achorladey: How can he even bring that nonsense that there was never conflict among Israelites. The book of Judges must have been rewritten by Jehovah's Witnesses
Well I don't expect anything less from that liar and manipulator called MaxInDHouse. Just to make that whitewashed religious organization of his look good on the outside, he will lie and manipulate the Bible including his religious organization publications to advance lies and manipulations.
The politics played after the death of Saul under the kingdom of David and the one that followed after the death David and Solomon are still the same politics being played nowadays. He wants to remain in his delusions of his GODS of men housed in USA.
MaxInDHouse: The lying is what you choose to do after seeing that you're wrong. You earlier said Rome wrote the New Testament but later you changed your mind after i've made matters clear. The ten northern tribes are called SAMARITANS that's why the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well told Jesus:
"You are not greater than our forefather Jacob, who gave us the well and who together with his sons and his cattle drank out of it, are you?” John 4:12
So get it straight Samaritans are the ten northern tribes of Israel that's why they hated Elijah because he kept telling them that they're wrong in opposing the Jews over worship but the Samaritans thought Elijah supposed to be on their side because Elijah himself is from Samaria by birth.
In the ninth year of Ho·sheʹa, the king of As·syrʹi·a captured Sa·marʹi·a. He then led the people of Israel into exile in As·syrʹi·a and made them dwell in Haʹlah and in Haʹbor at the river Goʹzan and in the cities of the Medes. 2Kings 17:6
Believe in God's word those references are from unbelievers who don't know what Bible really teach so they can't understand what really happened.
The same Assyrian King brought his army against the Jews to capture them as he did to the Samaritans who the Bible called Israel but in one night an angel from Jehovah killed 185,000 soldiers in his camp and that was the end of the syrian king and his dynasty. 2Kings 19:35
The Samaritans (Israel) thought they were the ones doing the fighting with their weapons not knowing that it was Jehovah who was fighting his own battle that's why the Assyrias captured them but Hezekiah the King of the Jews prayed to Jehovah and Isaiah told him that there's no need to fear because Jehovah is with the Jews that's why Sennacherib the king of Assyria failed with all his armies he taught it's just the weapons that will help him not knowing that it's about who is on the side of the true God.
So my friend in ancient times God's people go to war against people who thought since it's the same God who created all of us any side can win but they don't know that one with Jehovah is the majority! 2Kings 6:15-17
Today God is speaking to His worshipers through His only begotten Son {Hebrews 1:1-2} God's Son commanded his own disciples to be HARMLESS as DOVE {Matthew 10:16} that's why we no longer fight anymore!
Either you have totally lost it or you're lying as usual. I NEVER SAID ROME WROTE NT!! I said you might as well believe that like other conspiracy kooks SINCE you believe that Rome invented Islam!! All this copious writing is to LIE there was never conflict amongst God's chosen people, when in fact there was constant conflict. Absalom and his followers didn't stop being Jews just because he fought his father. Neither did Solomon stop being Jewish because he killed his brothers, nor did those who avenged their sister's rape, etc. Likewise, Israel didn't stop being Jews because they went to war with Judah. Neither did they stop being Jews after they were sacked by Assyria. Neither did Judah stop being Jews after they were sacked by Babylon. THE ONES WHO INTERMARRIED WITH GENTILES STOPPED BEING JEWS!! Get that into your head! Both Israel and Judah were Jews except those who intermarried with gentiles! I have a question 4 ya: was Christ harmless as a dove when He was flogging and chasing those selling and changing money in the temple?
Now back to your statement that started your LIE that there was never conflict amongst Israelites. Here it is again:
"I don't see deities that failed to maintain peace among their worshipers as real so my use of lower case is deliberate to shows that such deities are useless, helpless and hopeless."
lecowas: You see, u're totally missing the point here, argument about who is the last prophet between the duo stems from the belief that they both come from thesame God.
This assumption is outrightly false as they both clearly gave different commandments, do different things on earth and all sort. If they had come from same God, that would mean it's the God that is confused which is rather not the case.
Jesus said if you get slapped on the right cheek, turn the left. Jesus said he came because of the sinners, to help and rescue them from their sins(He said it is the sick(sinners) that need a doctor (prophet). Jesus said "love your enemies" just like God in heaven loves everyone and makes rain to fall and sun to shine upon everyone.
Mohammed said if you "eliminate" the infidels(kaffir), you're doing Allah's work and will be rewarded with 72 virgins. Mohammed said: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
Jesus ate and drank with the sinners and showed them love. Jesus loves them but hate their sins,spoke softly to them about the way to the only true God,the Father of all.
Mohammed said: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And this my friend, is exactly what the boko harams, isis , alqaeda, Hamas and many other groups are doing
Soo, how come of all the lands and people in the world, the two gods stem from the same Abraham and promise made to him? No, must be the same one God that dealt with Abraham. Islam and Judaism tend to be alike while Christianity is more humane, kinder, and less about laws and rituals, and more about empathy and humaity
Which prophet can be greater than the one who heralded the coming of God, yet he said he was not fit to untie His shoes.
