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cold:
My question is:is it not possible to serve God & still remain humble?What's the purpose of this insane kind of wealth?(not for a private individual but for a man of God).Solomon who was regarded as the richest man in the Bible saw everything and referred to it as vanity of vanities;all is vanity.

Please ask God, hope you know his voice? It is not our fault, we just serve him and keep blessing us. Have you heard of fearful blessings before? God is covenant keeping God.  IT PAYS TO BE FOOLISH AND FOLLOW GOD BLINDLY.

thehomer:
I hope you realize that you are one of the sheep being fleeced not one of the shepherds doing the fleecing. Identifying with the group does not also make you one of the leaders. So avoid Stockholm syndrome.

Whatever name you call me, I think it is the best name in the world and I pray that all my generation after me will follow in that same way.

THANK YOU JESUS FOR YOUR FAITHFULNESS

fxtopedia:
PLS STOP QUOTING BIBLE OUT OF CONTEXT, 

God Knows those who are His, and let Oyedepo and his blind supporter DEPART from INIQUITY.
Bunch of robbers.

This blindness is sweet and I would rather die than to seek for otherwise. INIQUITY---- Please leave that to God.

@dare2think

Man, it pays to be foolish if this is call foolishness. By the way, I'm inviting you to a service @ canaanland. I will pay for your return ticket wherever you are in the world.

OUR GOD IS A FAITHFUL GOD. Please let me know when you are ready, it is not a joke.

REAL TRUTH:
@Ronaldo,,,this is the truth,,,I do not believe God glorifies things like that,,you can not use material things to entice people that you re serving God. I have been under Bishop Oyedepo teaching long b4 he came to lagos,,long before he started the breakthrough seminar that profligated christianity in Lagos in as early as 1991,,for records purpose our usual place of meeting was the Lagos airport hotel,,,The car he drives then was a Nissan salon.
Bottomline is that,,,I do not believe in the things he says any more,,,its the hard truth,,,,with time or years to come you would personally understand better if you can not answer the logic to the question asked by dare2ask,,The truth is that its by asking questions that true christians are known,,A christian who don't ask question is voluntarily walking his or her way to hell,,we live in a perilous times that false doctrine is what defines church gatherings,,,,

I don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you are just to wise "The message of the cross is foolishness to them that do not believe but to them that believe, it is the power of God unto salvation.  I have been a member of the church for over 15 years and I can tell you that my life has been over 1000 times better just by following the teachings of the Apostle of Faith. If it is foolishness, I pray that all my generation be as foolish as myself. It is good to serve God man.

dare2think:
lol the jets are actually 2, It's actually ok to have 2jets, because 4 jets is just wayyyy to much.

Babagida, Obasanjo and the likes should be arrested, they have enslaved the minds of NigerianS (SOME). Phew

Poor jesus, his name is now a mechandise.

The jets are 2 for now but we will buy more as the need arises. If we need more within a month now, we will buy. May God keep you alive to see, you haven't seen anything yet. More universities are on the way, God is set to do unthinkable things, one day we will build our own airport just for winners. Do you think it is joke when bible says "EYE HAS not SEEN, EAR has not HEARD, neither has it ENTERED into the HEART of any MAN what the LORD has for them THAT LOVE HIM, "  It is not your fault, I would probably have behave like you but I am fortunate to be a partaker of Gods grace upon his servant,

dare2think:
if you believe in what you wrote then aswer this, What would Jesus do if he was the one in control of that amount of Money? Buy himself four jets on the pretext that his Father is not a "poor" God?

I wouldn't know exactly how our lord Jesus christ would have gone about it but I can assure you that his priority would be to reach as many souls as possible using the resources at his disposer. This is the major aim of the man of God, he works average of 18 hours a day, studying, praying and preaching the word of Faith to the privilege people like me that are fortunate to have been directed to him by God. The man of God is not after money, his most favourable scripture is "Seek yee the kingdom of God and his righteousness, " But unfortunately for people like you, God is just blessing him because God is pleased with him. Have read about KENNETH COPELAND or you are not interested. He is a minister of the gospel too, do you know how many jets he has given out as gift? God blesses people!!!

dare2think:
Since you are a member and u seem to accept his actions. Pls what is the 4jets for. And how do they conform to the needs of the church?

