Nigerians are naturally very destructive. . .

Martinez39:
For this reason, I brand them the defenders of god.

They're actually the God they believe in and worship because God only and idea exist inside their minds. .

Christians always speaking and making ridiculous excuses for their imaginary God. .

The most corrupt government institution I Nigeria is NNPC.

Ihedinobi3:

Well, this is not worth a response. I have no idea how even the arguments about the shape of the earth that are present even on this platform can lead anyone to the conclusion you made. I won't even bother to comment on the others.

I am leaving the conversation now, dalaman.

Leave, when you and other Christians that claim you have those elusive and lie lie holy spirit agree on whether Jesus is the same person as God or a distinct person from God you can let us know. . .So far all you keep telling and showing is is that Christianity and all its claims are lies when examined closely.

Ihedinobi3:

I suppose that is true of everything else then. If the earth is truly round, then it would be self-evident and its truth will be universal and the same for everyone who sees and reads about it. But since it's a lie, it is what it is and what we have...

If string theory is true, it will be self-evident, and its truth will be universal...and so on...

If atheism is true, it will be self-evident, and its truth will be universal and the same for everyone..... etc.

You get the idea...right? Because I'm not sure that you will.

The earth is round to all those that have looked at it and the evidence, string theory is true and accepted by all physicists, all atheist do not believe in God. .

The bible is not self evident to all Christians, they all do NOT see it the same way. . Most Christians disagree with each other when it comes to the bible, they interprete it differently. . .There's no book that has brought as much confusion to those that believe in it like the bible, on every issue Christians are divided yet they claim there's this holy spirit that guides them and they all lay claims to it. That is enough to show you that there is NO holy spirit that guides them and the bible is a lie. . .If there's a holy spirit that guides Christians there won't be so much disagreement and division. Christians keep making claims and telling lies. Even the bible is a lie because it keeps making empty claims but as usual you tell lies while keep showing that the Bible is empty and does no real work in reality.

Ihedinobi3:

You have a difficulty showing how these claims you made mean that the Bible is a lie?

If the bible is true it will be self evident and it's truth will be universal and the same for everybody that sees or reads it. . But since it's a lie it is what it is and what we have. .

Ihedinobi3:

And this makes the Bible a lie how exactly?

What is the biblical position? YEC or OEC? Which is the biblical position? To tithe or not to tithe?

Ihedinobi3:

Let me get this straight:

The Bible is a lie because Christians claim that the Holy Spirit is their guide?

Please, explain how one thing leads to the other.

The YEC and OEC all claim to get their inspiration from the holy spirit. Catholics and protestants also all make the same claim. . But they teach opposing things. .

Ihedinobi3:

As I have told you before when you made this objection (further proof of your true lack of interest in anything the Bible has to say), the Bible says also that the Holy Spirit has given some believers to be pastor-teachers for the edification or building up of their brothers and sisters in the Faith. So, it is still the Holy Spirit Who is teaching through gifted and prepared Bible teachers.

This further proves that everything inside the bible is a lie since every Christian lays claim to the holy spirit as his guide. Look at chriet8naity today. Is there any body that is as divided as Christians? Your division is so much that is the same as those practicing different religions, yet you all lay claim to this elusive holy spirit. . .

Ihedinobi3:

I always answer biblical questions asked by anyone for the sake of other believers. I already told you that. Means nothing to me what you personally think of the Bible.

But the bible says that people should call unto the holy spirit for more understanding. It doesn't mention your name anywhere. So how are you the one telling other believers what to believe?

Ihedinobi3:

Why did He have to say it in that verse? If He went on to say it in the next chapter, and if the entire Bible teaches it, why is that not enough? You're a very funny person, do you make this same demand of every single thing you read or study?

I don't care what you think of Christianity, dalaman... Not that that would stop you from sharing your ill-educated opinions anyway, but you seem to think that it matters to me for some reason.

You don't care what I feel about Christianity but you can't help it but keep telling me what your opinion of what the Bible says . You are a very funny person.

