigerian man does. He is in the habit of being entitled to things that do not belong to him, and them makes silly threats when they don't work his way.

See, nobody cares if you can't marry a feminist. You wanna know some thing interesting? Feminists are not interested in marrying you too. The kind of man that is threatened by opinionated women is the kind of man feminists do not want.

Chimamanda is a feminist, a happily married woman, and a mother. She successfully paired herself up with an EVOLVED man, who respects her views (who is not scared by these views because he understands his wife's right to them) and they're happy together. She knew what she wanted and she went after it.

People just choose to misinterpret Feminism because they're so used to patriachy and feel uncomfortable when it is threatened.

Why do Feminists scare you? Ask yourself that! What are you so afraid of? That your ego will be bruised? Is your ego the most important thing in the world? Please! Have several seats.

You think Feminism is the problem, and you're wrong. The problem is with misogynist men who think women werr born to cater to them, to be submissive to them, to be weaker vessels. That is the problem. We have men feeling entitled when they themselves are worth nothing!

You cannot continue to treat women like weaker vessels. We live in a world where women are world leaders and you still want to treat them like weaker vessels? Women have evolved. They no longer feel the need to be weak. There are literally millions of women who have achieved so much more than you can ever think of, Chimamanda inclusive, and you still think they are weaker vessels? LMAO! You must like to dream. You're still stuck in old times, bro. You better update yourself, unless women will pass you by. You need to evolve.

In addition, you should learn to live and let other people live. You can decide to marry a woman who wants to be a weaker vessel, and you can decide to raise your daughters to be weak, that's your business.

But don't force your views on women you don't know. Leave them alone! You might not appreciate strong, independent, intelligent, and opinionated women, but there are other people who do. Leave these Feminists for us and take your weaker vessels. We have no interest in weakling.