The jets are actually 2 not 4 as being reported. The one that was bought before was used as part exchange for newer one. They are for the propagation of the gospel. The church is growing at an alarming rate. In the last 1 year we have planted over 3000 churches in Nigeria alone. As the shepherd with the co-shepherd, they need to reach the sheep that are all over the world. Bishop has a very tight schedules visiting up to 3 nations in a week at times. The second jet is to be used mainly by the Vice president of the ministry Bishop David Abioye and the other Bishops. This allow for wider coverage to reach millions of people at the same time. It is not our fault that God is blessing us as a ministry. But if you know you can do anything about it, please try. I'm really interested in the outcome of your trial,

dare2think:
His time will come. Saddam was once unreachable, Hitler was once untouchable, pastor odulele never saw it coming, Ghadafii thought he had absolute power.
Dude we will all answer for our deeds. His time will come. It's inevitable.

You are just ranting, I can assure you that you will wait for eternity. People like you have been waiting since 1996 when the first eagle arrived. The glory of the latter house shall be greater than the former. You just can't beat God, he searches the heart and despite your envy, the man of God will continue to wax stronger in faith glorifying God.

I still challenge you to start a move against the man of God maybe you might be lucky to be alive to share the testimony. Please remember to write your will before you start. The entire witches and kingdom of darkness in ota could not do it. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED

software:
bishop dey buy jet, members dey suffer for food? does that make any common sense?

Who told you that, I can assure you that by the grace of God, thousands of the members of the church can feed you and your family, meeting all your entire families' need without any stress.

dare2think:
dude, that's the difference btw us and the "white" man, they don't wait for God to handle the issue. They address the issue. Hence why they have advanced and left us behind.

Do you think God will come down and solve our issues for us? Politicians will steal, God will judge them, Pastors will steal -God will Judge them.

We have been on this for ages, we our irresponsible government is looking and watching daylight robbery. Look at the revolutions in the Arab countries, Do you think they were waiting for God to Judge their corrupt leaders? The effected the change themselves,
or did you see God leading the protest himself?

Please do something about it, no one, power or principality ever wins battle against God. I challenge you to try whatever you can do against the man of God and please come and share your testimonies here. KENNET COPELAND is an american preacher, google his name and find out more about him. God is no respecter of person or race.

The more you criticize the man of God, the higher he flies  because God is pleased with him. I remembered when the first eagle landed, the noise was all over the place people were abusing and criticizing. Then the congregation was just about 10,000 but today despite the opposition, the church is moving forward and God is pleased with DAVID his servant. Maybe you need to know more about the ministry, we do things in extra-ordinary way because of the backing of the extra-ordinary God.

The ministry open over 1000 new churches within 3 months.

The 50,000 capacity auditorium was built and dedicated under one year

Over 100,000 worshipers gather every Sunday to hear the man of God live @ Canaan Land Ota.

The ministry has over 200 luxurious buses in Lagos alone

The ministry has built 2 universities and hundreds of nursery, primary and secondary. Expect the 3rd university soon.

Have you ever seen any envelope from winners asking for donation from the public?
and many more to the GLORY OF GOD,

Kingdom Wealth is a mystery that is difficult to explain a natural man.

You people have complained too much, do something about the situation if you think you are not comfortable.

A visit to canaanland will turn your life around.

I blessed God for given us such a giant of FAITH in our time.  Unto the LORD BE ALL GLORY.

God is the sender that is behind the sent and he is pleased with his servant. No gate of hell (Including nairalanders) can stand against the church.

Please read about KENNETH COPELAND.

It affords me a great pleasure to inform you that I am one of these so called stupid people that attend Winners Chapel. It is a priviledge to be a member of such a great commission. You people have not seen anything yet, have you heard of Kingdom wealth before? The jets are only 4 today because that is the need for the hour, if it requires buying 3 more, it will be achieved without any stress. To add to your problem, the ministry is in such a state that it can buy plane without budgeting for it.

I was a critic like you before, one day I just said I should check what they are doing there and God tourched me. Over 15 years of being a member of the church, my life has been moving from one state of glory to the other. I don't blame you for critisizing the man of God. It is not our fault either, God just keep blessing us, You are complaining about 4 jets and hanger, the church will one day build her own airport.  These jets are for the work of the ministry and the church is marching on no gate of hell (including nairalanders) can prevail against it.

My Bishop said several years ago that he will consider it a demotion to be Nigeria president while explaining what God showed him regarding the future of the ministry. It sounds stupid them but gradually it is becoming clearer by the day. It is only a fool that doubts proofs. Before you say it can only happen in Nigeria, please read about one of my Bishop's friends, his name is KENNETH COPELAND. just google KENNETH COPELAND or check http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19870/kenneth-copeland .

There are too many educated dummies in Nigeria. People, think with your head!!!!!!!!

That was simply political and people are already falling for it. I want to believe that people that are hailing this pre-meditated political campaign strategy are either being political or ignorant. No wonder the state of the Nation is like this. Let us invest more energy in thinking through situation and happenings around us before drawing conclusion.