So those People that gathered to pray for God to deal with Boko Haram but were attacked by the Boko Haram people instead were all praying not according to your God's will abi? Continue telling us why Christianity is empty fables and lies. . We are listening. .

Ihedinobi3:

It seems to me as if you consider these discussions an opportunity to play whack-a-mole. You attack the Bible on one point, fail, and promptly attack it on another. It's exactly like throwing everything at the wall in the hope that something sticks.

Regarding John 14:13, see also John 15:7, 1 John 5:14, and James 3:2. Only what is asked according to the Will of God is given to us. We are all sinners, and we all stumble a lot, as James 3:2 teaches, so our prayers are not always according to the Will of God, therefore, they are not always granted.

Pick another mole to whack. Maybe you'll actually make a hit.

Jesus didn't mention God's will in the verse, but even at that, we know what God's will is according to the bible.God's will is stated and his will is that his children should prosper.

When the bible fails as always you find excuses.

So those that gathered to pray for God to destroy Boko Haram but ended up being attacked by Boko Haram weren't praying according to your God's will abi? So it was your God's will that they should be attacked that's why he didn't answer them, eh? Keep telling us why Christianity is just empty fables that does no real work in reality only lies ,self deceit and delusion. .

Ihedinobi3:

Now he is also teaching me the Bible!

Dalaman, it's entirely your business what you want to believe. I am not responsible for that, only for proclaiming the Truth where I can meaningfully.

You can believe that the Lord was promising that we would all heal the sick, raise the dead etc, just as you can believe in the Yeti and pie in the sky exactly as you please. It's not my problem. My concern is that you are telling a lie. The Lord promised that believers in Him will do greater things than He did. Nowhere did He define those greater things in terms of the signs and wonders that He did. The rest of the Bible teaches that the conversion of one sinner to the righteousness of Jesus Christ is a miracle that Heaven itself rejoices at. Why then should I believe the lies that you tell?

If the Jesus says a you will come and say B because you know that the Jesus was telling lies. . There are many other things and promises Jesus made to you that are also false. They are demonstrably false for example:

"And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son".John 14:13

Here Jesus is telling those of you that whatever you ask in his name he will do it. . .But we know that it is a lie, you ask many things in his name and nothing gets done, Christians gathered in his name to pray for Boko Haram in 2014 and shortly they were attacked by the same boko Haram and killed in large numbers. The bible is demonstrably false and all the promise of Jesus answering your prayers if you ask him for things is all a lie. But then once it fails as it always does you cone up with other ridiculous excuses and change what was written and promise. You can only keep telling lies to yourselves. .

Ihedinobi3:

Jesus never promised that we will all be able to do the pyrotechnic miracles that He did. He did promise that we would all do greater things than what He did.

The apostles and special messengers that managed the transition from the Israel Age to the Church Age all did astounding miracles. But all of us believers do something far more jaw-dropping: we dispense the Gospel through which human beings are rescued from eternal condemnation and brought into God's Kingdom as His citizens and legitimate children. There is no miracle greater.

Jesus said those that believe in him will do greater things than him. Those that believe he said.
But we know it's not true, you haven't done anything greater than what Jesus did and you can't do it because it is a lie. Jesus was specifically talking about his miraculous ability when he stated it, he then promised those that believe in him the ability to do greater things. You can't do any because it is a lie . Now you are now trying to say that preaching the gospel is greater than all of Jesus miracles. . The apostles all did astounding miracles in mythical stories not in reality. In reality no Christian can ever do what Jesus promised them despite all their belief.

Ihedinobi3:

Feel free to rinse and repeat. Maybe if you say it a little louder a few more times, it'll magically become true.

It has nothing to do with magicand it is very true. You can't do any of the things Jesus promised you the ability to do because the promise is fictional. It is a lie. . .

OpenYourEyes1:


Dear truth teller, why not post the part he mentioned the earth was a sphere.

Moses wrote the book of job according to Jews

Moses wrote the book of Job? Well done. . .

