₦airaland Forum

Nnamdipapa:
You are right. it is always good to migrate and return. For me, Lagos is still relatively safe in a gated community on the island and, I do not have to go to work. With my own online work, I have my own solar, home with no need to pay rent, earn dollars in Nigeria and still travel out occasionally. It beats living abroad anyday any time.

My previous experience before leaving Nigeria was stressful as I had to commute and work in a physical location, enter the traffic, earn in Naira.

Except when you need emergency medical care, justice from the courts, decent roads and infrastructure, and honesty from the Police!

Truthseeker10:
Point 1 and 2.
So explain John 1:18. Note: John 1:18 does not say that no one has seen the Father(liquid) but God(water) which is the same as Jesus(steam).

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?

Point 3.
Is the Holy spirit(block) the energy of God(water) or the Holy spirit(block) is God(water)?

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit(block) is visible because he manifest through dove but the father(liquid) is not visible Even though he too manifest through the Son(steam)?

Can you pleeeaasse stop with the DUMB, pretentious questions??

You've been told a million times that God is used interchangeably with the Father!
Of course you can't see God (the Father) BUT you can see God (the Son]. So anyone that says you can't see God is correct, AND anyone that says you can see God is also correct. Stop playing dumb!

The Holy Spirit is of course INVISIBLE like the Father but can manifest as visible just like the Father.
If you still don't get such simple concept, I give up!

Flangelo12:
He wants to fight Denmark for Greenland.



This joker.

Why not?
Who gave Greenland to Denmark? WHO??

Truthseeker10:
Let's leave the father(liquid) visibility issue aside.

I am concerned about John 1:18 with your water analogy.

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?


You said that there is Only one invisible God(father(liquid))... Is the Holy spirit(block) visible since he is The same as God(water)?

You are pretending not to understand, I don't know who you trying to fool.
Simple:
1) You can't directly see the Father (God)
2) But you can directly see Christ (equally God) and therefore you're indirectly seeing the Father (same God)
3) The Holy Spirit is God's energy and can manifest as a dove, fire, etc

Any more rather dumb questions?

Truthseeker10:
You are the one disturbing yourself by talking about the Father(liquid).

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?

Explain John 1:18 oo with your water analogy.

If there is Only one invisible God(father(liquid))... Is the Holy spirit(block) visible since he is The same as God(water)?

OK, for the last time, patiently and honestly:

The Father CANNOT be seen DIRECTLY while alive.
BUT he can be seen INDIRECTLY in Jesus while alive.
See how simple that is?

Truthseeker10:
Ah....so the visible Jesus(steam) that came to earth that people saw is not God(water)?

If the Father(liquid) was the one that manifested as a Visible Son(steam) on earth, how can John 1:18 say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime?

Quit already. You're now sounding retarded (with all respect).
You can only see the Father directly after death. Before that you can only see him in Christ

NOETHNICITY:
You said they harass everyone and that’s a BIG FAT LIE.

I live in Lagos and I drive standard beautiful car, and I have never been harassed

I never said they harras everybody. I even said you are a nonentity, why they won't harras you.
I did however say they are FANTASTICALLY CORRUPT!

gohf:
You know I added you need to ask God for wisdom but I removed it, but honestly and seriously you need it

I'm sure now you get it. Just trying to save face.
Case closed

Truthseeker10:
Ok.

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?

Truthseeker10:
Ok oo...but did people see God(water) when Jesus(steam) was on earth? If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?

Anybody reading this can now see you're going around in circles..
Simple:
There's only ONE invisible God (Father) manifestable as a visible Son. Directly visible to us only after death

NOETHNICITY:
We know your types who believe that by exaggerating Nigeria’s problems you stand a chance of getting a visa!!!

Are you saying NPF is NOT fantastically corrupt?

Truthseeker10:
So if living people could not see the Father(liquid) directly according to your explanation, did Living people see Jesus(steam)? If yes, how can John 1:18 say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) himself is the same as God(water)?

Jesus is NOT the Father. That ought settle that

Truthseeker10:
So if living people could not see the Father(liquid) directly according to your explanation, did Living people see Jesus(steam)? If yes, how can John 1:18 say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) himself is the same as God(water)?

You've already been told the answer. Stop playing.
No living person can see the Father directly. Jesus is NOT the Father but a manifestation

Truthseeker10:
Ahh....so Jesus was talking to dead people in John 14:9? Na wa oo🤣🤣🤣🤣

Stop playing. They were not seeing the Father directly.
You and the other guy lost the argument. And deservedly so because I am saying the TRUTH - with no agenda or alliance with anybody

Truthseeker10:
I never said water and liquid cannot be used interchangeably. Even steam and block can be used interchangeably with God according to your explanation.