Buhari is clueless and he belongs to the very PAST that we cannot afford to witness again.

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chakula:
@all,

our leaders of today understood themselves better than NL GUYS, for you to stated neither goodluck have not seen yar'adua nor -----------------, yet he is commander in chief to the nation, so what next?

Like I mentioned in the other thread, how can someone believe that Goodluck has not seen Yaradua? Who are the people preventing the commander in chief from seeing the president who resides in the same Aso Rock Villa? How can Turai prevent Goodluck from seeing his husband? People seem not to understand that their is unity at the top in this nation. Our so call leaders are united that is why they keep recycling, looting ,

Common Sense tells me that Goodluck has seen Yaradua and is very much aware of the situation of things but he just decline any comment regarding that. Could anybody quote any statement from either Goodluck or any of his aides that suggest that he hasn't seen Yaradua?

Fhemmmy:
It is always nice to go by fact and not by what you think.

Can you please tell me what the facts are? Any prove that Goodluck has not seen Yaradua?? Any prove of what the clerics discussed with Goodluck

Kennyyo:
Narrowminded chuchgoers!!!! If they are not obliged to diclose any info to the people, have you stopped to ask yourselves why they have gone ahead to brief the ag. president on what they saw? Or does divulging the info to just one third party not break the rules you are using to justify them?

"Broadminded" idol worshipper, were you there with them to know exactly what was discussed with Acting President? I still can't believe that people still think that Goodluck has not seen Yaradua. The hungry pressmen are just decieving the public, my instinct tells me that Goodluck is very much in touch with yaradua situation. Don't be decieved by your "broadmind".

Peridot:
wait oooo, i dont understand, was it only oyedepo dat went on the visit, why have the other pastors too not said anything yet
why is oyedepo the only one being attacked here?

It is largely due to envy, many Nigerians are full of bitterness against successful people. It is also because the devil that reigns in them identified that Bishop Oyedepo is a threat to his kingdom and is therefore inspiring them to go against him since he could not be handled spiritually. But like I said earlier the end always justifies the means, just watch the man of God waxing stronger and stronger in faith.

Devil just can't handle some people because of the abundance grace upon their life!

@victorazy

Bishop Oyedepo does not need your pity. U better pity yourself and your family. Most of you are just underestimating the grace of God upon his servant. He is a man that truly loves God and is one of the most successful minister of God that has ever graced this planet. He is so much endowed by grace that every aspect of his life and family is a testimony.

Some of you don't (and would never) understand the mystery of kingdom wealth, which is why you think he became Billionaire by church offering, tithes or bribes.

Watchout, the more you critisize him the higher he flies (Ask Pastor Tunde Bakare).

It suprise me alot how Nigerians reason, Maybe is out of mischievious or pure ignorance but I want to believe the former. Firstly, for people to keep saying repeatedly that Goodluck has not seen Yaradua is pure ignorance. Because Goodluck has not spoken about it does not mean he has not seen him and I strongly believe that he has seen him.

Also on the clerics visit, are you saying that Bishop Oyedepo and others should have turned down request to come and pray for their president that is sick? Were you also expecting the pastors to come back and start describing how sick the president is?? Of what benefit will their so call "confession" be to the nation?

To me, any wiseman will behalf exactly as Bishop Oyedepo behaved here, wisdom is profitable to direct. He visited and prayed for the president of his station, end of story and I believe he would have shared his experience with other PFN pastors for them to join in prayer.

If Nigeria want to know about the state of their president they should do it in whatever way they want and not expect the minister of God to do it for them. NLC can channel all their energy towards IWU and even threatening to go on strike but they haven't done nothing about their big boss whereabout.

Pastors are trained to keep secrets and respect privacy and it would have been a big disappointment if they have acted otherwise.

floriana:
@C Ronaldo

I am amazed that you are labouring so hard to justify your slavery to men. You voluntarily submitted yourself to these men to follow and serve them. No problem. Your servitude has is more honourable than the one that our forefathers were subjected to in the sugar cane plantations of the carribean, for yours is voluntary. You therefore have every right to carry on without trying to convince the rest of us who are sane as to the hows and whys.

Now to your "testimonies". I have to be charitable and say they are completely pedestrian and banal. They can be summarised as follows:

1. Change in academic fortune
2. Purchase of four tokunbo cars
3. Visiting of the five continents (heaven inclusive)
4. Writing a book

I know of a Yahoo Yahoo boy in my neighbourhood whose testimonies resembles what you have just told us. In the last three years he has doubled all your so called achievements. Was it Pastor Oledepo (thief plenty) that made it possible for him too? I was expecting you to give testimonies that are truly inspiring and spiritually uplifting. But all you have to offer are fleshly and common place. Please get a life.