OpenYourEyes1:


Well, according to the Internet, Anaximander thought the earth was shaped like a drum.
Erastothenes didn't say much about Earth shape.

By the way, book of job was written before both men were born.

Stop telling lies, he was the first person to claim that the earth was a sphere. .

He existed in the 4-5 century BC, book of Job was written BTW 6-7th century BC. .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaximander

Ihedinobi3:

Of course, everybody does. That is the point. The existence of God is never really in question, nor is the veracity of the Bible which is His Own Testimony.

God is only an idea, perception, conception and belief. Gods don't exist in reality. The writers of the bible and the concept of God they imagined are your God in reality. . .You can't point to any God but you can always point to the fables they wrote down.

Why would it be difficult to believe that a God Who can create such a wondrous Universe could also give animals the faculty of speech? Or that such a God can sustain physical life in some of His Own Creatures for that long? Or that He can raise the dead? Or that He can stop the natural motion of the Universe at will? Or that He can populate the entire world in 4000 years from a family of 8? Why would any of that be hard for God?

What would be the alternative explanation for such things? When scientists spend ages teaching apes to talk and solve simple problems, and in fact succeed to some extent, why do you find that more believable considering the glaring limitations of the human nature than for a God? In fact, why is it a surprise that an animal had faculty of speech when human beings who, according to certain evolutionary ideas, are mere animals themselves not only possess the faculty of speech but also speak a staggering number of highly complex languages? Isn't the latter more incredulous than a talking snake? How do you explain it without telling fairy tales yourself?

I'm not about to get into another round of absurdities with you, dalaman. As I said, there is no choice when I have to choose between believing the Bible and believing you. You don't even begin to deserve audience, much less the benefit of the doubt.

Because it's fictional, there is reality and there is fiction. All those things written inside the bible are fictional. They aren't real, they are no different from Superman stories because in the book of superman we have superman flying like a bird once he puts on his super man clothes, he stops airplanes, carries or uproot very tall building etc. These things only happen in the world of fiction and not in reality. I've a leads told you that it's is demonstrably false. Jesus in the bible promised you the ability to do greater things than he did, he went about raising people that died for days and bringing them back to life, he walked on water and calmed storms, he turned water into wine, healed amutes etc and promised you the ability to do greater than all what he allegely did if ONLY you believe in him. You seriously believe in him yet you can't do any of the things written about him because the promise is fictional and a lie. That it was written doesn't make it true, it only means it's fictional and a lie. Your inability to do anything that Jesus was said to have done despite him promising you says that it is a lie. You only believe in fiction, you are no different from kids that believe superman is real. . .

OpenYourEyes1:


Name the people

"Anaximander was the first recorded person to suggest the Earth is a sphere. Erastothenes basically worked out the circumference. It was proven 1800 years later by Magellan's voyage".

OpenYourEyes1:


So what is the better words for "sun rise and sun set" then?

Are you aware our modern text books still use sun rise and sun set despite knowing the sun doesn't move around the earth?

Didn't you see where it says hurries back to where it rises?

OpenYourEyes1:


Bible prophets wrote that the earth is round and float in space thousands of years before modern astronomers discovered this truth.

Whereas Hindu believed the earth sits on top of elephants/tortoise.

The same bible writers believe that the sun moves round the earth. . .

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises". Ecclesiastes 1:5

Ihedinobi3:

What evidence is lacking here? Is it the universe itself, your moral conscience, or death that is lacking? Do you know of any human being that has escaped dying?

Every body knows these facts, long before the bible was written people knew about all these facts because they are self evident. You believe when the bible tells you about talking snakes, people living for over 900 years, dead people resurrecting back to life, the Israelites being enslaved in Egypt, Sun standing still, the whole world being populated by Noah's family after the mythical flood that destroyed the earth about 4600 year ago, you believe all these fables without any evidence at all . .

OpenYourEyes1:


What other ancient religious books aside the Bible accurately wrote about the shape of the earth and its position.?

People knew that the earth was a sphere long before the bible was written. Go and get some education.