Christ couldn't have been a prophet. Prophets don't: 1) Forgive sins 2) Say they are one with the father and once you've seen them you've seen the Father 3) Are not foretold 1000's of years b4 they come - as God comming to stay with us, and foretold to be named Emmanuel (God with us) 4) A mighty prophet (John the Baptist) does not say he's not fit to untie another prophet's shoes 5) Do not rise from dead after 3 days 6) Prophets die. Christ is alive
MaxInDHouse: After the Kingdom divided the northern ten tribes were called SAMARITANS while the two southern tribes are called JEWS. That's why Jesus answered the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well that God has being on the side of the Jews from the very moment the kingdom broke up into two! John 4:20-22
What do you gain by constantly lying just because of a meaningless argument on a faceless forum?? The Northern Kingdom was called ISRAEL!! It's all over the Bible and popular media. Samaria was not even founded till 50 years after the split. As for Samaritans, get some education below
Tayorshd87: This has caused a lot of speculations base on who was the last prophet to humanity . The Christians will say it's Jesus while the Muslims will say is prophet Muhammad and this has caused a lot in the Internet space for years until today there are valid evidence for the claims that truly prophet Muhammad is from Allah.
MaxInDHouse: Don't kill yourself with HBP whatever i say is backed up with the scriptures that's why you can't walk away because you know what i'm saying is TRUE!
You mean backed up by lies - adding and subtracting from the scriptures, which the Bible explicitly tells you NOT to do!
There is a difference between Israelites and worshipers of the true God.
All the descendants of Jacob are Israelites but worshipers of the true God are only those trusting in what His prophets say.
So if some Israelites turn against what God's prophet says such ones are no longer God's people. The people who perish with Korah in the wilderness were all Israelites yet Moses called down evil upon them. The 450 prophets of Baal that Elijah slaughtered were all Israelites.
So get things straight you need to know the difference not just concluding that God supports His worshipers killing themselves!
So when the Kingdom split and they were fighting each other, which side was God's people? What a deceitful LIAR!
MaxInDHouse: This is your first post on this thread so think over what Jesus said and stop this unbelief God's Kingdom is at hand, Jesus will destroy all those who failed to TRUST (BELIEVE) in him! John 3:16
I think you've become confused. They waged war amongst themselves with weapons! Have you forgotten what you wrote? Here it is again:
I don't see deities that failed to maintain peace among their worshipers as real so my use of lower case is deliberate to shows that such deities are useless, helpless and hopeless.
MaxInDHouse: YES! As the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} he has sent his subjects to declared what he will not tolerate in his kingdom so whoever disregard the message of peace must be exterminated! Luke 19:27
Exterminated by sword and division and strife? Educate us
MaxInDHouse: You're free to say whatever you like but one thing i told you is that God's qualities doesn't change it's His mode of operations that changes due to circumstances. He wanted to destroy Nineveh but changed His mind due to a reason but had it been they never repented you know what that means. So His predominant quality is LOVE {1John 4:8} as for WAR that's only against enemies of pure worship!
He's still at it instead of just being HONEST! Is Nineveh a quality of God?? One of the qualities or characteristics attributed to Jehovah is that He is a Man of war!
MaxInDHouse: Ọmọ it's lack of wisdom that's disturbing you.
When you see strangers with weapons in their hands standing and facing you what should you do? Well it means you should surrender or declare peace so that they drop their weapons.
When the Israelites came up against Jericho Rahab discovered they're coming to take over the land so she declared her support for God's will herself and her family were spared. Joshua 2:1-14
So by the time Israelites stood against Jericho with WEAPONS Rahab knew she's safe with all her families in the same city while all other inhabitants of Jericho will perish.
So the weapons in their hands is enough signal telling any wise individual that day that the same God who destroyed Pharaoh and all his armies in the red sea has come to destroy Jericho except whoever SURRENDERS will be spared!
My friend how many Jerichos were there? Israel FOUGHT countless battles WITH WEAPONS! The enemy didn't see them with weapons and know God was with them and surrendered! Stop LYING!
MaxInDHouse: Sorry o! He is not a blind fighter who kills without sense! Genesis 18:25
He totally misses the point. Point is, you said JW are reflecting His qualities, and one of those qualities is "Man of war". You first said it was spiritual, then your said unchanging God changed. Why not simply tell the TRUTH as is written in the Bible!
MaxInDHouse: I told you that the weapons in the hands of Israelites is for their enemies to know that their God has come to destroy the enemies. On their last day in Egypt God commanded them to dress up while eating the passover lamb with bitter leaves and sandals on their feet, they did just so. Of course that's not what they have to repeat elsewhere simply because they did it in Egypt nah!