Thank you Mr. Floriana, you have won and may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ continue to abound with you and your household (AMEN). PEACE.

bibiking1:
you really mean this??

Obviously you have acceded the tributes for your initial rise to the intermediary rather than the deity. Exactly my grouse with you guys, borderline obsession is a vile thing!
Bla Bla Bla Bla, ,,,,,,,,,,senseless balderdash! Is this your idea of success? How have you impacted positively on another man's life? By going to 5 "different" countries i gues, or the new SUV,,,,,,


That came as a second thought! , can't see where you first brought this affirmation out? fantastic


you "premeditant",, i am sure you saw it from your hallowed mantle!!

I'm not ready to argue anything with you on anything, I noly share my testimonies because someone requested from it. Also, you should know that there is a clear difference between the TEACHING and the Teacher, read my message again. I mentioned the TEACHING and not the pastor ok, I have never met either of the Men of God one-on-one before. This is not to change your opinion or view but just for clarification. I have nothing to boast about but I'm one of the least of Man until the grace of God found me out. Without his grace, I'm absolutely nothing.

kokoA:
Why are my having a feeling that these pastors all have each others' dark secrets and there are more we are yet to find out. Its a pity.

My Friend, there is nothing like dark secret. If there is any other thing, Pastor Bakare would have said it over the years of voicing out his opinion.

bibiking1:
OMG!!!!!!!!! Beaf now you are getting ideas into my cranial edifice now!
I feel like starting a church! The joy) which becomes absolute at the point of 'sacrifice') derived from watching people getting hoodwinked into parting with their hard earned and easy earned funds must be immense. I liken it to that derived by a sado-masochist watching pain on his partner's face and feeling some intense power from the pain thereof!

floriana:
@C Ronaldo
Hello my friend. you are obviously enjoying your discipleship of these gentlemen Men of Mammon. But we cant feel you. Why dont you just share your testimonies in specifcs? Tell us what and what these men of mammon have attracted to your life. Tell us how your finances have gotten better just by your financing their expensive lifestyle. Show us the corellation. I mean just supply the proof which even doubting Thomases cannot deny. But as long as you continue to eulogise these men just because of the great success they have recorded in psychological manipulation and hypnotism of people like you, and you continue to measure their annointing by the size of their followership, their bank account and your own 'wealth',  people will just not believe you. But I understand how you feel. Like a little child whose contaminated piece of cake was taken away by an informed adult and thrown into the thrash can.

Let me start by saying that all Glory belongs to our Lord Jesus Christ. It will be spiritual stupidity/ignorance to give glory to any man, pastor, evangelist,bishop,emam or whoever. The major impact that these Apostles of Faith make in the life of the people all over the world is through their teachings. For example, I learnt from Bishop David Oyedepo in 1997 how you can leave a holy life through hardworking. Talking about testimonies, I share this testimonies with all humility and with reference the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ who is the doer of great things. All glory be unto our Lord Jesus Christ who is the very source of my life, the reason for my living and the very secret of my success.  I was just an average student before I came in contact with the TEACHINGS of these Apostles of Faith and through their teachings, specifically one tape from Bishop David Oyedepo titled "I MUST WORK"  my academic destiny was turned around through the divine inspiration. I then graduated with First Class and as the overall best student in one of the topmost Federal University in Nigeria.  Following that I was awarded a very competitive scholarship for my MSc in UK when the university had already informed me that I was not successful, I switched on to the wonders on Praise as thought by Bishop Oyedepo and I miracoulosly received the award letter after the heavens had reversed the decision in my favour. When they were constructing Cannan Land, I worked there as Labourer carrying cement to earn some money in 1997 but today,still in my early 30, I have used my money to buy 3 cars with the 4th on the way (2 SUVs). I have visited 5 different continents in the last 3 years including US. Once again all glory be unto our Lord Jesus Christ for he is the doer while I'm just fortunate to be a receiver. People, I must tell you, when I was in secondary school, I never had ambition of even going into University but today, the story has changed. I contacted the truth in the word of God and the truth set me free and it will work for anybody for our God is not a respecter of person. What I have shared with you is just a fraction, I can write a book out the lord'd doing in my life.