You said the Father(liquid) is a manifestation of the Son(steam). You quoted John 14:9 to show that the father(liquid) manifested In the Son(steam) so how can John 1:18 be correct to say that no man has seen God(water) or Father(liquid) at anytime?

Geez! Why you choose to complicate something so simple:
As a living human, you can’t see the Father EXCEPT as a manifestation of the Son. We pure in heart will see the Father directly AFTER death!

Truthseeker10:
Humans can't see the Father(liquid) except as a manifestation of the Son(steam). You quoted John 14:9 to show that the father(liquid) manifested In the Son(steam) so how can John 1:18 be correct to say that no man has seen God(water) or Father(liquid) at anytime?

Let's see who is confused.

You'd stop being confused if you stop pretending like you don't know God and the Father are used interchangeably: "liquid" and "water" are used interchangeably

Truthseeker10:
Don't be tired of your analogy oo...it has helped me understand this your trinity better.

Humans can't see the Father(liquid) except as a manifestation of the Son(steam). You quoted John 14:9 to show that the father(liquid) manifested In the Son(steam) so how can John 1:18 be correct to say that no man has seen God(water) or Father(liquid) at anytime?

You keep pretending like you don't know God and the Father are used interchangeably - "liquid" and "water" are used interchangeably

gohf:
so when God created and made the world and the animals, he needed a wife?

Now you beginning to get it. There was only God, and any "son" is also him

Truthseeker10:
Ahhh....so the father(liquid) manifested In Jesus(steam) and people saw him according to john 14:9 and John 1:18 says that no one has seen God(water) at anytime? Is that not a contradiction?

You're beginning to confuse yourself. Something that is very simple - you can't see the Father except as manifested in the Son

APOPTOSIS:
Before Nigeria will be absorbed it has to stop being destructive and lawless.
There is no place on earth that has not got a stream of lawlessness but in Nigeria it's overwhelming and enthroned.

People are never held accountable for anything in Nigeria. Lawlessness is just the order of the day. A country that threatens businesses is not worth incorporating.

I guess we're stuck. I'd still suggest we give it a shot - ask him nicely, throwing in some incentives, maybe he'd absorb us

gohf:
and yet Jesus said blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God

See the Father AFTER they die

Truthseeker10:
Ok....so are we allowed to say the 'God'(water) in John 1:18 also belongs to Jesus(steam) and the Holy Spirit(block) that no one has seen? Would that not be wrong since people actually saw Jesus(steam)?

I don't know why you've become obsessed with this water analogy which I used fleetingly
Simple: Humans can't see the Father except as a manifestation (the Son)

gohf:
which one is what is he? Is he an animal place or thing?

Who is he? Christ is Jesus our Lord, who came in the flesh, lived and died for those who believe and obey God that they will have eternal life and rose from the dead with his body and is at the right hand of God interceding for us and has sent his Holy Spirit to us, after teaching God's word to the apostles and followers for many year. He is the son of man prophecied in scripture and the son of God who is coming back after the antichrist has been revealed to establish the millennial kingdom before eternity begins.

Can't you see he can ONLY be God. God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

Truthseeker10:
So how can you now merge this John 14:9 with John 1:18 that says that no one has seen 'God' na? Explain oo.

See my previous answer. The Father is unseeable except as a manifestation (the Son)

Truthseeker10:
Ah....did the verse say that no one has seen the 'Father'(liquid) or it says no one has seen 'God'(water)?

You are now playing. The Bible obviously uses the Father and God interchangeably. Jesus did it all the time

gohf:
ah no this has to be banned 😲

I recall someone using this same water steam ice logic for me, like I didn't do science.

I doubt they agree which one is supposed to represent God whether it is steam or ice

but the point is when the state of water changes, it STOPS being water. This is basic common logic

Even in animation, comics and manga, sci-fi none of them mistake water attributes or abilities for ice.

It's because of people like this men think believing God will make them stupid

OK, if Christ is not God, what is he?

APOPTOSIS:
Who associates with a failure?
Even Fathers rebuke a deviant Child and finally disown them.

Even if we SINCERELY beg?
He doesn't have to go to war as in others. We'd even pay him - give him a little something to take us

UncleAyo:
All these fake imported religions have destroyed the normal mental processes of a lot of our people.