Ihedinobi3:

You have spoken with me a few times now. I would expect you to know that I would never take your word for the claims you make against the Bible. I don't consider you enough of an authority to accept whatever you say just because you say it.

But you accept the fables written inside the bible without any evidence abi?

Just saw it.

Ihedinobi3:

It's a Hebrew word with a meaning. "Adhamah" is a different but related word. Here's one source:

Moreover, the latter's Hebrew equivalent is the `odem (אודם), whose similarity to the name "Adam" is not coincidental (אדם, `adham).(25) For the name "Adam" means "ruddy" and refers to the earth-tone color of the first man whose body was taken directly from the earth.
- Professor Robert Luginbill (https://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm)

Where does it say that Adam is red? The color of the ground isn't red, it varies from brown, to red, to.black depending on the location of where the sand was tipped. No where is red mentioned anywhere here.

It says

"According to Genesis in the Old Testament Adam was created from the earth by God (there is a word play on Hebrew אֲדָמָה ('adamah) meaning "earth"".

I didn't see red anywhere.

Ihedinobi3:

What are you talking about, dalaman? Is it the science fiction built around ancient fossils found in Africa?

Nope not science fiction but history. Adam and Even isn't the first story that talks about a man and woman as the first people. The Sumerians wrote the story before the Jews plagiarized it. Adam and Eve date to about 6000 years old, humanbeings have been living on earth for much more than that. . .Adam and Eve is Hebrew mythology.

As for when Genesis was written, it's obvious. Moses had just led Israel out of Egypt where Africans in Egypt had oppressed them for hundreds of years, so people clearly existed already. But Adam and Eve were not therefore a myth. You might want them to be but wanting something does not the thing make.

The Exodus is non historical. It has no historical backing and only appears inside the biblical fables. The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt during the time the bible said they were enslaved there.

Adam and Even are no different from the Yoruba myth of Oduduwa or Chinese mythology of Panku or the Sumerian myth of the Enki and his wife.

No matter how you want the Hebrew fables to be true it will never be. It is empty mythology. I saw you trying to bend science dishonestly to agree with the empty ancient Hebrew fable.

Ihedinobi3:

Because that was what he was called?

Who called Adam red ? You and your lies?

"Hebrew noun ha adamah meaning "the ground" or "earth". Its Quranic and Biblical usage has ensured that it is also a common name in all countries which draw on these traditions.
Adam (given name) - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_(given_name)

Ihedinobi3:

Because they were not Chinese or any other race?

Simple genetics will teach you that each successive generation has a combination of genes derived from their parents which manifests itself phenotypically in different ways. So, tall parents may have short children because those children inherited genes that contain information to that effect because the parents inherited them from their own parents. The reverse is also true.

If Adam and Eve were the first humans, then they possessed all the genetic information that resulted in the different appearances that we see in their children even if they themselves looked completely different from those children. Adam was red in color, for example. It is possible that Eve was the same.

Every child inherits half of their parent's combined genetic pool scrambled in a way unique to that child. So, each of Adam's and Eve's direct children inherited half of their parents' gene pool. Each half was scrambled in a unique way so that although the full gene pool may be preserved in the next generation, there are no two similar halves. The grandchildren then are likely to inherit genes that make them phenotypically different in some way from their grandparents, and on and on.

In other words, Adam and Eve can be the source of Asian, African, European and Indian features even without having any of them.

Must you always tell lies? If you don't known things just say you don't know instead of making lies up. Adam and Eve are Hebrew mythical figures that allegedly lived about 6000 years ago. People were already living in Africa and other parts of the world before the Hebrews wrote down their Adam and Eve mythology. . .

Ihedinobi3:

Adam means red.

Adam.means red according to who? You?

Image123:


Lol, no worries, i was obviously just kidding, satire and imagery things. But really, one would not expect your omnisciences to spend all your life on religion section blabbing to people who cannot handle the high level of intelligence you have? Well what do i know.

You know nothing but how to tell lies and make claims people did not make. . .