I know you will still critize my testimonies despite the fact that you requested for it but our God is a faithful God. You may say people that don't go to church achieved similar feet but again maybe they are just brilliant but in my own case I was just an average village boy!  As many as believe in these testiminies, I advice you to key into the word, seek for the truth and God that did my own will surely do you own. As many as don't believe, may God continue to help you. It is only a fool that doubt proof. Take your destiny in your own hand! May the lord help and prosper you in all your ways. (AMEN) He is a Faithful God!

@uhonmora

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@c_ronaldo:
you're a classic example of those hoodwinked people who pastors make merchandise of. You rely on several stale cliché thinkin you're telling the truth.
I challenge you today to study your bible for yourself, especially the gospel of the new testament. See the lifestyles Jesus and his apostles portrayed to the people. They labored for the poor souls who wanted to receive eternal life and consistently warned them of people who subtly introduce heresies to make the gospel a means of material gain and what is this being blessed u talk about? Anyone who has a goal in life and consistly works hard to fulfill his goals will also b 'blessed'. Oyedepo, in my books, is one who knows how to craftily misuse God's word to achieve his selfish aims. I just pray that your eyes be open soon enough to realise all these.
[quote][/quote]If this is what you called "hoodwinking", may I continue to be hoodwinked like this. This hoodwinking is working for me, I have testimonies, I knew where I started from and where I am now, my faith is working and it is evident to everyone around me. It is only a fool that denies proof. Gone are the days when pastors say " Do as I say but not as I do" but I prefer the one that say " Do as I do as well as I say" The latter shows a tested and trusted approach.

Hey friends, it is great to be in Faith! You just can't understand, that is the difference.

Referring to Pastor E.A Adeboye and Bishop David Oyedepo as great apostles of Christ was not by mistake and nothing can change that opinion of mine. It is clear that most people on this forum knows little or nothing about the two great men of God and their ministry. I have been greatly blessed by their ministry and I just wonder how people can so ignorant about the truth.

My earlier response was not for everybody, those that need the message have already gotten it. Bible says You shall know the truth and the truth (which you know) shall make you free. The evidence of your knowledge of truth is in your freedom.

Let me also tell you that the more these Great Men of God are criticised, the higher they go. As I wrote earlier, the first time I read these OPINION of Pastor Bakare was in 1996 and you all know that God has done much greater exploits in their live and ministry in the last decade. The churches are waxing stronger in Faith. This is a pointer that the opinion of men do not necessarily mean the opinion of God. Men read newspaper while God reads the heart of Men. The truth cannot never be subdued no matter how! Like I said the evidence of your knowledge of the truth is not in how much scripture you can quote but in your freedom, your testimony. If you are still not free, you have not known the truth.

Again to the people that are still young in Faith like I was in 1996 when I first read these opinion of Pastor Bakare. I say to you again without any fear, be strong, keep following the truth and surely your testimonies will definately come. I believe in our lord Jesus Christ, his dead and his resurrection, I believe in his prophets, I believe in Miracle, I believe in the truth which is evident in my freedom, I believe in the mystery of the anointing oil, I believe in the use of mantle. Nothing can change my beileve and I have diverse of testimonies to backup my believe.

God bless you all

Having gone through the interview, I can't see any reason why people are raising such alarm on this forum. The truth is that most people on this forum have just heard what they had wanted to hear. There is nothing new in what Pastor. Bakare has just said. I have heard and read the same thing about Bishop David Oyedepo and Pastor E.A Adeboye since 1996 from the same Pastor Bakare.

It is not new that Pastor Tunde Bakare does not like anything about these two great apostle of Christ. The reason, I don't know. The summary of all he said about Bishop Oyedepo is that he doen't believe in Anointing Oil, Mantle and feet watching which is not a big deal but just his understanding of the scripture. I would also advice anyone that want to have an independent opinion about this to read the book that Pastor Tunde Bakare is condenming. I believe it is titled " THE MYSTERY OF THE ANOINTING OIL" Just open your mind and be independent while reading and look at the verses of the scriptures.

Issues he raised with Pastor E.A Adeboye seems to hinge on the fact that Pastor Bakare believes that he was the one that receive the vision for Redeem's growth. God is a faithful God and I believe he could also lead Pastor Bakare to grow his ministry much bigger than Redeem.

Everyone has freedom of speech and opinion and  anyone that is expecting a war of words will wait till eternity. I'm definitely sure that neither  Bishop Oyedepo nor Pastor Adeboye would  respond to all these. I must also tell you that this things are not new and it doen't signify any crisis in the body of Christ. If you are a Christian and after reading this, you Faith is shaking, I want to encourage you to see all these as part of the devices of the devil.  Now that your miracle is around the corner, don't be discourage.

Nothing is new under the heaven. Be strong and keep moving in Faith.

God Bless you all

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