So it's each circumstances with different orders today God's is speaking to His people by means of His only begotten Son {Hebrews 1:1-2} who ordered us to be HARMLESS AS DOVE! Matthew 10:16
So if they had no weapons the enemy won't know that their God has come to destroy the enemies? What you are doing is called Willful Lying!
MaxInDHouse: Wise as SERPENT means to be cunning so our enemies won't know our next line of action but yet we must be HARMLESS in whatever we resolve to do. Matthew 10:16
Do you get it now?
Get what? Did I tell you "wise as serpents" means "wage war"? Here's the meat of what I wrote. Address it:
Prince of Peace said verbatim he did not come to bring peace but a sword and have people turn against each other. So where's the peace in that? Good thing it never happened. If Muhammad had said that it would have made sense
MaxInDHouse: Jesus said his teachings will cause division in families {Matthew 10:34-39} but as for his own disciples we must be HARMLESS as dove! Matthew 10:16
And wise as serpents. You craftily left that out. Prince of Peace said verbatim he did not come to bring peace but a sword and have people turn against each other. So where's the peace in that? Good thing it never happened. If Muhammad had said that it would have made sense
MaxInDHouse: Is it weapons that defended them against the Egyptian army? Ọmọ when God issues orders it's what His people believe as the best defense not weapons!
Go and tell that to Jesus who told his disciples:
And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna. Matthew 10:28
So if you believe in weapons i'm not disputing where you put your trust but as God's people today our truth as in complete trust is in the orders we received from God's only begotten Son!
Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:39
My friend God could easily have told them NOT to carry weapons, He didn't! Just as He didnt strike Goliath dead and it took David with a weapon!
MaxInDHouse: His qualities will never change not operation in the Old Testament He demanded animal sacrifices but in the New Testament He stopped it. So it's his qualities that doesn't change.
His WITNESSES are those carrying out His orders which reflects His qualities not the same operation He used in times past so you can't go to Egypt today to cross the red sea the same way He did neither can you shout to destroy walls like He operated in Jericho.
So is the God of LOVE in support of war by His worshipers against His own worshipers?
BE HONEST. STOP LYING. Even Christ said he came so son will be against dad, daughter against mother, Nation rise against nation. It's a lie to come and say that's not what He said because it never happened. Just as that generation passed away without those things He mentioned happening
MaxInDHouse: His qualities will never change not operation in the Old Testament He demanded animal sacrifices but in the New Testament He stopped it. So it's his qualities that doesn't change.
His WITNESSES are those carrying out His orders which reflects His qualities not the same operation He used in times past so you can't go to Egypt today to cross the red sea the same way He did neither can you shout to destroy walls like He operated in Jericho.
So is the God of LOVE in support of war by His worshipers against His own worshipers?
And one of those qualities is "Man of war". And that changed! Animal sacrifice is not a quality, neither is crossing Red Sea nor Jericho. "Man of war" is a quality, a personal attribute
MaxInDHouse: Of course their weapons are to prove that they are God's people not their strength to win the battles that's why they are always scared until a prophet confirms that God is with them.
So today who is behind the wars your people are fighting today and against who?
Hope you're not thinking the same God is in support of His worshipers fighting and killing their fellow worshipers?
😅😆 "Their weapons are to prove that they are God's people" So the weapons were not to kill and defend themselves? Do you tell these LIES with a straight face??
My friend sometimes you either fight or die! Example, Muslims give you a choice: convert or be killed. No room for negotiations. You have only one real choice, the best choice, FIGHT!
MaxInDHouse: Israelites matched to the battle line because a prophet of God always affirm that Jehovah is in support but God's only begotten Son have said his own disciples must not raise weapons against anyone that's what disqualified Israel from being God's people today as they disagree with the orders from God's Son.
Meanwhile there is no time Israelites go to war without the support of their God because they will surely be defeated even by the smallest number of enemies so it's Jehovah Himself that is fighting His battle not Israelites!
What has any of this to do with the fact they were ordered to WAGE WAR, and wage it with weapons!
MaxInDHouse: Israelites matched to the battle line because a prophet of God always affirm that Jehovah is in support but God's only begotten Son have said his own disciples must not raise weapons against anyone that's what disqualified Israel from being God's people today as they disagree with the orders from God's Son.
Meanwhile there is no time Israelites go to war without the support of their God because they will surely be defeated even by the smallest number of enemies so it's Jehovah Himself that is fighting His battle not Israelites!
Soo, unchanging God CHANGED??
You wrote: JWITNESSES {Isaiah 43:10} are reflecting His qualities. Do u agree that one of the qualities attributed to Him was "Man of war" and how do you reflect that?
Another lie. Israelites fought amongst themselves too. Who authorized those?
MaxInDHouse: They were CARRYING OUT ORDERS from their God!
And was the order to WAGE WAR?! And were they carrying weapons? Or were they ordered not to carry weapons because they were JW and should not carry weapons?
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