If you are following any of the two religion, you should know for fact that:

There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no God (or god), there is no Allah, there are no angels, there are no demons, there are no spirits, there is no life after death, juju don't work, there is no eternal judgment, there is no karma, there was no historical Jesus. All those are figment of human imaginations and tools use by a very few some to control the very many others. The earlier you understand and accept these facts as facts, the happier and merrier your life and existence will be.

The religion you're currently claiming is the religion of your parents, if you were born into a different family of another religion (say Hinduism), that is the exact religion you will practice.

You were born without a religion in you, your factory reset has no religion in it. If you were to be a phone and they do factory reset on you today being a phone, there will not be anything found related to religion in your settings, files and file systems anymore; you learn religion only after your birth growing up.


Islam is idolatry and paganism, Christianity aswell is idolatry - All the world religion is idolatry, including all the Abrahamic religion. Holy communion is idolatory, bowing for a stone call Kaaba of the Bedouin tribes is also idolatory, killing of rams is idolatory, kissing or licking of a stone at mecca is idolatory, throwing of stone at pilgrimage is idolatory too.

Infact, Illah is what the Arabic call God and not Allah (the moon god). Allah was one of the diety been worshiped before the invention of Islam. That is why muslims will say something like "la ilah ila huwa" meaning Allah is one Illah (God). Have you ask yourself why Prophet Mohammed's father who was an idol worshiper and who lived before the invention of islam has Allah in is name Abdullai== Abdu Allah? It is because Allah has been an idol worshiped by paganists before the Prophet received his revelations.

All Abrahamic religion are idolatory, they only package them well and condemn your heritage as evil, whereas, Nigeria was better in terms of morality, honesty and integrity before they brought the foreign religions.

In peace loving, emotional intelligence, love for neighbor, respect for sanctity of life, we are even better than those who brought those religion with primitive leaders whose morality and characters are highly questionable.

You can say this ONLY because you are free of spiritual attacks. Those troubled by attacks or demons know what name keeps them abbey, what name they fear and what orders they obey. These things are very real to these people. It's almost as if we humans live in different universes though physically in same universe.

Nigerian religions were bloody, cruel, and dirty. Be honest

oluxy:
And penalty for leaving Christianity is just CHOICE.

There is no penalty. You just stop going or you may choose to announce to everyone that you're now a Muslim. NOTHING will happen to you. Guaranteed

Truthseeker10:
I love your water analogy.

If water=God
Liquid=water.
Steam=water.
Block=water.

Let's say liquid = father, steam= Son, block= Holy spirit.

If I see Jesus(steam), can I say that I have not seen water(God) just because I did not see liquid(father)?

That is exactly what John 1:18 is saying. The verse says no man has seen God(water) at anytime not liquid(father). So how can that verse ever be correct when it says that no one has seen water(God) at anytime when people actually saw steam(Jesus) which is also water(God)?

The verse is obviously referring to the Father who is unseeable

Truthseeker10:
So the personhoods are not the same right? If yes, it clearly means that they are separate because when people saw Jesus, they were not seeing the Father. Do you agree?

I'll stay out of it (my knowledge is limited) and let Jesus Himself answer you:

John 14:9: “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
In this passage, Philip asks Jesus to show them the Father, and Jesus responds that seeing him is the same as seeing the Father. Jesus also explains that he and the Father are one, and that the words he speaks come from the Father.

Truthseeker10:
So is Jesus seperate from the Father since he is not the Father?

You are just trying to be smart instead of being honest. You already instinctively know what it is.
Christ can't be anything but God (God doesn'thave sons - otherwise you'd have to talk of mother, uncle, etc), but a manifestation that's different from the Father. They share the same divine nature and are considered one God, but with distinct "personhoods"

GothamCities:
As I said, my sister, we know God's qualities from studying the scriptures. Most times, not by direct quotes. You know, it's a kind of knowledge that comes through relationship. Studying the scriptures is one way of relating with God.

Here are some scriptures that suggest God's omniscience.

Psalm 139:1-6 (NIV)
1. You have searched me, Lord, and you know me.
2. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways.
4. Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.
5. You hem me in behind and before, and you lay your hand upon me.
6. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain.

Isaiah 46:9-10 (NIV)
9. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
10. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’

1 John 3:20 (NIV)
20. For whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

But nowhere does it say it. God is God because He is eternal and everything is from Him. His Godship is NOT dependent on his knowing everything every moment or his knowing time of second coming!